If Jones is done for the season, there is no way the Giants go into 2022 feeling good about their QB situation. Not just from an injury-prone player perspective, but because Jones simply didn't play all that well (regardless of the reasons).
is this sudden interest in Fromm? He was a fifth round pick and couldn't even beat out Davis Webb or Mitch Trubisky. Of course some people here were saying just a few days ago that we should replace Jones with Trubisky.
The interest is that he was good enough to surface as a name people recognized at one point and he's someone different than the guy we have. Kind of like Peart. He's so bad he can;t beat out Soldier, but because he's not Soldier, people think he might be good. He's not.
at this point surprise you? Every week it seems with this car salesman trying to sell us the undercoat. From the headsets to the challenge flag to the obfuscation around the "play caller". On and on, this guy is a clown show.
is this sudden interest in Fromm? He was a fifth round pick and couldn't even beat out Davis Webb or Mitch Trubisky. Of course some people here were saying just a few days ago that we should replace Jones with Trubisky.
The interest is that he was good enough to surface as a name people recognized at one point and he's someone different than the guy we have. Kind of like Peart. He's so bad he can;t beat out Soldier, but because he's not Soldier, people think he might be good. He's not.
I remember Froom had a weak arm, am I confusing him with someone else?
is this sudden interest in Fromm? He was a fifth round pick and couldn't even beat out Davis Webb or Mitch Trubisky. Of course some people here were saying just a few days ago that we should replace Jones with Trubisky.
Maybe he's the next time Brady?
Or people just want to make those Jake Fromm State Farm jokes?
Lol. I say derivative but even derivatives are delectable in trying, uncharted times such as these.
If Jones is done for the season, there is no way the Giants go into 2022 feeling good about their QB situation. Not just from an injury-prone player perspective, but because Jones simply didn't play all that well (regardless of the reasons).
I don't know. This is DJs 3rd year playing. If we are still grasping for hope that he will start to be good with more reps, odds are what we've seen to date tells us all we need to know. End of day, this is something for the new GM to figure out.
I may be as lazy as a bucket of white mice but what play are we talking about that Jones was hurt? Was this early in the game against the Eagles? Because I missed most of all of the first half except the last play.
I may be as lazy as a bucket of white mice but what play are we talking about that Jones was hurt? Was this early in the game against the Eagles? Because I missed most of all of the first half except the last play.
Reporters said they felt it was early in the game; Jones said he didn't know when it happened.
I may be as lazy as a bucket of white mice but what play are we talking about that Jones was hurt? Was this early in the game against the Eagles? Because I missed most of all of the first half except the last play.
Really just people fishing for reason to point finger where they want it. That's pretty much all we do around here these days. Kind of depressing.
If Jones is done for the season, there is no way the Giants go into 2022 feeling good about their QB situation. Not just from an injury-prone player perspective, but because Jones simply didn't play all that well (regardless of the reasons).
Look at the season he's been having. If the Giants went into 2022 feeling good about Jones at QB, THAT would be a problem.
There is no problem here that wasn't already present weeks ago: the Giants need a quarterback.
And some of you fools still wanna hitch our wagon to this guy.
You re quite adapt at name callings, so now we re “ fools.”
You would have thought you d have learned your lesson after the Wilson is ballin” thing. When you think about it you were the one that came off somewhat foolish on that thread
Need to see him play. But the ONE thing NO ONE can question about DJ is his toughness. He's tough as a $2 steak. No doubt! If the man could play, there's no doubt in my mind that he would play.
Sure Jones is "tough" but so are most NFL QBs.
I'm tired of hearing about how Jones is "tough" and "hard working" but I guess those are the only compliments he deserves for his play to date.
When Giants' fans talk about Jones in this manner it reminds me of a guy describing a blind date to one of his friends by saying, "she has a great personality".
That if a new GM had the chance to draft a QB they really like they would take it, otherwise will ride with DJ for time being until opportunity presents itself. That is the realistic assumption regardless of weather Jones plays here on out or not.
It was reported to be on the second play of the game. It was an outside run (NOT inside run) Jones did slide (perhaps he could have slid earlier, but he did slide. Not surprisingly the eagle took a semi cheap shot on the slide. If it was an established veteran QB it would have been called (IMO) Jones kinda looked for a flag. I didn't have a huge problem not getting one at the time (or now). it was close and philly is historically a bunch of scumbags.
Also Jones didn't tell anyone until Monday, and played the rest of the game. I thought the accuracy was weirdly off, but I didn't suspect an injury. The coaching staff didn't know. Jones by his own admission did not realize until monday. That could be bullshit, but that is what i have read.
Also, toughness is a quality to be praised in a football player. We admired it in Eli and Simms. The willingness to play through pain.
I know he's not healthy rn so it's kind of pointless at the moment but I'm going to keep beating this drum... I'd rather see Toney playing QB than Glennon. True 11 v 11 football. RPO/Wildcat/Read option/QB Power football. Let him get 20 passing attempts and 20 carries. Lamar Jackson/Taysom Hill style of play.
I know he's not healthy rn so it's kind of pointless at the moment but I'm going to keep beating this drum... I'd rather see Toney playing QB than Glennon. True 11 v 11 football. RPO/Wildcat/Read option/QB Power football. Let him get 20 passing attempts and 20 carries. Lamar Jackson/Taysom Hill style of play.
He hasn't played QB since high school
He also didn't practice Thursday. KT can't stay on the field either
RE: RE: Kadarius Toney can't be worse at QB than Taysom Hill
is this sudden interest in Fromm? He was a fifth round pick and couldn't even beat out Davis Webb or Mitch Trubisky. Of course some people here were saying just a few days ago that we should replace Jones with Trubisky.
If Jones is done for the season, there is no way the Giants go into 2022 feeling good about their QB situation. Not just from an injury-prone player perspective, but because Jones simply didn't play all that well (regardless of the reasons).
Yep, and there are two diverging options ... bring in some legit competition and push Jones, or extend his scholarship and pick up his option (fuck no for me, but the Giants could let themselves fall into the trap again). I doubt they decide Jones isn't the guy if he's not in there due to injury for an extended time.
is this sudden interest in Fromm? He was a fifth round pick and couldn't even beat out Davis Webb or Mitch Trubisky. Of course some people here were saying just a few days ago that we should replace Jones with Trubisky.
Why wouldn’t there be? He’s an unknown, was drafted in the 5th round. Glennon has no future here, let’s see what he can do. Look at Taylor Heinicke.
If Jones is done for the season, there is no way the Giants go into 2022 feeling good about their QB situation. Not just from an injury-prone player perspective, but because Jones simply didn't play all that well (regardless of the reasons).
Yep, and there are two diverging options ... bring in some legit competition and push Jones, or extend his scholarship and pick up his option (fuck no for me, but the Giants could let themselves fall into the trap again). I doubt they decide Jones isn't the guy if he's not in there due to injury for an extended time.
This might be when we learn how Judge actually feels about Jones.
is this sudden interest in Fromm? He was a fifth round pick and couldn't even beat out Davis Webb or Mitch Trubisky. Of course some people here were saying just a few days ago that we should replace Jones with Trubisky.
Hes an "unknown". He hasn't sucked yet in blue. Everyone already thinks Glennon stinks
If Jones is done for the season, there is no way the Giants go into 2022 feeling good about their QB situation. Not just from an injury-prone player perspective, but because Jones simply didn't play all that well (regardless of the reasons).
Yep, and there are two diverging options ... bring in some legit competition and push Jones, or extend his scholarship and pick up his option (fuck no for me, but the Giants could let themselves fall into the trap again). I doubt they decide Jones isn't the guy if he's not in there due to injury for an extended time.
Two things are relatively certain:
(1) Jones will come back next season because his cap hit is only about $8M IIRC.
(2) The Giants won't pick up his fifth year option. That would be about $20M IIRC. Aside from the fact that his play doesn't justify doing so, we will begin to get out of many of the terrible contracts DG has saddled us with in 2023. I'd rather not prospectively use that cap space by picking up the fifth year option for Jones, and my guess is that the new GM will not either. That is especially true if the new GM is from outside the organization.
You and I wouldn't pick up his option, but would it shock you if NYG did it? Not me.
If they did it would be wildly irresponsible. It would really cement the view that the Giants don’t try to win. There is no reason to pick up the option. None. Even Phil Simms came out and said he wouldn’t.
Add in a new GM & a HC that didn’t pick Jones, I’d be shocked if they weren’t.
Judge didn't pick Jones. He inherited him along with Getty. Here is a quick 12 step plan for Giants ownership:
Step 1 - Fire Getty.
Step 2 - Pick GM from outside building (ignore Stranger Danger).
Step 3 - Let GM evaluate and make decision on QB situation
Step 4 - Let GM determine if Judge can finally establish some sort of identity on offense besides Garrett's dog-eared Cowboys playbook from 2008.
Step 5 - Let GM put together greatest draft of all time to restore Giants D and OL to the glory of halcyon days of yore.
Step 6 - Win Super Bowl
Step 7 - Get drunk.
Step 8 - Give virtual high-fives and bro hugs to all the posters on BBI.
Step 9 - Wash
Step 10 - Rinse
Step 11 - Repeat
Step 12 - Let 4th generation Maras screw it all up again.
You and I wouldn't pick up his option, but would it shock you if NYG did it? Not me.
If gettleman stays in the building, I could see it. Important to remember what big fans Mara and others are of Jones as well. They like him as a person and want to believe in him.
His last win was with the Bears, on Sept. 24, 2017. Link - ( New Window )
Isn't that around what Jones winning percentage is? Ha. Kidding.
If Jones is done for the season, there is no way the Giants go into 2022 feeling good about their QB situation. Not just from an injury-prone player perspective, but because Jones simply didn't play all that well (regardless of the reasons).
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is this sudden interest in Fromm? He was a fifth round pick and couldn't even beat out Davis Webb or Mitch Trubisky. Of course some people here were saying just a few days ago that we should replace Jones with Trubisky.
The interest is that he was good enough to surface as a name people recognized at one point and he's someone different than the guy we have. Kind of like Peart. He's so bad he can;t beat out Soldier, but because he's not Soldier, people think he might be good. He's not.
I remember Froom had a weak arm, am I confusing him with someone else?
Maybe he's the next time Brady?
Or people just want to make those Jake Fromm State Farm jokes?
Lol. I say derivative but even derivatives are delectable in trying, uncharted times such as these.
If Jones is done for the season, there is no way the Giants go into 2022 feeling good about their QB situation. Not just from an injury-prone player perspective, but because Jones simply didn't play all that well (regardless of the reasons).
Reporters said they felt it was early in the game; Jones said he didn't know when it happened.
If Jones is done for the season, there is no way the Giants go into 2022 feeling good about their QB situation. Not just from an injury-prone player perspective, but because Jones simply didn't play all that well (regardless of the reasons).
Look at the season he's been having. If the Giants went into 2022 feeling good about Jones at QB, THAT would be a problem.
There is no problem here that wasn't already present weeks ago: the Giants need a quarterback.
You re quite adapt at name callings, so now we re “ fools.”
You would have thought you d have learned your lesson after the Wilson is ballin” thing. When you think about it you were the one that came off somewhat foolish on that thread
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No way. We need to wait and see what State Farm can do for us.
Thank you
Sure Jones is "tough" but so are most NFL QBs.
I'm tired of hearing about how Jones is "tough" and "hard working" but I guess those are the only compliments he deserves for his play to date.
When Giants' fans talk about Jones in this manner it reminds me of a guy describing a blind date to one of his friends by saying, "she has a great personality".
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Cant wait to see how quickly they turn on him!
No way. We need to wait and see what State Farm can do for us.
The Giants should probably give Fromm about 35 games to fully evaluate what they have in him....to see if he's "the guy".
Also Jones didn't tell anyone until Monday, and played the rest of the game. I thought the accuracy was weirdly off, but I didn't suspect an injury. The coaching staff didn't know. Jones by his own admission did not realize until monday. That could be bullshit, but that is what i have read.
Also, toughness is a quality to be praised in a football player. We admired it in Eli and Simms. The willingness to play through pain.
If Jones misses an extended period of time — comparing a Jones Giants team vs. a Glennon Giants team can give you a wealth of info on who Jones is.
Plays next game.
If Jones misses an extended period of time — comparing a Jones Giants team vs. a Glennon Giants team can give you a wealth of info on who Jones is.
Colt McCoy played like crap.
Plays in Arizona, looks like Dan Fouts.
He hasn't played QB since high school
Plays in Arizona, looks like Dan Fouts.
Exactly. The Cardinals are learning their offense is more a product of Kingsbury than Murray.
It’s up to them if they have the guts to use those learnings when extending Murray.
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I know he's not healthy rn so it's kind of pointless at the moment but I'm going to keep beating this drum... I'd rather see Toney playing QB than Glennon. True 11 v 11 football. RPO/Wildcat/Read option/QB Power football. Let him get 20 passing attempts and 20 carries. Lamar Jackson/Taysom Hill style of play.
He hasn't played QB since high school
He also didn't practice Thursday. KT can't stay on the field either
Probably still better than what we can get from Jones and Glennon lol
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Colt McCoy played like crap.
Plays in Arizona, looks like Dan Fouts.
Exactly. The Cardinals are learning their offense is more a product of Kingsbury than Murray.
It’s up to them if they have the guts to use those learnings when extending Murray.
Baltimore is also staring down another Flacco albatross contract with Jackson.
Fromm is going to be starting for us soon.
They need to get him up to speed…
If Jones is done for the season, there is no way the Giants go into 2022 feeling good about their QB situation. Not just from an injury-prone player perspective, but because Jones simply didn't play all that well (regardless of the reasons).
Yep, and there are two diverging options ... bring in some legit competition and push Jones, or extend his scholarship and pick up his option (fuck no for me, but the Giants could let themselves fall into the trap again). I doubt they decide Jones isn't the guy if he's not in there due to injury for an extended time.
Why wouldn’t there be? He’s an unknown, was drafted in the 5th round. Glennon has no future here, let’s see what he can do. Look at Taylor Heinicke.
Commence hype train. Choo choo motherfuckers.
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problem here is this:
If Jones is done for the season, there is no way the Giants go into 2022 feeling good about their QB situation. Not just from an injury-prone player perspective, but because Jones simply didn't play all that well (regardless of the reasons).
Yep, and there are two diverging options ... bring in some legit competition and push Jones, or extend his scholarship and pick up his option (fuck no for me, but the Giants could let themselves fall into the trap again). I doubt they decide Jones isn't the guy if he's not in there due to injury for an extended time.
This might be when we learn how Judge actually feels about Jones.
Hes an "unknown". He hasn't sucked yet in blue. Everyone already thinks Glennon stinks
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problem here is this:
If Jones is done for the season, there is no way the Giants go into 2022 feeling good about their QB situation. Not just from an injury-prone player perspective, but because Jones simply didn't play all that well (regardless of the reasons).
Yep, and there are two diverging options ... bring in some legit competition and push Jones, or extend his scholarship and pick up his option (fuck no for me, but the Giants could let themselves fall into the trap again). I doubt they decide Jones isn't the guy if he's not in there due to injury for an extended time.
Two things are relatively certain:
(1) Jones will come back next season because his cap hit is only about $8M IIRC.
(2) The Giants won't pick up his fifth year option. That would be about $20M IIRC. Aside from the fact that his play doesn't justify doing so, we will begin to get out of many of the terrible contracts DG has saddled us with in 2023. I'd rather not prospectively use that cap space by picking up the fifth year option for Jones, and my guess is that the new GM will not either. That is especially true if the new GM is from outside the organization.
If they did it would be wildly irresponsible. It would really cement the view that the Giants don’t try to win. There is no reason to pick up the option. None. Even Phil Simms came out and said he wouldn’t.
Judge didn't pick Jones. He inherited him along with Getty. Here is a quick 12 step plan for Giants ownership:
Step 1 - Fire Getty.
Step 2 - Pick GM from outside building (ignore Stranger Danger).
Step 3 - Let GM evaluate and make decision on QB situation
Step 4 - Let GM determine if Judge can finally establish some sort of identity on offense besides Garrett's dog-eared Cowboys playbook from 2008.
Step 5 - Let GM put together greatest draft of all time to restore Giants D and OL to the glory of halcyon days of yore.
Step 6 - Win Super Bowl
Step 7 - Get drunk.
Step 8 - Give virtual high-fives and bro hugs to all the posters on BBI.
Step 9 - Wash
Step 10 - Rinse
Step 11 - Repeat
Step 12 - Let 4th generation Maras screw it all up again.
If gettleman stays in the building, I could see it. Important to remember what big fans Mara and others are of Jones as well. They like him as a person and want to believe in him.