As much as the pandemic was brutal and the way they played the 2nd half of last season was a real fun to watch, it set us back a year because he should have been gone after the season. I think if Manning somehow gets the talent together and wins a few tourney games he has a shot at the permanent job. Otherwise I think they look for the sexxy mid major type.
Turg had to go. He never coached a lick of offense in over a decade in College Park. I can't think of one staple we ran the whole time.bFrankly the only thing that saved him was Melo Trimble, Cowan and Sticks. Otherwise he'd have been gone years ago. Nice guy, I wish him all the best in life but I'm glad he's gone.
am a big Terps fan for over 40yrs and this year I watched Danny Manning on the sidelines during games and he looked like something was up.....he just sat on the bench like a dummy not helping coach during timeouts and always with his head down....yea that dude was up to something and now I know...dam this stinks to the high heavens....it will all come out though.
… most players never got better within a season or year to year under his coaching. In fact, most regressed, some markedly so. Offensive schemes were non-existent. I think the Graham situation was the proverbial straw. Kid gave up his Sr year of HS last year to come early. His reward was to be stuck at the end of the bench while the rest of the team shoots 1 for freaking 12 from beyond the arc vs VT. I think Turgeon lost the locker room and, more importantly, the last remnant of boosters that supported him.
Nice guy, kept the program clean and out of trouble, but his tenure had sadly run its course. I wish him well in next job, but this had to be done for Md.
if Coach K didn't have all those high school top players he'd been gone after his 5th year...you can say that for most top coaches.
You really are going to compare Coach K to a guy who made 1 sweet 16 in his 10 years at Maryland? Maryland doesn't make rash decisions. Since the late 60's we have had 4 HC's. Turg seems like a great guy, but his time at MD has come and now gone. Tony I think a lot of MD people complain about players not improving but I don't necessarily see that. In recent years Huerter, Alex Len, Stick, Cowan, Jake Layman, Bruno have definitely improved under him. My beef is that he just never has us playing our best ball at the most important time of the season and as you mentioned he is a horrific offensive coach.
Just sat behind the bench in the Bahamas for two games. Turg did zero in-game coaching. He seemed checked out. This must have been discussed for a while.
Tony and Stu captured much of them, so I''ll stick with themes. Him jumping ship now is a bad look for a good person and a decent coach but kind of fits his tendency to deflect and throw players under the bus.
Turgeon was basically a guy who gets teams to a safe level but lacks ambition beyond that. It was reflected in everything: he developed some NBA talent but could never fit the sum of the parts together, he never scheduled a top nonconference schedule despite near certainty he would be on prime time.
He took what was given and his teams played like it, always reactive never proactive, no press or intensity. And as Stu noted, his teams always declined as the season wore on once teams adjusted. Plus in-game he was below average. We could go on and on.
Damon Evans needs to get his act together for the NIL era. Football is in a hole in the Big Ten, but Turgeon should have won at least 2 more regular season titles and had a couple of tournament runs in conference and the 64.
Let's have some fun with the coaching guesses - Slick Rick, Willard, Sean Miller, Shaka, everyone is on the table.
Let's have some fun with the coaching guesses - Slick Rick, Willard, Sean Miller, Shaka, everyone is on the table.
I wonder if Juan Dixon (Coppin St) and/or Mike Jones (VT Assist HC / long time DeMatha HC) is on the list. Juan’s record isn’t super stellar but he has improved Cop St each year he’s been there and the Terps ties are obvious. Jones would help open up the DeMatha pipeline and may keep local kids at home.
Tony I think a lot of MD people complain about players not improving but I don't necessarily see that. In recent years Huerter, Alex Len, Stick, Cowan, Jake Layman, Bruno have definitely improved under him.
Stu - I think Layman is the guy that really improved and so did Bruno. Huerter didn’t improve, he just didn’t get worse. Len stayed stagnant in my opinion. Cowan got slightly worse his soph-jr years and got back to where he was during his Sr year. Not sure Stick really improved, not as much as he should have anyway.
I think you and I are mostly on the same page and we’re just splitting hairs.
And you’re right on the 4 coaches since 1969. Lefty was the coach when I was there. Then Bob Wade, Gary, and Turge.
Tony I think a lot of MD people complain about players not improving but I don't necessarily see that. In recent years Huerter, Alex Len, Stick, Cowan, Jake Layman, Bruno have definitely improved under him.
Stu - I think Layman is the guy that really improved and so did Bruno. Huerter didn’t improve, he just didn’t get worse. Len stayed stagnant in my opinion. Cowan got slightly worse his soph-jr years and got back to where he was during his Sr year. Not sure Stick really improved, not as much as he should have anyway.
I think you and I are mostly on the same page and we’re just splitting hairs.
And you’re right on the 4 coaches since 1969. Lefty was the coach when I was there. Then Bob Wade, Gary, and Turge.
Best to you and yours.
There's also a nuance between improving and did the coach maximize their skills to benefit the team. He definitely was great molding big guys into NBA quality, not so good with swing guys.
Looks like this team of transfers sucked the life out of him and he decided to resign now rather than be fired by Evans at year's end. The Graham stuff is insane though - telling the kid to transfer then resign days later.
Who knows yeah I've heard the Va Tech asst, but I just have a hard time seeing them go the asst route. A mid major guy is risky enough, a guy with no HC experience would be real hard to sell to Plank with all his UA $$$. I could see them taking a run at Kevin Willard. Maybe they the can open up the UA vault and try and lure Nate Oats from Bama with the promise of a basketball school. Hump great points on Turg coasting. He had gotten a little better at in game adjustments in recent years but you you just can't get past the lack of any coherent offense.
You know it's funny the other night vs. VA tech it wasn't a blow out, and the Hokies aren't bad they have a decent shot to make the tourney and we led for a chunk of the 2nd half but the offense was pathetic. Besides dumping it into Wahab they literally weren't running any sets. In all me years of watching college/pro basketball I've never seen a team go a whole game without creating 1 wide open 3 look. Not one. For all Turgeon's prowess coaching D, this year's ground has been abominable on that end for long stretches each game. He had completely checked out.
and one thing Turge can be commended for is the role of Under Armor. Any incoming coach has to understand that we aren't leaving UA, which also stacks the deck against Maryland in recruiting. Turgeon was in with a lot of kids that were steered to random Nike schools.
If you look at UA ties, Bruce Pearl seems like a logical candidate. Don't know if he'll leave the easy SEC gig at Auburn, but he was certainly bandied about the first time Turge got in trouble.
Let's hope Evans and the new president are more thoughtful about revenue sports than Loh and Anderson, who effectively wrecked the football program for a decade.
and one thing Turge can be commended for is the role of Under Armor. Any incoming coach has to understand that we aren't leaving UA, which also stacks the deck against Maryland in recruiting. Turgeon was in with a lot of kids that were steered to random Nike schools.
If you look at UA ties, Bruce Pearl seems like a logical candidate. Don't know if he'll leave the easy SEC gig at Auburn, but he was certainly bandied about the first time Turge got in trouble.
Let's hope Evans and the new president are more thoughtful about revenue sports than Loh and Anderson, who effectively wrecked the football program for a decade.
Good points. Yeah with Turg gone so ends the horrific Anderson era. His major hires were Edsall and Turg. Need I say more. It's a shame that Sean Miller got Arizona into trouble. His on the court results can't be argued with and he's available but I just can't see MD taking a risk like that. We're not Zona, NC or Louisville. If we do dirty stuff the NCAA will slam us. Bruce Pearl is an interesting name, just not sure if he's into a lateral type move especially after spending so much time in the SEC. In the old days I would say that doing this now would have destroyed next season as well, however with recruiting getting later and later, and the explosion of the transfer portal with the right hire we can be competitive next year. Honestly this makes this season interesting. There is talent on this roster an there won't be any kind of mutiny of quitting because Ayala and Fats have no eligibility left, Qudus has worked a ton with Manning and It's not like Turg was bringing out the best and consistency in Scott and Hart. A coach with an actual game plan on offense and who emphasizes running and maybe trapping on D can have success with this group
Maryland is a very attractive job and they have to be able to compete on a national level. All of the qualities are there compared to the rest of the Big 10.
Turgeon did a good job; people forget that Mark dealt with a bunch of things he didn't expect - the move to the Big 10, the transfer portal, Covid, etc. Transfer portal has given advantage to the one-and-done coaches. Very draining profession and guys deal with it differently; Mark decided to deal with it in this way.
It's a critical time for MD basketball, pubic will look at Turgeon leaving and question why. We have to find the right guy and give him the assets to win in the Big 10. Maryland fan base reflects tough, East Cost, pro team fanbases and the coach has to play a style that will energize that crowd. No worse fanbase than anywhere else.
Hump- Gary seemed to take a thinly veiled shot at Turg Friday
Saying the next coach had to have a style that excites the fan base. The MD fan base can be tough. Listen often over the years they were tough on Gary. Me? I went to school there during the Bob Wade years so Gary could do no wrong lol. I think we've gone through the reasons Turg ultimately wasn't successful enough. I think the biggest problem though was his reactive style. I think with Lefty, then Gary Maryland always attacked. Running and pressing. Turg was always trying to adjust to the opposition. What always drove me nuts was big home games. It always seemed under Gary we were up 8-0 or 10-2 right out of the gate. With Turg we always got off to slow starts. I agree this next hire is huge. I think the concept that MD is a top job is a bit overstated though. Last time around there weren't big names banging down the door. In fact Sean Miller sat across the table from Kevin Anderson, said no and headed to Arizona.
I think that says more about Anderson than the school
Turg had to go. He never coached a lick of offense in over a decade in College Park. I can't think of one staple we ran the whole time.bFrankly the only thing that saved him was Melo Trimble, Cowan and Sticks. Otherwise he'd have been gone years ago. Nice guy, I wish him all the best in life but I'm glad he's gone.
Nice guy, kept the program clean and out of trouble, but his tenure had sadly run its course. I wish him well in next job, but this had to be done for Md.
You really are going to compare Coach K to a guy who made 1 sweet 16 in his 10 years at Maryland? Maryland doesn't make rash decisions. Since the late 60's we have had 4 HC's. Turg seems like a great guy, but his time at MD has come and now gone. Tony I think a lot of MD people complain about players not improving but I don't necessarily see that. In recent years Huerter, Alex Len, Stick, Cowan, Jake Layman, Bruno have definitely improved under him. My beef is that he just never has us playing our best ball at the most important time of the season and as you mentioned he is a horrific offensive coach.
Turgeon was basically a guy who gets teams to a safe level but lacks ambition beyond that. It was reflected in everything: he developed some NBA talent but could never fit the sum of the parts together, he never scheduled a top nonconference schedule despite near certainty he would be on prime time.
He took what was given and his teams played like it, always reactive never proactive, no press or intensity. And as Stu noted, his teams always declined as the season wore on once teams adjusted. Plus in-game he was below average. We could go on and on.
Damon Evans needs to get his act together for the NIL era. Football is in a hole in the Big Ten, but Turgeon should have won at least 2 more regular season titles and had a couple of tournament runs in conference and the 64.
Let's have some fun with the coaching guesses - Slick Rick, Willard, Sean Miller, Shaka, everyone is on the table.
I wonder if Juan Dixon (Coppin St) and/or Mike Jones (VT Assist HC / long time DeMatha HC) is on the list. Juan’s record isn’t super stellar but he has improved Cop St each year he’s been there and the Terps ties are obvious. Jones would help open up the DeMatha pipeline and may keep local kids at home.
Stu - I think Layman is the guy that really improved and so did Bruno. Huerter didn’t improve, he just didn’t get worse. Len stayed stagnant in my opinion. Cowan got slightly worse his soph-jr years and got back to where he was during his Sr year. Not sure Stick really improved, not as much as he should have anyway.
I think you and I are mostly on the same page and we’re just splitting hairs.
And you’re right on the 4 coaches since 1969. Lefty was the coach when I was there. Then Bob Wade, Gary, and Turge.
Best to you and yours.
Yep. The Juan and only!
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Tony I think a lot of MD people complain about players not improving but I don't necessarily see that. In recent years Huerter, Alex Len, Stick, Cowan, Jake Layman, Bruno have definitely improved under him.
Stu - I think Layman is the guy that really improved and so did Bruno. Huerter didn’t improve, he just didn’t get worse. Len stayed stagnant in my opinion. Cowan got slightly worse his soph-jr years and got back to where he was during his Sr year. Not sure Stick really improved, not as much as he should have anyway.
I think you and I are mostly on the same page and we’re just splitting hairs.
And you’re right on the 4 coaches since 1969. Lefty was the coach when I was there. Then Bob Wade, Gary, and Turge.
Best to you and yours.
There's also a nuance between improving and did the coach maximize their skills to benefit the team. He definitely was great molding big guys into NBA quality, not so good with swing guys.
Looks like this team of transfers sucked the life out of him and he decided to resign now rather than be fired by Evans at year's end. The Graham stuff is insane though - telling the kid to transfer then resign days later.
Looks like this team
You know it's funny the other night vs. VA tech it wasn't a blow out, and the Hokies aren't bad they have a decent shot to make the tourney and we led for a chunk of the 2nd half but the offense was pathetic. Besides dumping it into Wahab they literally weren't running any sets. In all me years of watching college/pro basketball I've never seen a team go a whole game without creating 1 wide open 3 look. Not one. For all Turgeon's prowess coaching D, this year's ground has been abominable on that end for long stretches each game. He had completely checked out.
If you look at UA ties, Bruce Pearl seems like a logical candidate. Don't know if he'll leave the easy SEC gig at Auburn, but he was certainly bandied about the first time Turge got in trouble.
Let's hope Evans and the new president are more thoughtful about revenue sports than Loh and Anderson, who effectively wrecked the football program for a decade.
If you look at UA ties, Bruce Pearl seems like a logical candidate. Don't know if he'll leave the easy SEC gig at Auburn, but he was certainly bandied about the first time Turge got in trouble.
Let's hope Evans and the new president are more thoughtful about revenue sports than Loh and Anderson, who effectively wrecked the football program for a decade.
Good points. Yeah with Turg gone so ends the horrific Anderson era. His major hires were Edsall and Turg. Need I say more. It's a shame that Sean Miller got Arizona into trouble. His on the court results can't be argued with and he's available but I just can't see MD taking a risk like that. We're not Zona, NC or Louisville. If we do dirty stuff the NCAA will slam us. Bruce Pearl is an interesting name, just not sure if he's into a lateral type move especially after spending so much time in the SEC. In the old days I would say that doing this now would have destroyed next season as well, however with recruiting getting later and later, and the explosion of the transfer portal with the right hire we can be competitive next year. Honestly this makes this season interesting. There is talent on this roster an there won't be any kind of mutiny of quitting because Ayala and Fats have no eligibility left, Qudus has worked a ton with Manning and It's not like Turg was bringing out the best and consistency in Scott and Hart. A coach with an actual game plan on offense and who emphasizes running and maybe trapping on D can have success with this group
Turgeon did a good job; people forget that Mark dealt with a bunch of things he didn't expect - the move to the Big 10, the transfer portal, Covid, etc. Transfer portal has given advantage to the one-and-done coaches. Very draining profession and guys deal with it differently; Mark decided to deal with it in this way.
It's a critical time for MD basketball, pubic will look at Turgeon leaving and question why. We have to find the right guy and give him the assets to win in the Big 10. Maryland fan base reflects tough, East Cost, pro team fanbases and the coach has to play a style that will energize that crowd. No worse fanbase than anywhere else.
Walt also took a thinly veiled dig at Turgeon, saying that the atmosphere was tough, but that he certainly didn't see the guy quitting.
Gotta go get my Pinstripe Bowl tickets!