I am not sure having 2 Eagles drop game winning passes was the best thing for our franchise. Hate the Eagles and it was great to win a game but long term we need to be at the top of the draft. Watching the Thursday night game did anyone wonder how we did not take Parsons when we needed better LB's and a pass rusher? We traded down and Toney has 0 TD's. Maybe with the first rd. pick added we can find a QB in the next draft. Otherwise trade Sam Beal for Mike White. What do we have to lose?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Obviously let Glennon start on sunday but Giants
because they should want to see how Fromm looks in live games with the offense.
There will be a season next year too...
Why?
What are you expecting Tom Brady from a 6th round pick? And without a Belichek developing him? He is another teams practice squad player? Shoot there are people here willing to give Jones 4 years to see what he can do. How about giving Glennon more than 1.5 season before we make our minds up.
Don't be a dink with the Tom Brady stuff. That's not the point
And Glennon has been in the NFL for years with like 6 different teams. He is a known quantity and that is being a back-up QB.
Fromm may amount to little, but we should check it out first. Hell, if he shows decently, we can keep him and dump Glennon next year as back up.
He is a known quantity despite playing about a dozen fewer games than Jones; who up till yesterday was not a non quantity?
Was Kurt Warner a known quantity when he was playing for some arena team and working at a super market? How about a Tony Romo an undrafted guy who I have no idea where they found him.
So Framm becomes a giant for a day and he gets to bypass someone who has not even played a snap on this team w full practice. There are a lot of 6 th round picks playing on practice squads .
What the hell are you babbling about?
Glennon is a 32 year backup NFL QB...that has been established based on his career. Jones is out and Glennon is the backup and he will start on Sunday. Who's bypassing him?
Fromm (and the coaches) should get himself ready to play asap because he might have to of something happens to Glennon. And because he might get his chance anyway this season.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Obviously let Glennon start on sunday but Giants
Glennon is a 32 year backup NFL QB...that has been established based on his career. Jones is out and Glennon is the backup and he will start on Sunday. Who's bypassing him?
Fromm (and the coaches) should get himself ready to play asap because he might have to of something happens to Glennon. And because he might get his chance anyway this season.
You don't get what circumstantial evidence means? Glennon is a back-up because he is but, hey there is this guy on a the Bills practice squad who needs to get some playing time because? Ok I can say that too... Fromm is a 6th round pick and deserves to be a perm practice squad player because he is.
Again Glennon has not played much. I expect him to stink up the place but he seems more promising for some crazy thing to happen like a cinderalla story than Fromm ; a Bills practice squad player.
We've seen Glennon suck. Fromm is like picking what's behind door #1
on 8's neck, because if its anything like the Mannings have had (Peyton and Cooper).......the new GM needs to add a frontline qb to his vast list of things to do......
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Obviously let Glennon start on sunday but Giants
Glennon is a 32 year backup NFL QB...that has been established based on his career. Jones is out and Glennon is the backup and he will start on Sunday. Who's bypassing him?
Fromm (and the coaches) should get himself ready to play asap because he might have to of something happens to Glennon. And because he might get his chance anyway this season.
You don't get what circumstantial evidence means? Glennon is a back-up because he is but, hey there is this guy on a the Bills practice squad who needs to get some playing time because? Ok I can say that too... Fromm is a 6th round pick and deserves to be a perm practice squad player because he is.
Again Glennon has not played much. I expect him to stink up the place but he seems more promising for some crazy thing to happen like a cinderalla story than Fromm ; a Bills practice squad player.
Don’t take this personally, but you are a loon.
Not sure I can be more clear about Glennon being the #2 guy and Fromm behind him. But good luck with improving your posting...
This season's version of Scott Brunner. People will be clamoring for him until they realize he just isn't very good.
Straw man, how ya doing.. Nobody's clamoring for Glennon. We know he's probably garbage. We're tired of watching #8 play subpar QB and then 20% of posters here say, actually Jones is really good.
Terps said something similar the other day. I really don't enjoy anything about watching Jones playing QB. He's an accident waiting to happen. That might work if you are watching a NASCAR race, but it's the last thing I want watching a QB play...
I saw Terps' comment and I know the feeling. It's at the point where I can't stand watching him and when some posters compare him to Mahomes or Herbert or whoever I want to barf. One chucklehead said Mahomes was rushing his throws post snap like Daniel Jones used to do, but Jones fixed the problem. As if Daniel Jones has anything... any single thing.. on Patrick Mahomes.
Giants did alot of scouting on Fromm for a few years
and needs to be treated as such team wise. We are looking for our QB of 2022 and I think that QB is already in the league starting for another team or should be starting if all things were equal.
Agree Frohm is nobody.
Lets see if Fromm isn't...
ahh yes, the humor.. Point is the same, anyone counting on him or even thinking he is in the mix is downright crazy. There is a reason he dropped so far in the draft.
Not even using the outliers - it's at least worth seeing if he's a Heinicke or Gardner Minshew.
This season's version of Scott Brunner. People will be clamoring for him until they realize he just isn't very good.
Well, yeah, we know Glennon sucks. The more important thing is how he will look compared to Jones. If he looks the same as Jones (or ... better), that tell us a lot about Jones.
What is this talk of franchising? Isn't franchising an average of the top 5 QB salaries in the league? Won't that be like $35M. Forget it. That's never going to happen.
The 2022 tag is 28.5M, the 2023 won’t be far different.
This is actually a really sound strategy.
If you exercise his 5th year option, you’re locked into 21M in 2023 no matter how he performs in 2022.
The best option is forego the option and have complete flexibility for 2023. If he sucks in 2022 he walks at no cost. In the unlikely event it all comes together for him, you still control his rights with the franchise tag.
I doubt the Giants would get even a 7th round pick for Jones. He has yet to prove he can read NFL defenses and his pocket awareness is nearly non-existent. At one time I thought he might be as good as Eli, perhaps better, because he's more mobile and has a stronger arm, but Eli could read defenses and had pocket awareness, unlike Jones.
What is this talk of franchising? Isn't franchising an average of the top 5 QB salaries in the league? Won't that be like $35M. Forget it. That's never going to happen.
The 2022 tag is 28.5M, the 2023 won’t be far different.
This is actually a really sound strategy.
If you exercise his 5th year option, you’re locked into 21M in 2023 no matter how he performs in 2022.
The best option is forego the option and have complete flexibility for 2023. If he sucks in 2022 he walks at no cost. In the unlikely event it all comes together for him, you still control his rights with the franchise tag.
Thanks for correcting me and sorry I got the tag number wrong.
But even $28M+ is an insane number to think about at this stage for Jones (and I'm sure you already know that). It's not worth mentioning it is so far from the realm of possibility that Jones' play can justify the tag. He would have to suddenly become as good as Joe Burrow, or maybe Kirk Cousins. Jones is light years from being as good a QB as Kirk Cousins. Let's mention the cap when Jones approaches the Kirk Cousins level and not before. It sounds awfully presumptuous to talk tag until then.
RE: No team wants Jones if it means they lose a draft pick
I doubt the Giants would get even a 7th round pick for Jones. He has yet to prove he can read NFL defenses and his pocket awareness is nearly non-existent. At one time I thought he might be as good as Eli, perhaps better, because he's more mobile and has a stronger arm, but Eli could read defenses and had pocket awareness, unlike Jones.
Jones has a stronger arm than Eli? What?!! Jones can't even throw a hail marry and reach the end zone from mid field like he couldn't before a half a few games ago.
I have no idea what possesses people on tis site to make these ridiculous comparisons. Jones is not getting a 2nd because Darnold got one. Darnold has elite arm talent and is mobile. He was playing on a far worse team. Jones will get a 6th.
Don't we all wish you would just watch the Seahawks or whatever team you are zoned for in the Pac Northwest of all things. have youever set foot in NY or Gaints stadium? Must be fun watching the games at a bar at like 10 AM on Sunday
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because they should want to see how Fromm looks in live games with the offense.
There will be a season next year too...
Why?
What are you expecting Tom Brady from a 6th round pick? And without a Belichek developing him? He is another teams practice squad player? Shoot there are people here willing to give Jones 4 years to see what he can do. How about giving Glennon more than 1.5 season before we make our minds up.
Don't be a dink with the Tom Brady stuff. That's not the point
And Glennon has been in the NFL for years with like 6 different teams. He is a known quantity and that is being a back-up QB.
Fromm may amount to little, but we should check it out first. Hell, if he shows decently, we can keep him and dump Glennon next year as back up.
He is a known quantity despite playing about a dozen fewer games than Jones; who up till yesterday was not a non quantity?
Was Kurt Warner a known quantity when he was playing for some arena team and working at a super market? How about a Tony Romo an undrafted guy who I have no idea where they found him.
So Framm becomes a giant for a day and he gets to bypass someone who has not even played a snap on this team w full practice. There are a lot of 6 th round picks playing on practice squads .
What the hell are you babbling about?
Glennon is a 32 year backup NFL QB...that has been established based on his career. Jones is out and Glennon is the backup and he will start on Sunday. Who's bypassing him?
Fromm (and the coaches) should get himself ready to play asap because he might have to of something happens to Glennon. And because he might get his chance anyway this season.
Glennon is a 32 year backup NFL QB...that has been established based on his career. Jones is out and Glennon is the backup and he will start on Sunday. Who's bypassing him?
Fromm (and the coaches) should get himself ready to play asap because he might have to of something happens to Glennon. And because he might get his chance anyway this season.
You don't get what circumstantial evidence means? Glennon is a back-up because he is but, hey there is this guy on a the Bills practice squad who needs to get some playing time because? Ok I can say that too... Fromm is a 6th round pick and deserves to be a perm practice squad player because he is.
Again Glennon has not played much. I expect him to stink up the place but he seems more promising for some crazy thing to happen like a cinderalla story than Fromm ; a Bills practice squad player.
Fan logic, not mine. The curiosity for Fromm will last about 1 quarter. Or if he has some Mike White fairy dust, maybe 1 game.
Fan logic, not mine. The curiosity for Fromm will last about 1 quarter. Or if he has some Mike White fairy dust, maybe 1 game.
Agree with all that. Curiosity for one quarter is better than what we've got.
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Glennon is a 32 year backup NFL QB...that has been established based on his career. Jones is out and Glennon is the backup and he will start on Sunday. Who's bypassing him?
Fromm (and the coaches) should get himself ready to play asap because he might have to of something happens to Glennon. And because he might get his chance anyway this season.
You don't get what circumstantial evidence means? Glennon is a back-up because he is but, hey there is this guy on a the Bills practice squad who needs to get some playing time because? Ok I can say that too... Fromm is a 6th round pick and deserves to be a perm practice squad player because he is.
Again Glennon has not played much. I expect him to stink up the place but he seems more promising for some crazy thing to happen like a cinderalla story than Fromm ; a Bills practice squad player.
Don’t take this personally, but you are a loon.
Not sure I can be more clear about Glennon being the #2 guy and Fromm behind him. But good luck with improving your posting...
Ok, Thanks. Seemed like a obtuse conversation...
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This season's version of Scott Brunner. People will be clamoring for him until they realize he just isn't very good.
Straw man, how ya doing.. Nobody's clamoring for Glennon. We know he's probably garbage. We're tired of watching #8 play subpar QB and then 20% of posters here say, actually Jones is really good.
Terps said something similar the other day. I really don't enjoy anything about watching Jones playing QB. He's an accident waiting to happen. That might work if you are watching a NASCAR race, but it's the last thing I want watching a QB play...
I saw Terps' comment and I know the feeling. It's at the point where I can't stand watching him and when some posters compare him to Mahomes or Herbert or whoever I want to barf. One chucklehead said Mahomes was rushing his throws post snap like Daniel Jones used to do, but Jones fixed the problem. As if Daniel Jones has anything... any single thing.. on Patrick Mahomes.
I'm very curious to see him. My expectations are in check but, you never know.
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and needs to be treated as such team wise. We are looking for our QB of 2022 and I think that QB is already in the league starting for another team or should be starting if all things were equal.
Agree Frohm is nobody.
Lets see if Fromm isn't...
ahh yes, the humor.. Point is the same, anyone counting on him or even thinking he is in the mix is downright crazy. There is a reason he dropped so far in the draft.
Not even using the outliers - it's at least worth seeing if he's a Heinicke or Gardner Minshew.
Well, yeah, we know Glennon sucks. The more important thing is how he will look compared to Jones. If he looks the same as Jones (or ... better), that tell us a lot about Jones.
Of course, it's not like the Giants have earned much trust in evaluations.
Wasn't he with the Bills? They seem to know what they're doing. Left him open to poaching.
The 2022 tag is 28.5M, the 2023 won’t be far different.
This is actually a really sound strategy.
If you exercise his 5th year option, you’re locked into 21M in 2023 no matter how he performs in 2022.
The best option is forego the option and have complete flexibility for 2023. If he sucks in 2022 he walks at no cost. In the unlikely event it all comes together for him, you still control his rights with the franchise tag.
And I have watched a handful of QBs in a NY Giant uniform since 2016 and haven’t been impressed with any them either.
So...
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To move forward with regardless of what you think about his talent level. You can’t put the franchise on a guy missing 4+ games a year.
He’s a placeholder in 22 and that’s it.
Kylar Murray has not played in a month. Same standard?
Sure. He’s proven a little more but it’s the same. Arizona isn’t winning shit if Murray is hurt every year so you can’t pay him.
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What is this talk of franchising? Isn't franchising an average of the top 5 QB salaries in the league? Won't that be like $35M. Forget it. That's never going to happen.
The 2022 tag is 28.5M, the 2023 won’t be far different.
This is actually a really sound strategy.
If you exercise his 5th year option, you’re locked into 21M in 2023 no matter how he performs in 2022.
The best option is forego the option and have complete flexibility for 2023. If he sucks in 2022 he walks at no cost. In the unlikely event it all comes together for him, you still control his rights with the franchise tag.
Thanks for correcting me and sorry I got the tag number wrong.
But even $28M+ is an insane number to think about at this stage for Jones (and I'm sure you already know that). It's not worth mentioning it is so far from the realm of possibility that Jones' play can justify the tag. He would have to suddenly become as good as Joe Burrow, or maybe Kirk Cousins. Jones is light years from being as good a QB as Kirk Cousins. Let's mention the cap when Jones approaches the Kirk Cousins level and not before. It sounds awfully presumptuous to talk tag until then.
Jones has a stronger arm than Eli? What?!! Jones can't even throw a hail marry and reach the end zone from mid field like he couldn't before a half a few games ago.
I have no idea what possesses people on tis site to make these ridiculous comparisons. Jones is not getting a 2nd because Darnold got one. Darnold has elite arm talent and is mobile. He was playing on a far worse team. Jones will get a 6th.
Don't we all wish you would just watch the Seahawks or whatever team you are zoned for in the Pac Northwest of all things. have youever set foot in NY or Gaints stadium? Must be fun watching the games at a bar at like 10 AM on Sunday