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This Game is all about Barkley

Giantimistic : 12/4/2021 3:45 am
I was thinking this before I read the game preview and agree completely about the importance of Barkley in this game.

Barkley has been debated endlessly and I am not going to disagree with the negatives that people have stated. There is a lot of validity there--probably more so than I want to admit. Also, not looking to debate signing him or not.

However, I still love Barkley and think he can do big things for the Giants. Last game, on the one long run, I felt like I saw the burst the first time this season. Obviously that was the only one he broke, but there was a sign that he got his feet under him.

I get that he is still not 100%, but this is his game to shine. Going up against a strong run defense, backup QB, and a target on his back. I want to see one of those Tiki games where he carries the team and the defense has no answers. He needs to beat the odds and prove himself. Run pissed off.

I hope we even see a little wildcat or creativity with Toney taking snaps at the QB.

Now is the time and the Giants should look on riding him as long as they can. I want to see 25 touches or more.

I realize this may be a major fail and he doesn't preform and there is more material for the naysayers, but I know what my optimist side is expecting.

I say Giants win and Barkley has 200 plus yards of total offense and 2 TDs. If I am wrong, which is may very well be the case, I dont't care--the benefits of being a fan.
you are expecting a leopard to change his spots  
Batenhorst7 : 12/4/2021 4:23 am : link
He disdains contact, he is frightened to take the D head on

that's his basic problem

he would be great in a flag football league- not in the NFL
RE: you are expecting a leopard to change his spots  
Keaton028 : 12/4/2021 5:32 am : link
In comment 15478719 Batenhorst7 said:
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He disdains contact, he is frightened to take the D head on

that's his basic problem

he would be great in a flag football league- not in the NFL


Lol. Except for the times he’s pushed the pile and stiff armed defenders into the dirt. Clown.

Barkley’s problem is the offensive line. He doesn’t trust them, and for good reason. We shouldn’t have drafted playmakers without fixing the line first. Period. For a good analysis of Barkley’s issues, watch Bobby Skinner’s Oline report against the Eagles.
The Giants  
Les in TO : 12/4/2021 5:48 am : link
Have a better record when he’s not playing since he was drafted. Bad vision and bad at picking up the blitz. He would be great in the CFL
It’s all about Barkley  
Ron Johnson : 12/4/2021 7:04 am : link
Which means it’s all about the ol

Like every other game
No game is ever about  
section125 : 12/4/2021 7:21 am : link
one player out of 22.
Barkley  
Straw Hat : 12/4/2021 7:21 am : link
Is one of the worst picks in giants history. Cant wait til this is over. I hope they make this game all about booker if were gonna try to establish the run.
RE: RE: you are expecting a leopard to change his spots  
jvm52106 : 12/4/2021 7:22 am : link
In comment 15478725 Keaton028 said:
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He disdains contact, he is frightened to take the D head on

that's his basic problem

he would be great in a flag football league- not in the NFL



Lol. Except for the times he’s pushed the pile and stiff armed defenders into the dirt. Clown.

Barkley’s problem is the offensive line. He doesn’t trust them, and for good reason. We shouldn’t have drafted playmakers without fixing the line first. Period. For a good analysis of Barkley’s issues, watch Bobby Skinner’s Oline report against the Eagles.


Dear God, I watched that report and you are taking a few things he said as evidence that Barkley is this stud, physical back. Bobby never said that. He said Barkley was the direct blame on a number of runs but still said he needs to take those 3-4 yard gains and not dance and look for stuff that isn't there and lose yardage or at best gain a yard. It was hardly a ringing endorsement of Barkley .
RE: RE: RE: you are expecting a leopard to change his spots  
jvm52106 : 12/4/2021 7:23 am : link
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He disdains contact, he is frightened to take the D head on

that's his basic problem

he would be great in a flag football league- not in the NFL



Lol. Except for the times he’s pushed the pile and stiff armed defenders into the dirt. Clown.

Barkley’s problem is the offensive line. He doesn’t trust them, and for good reason. We shouldn’t have drafted playmakers without fixing the line first. Period. For a good analysis of Barkley’s issues, watch Bobby Skinner’s Oline report against the Eagles.



Dear God, I watched that report and you are taking a few things he said as evidence that Barkley is this stud, physical back. Bobby never said that. He said Barkley was the direct blame on a number of runs but still said he needs to take those 3-4 yard gains and not dance and look for stuff that isn't there and lose yardage or at best gain a yard. It was hardly a ringing endorsement of Barkley .


Was=wasn't
Lmao  
Straw Hat : 12/4/2021 7:40 am : link
At the guy referencing barkley “stiff arming defenders into the dirt” lmfao. Yeah man barkley is the next derrick henry. Please. I move more aggressively through a crowded grocery store. Barkley is a pussy. Squat all the weight you want, you cant change a guy’s mental fortitude. Even in his rookie year he was running scared most of the time.
I'm not counting on Barkley to help this O at all  
ZogZerg : 12/4/2021 7:46 am : link
Miami will blitz a lot, confusing the badly coached O-line, taking SB down in the Back field.

He is not a physical runner.  
CV36 : 12/4/2021 7:51 am : link
He will never run anyone over. The lone highlight of his career “running someone over” is Jalen Ramsey. Ramsey was coming off a block and at best it was a tie. The only time a pile moves with him in it is if the OL is able to move it with him in it. The guy used to be a home run threat but he has a bad OL and still isn’t 100%. Even at 100% he will need holes to be productive. Here’s to hoping he has the kind of day you speak of
I hope Not  
NJLCO : 12/4/2021 7:53 am : link
If it is about him we’re in trouble
RE: The Giants  
Ivan15 : 12/4/2021 8:02 am : link
In comment 15478726 Les in TO said:
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Have a better record when he’s not playing since he was drafted. Bad vision and bad at picking up the blitz. He would be great in the CFL


Would you say Barkley is an injury-prone Ron Dayne?
...  
broadbandz : 12/4/2021 8:10 am : link
Booker is the better back in every way, look it up.
RE: RE: RE: you are expecting a leopard to change his spots  
section125 : 12/4/2021 8:19 am : link
In comment 15478740 jvm52106 said:
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He disdains contact, he is frightened to take the D head on

that's his basic problem

he would be great in a flag football league- not in the NFL



Lol. Except for the times he’s pushed the pile and stiff armed defenders into the dirt. Clown.

Barkley’s problem is the offensive line. He doesn’t trust them, and for good reason. We shouldn’t have drafted playmakers without fixing the line first. Period. For a good analysis of Barkley’s issues, watch Bobby Skinner’s Oline report against the Eagles.



Dear God, I watched that report and you are taking a few things he said as evidence that Barkley is this stud, physical back. Bobby never said that. He said Barkley was the direct blame on a number of runs but still said he needs to take those 3-4 yard gains and not dance and look for stuff that isn't there and lose yardage or at best gain a yard. It was hardly a ringing endorsement of Barkley .


You need to watch it again. He said Barkley on about 3 plays could have gotten a couple yards by just getting what he could get. Aside from the 32 yarder, he said the rest of his 13 carries were on the poor blocking. So basically of 13 carries 8-9 were bad blocks.
RE: It’s all about Barkley  
Giantimistic : 12/4/2021 8:33 am : link
In comment 15478734 Ron Johnson said:
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Which means it’s all about the ol

Like every other game


Sometimes we need your superstar, which is what he is supposed to be, to step up regardless the situation. I am always quick to point out how they get him in the backfield and he doesn’t get a chance to get going.

I want to see our captain step up with the offense hurting, qb out and just find a way. You can’t expect that to happen every game and it is a team effort but every now and then a player can take over a game.

When Barkley was on fire as a rookie, it felt like the online raised their level, held their blocks longer and took more pride.

Sometimes momentum can raise up a group.

This game will be different if Barkley can break one on the opening drive.
His knee needs another year  
JonC : 12/4/2021 8:46 am : link
It's past time for the WRs to show up and make an impact.
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jvm52106 : 12/4/2021 8:57 am : link
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He disdains contact, he is frightened to take the D head on

that's his basic problem

he would be great in a flag football league- not in the NFL



Lol. Except for the times he’s pushed the pile and stiff armed defenders into the dirt. Clown.

Barkley’s problem is the offensive line. He doesn’t trust them, and for good reason. We shouldn’t have drafted playmakers without fixing the line first. Period. For a good analysis of Barkley’s issues, watch Bobby Skinner’s Oline report against the Eagles.



Dear God, I watched that report and you are taking a few things he said as evidence that Barkley is this stud, physical back. Bobby never said that. He said Barkley was the direct blame on a number of runs but still said he needs to take those 3-4 yard gains and not dance and look for stuff that isn't there and lose yardage or at best gain a yard. It was hardly a ringing endorsement of Barkley .



You need to watch it again. He said Barkley on about 3 plays could have gotten a couple yards by just getting what he could get. Aside from the 32 yarder, he said the rest of his 13 carries were on the poor blocking. So basically of 13 carries 8-9 were bad blocks.


You are arguing the wrong point- he never said Barkley was this back (as described above) just that the blocking was poor. He still mentioned how Barkley doesn't take the small gains which are huge to continuing drives.

Do not confuse last weeks blocking as a pass to Barkley overall and that he is this bigtime RB who is only held back by the Oline- that is NOT what Skinner said!
this game is all about Judge  
markky : 12/4/2021 9:02 am : link
If he doesn't put the best (meaning most productive) players on the field today then he's not HC material.
If they are going to win this game (which is very winable)  
stoneman : 12/4/2021 9:04 am : link
it will all be about the defense - not Barkley or the offense.
If this game is about Barkley, we are going to lose.  
cosmicj : 12/4/2021 9:26 am : link
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RE: Lmao  
Batenhorst7 : 12/4/2021 9:45 am : link
In comment 15478743 Straw Hat said:
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At the guy referencing barkley “stiff arming defenders into the dirt” lmfao. Yeah man barkley is the next derrick henry. Please. I move more aggressively through a crowded grocery store. Barkley is a pussy. Squat all the weight you want, you cant change a guy’s mental fortitude. Even in his rookie year he was running scared most of the time.


I could not have put it any better myself
The guy is not a "Baller".... he indeed as you described him
and it will never change. It's there for all to see but some refuse to believe their eyes and blame the Oline for his lack of courage and determination

Like the Tin Man in the Wizard of Oz, you cannot buy Courage
Good luck if this game is all about Barkley  
Rick in Dallas : 12/4/2021 10:20 am : link
He is a totally different diminished player from his rookie year.



He is not a physical run you over guy.  
Giant John : 12/4/2021 10:29 am : link
With our oline that style does not work. The best thing the Giants could do for Barkley is trade him to a team with a good oline. Then his elusive style would be more effective. At least until he gets hurt again.
The Dolphins aren't going to respect  
allstarjim : 12/4/2021 10:37 am : link
Glennon as a QB that can hurt them with his arm and certainly not with his legs. With him being a stationary QB, they are going to thrpw the kitchen sink at Barkley. It's not going to be a game where Barkley can put this offense on his shoulders. You can't just beat 8 and 9 man boxes.

Glennon is going to have to win this game through the air. They need to hurt the Miami defense for stacking against the run by hitting them over the top. So I don't think this game will be about Barkley, it will be about Glennon.
Only twice has Barkley had over 200 yards in total offense  
Jimmy Googs : 12/4/2021 10:39 am : link
in his career, once in 2018 and once at the end of 2019 (and it took OT to do it). So that isn't likely happening despite your hope.

And unfortunately, if the Giants try and make this game about Barkley then chalk up another loss. He needs to part of an offense with some runs, a few catches in mismatches and some screens but he shouldn't be the primary focus.

It's not efficient.
RE: RE: you are expecting a leopard to change his spots  
mittenedman : 12/4/2021 10:39 am : link
In comment 15478725 Keaton028 said:
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He disdains contact, he is frightened to take the D head on

that's his basic problem

he would be great in a flag football league- not in the NFL



Lol. Except for the times he’s pushed the pile and stiff armed defenders into the dirt. Clown.


You're calling someone a clown for suggesting Barkley doesn't like the physical part of the game? Get some new glasses. Bad OLine or not, it's on full display. If he needs a great OLine to be effective he's JAG.
RE: The Dolphins aren't going to respect  
Jimmy Googs : 12/4/2021 10:45 am : link
In comment 15478847 allstarjim said:
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Glennon as a QB that can hurt them with his arm and certainly not with his legs. With him being a stationary QB, they are going to thrpw the kitchen sink at Barkley. It's not going to be a game where Barkley can put this offense on his shoulders. You can't just beat 8 and 9 man boxes.

Glennon is going to have to win this game through the air. They need to hurt the Miami defense for stacking against the run by hitting them over the top. So I don't think this game will be about Barkley, it will be about Glennon.


This sounds closer to the truth. Miami has found something lately with their defensive schemes and they are blitzing a hell of a lot. Particularly from their secondary.

Glennon (and the WRs) are going to have to be sharp on their reads, hot routes and taking some shots downfield to make Miami pay for being too aggressive. With our crappy OL he is going to take some hits too so hopefully Fromm learned a lot this week, just in case.

let's see how they do...
RE: He is not a physical run you over guy.  
Batenhorst7 : 12/4/2021 10:58 am : link
In comment 15478844 Giant John said:
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With our oline that style does not work. The best thing the Giants could do for Barkley is trade him to a team with a good oline. Then his elusive style would be more effective. At least until he gets hurt again.


I like what Mike Shanahan said eons ago

"we are going to open two lanes for you- pick one and hit it hard and quickly

If you cannot do that, you are going to the bench"

Shanahan would have cut Barkley at halftime
Fuck Mitch Glennon  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/4/2021 11:47 am : link
lets just go with Toney wildcat offense.
RE: RE: He is not a physical run you over guy.  
Brown_Hornet : 12/4/2021 12:06 pm : link
In comment 15478861 Batenhorst7 said:
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With our oline that style does not work. The best thing the Giants could do for Barkley is trade him to a team with a good oline. Then his elusive style would be more effective. At least until he gets hurt again.



I like what Mike Shanahan said eons ago

"we are going to open two lanes for you- pick one and hit it hard and quickly

If you cannot do that, you are going to the bench"

Shanahan would have cut Barkley at halftime
Actually, zone is exactly what the Giants shoukd ron with SB.
It’s more about Freddie K  
UberAlias : 12/4/2021 12:26 pm : link
Need to figure out how to put points on the board with backup QB.
This isn't his rookie year. At this point, Toney  
CT Charlie : 12/4/2021 12:30 pm : link
is more elusive.

Even with our current line, it would be nice to see us with all our skilled players healthy.
RE: RE: He is not a physical run you over guy.  
allstarjim : 12/4/2021 12:51 pm : link
In comment 15478861 Batenhorst7 said:
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With our oline that style does not work. The best thing the Giants could do for Barkley is trade him to a team with a good oline. Then his elusive style would be more effective. At least until he gets hurt again.



I like what Mike Shanahan said eons ago

"we are going to open two lanes for you- pick one and hit it hard and quickly

If you cannot do that, you are going to the bench"

Shanahan would have cut Barkley at halftime


Lol, you have to open 1 lane before you can open two. It would be nice if they could at least do that.
Hahahaha  
Bear vs Shark : 12/4/2021 1:46 pm : link
did someone actually try to say barkley pushes the pile hahahahahahahahaha
RE: RE: RE: He is not a physical run you over guy.  
Batenhorst7 : 12/4/2021 1:54 pm : link
In comment 15478964 allstarjim said:
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With our oline that style does not work. The best thing the Giants could do for Barkley is trade him to a team with a good oline. Then his elusive style would be more effective. At least until he gets hurt again.



I like what Mike Shanahan said eons ago

"we are going to open two lanes for you- pick one and hit it hard and quickly

If you cannot do that, you are going to the bench"

Shanahan would have cut Barkley at halftime



Lol, you have to open 1 lane before you can open two. It would be nice if they could at least do that.


I think you misread my point. Shanahan had zero patience for a guy who did not make a very quick decision and then put his back into it or front in this case

There are holes and creases...we know this from watching Booker and Penny blast through them

Barkley is tentative, cant process the situation, wants to find a lane where he wont get smacked....I guess at Penn State he had wide open holes and college guys dont hit as hard......I cannot wait til we find a new home for this guy or just part ways. He will occasionally make a great play- he is terrific once he clears the front 7. and all his fans will celebrate.

The worst of it management is hell bent on proving Barkley was worth the #2 pick in that draft
What will be the final resolution?

Likely Barkley is traded or cut, Gettleman is fired and Mara stays right where he is.

The team will struggle and fail to move the chains and Barkley will fail to block for the QB til this is accomplished
RE: Barkley  
dancing blue bear : 12/4/2021 2:50 pm : link
In comment 15478739 Straw Hat said:
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Is one of the worst picks in giants history. Cant wait til this is over. I hope they make this game all about booker if were gonna try to establish the run.


Flowers
Apple
Baker
didn’t finish their first contract. Think man! You can still find better ways to shit on Barkley and sound reasonably informed.
Barkley can wreck this game  
dancing blue bear : 12/4/2021 3:02 pm : link
If we call and execute screen passes at the right time

They will most likely bring 8 and 9 guys at glennon multiple times. Screen pass is the answer. And even the DHC has to admit Barkley is still a weapon in open space. 20 pts should win this game so 2 of these oughta do it
short, quick passes  
Dave on the UWS : 12/4/2021 3:20 pm : link
are necessary against a Zero blitz. use Barkley this way- often.
RE: Hahahaha  
CV36 : 12/4/2021 10:46 pm : link
In comment 15479007 Bear vs Shark said:
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did someone actually try to say barkley pushes the pile hahahahahahahahaha


Lol Yes and then called someone a clown for suggesting otherwise. It’s like some people don’t watch the games but come here and defend players that are good on Madden.
RE: short, quick passes  
Batenhorst7 : 12/5/2021 2:40 am : link
In comment 15479157 Dave on the UWS said:
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are necessary against a Zero blitz. use Barkley this way- often.


Yeah NO

Other teams have had someone waiting for him out there
which welcomes a pick six or a quick tackle of Barkley for no gain

He has to show the other team he can hurt them up the middle or they will just keep putting a spy out there
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