that the less Jones plays due to injury, the more cover Mara has to stay with Jones in '22. This season will be deemed incomplete and Jones will be granted a stay of execution...
If the Giants hire a new GM and he puts on the tape of the all 22
from the past 3 years and decides he wants to give Daniel Jones 20M for a 5th year this off season IMO the Giants will have sunk to the lowest level of my fandom life which goes back to 1965. If the Mara brothers force a new GM to keep Jones and pick up the option he should quit or at least tell everyone like Cashman did when Randy Levine traded for Randy Jonson and signed Rafael Soriano.
The demand for QBs around the league is enormous. Look at what Darnold (who isn't appreciably better than Jones) got the Jets in trade.
I'm sure there's a team that would part with at least a third round pick based on their college scouting of Jones and a belief that Jones was a victim of shitty surroundings on a dysfunctional team.
I'm not sure they can get a third for Jones at this juncture. I'd love it if they could. But Jones was over-drafted from the jump. Many had a 2nd or 3rd round grade on him in 2019. I don't think there are going to be many teams who want to pay a third for a 3rd round grade prospect who played like a 3rd round grade prospect heading into year 4.
that the less Jones plays due to injury, the more cover Mara has to stay with Jones in '22. This season will be deemed incomplete and Jones will be granted a stay of execution...
I don't necessarily agree with that. I think a lot will ride on what a new GM (hopefully not Abrams) thinks.
I think, suspect anyway, that Judge was a Mara decision via BB input and that DG was not in line with that and thus JG was brought on board. Mara is loyal, to a fault, and kept DG around and thus DG, JG and Daniel Jones were all sort of tied together. I think Judge, who still has to prove he belongs, has been in a quiet power struggle over what HE wants in his team. JG is gone and soon will be DG. If the Giants win some games with Glennon Judge will have the proof he needs that Jones wasn't the guy and needs to go as well.
Conjecture for sure but, there is definitely some smoke there and I think if Judge is going to get a full try (I still think BB and his opinion carries weight with the Mara's) it will be with a GM who works with him and with a QB of his choosing.
It’s up to them if they have the guts to use those learnings when extending Murray.
Don’t be ridiculous, of course they will pick up Murray’s option and negotiate an extension. McCoy played well, but there was a definite lack of the explosiveness Murray provides.
You misread what I posted. Yes, they will extend Murray. But will they have the guts to use what they know to better protect themselves in the guarantees and incentives.
If I can live without a guy, I’m not guaranteeing him the same money as a guy I can’t live without.
that the less Jones plays due to injury, the more cover Mara has to stay with Jones in '22. This season will be deemed incomplete and Jones will be granted a stay of execution...
The thought has entered my head.
There are a few teams that will be in the QB market..
that the less Jones plays due to injury, the more cover Mara has to stay with Jones in '22. This season will be deemed incomplete and Jones will be granted a stay of execution...
But as I pointed out in a game preview a few weeks ago, he doesn't seem to be able to make good decisions. As much as Giants fans make fun of Dan Snyder, John Mara is developing a similar track record.
I know he's not healthy rn so it's kind of pointless at the moment but I'm going to keep beating this drum... I'd rather see Toney playing QB than Glennon. True 11 v 11 football. RPO/Wildcat/Read option/QB Power football. Let him get 20 passing attempts and 20 carries. Lamar Jackson/Taysom Hill style of play.
He hasn't played QB since high school
PLUS- look at Hill and look at Toney.. Toney would get KILLED at QB, especially with our line. Hill could be a RB or TE with his build.
Toney is 1000x more evasive than Hill... and probably even throws it better.
The demand for QBs around the league is enormous. Look at what Darnold (who isn't appreciably better than Jones) got the Jets in trade.
I'm sure there's a team that would part with at least a third round pick based on their college scouting of Jones and a belief that Jones was a victim of shitty surroundings on a dysfunctional team.
If you can see that Jones is a mess ... so can every other NFL front office and personnel person.
The recent string of high draft pick traded as retreads isn't exactly helping the NYG's cause either: ie Darnold/Goff/Rosen.
Don' tell me Arena league Judge knew all along that jones would not play but let him practice to try and trick the Dolphins or some shit.
Why didn't Glennon get all the practice? Even beliichek doesn't expect QBs to play well when they share practice.
So Glennon has started in about a seasons worth of games fewer than Jones has and, we're all curious about a lte round practice squad player can do from another team? This place sometimes....if you weren't ready to close the book on Jones 10 games ago -- and I am not saying you should n't have since it was pretty much the same as last season -- why are you ready to close the book on Glennon ?
that neck injury and the signing of Fromm says it all. Giant Brass are not going to wait on a neck to heal...there is probably something structurally wrong with it
RE: Obviously let Glennon start on sunday but Giants
because they should want to see how Fromm looks in live games with the offense.
There will be a season next year too...
Why?
What are you expecting Tom Brady from a 6th round pick? And without a Belichek developing him? He is another teams practice squad player? Shoot there are people here willing to give Jones 4 years to see what he can do. How about giving Glennon more than 1.5 season before we make our minds up.
The demand for QBs around the league is enormous. Look at what Darnold (who isn't appreciably better than Jones) got the Jets in trade.
I'm sure there's a team that would part with at least a third round pick based on their college scouting of Jones and a belief that Jones was a victim of shitty surroundings on a dysfunctional team.
I don’t think this is Jones’ decision. This is the Giants medical team making the call. You don’t mess around with neck injuries
Eli was like a Cal Ripken freak with his durability but he also played a different way. Jones in 3.5 years has almost double the rushing yards as Eli did in his 16 years….which is great for moving the chains but higher risk for injuries.
and needs to be treated as such team wise. We are looking for our QB of 2022 and I think that QB is already in the league starting for another team or should be starting if all things were equal.
RE: RE: Obviously let Glennon start on sunday but Giants
because they should want to see how Fromm looks in live games with the offense.
There will be a season next year too...
Why?
What are you expecting Tom Brady from a 6th round pick? And without a Belichek developing him? He is another teams practice squad player? Shoot there are people here willing to give Jones 4 years to see what he can do. How about giving Glennon more than 1.5 season before we make our minds up.
Don't be a dink with the Tom Brady stuff. That's not the point
And Glennon has been in the NFL for years with like 6 different teams. He is a known quantity and that is being a back-up QB.
Fromm may amount to little, but we should check it out first. Hell, if he shows decently, we can keep him and dump Glennon next year as back up.
and needs to be treated as such team wise. We are looking for our QB of 2022 and I think that QB is already in the league starting for another team or should be starting if all things were equal.
and needs to be treated as such team wise. We are looking for our QB of 2022 and I think that QB is already in the league starting for another team or should be starting if all things were equal.
Agree Frohm is nobody.
Lets see if Fromm isn't...
ahh yes, the humor.. Point is the same, anyone counting on him or even thinking he is in the mix is downright crazy. There is a reason he dropped so far in the draft.
and needs to be treated as such team wise. We are looking for our QB of 2022 and I think that QB is already in the league starting for another team or should be starting if all things were equal.
Agree Frohm is nobody.
Lets see if Fromm isn't...
ahh yes, the humor.. Point is the same, anyone counting on him or even thinking he is in the mix is downright crazy. There is a reason he dropped so far in the draft.
Don't be a chucklehead. Who the hell is counting on him for anything?
Not sure what the in the mix means, but right now he is on the QB depth chart with some of the worst QBs in the league ahead of him. So you may be surprised how little it takes to move up it...
But as I pointed out in a game preview a few weeks ago, he doesn't seem to be able to make good decisions. As much as Giants fans make fun of Dan Snyder, John Mara is developing a similar track record.
Totally agree. And insisting on drafting Haskins may have been Snyder's last disastrous move as an owner. We likely haven't seen the last of Mara's disastrous interference.
that the less Jones plays due to injury, the more cover Mara has to stay with Jones in '22. This season will be deemed incomplete and Jones will be granted a stay of execution...
The thought has entered my head.
If Mara has been willing to keep the worst GM in football for four years, doesn't seem a stretch to keep Jones.
that the less Jones plays due to injury, the more cover Mara has to stay with Jones in '22. This season will be deemed incomplete and Jones will be granted a stay of execution...
The thought has entered my head.
If Mara has been willing to keep the worst GM in football for four years, doesn't seem a stretch to keep Jones.
Gettleman’s retirement will be the annual bone tossed to angry fans. Jones will be after 2022, Judge after 2023, and the cycle continues until Tisch takes Mara to court
The demand for QBs around the league is enormous. Look at what Darnold (who isn't appreciably better than Jones) got the Jets in trade.
I'm sure there's a team that would part with at least a third round pick based on their college scouting of Jones and a belief that Jones was a victim of shitty surroundings on a dysfunctional team.
I'm not sure they can get a third for Jones at this juncture. I'd love it if they could. But Jones was over-drafted from the jump. Many had a 2nd or 3rd round grade on him in 2019. I don't think there are going to be many teams who want to pay a third for a 3rd round grade prospect who played like a 3rd round grade prospect heading into year 4.
Crazy talk. 3rd or 4th at best because they don't know what the hell they have either when he's forced to play behind this garbage OL and playmakers injured most of the season.
The demand for QBs around the league is enormous. Look at what Darnold (who isn't appreciably better than Jones) got the Jets in trade.
I'm sure there's a team that would part with at least a third round pick based on their college scouting of Jones and a belief that Jones was a victim of shitty surroundings on a dysfunctional team.
Not even a question. I would bet we could get at least a 2nd.
that the less Jones plays due to injury, the more cover Mara has to stay with Jones in '22. This season will be deemed incomplete and Jones will be granted a stay of execution...
I don't necessarily agree with that. I think a lot will ride on what a new GM (hopefully not Abrams) thinks.
I think, suspect anyway, that Judge was a Mara decision via BB input and that DG was not in line with that and thus JG was brought on board. Mara is loyal, to a fault, and kept DG around and thus DG, JG and Daniel Jones were all sort of tied together. I think Judge, who still has to prove he belongs, has been in a quiet power struggle over what HE wants in his team. JG is gone and soon will be DG. If the Giants win some games with Glennon Judge will have the proof he needs that Jones wasn't the guy and needs to go as well.
Conjecture for sure but, there is definitely some smoke there and I think if Judge is going to get a full try (I still think BB and his opinion carries weight with the Mara's) it will be with a GM who works with him and with a QB of his choosing.
Under that theory, Judge doesn't even have to win the games, just show that production is the same, meaning Jones is indistinguishable from a journeyman backup.
I may be as lazy as a bucket of white mice but what play are we talking about that Jones was hurt? Was this early in the game against the Eagles? Because I missed most of all of the first half except the last play.
Reporters said they felt it was early in the game; Jones said he didn't know when it happened.
The play that stuck out in my mind was when he got shoved to the ground backwards from a rollout and camera showed him looking up quizzically for the RTP call. Broadcast team thought it was RTP. It didn’t look too bad at the time, but I remember thinking “hope he’s all right”.
That would be something interesting to look forward to in an otherwise bleak season. I hope they can get a start out two out of him before the season is out.
Tough to see the Giants picking up Jones's option.
They don’t have to pick up his option. If he s here next season, I still think that s the biggest probability, they can allow him to play out the season and decide to franchise him if they want.
That would be something interesting to look forward to in an otherwise bleak season. I hope they can get a start out two out of him before the season is out.
Tough to see the Giants picking up Jones's option.
They don’t have to pick up his option. If he s here next season, I still think that s the biggest probability, they can allow him to play out the season and decide to franchise him if they want.
What is this talk of franchising? Isn't franchising an average of the top 5 QB salaries in the league? Won't that be like $35M. Forget it. That's never going to happen.
They can let him playout his current contract in 2022 or try to trade him before the draft to pick up additional picks.
The 2022 QB class is rated as average right now so DJ maybe attractive to a team in need of a QB.
That would be something interesting to look forward to in an otherwise bleak season. I hope they can get a start out two out of him before the season is out.
Tough to see the Giants picking up Jones's option.
They don’t have to pick up his option. If he s here next season, I still think that s the biggest probability, they can allow him to play out the season and decide to franchise him if they want.
No, the experiment and scholarship is over. Time for somebody who actually can play the position consistently well and lift this team.
that the less Jones plays due to injury, the more cover Mara has to stay with Jones in '22. This season will be deemed incomplete and Jones will be granted a stay of execution...
I don't necessarily agree with that. I think a lot will ride on what a new GM (hopefully not Abrams) thinks.
I think, suspect anyway, that Judge was a Mara decision via BB input and that DG was not in line with that and thus JG was brought on board. Mara is loyal, to a fault, and kept DG around and thus DG, JG and Daniel Jones were all sort of tied together. I think Judge, who still has to prove he belongs, has been in a quiet power struggle over what HE wants in his team. JG is gone and soon will be DG. If the Giants win some games with Glennon Judge will have the proof he needs that Jones wasn't the guy and needs to go as well.
Conjecture for sure but, there is definitely some smoke there and I think if Judge is going to get a full try (I still think BB and his opinion carries weight with the Mara's) it will be with a GM who works with him and with a QB of his choosing.
I think that's a reasonable theory (bold above).
Despite his coach-speak supporting Jones, I've never bought in that Jones was fully invested in Jones. He's seen what quality QBing looks like and Jones is a few solar systems away from that. At least I hope he thinks that... ;)
It's interesting looking back at the Judge hire. While BB may have endorsed the hire - why wouldn't he for one of his staff, right? - we were competing against Miss State for the chance to hire a guy who had never worn the HC headset at any level. That was some serious risk.
I supported the hire and was seeing good stuff with Judge. But I'm drifting away from the guy. His act is wearing thin and he needs to show his is more than a guy well-rehearsed at giving good answers.
RE: RE: RE: Obviously let Glennon start on sunday but Giants
because they should want to see how Fromm looks in live games with the offense.
There will be a season next year too...
Why?
What are you expecting Tom Brady from a 6th round pick? And without a Belichek developing him? He is another teams practice squad player? Shoot there are people here willing to give Jones 4 years to see what he can do. How about giving Glennon more than 1.5 season before we make our minds up.
Don't be a dink with the Tom Brady stuff. That's not the point
And Glennon has been in the NFL for years with like 6 different teams. He is a known quantity and that is being a back-up QB.
Fromm may amount to little, but we should check it out first. Hell, if he shows decently, we can keep him and dump Glennon next year as back up.
He is a known quantity despite playing about a dozen fewer games than Jones; who up till yesterday was not a non quantity?
Was Kurt Warner a known quantity when he was playing for some arena team and working at a super market? How about a Tony Romo an undrafted guy who I have no idea where they found him.
So Framm becomes a giant for a day and he gets to bypass someone who has not even played a snap on this team w full practice. There are a lot of 6 th round picks playing on practice squads .
(these all devolve into the same dialectic and debate between the same performers) but my referee assignor (big Giants' fan) said he heard that the injury might be season ending. Again, apologies if broached above. If so, that ups the ante for the '22 debate.
This season's version of Scott Brunner. People will be clamoring for him until they realize he just isn't very good.
Straw man, how ya doing.. Nobody's clamoring for Glennon. We know he's probably garbage. We're tired of watching #8 play subpar QB and then 20% of posters here say, actually Jones is really good.
This season's version of Scott Brunner. People will be clamoring for him until they realize he just isn't very good.
Straw man, how ya doing.. Nobody's clamoring for Glennon. We know he's probably garbage. We're tired of watching #8 play subpar QB and then 20% of posters here say, actually Jones is really good.
Terps said something similar the other day. I really don't enjoy anything about watching Jones playing QB. He's an accident waiting to happen. That might work if you are watching a NASCAR race, but it's the last thing I want watching a QB play...
I'm sure there's a team that would part with at least a third round pick based on their college scouting of Jones and a belief that Jones was a victim of shitty surroundings on a dysfunctional team.
I'm not sure they can get a third for Jones at this juncture. I'd love it if they could. But Jones was over-drafted from the jump. Many had a 2nd or 3rd round grade on him in 2019. I don't think there are going to be many teams who want to pay a third for a 3rd round grade prospect who played like a 3rd round grade prospect heading into year 4.
I don't necessarily agree with that. I think a lot will ride on what a new GM (hopefully not Abrams) thinks.
I think, suspect anyway, that Judge was a Mara decision via BB input and that DG was not in line with that and thus JG was brought on board. Mara is loyal, to a fault, and kept DG around and thus DG, JG and Daniel Jones were all sort of tied together. I think Judge, who still has to prove he belongs, has been in a quiet power struggle over what HE wants in his team. JG is gone and soon will be DG. If the Giants win some games with Glennon Judge will have the proof he needs that Jones wasn't the guy and needs to go as well.
Conjecture for sure but, there is definitely some smoke there and I think if Judge is going to get a full try (I still think BB and his opinion carries weight with the Mara's) it will be with a GM who works with him and with a QB of his choosing.
Don’t be ridiculous, of course they will pick up Murray’s option and negotiate an extension. McCoy played well, but there was a definite lack of the explosiveness Murray provides.
You misread what I posted. Yes, they will extend Murray. But will they have the guts to use what they know to better protect themselves in the guarantees and incentives.
If I can live without a guy, I’m not guaranteeing him the same money as a guy I can’t live without.
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To move forward with regardless of what you think about his talent level. You can’t put the franchise on a guy missing 4+ games a year.
He’s a placeholder in 22 and that’s it.
Kylar Murray has not played in a month. Same standard?
Kyler Murray started the first 40 games of his NFL career and scored 81 TDs. So yes, let's hold Jones to those standards.
LB Trent Harris (Ankle)
DB Adoree Jackson (Quad)
TE Kaden Smith (Knee)
QB Daniel Jones (Neck)
DOUBTFUL:
WR Sterling Shepard (Quad)
WR Kadarius Toney (Oblique/Quad)
QUESTIONABLE:
FB Cullen Gillaspia (Calf)
WR John Ross (Illness/Quad)
TE Kyle Rudolph (Ankle)
T Nate Solder (Elbow)
The thought has entered my head.
WFT
Carolina
New Orleans
Pittsburgh
Houston
Denver
Then there are teams like Atlanta and Detroit which could potentially be looking at QB. I definitely think Jones could net a 3rd round pick.
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that the less Jones plays due to injury, the more cover Mara has to stay with Jones in '22. This season will be deemed incomplete and Jones will be granted a stay of execution...
The thought has entered my head.
Does Mara want to win?
But as I pointed out in a game preview a few weeks ago, he doesn't seem to be able to make good decisions. As much as Giants fans make fun of Dan Snyder, John Mara is developing a similar track record.
The comments will be
Daniel Jones sucks, and a series of other negative comments about him.
No wonder BBI has lost so many great posters.
BBI has reached a new level of DOUCHE with the Jones hate mongers, now that it appears DG will be gone.
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I know he's not healthy rn so it's kind of pointless at the moment but I'm going to keep beating this drum... I'd rather see Toney playing QB than Glennon. True 11 v 11 football. RPO/Wildcat/Read option/QB Power football. Let him get 20 passing attempts and 20 carries. Lamar Jackson/Taysom Hill style of play.
He hasn't played QB since high school
PLUS- look at Hill and look at Toney.. Toney would get KILLED at QB, especially with our line. Hill could be a RB or TE with his build.
Toney is 1000x more evasive than Hill... and probably even throws it better.
I'm sure there's a team that would part with at least a third round pick based on their college scouting of Jones and a belief that Jones was a victim of shitty surroundings on a dysfunctional team.
If you can see that Jones is a mess ... so can every other NFL front office and personnel person.
The recent string of high draft pick traded as retreads isn't exactly helping the NYG's cause either: ie Darnold/Goff/Rosen.
The comments will be
Daniel Jones sucks, and a series of other negative comments about him.
No wonder BBI has lost so many great posters.
BBI has reached a new level of DOUCHE with the Jones hate mongers, now that it appears DG will be gone.
You do know this is a Daniel Jones thread?
Merry Christmas Joe.
Why didn't Glennon get all the practice? Even beliichek doesn't expect QBs to play well when they share practice.
So Glennon has started in about a seasons worth of games fewer than Jones has and, we're all curious about a lte round practice squad player can do from another team? This place sometimes....if you weren't ready to close the book on Jones 10 games ago -- and I am not saying you should n't have since it was pretty much the same as last season -- why are you ready to close the book on Glennon ?
First, because he needs to be ready to play if needed. But also because they should want to see how Fromm looks in live games with the offense.
There will be a season next year too...
There will be a season next year too...
Why?
What are you expecting Tom Brady from a 6th round pick? And without a Belichek developing him? He is another teams practice squad player? Shoot there are people here willing to give Jones 4 years to see what he can do. How about giving Glennon more than 1.5 season before we make our minds up.
I'm sure there's a team that would part with at least a third round pick based on their college scouting of Jones and a belief that Jones was a victim of shitty surroundings on a dysfunctional team.
Not if they are reading your posts.
Eli was like a Cal Ripken freak with his durability but he also played a different way. Jones in 3.5 years has almost double the rushing yards as Eli did in his 16 years….which is great for moving the chains but higher risk for injuries.
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because they should want to see how Fromm looks in live games with the offense.
There will be a season next year too...
Why?
What are you expecting Tom Brady from a 6th round pick? And without a Belichek developing him? He is another teams practice squad player? Shoot there are people here willing to give Jones 4 years to see what he can do. How about giving Glennon more than 1.5 season before we make our minds up.
Don't be a dink with the Tom Brady stuff. That's not the point
And Glennon has been in the NFL for years with like 6 different teams. He is a known quantity and that is being a back-up QB.
Fromm may amount to little, but we should check it out first. Hell, if he shows decently, we can keep him and dump Glennon next year as back up.
Agree Frohm is nobody.
Lets see if Fromm isn't...
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and needs to be treated as such team wise. We are looking for our QB of 2022 and I think that QB is already in the league starting for another team or should be starting if all things were equal.
Agree Frohm is nobody.
Lets see if Fromm isn't...
ahh yes, the humor.. Point is the same, anyone counting on him or even thinking he is in the mix is downright crazy. There is a reason he dropped so far in the draft.
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and needs to be treated as such team wise. We are looking for our QB of 2022 and I think that QB is already in the league starting for another team or should be starting if all things were equal.
Agree Frohm is nobody.
Lets see if Fromm isn't...
ahh yes, the humor.. Point is the same, anyone counting on him or even thinking he is in the mix is downright crazy. There is a reason he dropped so far in the draft.
Don't be a chucklehead. Who the hell is counting on him for anything?
Not sure what the in the mix means, but right now he is on the QB depth chart with some of the worst QBs in the league ahead of him. So you may be surprised how little it takes to move up it...
LB Trent Harris (Ankle)
DB Adoree Jackson (Quad)
TE Kaden Smith (Knee)
QB Daniel Jones (Neck)
DOUBTFUL:
WR Sterling Shepard (Quad)
WR Kadarius Toney (Oblique/Quad)
QUESTIONABLE:
FB Cullen Gillaspia (Calf)
WR John Ross (Illness/Quad)
TE Kyle Rudolph (Ankle)
T Nate Solder (Elbow)
Solder is questionable. What if he can't play and they trot out Cunningham instead of Peart to play RT?
But as I pointed out in a game preview a few weeks ago, he doesn't seem to be able to make good decisions. As much as Giants fans make fun of Dan Snyder, John Mara is developing a similar track record.
Totally agree. And insisting on drafting Haskins may have been Snyder's last disastrous move as an owner. We likely haven't seen the last of Mara's disastrous interference.
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that the less Jones plays due to injury, the more cover Mara has to stay with Jones in '22. This season will be deemed incomplete and Jones will be granted a stay of execution...
The thought has entered my head.
If Mara has been willing to keep the worst GM in football for four years, doesn't seem a stretch to keep Jones.
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that the less Jones plays due to injury, the more cover Mara has to stay with Jones in '22. This season will be deemed incomplete and Jones will be granted a stay of execution...
The thought has entered my head.
If Mara has been willing to keep the worst GM in football for four years, doesn't seem a stretch to keep Jones.
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Figure out what Arena League team he's going to be on and you can probably watch the games on Face Book.
Poor Saquon starts loosening up and BOOM the freak ankle injury.
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each and every year is frankly amazing to me and unlike anything I've seen in recent memory.
How many years do I have to keep waiting for a winning Giants team again where accountability and development matters?
What is this scholarship Jones is on and where I can get one in my life?
Trying to justify the #6 overall pick.
Oh, and see the Barkley situation also...
Nice mess we're in
Why couldn't DJ elevate the worst OL in team history with a battery of receivers fresh off the practice squad and street?
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The demand for QBs around the league is enormous. Look at what Darnold (who isn't appreciably better than Jones) got the Jets in trade.
I'm sure there's a team that would part with at least a third round pick based on their college scouting of Jones and a belief that Jones was a victim of shitty surroundings on a dysfunctional team.
I'm not sure they can get a third for Jones at this juncture. I'd love it if they could. But Jones was over-drafted from the jump. Many had a 2nd or 3rd round grade on him in 2019. I don't think there are going to be many teams who want to pay a third for a 3rd round grade prospect who played like a 3rd round grade prospect heading into year 4.
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The demand for QBs around the league is enormous. Look at what Darnold (who isn't appreciably better than Jones) got the Jets in trade.
I'm sure there's a team that would part with at least a third round pick based on their college scouting of Jones and a belief that Jones was a victim of shitty surroundings on a dysfunctional team.
Not even a question. I would bet we could get at least a 2nd.
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that the less Jones plays due to injury, the more cover Mara has to stay with Jones in '22. This season will be deemed incomplete and Jones will be granted a stay of execution...
I don't necessarily agree with that. I think a lot will ride on what a new GM (hopefully not Abrams) thinks.
I think, suspect anyway, that Judge was a Mara decision via BB input and that DG was not in line with that and thus JG was brought on board. Mara is loyal, to a fault, and kept DG around and thus DG, JG and Daniel Jones were all sort of tied together. I think Judge, who still has to prove he belongs, has been in a quiet power struggle over what HE wants in his team. JG is gone and soon will be DG. If the Giants win some games with Glennon Judge will have the proof he needs that Jones wasn't the guy and needs to go as well.
Conjecture for sure but, there is definitely some smoke there and I think if Judge is going to get a full try (I still think BB and his opinion carries weight with the Mara's) it will be with a GM who works with him and with a QB of his choosing.
Under that theory, Judge doesn't even have to win the games, just show that production is the same, meaning Jones is indistinguishable from a journeyman backup.
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LB Trent Harris (Ankle)
DB Adoree Jackson (Quad)
TE Kaden Smith (Knee)
QB Daniel Jones (Neck)
DOUBTFUL:
WR Sterling Shepard (Quad)
WR Kadarius Toney (Oblique/Quad)
QUESTIONABLE:
FB Cullen Gillaspia (Calf)
WR John Ross (Illness/Quad)
TE Kyle Rudolph (Ankle)
T Nate Solder (Elbow)
Solder is questionable. What if he can't play and they trot out Cunningham instead of Peart to play RT?
Given Sale's comments this week, this is a good possibility.
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I may be as lazy as a bucket of white mice but what play are we talking about that Jones was hurt? Was this early in the game against the Eagles? Because I missed most of all of the first half except the last play.
Reporters said they felt it was early in the game; Jones said he didn't know when it happened.
The play that stuck out in my mind was when he got shoved to the ground backwards from a rollout and camera showed him looking up quizzically for the RTP call. Broadcast team thought it was RTP. It didn’t look too bad at the time, but I remember thinking “hope he’s all right”.
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That would be something interesting to look forward to in an otherwise bleak season. I hope they can get a start out two out of him before the season is out.
Tough to see the Giants picking up Jones's option.
They don’t have to pick up his option. If he s here next season, I still think that s the biggest probability, they can allow him to play out the season and decide to franchise him if they want.
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That would be something interesting to look forward to in an otherwise bleak season. I hope they can get a start out two out of him before the season is out.
Tough to see the Giants picking up Jones's option.
They don’t have to pick up his option. If he s here next season, I still think that s the biggest probability, they can allow him to play out the season and decide to franchise him if they want.
What is this talk of franchising? Isn't franchising an average of the top 5 QB salaries in the league? Won't that be like $35M. Forget it. That's never going to happen.
The 2022 QB class is rated as average right now so DJ maybe attractive to a team in need of a QB.
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That would be something interesting to look forward to in an otherwise bleak season. I hope they can get a start out two out of him before the season is out.
Tough to see the Giants picking up Jones's option.
They don’t have to pick up his option. If he s here next season, I still think that s the biggest probability, they can allow him to play out the season and decide to franchise him if they want.
No, the experiment and scholarship is over. Time for somebody who actually can play the position consistently well and lift this team.
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that the less Jones plays due to injury, the more cover Mara has to stay with Jones in '22. This season will be deemed incomplete and Jones will be granted a stay of execution...
I don't necessarily agree with that. I think a lot will ride on what a new GM (hopefully not Abrams) thinks.
I think, suspect anyway, that Judge was a Mara decision via BB input and that DG was not in line with that and thus JG was brought on board. Mara is loyal, to a fault, and kept DG around and thus DG, JG and Daniel Jones were all sort of tied together. I think Judge, who still has to prove he belongs, has been in a quiet power struggle over what HE wants in his team. JG is gone and soon will be DG. If the Giants win some games with Glennon Judge will have the proof he needs that Jones wasn't the guy and needs to go as well.
Conjecture for sure but, there is definitely some smoke there and I think if Judge is going to get a full try (I still think BB and his opinion carries weight with the Mara's) it will be with a GM who works with him and with a QB of his choosing.
I think that's a reasonable theory (bold above).
Despite his coach-speak supporting Jones, I've never bought in that Jones was fully invested in Jones. He's seen what quality QBing looks like and Jones is a few solar systems away from that. At least I hope he thinks that... ;)
It's interesting looking back at the Judge hire. While BB may have endorsed the hire - why wouldn't he for one of his staff, right? - we were competing against Miss State for the chance to hire a guy who had never worn the HC headset at any level. That was some serious risk.
I supported the hire and was seeing good stuff with Judge. But I'm drifting away from the guy. His act is wearing thin and he needs to show his is more than a guy well-rehearsed at giving good answers.
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because they should want to see how Fromm looks in live games with the offense.
There will be a season next year too...
Why?
What are you expecting Tom Brady from a 6th round pick? And without a Belichek developing him? He is another teams practice squad player? Shoot there are people here willing to give Jones 4 years to see what he can do. How about giving Glennon more than 1.5 season before we make our minds up.
Don't be a dink with the Tom Brady stuff. That's not the point
And Glennon has been in the NFL for years with like 6 different teams. He is a known quantity and that is being a back-up QB.
Fromm may amount to little, but we should check it out first. Hell, if he shows decently, we can keep him and dump Glennon next year as back up.
He is a known quantity despite playing about a dozen fewer games than Jones; who up till yesterday was not a non quantity?
Was Kurt Warner a known quantity when he was playing for some arena team and working at a super market? How about a Tony Romo an undrafted guy who I have no idea where they found him.
So Framm becomes a giant for a day and he gets to bypass someone who has not even played a snap on this team w full practice. There are a lot of 6 th round picks playing on practice squads .
Straw man, how ya doing.. Nobody's clamoring for Glennon. We know he's probably garbage. We're tired of watching #8 play subpar QB and then 20% of posters here say, actually Jones is really good.
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This season's version of Scott Brunner. People will be clamoring for him until they realize he just isn't very good.
Straw man, how ya doing.. Nobody's clamoring for Glennon. We know he's probably garbage. We're tired of watching #8 play subpar QB and then 20% of posters here say, actually Jones is really good.
Terps said something similar the other day. I really don't enjoy anything about watching Jones playing QB. He's an accident waiting to happen. That might work if you are watching a NASCAR race, but it's the last thing I want watching a QB play...