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Watching Dallas and contrasting with the Giants

Paulie Walnuts : 12/3/2021 9:46 am
Dallas has drafted far better over the last 10 years

than the Giants
Jerrys Kid took the keys away from Jerrah when Jerrah was gonna draft Johnny Football and it shows. Their talent on both sides of the ball is far superior

Their lines, their receivers and TE's
Their defense was their weakness, and so they built into a strength.
Personally I think they should be running away with the NFC East, which makes me sick


Name me ONE Giant player Dallas would swap out with us ? Maybe Andrew Thomas? Williams?

Giants need a complete new draft and scouting team or the suck will continue for the rest of my lifetime

Someone needs to take the Keys away from John and Chris and take them now.
they would probably want our secondary  
Platos : 12/3/2021 10:34 am : link
INTs be damned, those guys suck.
Dallas is overrated.  
Essex : 12/3/2021 10:35 am : link
They were awful against a terrible Saints team. They had lost 3 of 4 etc. They are better than us, but this is far from a contender, imo.
Dallas' biggest difference is still Tyron Smith and Zack Martin  
Eric on Li : 12/3/2021 10:38 am : link
when the OL is on it's game their playmakers light it up. When it's not like last night, their running game is middling other than the occasional big play from Pollard and Dak will make some mistakes.

their defense has played a nice complementary style since Marinelli - they go for big plays and when the offense is ahead they get them.

but they are as ever a sloppy team which is why they have typically failed in big games.
their defense  
Ron Johnson : 12/3/2021 10:39 am : link
is not a strength. David Carr mopped the floor with them.
RE: their defense  
Angel Eyes : 12/3/2021 10:39 am : link
In comment 15477913 Ron Johnson said:
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is not a strength. David Carr mopped the floor with them.

I think you mean Derek.
Dallas?  
Mdgiantsfan : 12/3/2021 10:52 am : link
Why would you use a team that only has 2 playoff wins and the past 10 years to compare?
They remind me of some of the Giants  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/3/2021 11:11 am : link
Teams from 2005-12 . Two big problems. They don’t a Eli or TC to close imo. I also think they a couple champion warrior types.

Good news is the probably start tracking down after this year.
you can tell from all the Lombardi trophies they've won  
Victor in CT : 12/3/2021 11:15 am : link
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A little luck too  
rasbutant : 12/3/2021 11:18 am : link
Finding Dak in the late rounds.

Ceedee Lamb and guy I had in the top 5-7 range falling to them.

L Collin a projected 1st rounder, they get him as a UDFA.
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broadbandz : 12/3/2021 11:19 am : link
Of all teams you pick Dallas to fawn over? Their talent is marginal. Lamb drops passes when it matters. Wake me up when they when a meaningful playoff game.
RE: you can tell from all the Lombardi trophies they've won  
Paulie Walnuts : 12/3/2021 11:21 am : link
In comment 15477954 Victor in CT said:
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Victor Im talking about this years team, we havent been relevant for over 10 years

Mccarthy sucks also

But I'd rather have their front 7 and Offense than Ours right now
RE: RE: you can tell from all the Lombardi trophies they've won  
Victor in CT : 12/3/2021 11:25 am : link
In comment 15477964 Paulie Walnuts said:
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In comment 15477954 Victor in CT said:


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Victor Im talking about this years team, we havent been relevant for over 10 years

Mccarthy sucks also

But I'd rather have their front 7 and Offense than Ours right now


can't argue with most of that, especially with the OL
they do draft well  
nyfootballfan : 12/3/2021 11:47 am : link
somewhat like the old raiders, but they are not coached nearly as well. players know the hc is not the boss.
Dallas drafts very well  
M.S. : 12/3/2021 12:00 pm : link

giANTS draft very poorly.
Wondering what this narrative does to those who  
3putt : 12/3/2021 12:05 pm : link
complain about nepotism in the NFL.
RE: Wondering what this narrative does to those who  
Paulie Walnuts : 12/3/2021 12:06 pm : link
In comment 15478030 3putt said:
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complain about nepotism in the NFL.
Nice Handle no jinx please, playing latter
RE: Dallas is overrated.  
santacruzom : 12/3/2021 12:08 pm : link
In comment 15477908 Essex said:
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They were awful against a terrible Saints team. They had lost 3 of 4 etc. They are better than us, but this is far from a contender, imo.


It's a sad state of affairs when a team can simultaneously be far from a contender AND far better than us :(
one thing that org doesn't do well  
santacruzom : 12/3/2021 12:10 pm : link
Find coaches worthy of their talent. I wonder if Jones simply doesn't want to be upstaged by them.

McCarthy can't help but win a handful of games with that squad and look better than he is but I'd be extremely wary of him come playoff time if I were a Cowboys fan.
Comparing OL's  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/3/2021 12:18 pm : link
Dallas
Smith (1R,2011) McGovern (3R, 2019), Biadasz (4R, 2020), Martin (1R, 2014) Steele (UDFA, 2020)

They hit on the draft picks. Have two huge parts still playing at a high level but breaking down. Then they built the rest from round 3 and later.

I find this amongst the biggest differences in comparing the teams. Dallas players have stayed healthy and some of picks just were better players.

We have AT (1), SL (5th), Gates (UDFA) WH (3), Peart (3).

I hope our game with them in December is still relevant  
Batenhorst7 : 12/3/2021 12:32 pm : link
And I hope we blow their doors off and hit DAK all game long

Revenge would be very very SWEET
I feel badly for the Saints...  
Dnew15 : 12/3/2021 12:40 pm : link
they are a QB away from being a legit team.

I would love to see what Daniel Jones would do with the Saints.

I"m saying he'd be a superstar or the bust he has become with the Giants...but I'd like to see what happens.

*not  
Dnew15 : 12/3/2021 12:40 pm : link
oops
RE: I feel badly for the Saints...  
Mike in NY : 12/3/2021 12:57 pm : link
In comment 15478091 Dnew15 said:
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they are a QB away from being a legit team.

I would love to see what Daniel Jones would do with the Saints.

I"m saying he'd be a superstar or the bust he has become with the Giants...but I'd like to see what happens.


Cap room prevented them from having a legit QB when Brees retired and Michael Thomas became a flake. I think if any coach can maximize whatever potential Jones has it is Sean Payton.
Watch for the Saints being very aggressive in the draft  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/3/2021 1:01 pm : link
if SP likes any of the QB's. Can't see him relying on Winston and I doubt he wants to go through another season with uncertainty at the position.
dallas doesn't give a flying fuck  
djm : 12/3/2021 2:56 pm : link
about player reputations or locker room garbage or any of that crap. They just sit there every april and let the most talented players fall to them and gladly scoop them up. Parsons is known as a little nuts? Thanks. Zeke? Yep...thanks again.

It's all bullshit. Draft scared and for need and you have what you have here in NY.

I will never forgive Dg for allowing Parsons to go to Dallas. Fuck him. "Parsons not on NYG's radar' will haunt me and every NYG fan for the next 10 years. Parsons is so good it's fucking scary. I want to vomit. Oh we have next year's first? Big fucking deal.

If we had Parsons, we'd be a playoff team THIS year.
RE: Dallas is overrated.  
djm : 12/3/2021 3:01 pm : link
In comment 15477908 Essex said:
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They were awful against a terrible Saints team. They had lost 3 of 4 etc. They are better than us, but this is far from a contender, imo.


They shouldn't be this good on defense but one great player here and one opportunistic player like Diggs there, and you have a D playing as well as anyone could have hoped, in dallas.


Great players make the world of difference. The 00-02 Giants offense was good because Tiki was great and Shockey arrived in 02. 05-11 was great because Eli had balls, the OL was nasty and again, guys like Tiki, Plax and Shockey sucked in coverage. When the OL peaked, jacobs, shaw and ward were ready to rumble.

Now we just draft to balance out the roster every fucking year. Dallas didn't "need" Ceedee Lamb. Drafted him and now he's their best WR. Didn't even need PArsons with all those LBs they had. Now he's their best player.

But we just had to find another WR for Daniel Jones. Fuck off already.
the entire NFL blacklisted that right tackle>?  
djm : 12/3/2021 3:04 pm : link
what's his name? Collins? No one dared touch him? Not even sure why as he was never fucking charged.

Did Dallas give a fuck? Nope. They proceeded to once again go against the grain, piss everyone off in the process and found a good tackle in round fucking 7.

We always do the right thing and then promptly lose 10 games. Fuck this franchise. I want an asshole owner who will step on his anyone to win. Mara kicks garbage cans.
Their D  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 12/3/2021 3:05 pm : link
should see a bit of a boost now, with DeMarcus Lawrence returning after missing 11 games and looking pretty good last night (almost had that forced fumble in the 4th that was overturned on replay).
you can draft well  
djm : 12/3/2021 3:06 pm : link
and not win a super bowl.

Don't let that blind you. Dallas has run circles around NYG the last 10 years.
RE: dallas doesn't give a flying fuck  
JohninSC : 12/3/2021 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15478256 djm said:
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If we had Parsons, we'd be a playoff team THIS year.


What's the logic behind this statement?
RE: RE: dallas doesn't give a flying fuck  
djm : 12/3/2021 3:50 pm : link
In comment 15478271 JohninSC said:
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In comment 15478256 djm said:


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If we had Parsons, we'd be a playoff team THIS year.



What's the logic behind this statement?


That if we had Parsons we get at least one more stop in the SKins game and or the ATL game and or the KC game. All we need is one stop. I think we'd be a vastly superior D to the one we see now.

I never subscribed to a very popular belief that one player cannot make the world of difference, especially with a bad team. I think one player can make the difference.
I mean one more win  
djm : 12/3/2021 3:52 pm : link
5-6 and we are right there. 2 more and we'd be in nice shape.

We fucked up royally in this last draft. I will say it until I am blue in the face. The one time everyone here was thrilled we actually screwed the pooch, royally.
only thing that shuts me up  
djm : 12/3/2021 3:53 pm : link
if a legendary type pick in next year's draft. Toney won't, hate to say it, and I aint holding my breath on next year's pick either. The odds that either player comes close to the impact Parsons has had and will have is slim and none.
you guys have your reasons to hate DG  
djm : 12/3/2021 3:55 pm : link
and I have mine. It's this and this alone. I can live with the mistakes and fuck ups but I think Parsons is a HOF caliber player if he stays healthy. He's got it--desire and talent.
So according to THIS post  
Dinger : 12/3/2021 4:46 pm : link
Nepotism is good in Dallas but bad in New Jersey? Should they 'take the keys away' from John and Chris and give them to Rooney and Kate?
RE: Dallas is overrated.  
Bizfoodie : 12/3/2021 6:08 pm : link
In comment 15477908 Essex said:
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They were awful against a terrible Saints team. They had lost 3 of 4 etc. They are better than us, but this is far from a contender, imo.


Listen I hate the cowboys as much as anybody but what part of their team is overrated? They’re a good team. They can run it, they can pass, solid oline, good receivers, good pass rush, ball hawk #1 corner, and coaches are competent. Would be hard pressed to find a more talented team.
The fact that the savant Gettleman did not draft Parsons  
Ike#88 : 12/3/2021 6:43 pm : link
is made even worse because he went to Dallas. Gettleman should not be allowed to finish the season. Cut him already.
Kahlil Mack 2016 DPOY vs Parsons 12 games  
fanatic II : 12/3/2021 7:29 pm : link
Mack
Tackles 73, solo 57, TFL 14, sacks 11, QB hits 26, FF 5, INTs 1.

Parsons
Tackles 72, solo 54. TFL 16, sacks 10, QB hits 24, FF 2.
Not a surprise.  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/3/2021 8:00 pm : link
DG has been fucking up drafts for 4 years straight. Barkley (at 2, mind you), Jones (at 6, LOL), Toney, who can't stay on the field. That's just off the top of my head.
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