and needs to be treated as such team wise. We are looking for our QB of 2022 and I think that QB is already in the league starting for another team or should be starting if all things were equal.
and needs to be treated as such team wise. We are looking for our QB of 2022 and I think that QB is already in the league starting for another team or should be starting if all things were equal.
Agree Frohm is nobody.
Lets see if Fromm isn't...
ahh yes, the humor.. Point is the same, anyone counting on him or even thinking he is in the mix is downright crazy. There is a reason he dropped so far in the draft.
and needs to be treated as such team wise. We are looking for our QB of 2022 and I think that QB is already in the league starting for another team or should be starting if all things were equal.
Agree Frohm is nobody.
Lets see if Fromm isn't...
ahh yes, the humor.. Point is the same, anyone counting on him or even thinking he is in the mix is downright crazy. There is a reason he dropped so far in the draft.
Don't be a chucklehead. Who the hell is counting on him for anything?
Not sure what the in the mix means, but right now he is on the QB depth chart with some of the worst QBs in the league ahead of him. So you may be surprised how little it takes to move up it...
But as I pointed out in a game preview a few weeks ago, he doesn't seem to be able to make good decisions. As much as Giants fans make fun of Dan Snyder, John Mara is developing a similar track record.
Totally agree. And insisting on drafting Haskins may have been Snyder's last disastrous move as an owner. We likely haven't seen the last of Mara's disastrous interference.
that the less Jones plays due to injury, the more cover Mara has to stay with Jones in '22. This season will be deemed incomplete and Jones will be granted a stay of execution...
The thought has entered my head.
If Mara has been willing to keep the worst GM in football for four years, doesn't seem a stretch to keep Jones.
that the less Jones plays due to injury, the more cover Mara has to stay with Jones in '22. This season will be deemed incomplete and Jones will be granted a stay of execution...
The thought has entered my head.
If Mara has been willing to keep the worst GM in football for four years, doesn't seem a stretch to keep Jones.
Gettleman’s retirement will be the annual bone tossed to angry fans. Jones will be after 2022, Judge after 2023, and the cycle continues until Tisch takes Mara to court
The demand for QBs around the league is enormous. Look at what Darnold (who isn't appreciably better than Jones) got the Jets in trade.
I'm sure there's a team that would part with at least a third round pick based on their college scouting of Jones and a belief that Jones was a victim of shitty surroundings on a dysfunctional team.
I'm not sure they can get a third for Jones at this juncture. I'd love it if they could. But Jones was over-drafted from the jump. Many had a 2nd or 3rd round grade on him in 2019. I don't think there are going to be many teams who want to pay a third for a 3rd round grade prospect who played like a 3rd round grade prospect heading into year 4.
Crazy talk. 3rd or 4th at best because they don't know what the hell they have either when he's forced to play behind this garbage OL and playmakers injured most of the season.
The demand for QBs around the league is enormous. Look at what Darnold (who isn't appreciably better than Jones) got the Jets in trade.
I'm sure there's a team that would part with at least a third round pick based on their college scouting of Jones and a belief that Jones was a victim of shitty surroundings on a dysfunctional team.
Not even a question. I would bet we could get at least a 2nd.
that the less Jones plays due to injury, the more cover Mara has to stay with Jones in '22. This season will be deemed incomplete and Jones will be granted a stay of execution...
I don't necessarily agree with that. I think a lot will ride on what a new GM (hopefully not Abrams) thinks.
I think, suspect anyway, that Judge was a Mara decision via BB input and that DG was not in line with that and thus JG was brought on board. Mara is loyal, to a fault, and kept DG around and thus DG, JG and Daniel Jones were all sort of tied together. I think Judge, who still has to prove he belongs, has been in a quiet power struggle over what HE wants in his team. JG is gone and soon will be DG. If the Giants win some games with Glennon Judge will have the proof he needs that Jones wasn't the guy and needs to go as well.
Conjecture for sure but, there is definitely some smoke there and I think if Judge is going to get a full try (I still think BB and his opinion carries weight with the Mara's) it will be with a GM who works with him and with a QB of his choosing.
Under that theory, Judge doesn't even have to win the games, just show that production is the same, meaning Jones is indistinguishable from a journeyman backup.
I may be as lazy as a bucket of white mice but what play are we talking about that Jones was hurt? Was this early in the game against the Eagles? Because I missed most of all of the first half except the last play.
Reporters said they felt it was early in the game; Jones said he didn't know when it happened.
The play that stuck out in my mind was when he got shoved to the ground backwards from a rollout and camera showed him looking up quizzically for the RTP call. Broadcast team thought it was RTP. It didn’t look too bad at the time, but I remember thinking “hope he’s all right”.
That would be something interesting to look forward to in an otherwise bleak season. I hope they can get a start out two out of him before the season is out.
Tough to see the Giants picking up Jones's option.
They don’t have to pick up his option. If he s here next season, I still think that s the biggest probability, they can allow him to play out the season and decide to franchise him if they want.
That would be something interesting to look forward to in an otherwise bleak season. I hope they can get a start out two out of him before the season is out.
Tough to see the Giants picking up Jones's option.
They don’t have to pick up his option. If he s here next season, I still think that s the biggest probability, they can allow him to play out the season and decide to franchise him if they want.
What is this talk of franchising? Isn't franchising an average of the top 5 QB salaries in the league? Won't that be like $35M. Forget it. That's never going to happen.
They can let him playout his current contract in 2022 or try to trade him before the draft to pick up additional picks.
The 2022 QB class is rated as average right now so DJ maybe attractive to a team in need of a QB.
That would be something interesting to look forward to in an otherwise bleak season. I hope they can get a start out two out of him before the season is out.
Tough to see the Giants picking up Jones's option.
They don’t have to pick up his option. If he s here next season, I still think that s the biggest probability, they can allow him to play out the season and decide to franchise him if they want.
No, the experiment and scholarship is over. Time for somebody who actually can play the position consistently well and lift this team.
that the less Jones plays due to injury, the more cover Mara has to stay with Jones in '22. This season will be deemed incomplete and Jones will be granted a stay of execution...
I don't necessarily agree with that. I think a lot will ride on what a new GM (hopefully not Abrams) thinks.
I think, suspect anyway, that Judge was a Mara decision via BB input and that DG was not in line with that and thus JG was brought on board. Mara is loyal, to a fault, and kept DG around and thus DG, JG and Daniel Jones were all sort of tied together. I think Judge, who still has to prove he belongs, has been in a quiet power struggle over what HE wants in his team. JG is gone and soon will be DG. If the Giants win some games with Glennon Judge will have the proof he needs that Jones wasn't the guy and needs to go as well.
Conjecture for sure but, there is definitely some smoke there and I think if Judge is going to get a full try (I still think BB and his opinion carries weight with the Mara's) it will be with a GM who works with him and with a QB of his choosing.
I think that's a reasonable theory (bold above).
Despite his coach-speak supporting Jones, I've never bought in that Jones was fully invested in Jones. He's seen what quality QBing looks like and Jones is a few solar systems away from that. At least I hope he thinks that... ;)
It's interesting looking back at the Judge hire. While BB may have endorsed the hire - why wouldn't he for one of his staff, right? - we were competing against Miss State for the chance to hire a guy who had never worn the HC headset at any level. That was some serious risk.
I supported the hire and was seeing good stuff with Judge. But I'm drifting away from the guy. His act is wearing thin and he needs to show his is more than a guy well-rehearsed at giving good answers.
RE: RE: RE: Obviously let Glennon start on sunday but Giants
because they should want to see how Fromm looks in live games with the offense.
There will be a season next year too...
Why?
What are you expecting Tom Brady from a 6th round pick? And without a Belichek developing him? He is another teams practice squad player? Shoot there are people here willing to give Jones 4 years to see what he can do. How about giving Glennon more than 1.5 season before we make our minds up.
Don't be a dink with the Tom Brady stuff. That's not the point
And Glennon has been in the NFL for years with like 6 different teams. He is a known quantity and that is being a back-up QB.
Fromm may amount to little, but we should check it out first. Hell, if he shows decently, we can keep him and dump Glennon next year as back up.
He is a known quantity despite playing about a dozen fewer games than Jones; who up till yesterday was not a non quantity?
Was Kurt Warner a known quantity when he was playing for some arena team and working at a super market? How about a Tony Romo an undrafted guy who I have no idea where they found him.
So Framm becomes a giant for a day and he gets to bypass someone who has not even played a snap on this team w full practice. There are a lot of 6 th round picks playing on practice squads .
(these all devolve into the same dialectic and debate between the same performers) but my referee assignor (big Giants' fan) said he heard that the injury might be season ending. Again, apologies if broached above. If so, that ups the ante for the '22 debate.
This season's version of Scott Brunner. People will be clamoring for him until they realize he just isn't very good.
Straw man, how ya doing.. Nobody's clamoring for Glennon. We know he's probably garbage. We're tired of watching #8 play subpar QB and then 20% of posters here say, actually Jones is really good.
This season's version of Scott Brunner. People will be clamoring for him until they realize he just isn't very good.
Straw man, how ya doing.. Nobody's clamoring for Glennon. We know he's probably garbage. We're tired of watching #8 play subpar QB and then 20% of posters here say, actually Jones is really good.
Terps said something similar the other day. I really don't enjoy anything about watching Jones playing QB. He's an accident waiting to happen. That might work if you are watching a NASCAR race, but it's the last thing I want watching a QB play...
I am not sure having 2 Eagles drop game winning passes was the best thing for our franchise. Hate the Eagles and it was great to win a game but long term we need to be at the top of the draft. Watching the Thursday night game did anyone wonder how we did not take Parsons when we needed better LB's and a pass rusher? We traded down and Toney has 0 TD's. Maybe with the first rd. pick added we can find a QB in the next draft. Otherwise trade Sam Beal for Mike White. What do we have to lose?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Obviously let Glennon start on sunday but Giants
because they should want to see how Fromm looks in live games with the offense.
There will be a season next year too...
Why?
What are you expecting Tom Brady from a 6th round pick? And without a Belichek developing him? He is another teams practice squad player? Shoot there are people here willing to give Jones 4 years to see what he can do. How about giving Glennon more than 1.5 season before we make our minds up.
Don't be a dink with the Tom Brady stuff. That's not the point
And Glennon has been in the NFL for years with like 6 different teams. He is a known quantity and that is being a back-up QB.
Fromm may amount to little, but we should check it out first. Hell, if he shows decently, we can keep him and dump Glennon next year as back up.
He is a known quantity despite playing about a dozen fewer games than Jones; who up till yesterday was not a non quantity?
Was Kurt Warner a known quantity when he was playing for some arena team and working at a super market? How about a Tony Romo an undrafted guy who I have no idea where they found him.
So Framm becomes a giant for a day and he gets to bypass someone who has not even played a snap on this team w full practice. There are a lot of 6 th round picks playing on practice squads .
What the hell are you babbling about?
Glennon is a 32 year backup NFL QB...that has been established based on his career. Jones is out and Glennon is the backup and he will start on Sunday. Who's bypassing him?
Fromm (and the coaches) should get himself ready to play asap because he might have to of something happens to Glennon. And because he might get his chance anyway this season.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Obviously let Glennon start on sunday but Giants
Glennon is a 32 year backup NFL QB...that has been established based on his career. Jones is out and Glennon is the backup and he will start on Sunday. Who's bypassing him?
Fromm (and the coaches) should get himself ready to play asap because he might have to of something happens to Glennon. And because he might get his chance anyway this season.
You don't get what circumstantial evidence means? Glennon is a back-up because he is but, hey there is this guy on a the Bills practice squad who needs to get some playing time because? Ok I can say that too... Fromm is a 6th round pick and deserves to be a perm practice squad player because he is.
Again Glennon has not played much. I expect him to stink up the place but he seems more promising for some crazy thing to happen like a cinderalla story than Fromm ; a Bills practice squad player.
We've seen Glennon suck. Fromm is like picking what's behind door #1
on 8's neck, because if its anything like the Mannings have had (Peyton and Cooper).......the new GM needs to add a frontline qb to his vast list of things to do......
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Obviously let Glennon start on sunday but Giants
Glennon is a 32 year backup NFL QB...that has been established based on his career. Jones is out and Glennon is the backup and he will start on Sunday. Who's bypassing him?
Fromm (and the coaches) should get himself ready to play asap because he might have to of something happens to Glennon. And because he might get his chance anyway this season.
You don't get what circumstantial evidence means? Glennon is a back-up because he is but, hey there is this guy on a the Bills practice squad who needs to get some playing time because? Ok I can say that too... Fromm is a 6th round pick and deserves to be a perm practice squad player because he is.
Again Glennon has not played much. I expect him to stink up the place but he seems more promising for some crazy thing to happen like a cinderalla story than Fromm ; a Bills practice squad player.
Don’t take this personally, but you are a loon.
Not sure I can be more clear about Glennon being the #2 guy and Fromm behind him. But good luck with improving your posting...
This season's version of Scott Brunner. People will be clamoring for him until they realize he just isn't very good.
Straw man, how ya doing.. Nobody's clamoring for Glennon. We know he's probably garbage. We're tired of watching #8 play subpar QB and then 20% of posters here say, actually Jones is really good.
Terps said something similar the other day. I really don't enjoy anything about watching Jones playing QB. He's an accident waiting to happen. That might work if you are watching a NASCAR race, but it's the last thing I want watching a QB play...
I saw Terps' comment and I know the feeling. It's at the point where I can't stand watching him and when some posters compare him to Mahomes or Herbert or whoever I want to barf. One chucklehead said Mahomes was rushing his throws post snap like Daniel Jones used to do, but Jones fixed the problem. As if Daniel Jones has anything... any single thing.. on Patrick Mahomes.
Giants did alot of scouting on Fromm for a few years
and needs to be treated as such team wise. We are looking for our QB of 2022 and I think that QB is already in the league starting for another team or should be starting if all things were equal.
Agree Frohm is nobody.
Lets see if Fromm isn't...
ahh yes, the humor.. Point is the same, anyone counting on him or even thinking he is in the mix is downright crazy. There is a reason he dropped so far in the draft.
Not even using the outliers - it's at least worth seeing if he's a Heinicke or Gardner Minshew.
This season's version of Scott Brunner. People will be clamoring for him until they realize he just isn't very good.
Well, yeah, we know Glennon sucks. The more important thing is how he will look compared to Jones. If he looks the same as Jones (or ... better), that tell us a lot about Jones.
What is this talk of franchising? Isn't franchising an average of the top 5 QB salaries in the league? Won't that be like $35M. Forget it. That's never going to happen.
The 2022 tag is 28.5M, the 2023 won’t be far different.
This is actually a really sound strategy.
If you exercise his 5th year option, you’re locked into 21M in 2023 no matter how he performs in 2022.
The best option is forego the option and have complete flexibility for 2023. If he sucks in 2022 he walks at no cost. In the unlikely event it all comes together for him, you still control his rights with the franchise tag.
I doubt the Giants would get even a 7th round pick for Jones. He has yet to prove he can read NFL defenses and his pocket awareness is nearly non-existent. At one time I thought he might be as good as Eli, perhaps better, because he's more mobile and has a stronger arm, but Eli could read defenses and had pocket awareness, unlike Jones.
What is this talk of franchising? Isn't franchising an average of the top 5 QB salaries in the league? Won't that be like $35M. Forget it. That's never going to happen.
The 2022 tag is 28.5M, the 2023 won’t be far different.
This is actually a really sound strategy.
If you exercise his 5th year option, you’re locked into 21M in 2023 no matter how he performs in 2022.
The best option is forego the option and have complete flexibility for 2023. If he sucks in 2022 he walks at no cost. In the unlikely event it all comes together for him, you still control his rights with the franchise tag.
Thanks for correcting me and sorry I got the tag number wrong.
But even $28M+ is an insane number to think about at this stage for Jones (and I'm sure you already know that). It's not worth mentioning it is so far from the realm of possibility that Jones' play can justify the tag. He would have to suddenly become as good as Joe Burrow, or maybe Kirk Cousins. Jones is light years from being as good a QB as Kirk Cousins. Let's mention the cap when Jones approaches the Kirk Cousins level and not before. It sounds awfully presumptuous to talk tag until then.
RE: No team wants Jones if it means they lose a draft pick
I doubt the Giants would get even a 7th round pick for Jones. He has yet to prove he can read NFL defenses and his pocket awareness is nearly non-existent. At one time I thought he might be as good as Eli, perhaps better, because he's more mobile and has a stronger arm, but Eli could read defenses and had pocket awareness, unlike Jones.
Jones has a stronger arm than Eli? What?!! Jones can't even throw a hail marry and reach the end zone from mid field like he couldn't before a half a few games ago.
I have no idea what possesses people on tis site to make these ridiculous comparisons. Jones is not getting a 2nd because Darnold got one. Darnold has elite arm talent and is mobile. He was playing on a far worse team. Jones will get a 6th.
Don't we all wish you would just watch the Seahawks or whatever team you are zoned for in the Pac Northwest of all things. have youever set foot in NY or Gaints stadium? Must be fun watching the games at a bar at like 10 AM on Sunday
Agree Frohm is nobody.
Lets see if Fromm isn't...
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and needs to be treated as such team wise. We are looking for our QB of 2022 and I think that QB is already in the league starting for another team or should be starting if all things were equal.
Agree Frohm is nobody.
Lets see if Fromm isn't...
ahh yes, the humor.. Point is the same, anyone counting on him or even thinking he is in the mix is downright crazy. There is a reason he dropped so far in the draft.
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and needs to be treated as such team wise. We are looking for our QB of 2022 and I think that QB is already in the league starting for another team or should be starting if all things were equal.
Agree Frohm is nobody.
Lets see if Fromm isn't...
ahh yes, the humor.. Point is the same, anyone counting on him or even thinking he is in the mix is downright crazy. There is a reason he dropped so far in the draft.
Don't be a chucklehead. Who the hell is counting on him for anything?
Not sure what the in the mix means, but right now he is on the QB depth chart with some of the worst QBs in the league ahead of him. So you may be surprised how little it takes to move up it...
LB Trent Harris (Ankle)
DB Adoree Jackson (Quad)
TE Kaden Smith (Knee)
QB Daniel Jones (Neck)
DOUBTFUL:
WR Sterling Shepard (Quad)
WR Kadarius Toney (Oblique/Quad)
QUESTIONABLE:
FB Cullen Gillaspia (Calf)
WR John Ross (Illness/Quad)
TE Kyle Rudolph (Ankle)
T Nate Solder (Elbow)
Solder is questionable. What if he can't play and they trot out Cunningham instead of Peart to play RT?
But as I pointed out in a game preview a few weeks ago, he doesn't seem to be able to make good decisions. As much as Giants fans make fun of Dan Snyder, John Mara is developing a similar track record.
Totally agree. And insisting on drafting Haskins may have been Snyder's last disastrous move as an owner. We likely haven't seen the last of Mara's disastrous interference.
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that the less Jones plays due to injury, the more cover Mara has to stay with Jones in '22. This season will be deemed incomplete and Jones will be granted a stay of execution...
The thought has entered my head.
If Mara has been willing to keep the worst GM in football for four years, doesn't seem a stretch to keep Jones.
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that the less Jones plays due to injury, the more cover Mara has to stay with Jones in '22. This season will be deemed incomplete and Jones will be granted a stay of execution...
The thought has entered my head.
If Mara has been willing to keep the worst GM in football for four years, doesn't seem a stretch to keep Jones.
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Figure out what Arena League team he's going to be on and you can probably watch the games on Face Book.
Poor Saquon starts loosening up and BOOM the freak ankle injury.
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each and every year is frankly amazing to me and unlike anything I've seen in recent memory.
How many years do I have to keep waiting for a winning Giants team again where accountability and development matters?
What is this scholarship Jones is on and where I can get one in my life?
Trying to justify the #6 overall pick.
Oh, and see the Barkley situation also...
Nice mess we're in
Why couldn't DJ elevate the worst OL in team history with a battery of receivers fresh off the practice squad and street?
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The demand for QBs around the league is enormous. Look at what Darnold (who isn't appreciably better than Jones) got the Jets in trade.
I'm sure there's a team that would part with at least a third round pick based on their college scouting of Jones and a belief that Jones was a victim of shitty surroundings on a dysfunctional team.
I'm not sure they can get a third for Jones at this juncture. I'd love it if they could. But Jones was over-drafted from the jump. Many had a 2nd or 3rd round grade on him in 2019. I don't think there are going to be many teams who want to pay a third for a 3rd round grade prospect who played like a 3rd round grade prospect heading into year 4.
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The demand for QBs around the league is enormous. Look at what Darnold (who isn't appreciably better than Jones) got the Jets in trade.
I'm sure there's a team that would part with at least a third round pick based on their college scouting of Jones and a belief that Jones was a victim of shitty surroundings on a dysfunctional team.
Not even a question. I would bet we could get at least a 2nd.
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that the less Jones plays due to injury, the more cover Mara has to stay with Jones in '22. This season will be deemed incomplete and Jones will be granted a stay of execution...
I don't necessarily agree with that. I think a lot will ride on what a new GM (hopefully not Abrams) thinks.
I think, suspect anyway, that Judge was a Mara decision via BB input and that DG was not in line with that and thus JG was brought on board. Mara is loyal, to a fault, and kept DG around and thus DG, JG and Daniel Jones were all sort of tied together. I think Judge, who still has to prove he belongs, has been in a quiet power struggle over what HE wants in his team. JG is gone and soon will be DG. If the Giants win some games with Glennon Judge will have the proof he needs that Jones wasn't the guy and needs to go as well.
Conjecture for sure but, there is definitely some smoke there and I think if Judge is going to get a full try (I still think BB and his opinion carries weight with the Mara's) it will be with a GM who works with him and with a QB of his choosing.
Under that theory, Judge doesn't even have to win the games, just show that production is the same, meaning Jones is indistinguishable from a journeyman backup.
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LB Trent Harris (Ankle)
DB Adoree Jackson (Quad)
TE Kaden Smith (Knee)
QB Daniel Jones (Neck)
DOUBTFUL:
WR Sterling Shepard (Quad)
WR Kadarius Toney (Oblique/Quad)
QUESTIONABLE:
FB Cullen Gillaspia (Calf)
WR John Ross (Illness/Quad)
TE Kyle Rudolph (Ankle)
T Nate Solder (Elbow)
Solder is questionable. What if he can't play and they trot out Cunningham instead of Peart to play RT?
Given Sale's comments this week, this is a good possibility.
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I may be as lazy as a bucket of white mice but what play are we talking about that Jones was hurt? Was this early in the game against the Eagles? Because I missed most of all of the first half except the last play.
Reporters said they felt it was early in the game; Jones said he didn't know when it happened.
The play that stuck out in my mind was when he got shoved to the ground backwards from a rollout and camera showed him looking up quizzically for the RTP call. Broadcast team thought it was RTP. It didn’t look too bad at the time, but I remember thinking “hope he’s all right”.
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That would be something interesting to look forward to in an otherwise bleak season. I hope they can get a start out two out of him before the season is out.
Tough to see the Giants picking up Jones's option.
They don’t have to pick up his option. If he s here next season, I still think that s the biggest probability, they can allow him to play out the season and decide to franchise him if they want.
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That would be something interesting to look forward to in an otherwise bleak season. I hope they can get a start out two out of him before the season is out.
Tough to see the Giants picking up Jones's option.
They don’t have to pick up his option. If he s here next season, I still think that s the biggest probability, they can allow him to play out the season and decide to franchise him if they want.
What is this talk of franchising? Isn't franchising an average of the top 5 QB salaries in the league? Won't that be like $35M. Forget it. That's never going to happen.
The 2022 QB class is rated as average right now so DJ maybe attractive to a team in need of a QB.
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That would be something interesting to look forward to in an otherwise bleak season. I hope they can get a start out two out of him before the season is out.
Tough to see the Giants picking up Jones's option.
They don’t have to pick up his option. If he s here next season, I still think that s the biggest probability, they can allow him to play out the season and decide to franchise him if they want.
No, the experiment and scholarship is over. Time for somebody who actually can play the position consistently well and lift this team.
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that the less Jones plays due to injury, the more cover Mara has to stay with Jones in '22. This season will be deemed incomplete and Jones will be granted a stay of execution...
I don't necessarily agree with that. I think a lot will ride on what a new GM (hopefully not Abrams) thinks.
I think, suspect anyway, that Judge was a Mara decision via BB input and that DG was not in line with that and thus JG was brought on board. Mara is loyal, to a fault, and kept DG around and thus DG, JG and Daniel Jones were all sort of tied together. I think Judge, who still has to prove he belongs, has been in a quiet power struggle over what HE wants in his team. JG is gone and soon will be DG. If the Giants win some games with Glennon Judge will have the proof he needs that Jones wasn't the guy and needs to go as well.
Conjecture for sure but, there is definitely some smoke there and I think if Judge is going to get a full try (I still think BB and his opinion carries weight with the Mara's) it will be with a GM who works with him and with a QB of his choosing.
I think that's a reasonable theory (bold above).
Despite his coach-speak supporting Jones, I've never bought in that Jones was fully invested in Jones. He's seen what quality QBing looks like and Jones is a few solar systems away from that. At least I hope he thinks that... ;)
It's interesting looking back at the Judge hire. While BB may have endorsed the hire - why wouldn't he for one of his staff, right? - we were competing against Miss State for the chance to hire a guy who had never worn the HC headset at any level. That was some serious risk.
I supported the hire and was seeing good stuff with Judge. But I'm drifting away from the guy. His act is wearing thin and he needs to show his is more than a guy well-rehearsed at giving good answers.
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because they should want to see how Fromm looks in live games with the offense.
There will be a season next year too...
Why?
What are you expecting Tom Brady from a 6th round pick? And without a Belichek developing him? He is another teams practice squad player? Shoot there are people here willing to give Jones 4 years to see what he can do. How about giving Glennon more than 1.5 season before we make our minds up.
Don't be a dink with the Tom Brady stuff. That's not the point
And Glennon has been in the NFL for years with like 6 different teams. He is a known quantity and that is being a back-up QB.
Fromm may amount to little, but we should check it out first. Hell, if he shows decently, we can keep him and dump Glennon next year as back up.
He is a known quantity despite playing about a dozen fewer games than Jones; who up till yesterday was not a non quantity?
Was Kurt Warner a known quantity when he was playing for some arena team and working at a super market? How about a Tony Romo an undrafted guy who I have no idea where they found him.
So Framm becomes a giant for a day and he gets to bypass someone who has not even played a snap on this team w full practice. There are a lot of 6 th round picks playing on practice squads .
Straw man, how ya doing.. Nobody's clamoring for Glennon. We know he's probably garbage. We're tired of watching #8 play subpar QB and then 20% of posters here say, actually Jones is really good.
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This season's version of Scott Brunner. People will be clamoring for him until they realize he just isn't very good.
Straw man, how ya doing.. Nobody's clamoring for Glennon. We know he's probably garbage. We're tired of watching #8 play subpar QB and then 20% of posters here say, actually Jones is really good.
Terps said something similar the other day. I really don't enjoy anything about watching Jones playing QB. He's an accident waiting to happen. That might work if you are watching a NASCAR race, but it's the last thing I want watching a QB play...
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because they should want to see how Fromm looks in live games with the offense.
There will be a season next year too...
Why?
What are you expecting Tom Brady from a 6th round pick? And without a Belichek developing him? He is another teams practice squad player? Shoot there are people here willing to give Jones 4 years to see what he can do. How about giving Glennon more than 1.5 season before we make our minds up.
Don't be a dink with the Tom Brady stuff. That's not the point
And Glennon has been in the NFL for years with like 6 different teams. He is a known quantity and that is being a back-up QB.
Fromm may amount to little, but we should check it out first. Hell, if he shows decently, we can keep him and dump Glennon next year as back up.
He is a known quantity despite playing about a dozen fewer games than Jones; who up till yesterday was not a non quantity?
Was Kurt Warner a known quantity when he was playing for some arena team and working at a super market? How about a Tony Romo an undrafted guy who I have no idea where they found him.
So Framm becomes a giant for a day and he gets to bypass someone who has not even played a snap on this team w full practice. There are a lot of 6 th round picks playing on practice squads .
What the hell are you babbling about?
Glennon is a 32 year backup NFL QB...that has been established based on his career. Jones is out and Glennon is the backup and he will start on Sunday. Who's bypassing him?
Fromm (and the coaches) should get himself ready to play asap because he might have to of something happens to Glennon. And because he might get his chance anyway this season.
Glennon is a 32 year backup NFL QB...that has been established based on his career. Jones is out and Glennon is the backup and he will start on Sunday. Who's bypassing him?
Fromm (and the coaches) should get himself ready to play asap because he might have to of something happens to Glennon. And because he might get his chance anyway this season.
You don't get what circumstantial evidence means? Glennon is a back-up because he is but, hey there is this guy on a the Bills practice squad who needs to get some playing time because? Ok I can say that too... Fromm is a 6th round pick and deserves to be a perm practice squad player because he is.
Again Glennon has not played much. I expect him to stink up the place but he seems more promising for some crazy thing to happen like a cinderalla story than Fromm ; a Bills practice squad player.
Fan logic, not mine. The curiosity for Fromm will last about 1 quarter. Or if he has some Mike White fairy dust, maybe 1 game.
Fan logic, not mine. The curiosity for Fromm will last about 1 quarter. Or if he has some Mike White fairy dust, maybe 1 game.
Agree with all that. Curiosity for one quarter is better than what we've got.
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Glennon is a 32 year backup NFL QB...that has been established based on his career. Jones is out and Glennon is the backup and he will start on Sunday. Who's bypassing him?
Fromm (and the coaches) should get himself ready to play asap because he might have to of something happens to Glennon. And because he might get his chance anyway this season.
You don't get what circumstantial evidence means? Glennon is a back-up because he is but, hey there is this guy on a the Bills practice squad who needs to get some playing time because? Ok I can say that too... Fromm is a 6th round pick and deserves to be a perm practice squad player because he is.
Again Glennon has not played much. I expect him to stink up the place but he seems more promising for some crazy thing to happen like a cinderalla story than Fromm ; a Bills practice squad player.
Don’t take this personally, but you are a loon.
Not sure I can be more clear about Glennon being the #2 guy and Fromm behind him. But good luck with improving your posting...
Ok, Thanks. Seemed like a obtuse conversation...
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This season's version of Scott Brunner. People will be clamoring for him until they realize he just isn't very good.
Straw man, how ya doing.. Nobody's clamoring for Glennon. We know he's probably garbage. We're tired of watching #8 play subpar QB and then 20% of posters here say, actually Jones is really good.
Terps said something similar the other day. I really don't enjoy anything about watching Jones playing QB. He's an accident waiting to happen. That might work if you are watching a NASCAR race, but it's the last thing I want watching a QB play...
I saw Terps' comment and I know the feeling. It's at the point where I can't stand watching him and when some posters compare him to Mahomes or Herbert or whoever I want to barf. One chucklehead said Mahomes was rushing his throws post snap like Daniel Jones used to do, but Jones fixed the problem. As if Daniel Jones has anything... any single thing.. on Patrick Mahomes.
I'm very curious to see him. My expectations are in check but, you never know.
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and needs to be treated as such team wise. We are looking for our QB of 2022 and I think that QB is already in the league starting for another team or should be starting if all things were equal.
Agree Frohm is nobody.
Lets see if Fromm isn't...
ahh yes, the humor.. Point is the same, anyone counting on him or even thinking he is in the mix is downright crazy. There is a reason he dropped so far in the draft.
Not even using the outliers - it's at least worth seeing if he's a Heinicke or Gardner Minshew.
Well, yeah, we know Glennon sucks. The more important thing is how he will look compared to Jones. If he looks the same as Jones (or ... better), that tell us a lot about Jones.
Of course, it's not like the Giants have earned much trust in evaluations.
Wasn't he with the Bills? They seem to know what they're doing. Left him open to poaching.
The 2022 tag is 28.5M, the 2023 won’t be far different.
This is actually a really sound strategy.
If you exercise his 5th year option, you’re locked into 21M in 2023 no matter how he performs in 2022.
The best option is forego the option and have complete flexibility for 2023. If he sucks in 2022 he walks at no cost. In the unlikely event it all comes together for him, you still control his rights with the franchise tag.
And I have watched a handful of QBs in a NY Giant uniform since 2016 and haven’t been impressed with any them either.
So...
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To move forward with regardless of what you think about his talent level. You can’t put the franchise on a guy missing 4+ games a year.
He’s a placeholder in 22 and that’s it.
Kylar Murray has not played in a month. Same standard?
Sure. He’s proven a little more but it’s the same. Arizona isn’t winning shit if Murray is hurt every year so you can’t pay him.
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What is this talk of franchising? Isn't franchising an average of the top 5 QB salaries in the league? Won't that be like $35M. Forget it. That's never going to happen.
The 2022 tag is 28.5M, the 2023 won’t be far different.
This is actually a really sound strategy.
If you exercise his 5th year option, you’re locked into 21M in 2023 no matter how he performs in 2022.
The best option is forego the option and have complete flexibility for 2023. If he sucks in 2022 he walks at no cost. In the unlikely event it all comes together for him, you still control his rights with the franchise tag.
Thanks for correcting me and sorry I got the tag number wrong.
But even $28M+ is an insane number to think about at this stage for Jones (and I'm sure you already know that). It's not worth mentioning it is so far from the realm of possibility that Jones' play can justify the tag. He would have to suddenly become as good as Joe Burrow, or maybe Kirk Cousins. Jones is light years from being as good a QB as Kirk Cousins. Let's mention the cap when Jones approaches the Kirk Cousins level and not before. It sounds awfully presumptuous to talk tag until then.
Jones has a stronger arm than Eli? What?!! Jones can't even throw a hail marry and reach the end zone from mid field like he couldn't before a half a few games ago.
I have no idea what possesses people on tis site to make these ridiculous comparisons. Jones is not getting a 2nd because Darnold got one. Darnold has elite arm talent and is mobile. He was playing on a far worse team. Jones will get a 6th.
Don't we all wish you would just watch the Seahawks or whatever team you are zoned for in the Pac Northwest of all things. have youever set foot in NY or Gaints stadium? Must be fun watching the games at a bar at like 10 AM on Sunday