Per Fowler: “ The Giants are not expected to place Daniel Jones on short-term IR as they figure out how to manage his neck strain. Won't play this week but will keep him available week-to-week as of now”
My own opinion: Giants know what’s wrong with DJ, Maybe a loss to the dolphins and we will see some movement with DJ
His ability to run is the best part of his game. His lack of success would be even worse without the designed runs. His game is not just drop back and throw.
This. I'm sure he's had an MRI and my guess is he's done for the season. But for the fog of war, Judge will keep the week to week thing going so long as the Giants are in shouting distance of the 7th seed as teams have to prepare in case he's going to play. Once they are out of it, they will shut it down officially and use that roster spot. Just my guess here, but I don't think we see him again in 2021.
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It's almost certainly more than just a simple neck strain.
This. I'm sure he's had an MRI and my guess is he's done for the season. But for the fog of war, Judge will keep the week to week thing going so long as the Giants are in shouting distance of the 7th seed as teams have to prepare in case he's going to play. Once they are out of it, they will shut it down officially and use that roster spot. Just my guess here, but I don't think we see him again in 2021.
Agreed!
But if the neck is so bad, why is Jones practicing?
But if the neck is so bad, why is Jones practicing?
To see how much he can do? Also, how well is Jones practicing?
If true, and it is bad, why practice?
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If true, and it is bad, why practice?
It could be more pain management, less risk of further of further injury. Everyone sees neck and thinks someone’s head is falling off.
If true, and it is bad, why practice?
I guess what I'm asking is if the Giants think Jones can practice, how well is he practicing? Judge sets a lot of store on how well players are practicing as opposed to how well they're doing on the field (read: Solder).
Agreed that he is done for season.
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What did they think would happen to him with all of the designed QB runs??? As if he doesn't get battered enough on every pass play. Fools.
His ability to run is the best part of his game. His lack of success would be even worse without the designed runs. His game is not just drop back and throw.
Agree that running is a part of his game, but keep it when avoiding a rush, red zone options, etc. Not adding all those designed 4-5 yard runs. That's what your running backs are for.
Judge TWICE made it clear he would not definitely say Jones isn't done.
I suppose it could be just gamesmanship to keep opponents guessing, but it was a weird week.
Jones addressed the media on Wednesday (Giants NEVER do this with a player who isn't going to play). And then the reporters all saw Jones practice in the parts of practice they are allowed to watch. They didn't see any issues. Jones also said he thought he would play, but it was up to the trainers.
They have three quarterbacks on the active roster who all need snaps now.
Is this a serious post? If he can’t run then he offers nothing. Too bad he doesn’t know how to slide.
Honestly, I see him back in a Giants uniform next year.
Unless they have decided to move on. (Doubtful, but I wouldn't discount it). But that's already been labeled "conspiracy theory" talk.
If not, you are correct. This is a disaster because it means we are basically where we were back in September with significant doubts about Jones and the team probably not ready to make serious contingency plans.
Players on IR cannot practice.
That's a good question. A player like Fromm could desperately use those practice snaps to get more comfortable in a new offense. This is a very bad look for Judge if Jones is out for the season.
Jones has to take some responsibility here as to how he runs, when to go down or slide, taking on tacklers, etc.
Let's just say he isn't a savvy runner...
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It's almost certainly more than just a simple neck strain.
This. I'm sure he's had an MRI and my guess is he's done for the season. But for the fog of war, Judge will keep the week to week thing going so long as the Giants are in shouting distance of the 7th seed as teams have to prepare in case he's going to play. Once they are out of it, they will shut it down officially and use that roster spot. Just my guess here, but I don't think we see him again in 2021.
Geez, wish Joe Judge was this subtle and tricky when it comes to managing the game clock.
Alas!
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more ammo for Mara to delay a decision on Jones' future.
Unless they have decided to move on. (Doubtful, but I wouldn't discount it). But that's already been labeled "conspiracy theory" talk.
I labeled it that because it sounds like a huge stretch.
Not that they may be having doubts with Jones which is completely logical base don his play, but to artificially amplify this injury just so they can get their starting QB off the field? Come on.
If you meant something else then fine but not buying this...
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the Giants know now it is season-ending, why waste practice snaps on Jones? Why even risk further injury?
That's a good question. A player like Fromm could desperately use those practice snaps to get more comfortable in a new offense. This is a very bad look for Judge if Jones is out for the season.
Jay - what do you mean this is a bad look for Judge? Why is that?
Completely agree! I even heard Carl Banks get on Paul Dottino about running the QB and say stupid crap like: "if Lamar Jackson can run so can Jones".
He's got to be kidding me. Jones is a 6'5" horse of QB who can certainly move around and has great straight line speed. Lamar Jackson is a skinny 6'1" jitterbug. Completely two different types of runners.
With Jones, you keep him in the pocket, move around when needs to, and scramble when necessary. You might as well do it now. Not all QBs are going to run like that when they get into their 30s. Look at Russell Wilson...He's no where NEAR as mobile as he used to be!
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What did they think would happen to him with all of the designed QB runs??? As if he doesn't get battered enough on every pass play. Fools.
His ability to run is the best part of his game. His lack of success would be even worse without the designed runs. His game is not just drop back and throw.
Agree that running is a part of his game, but keep it when avoiding a rush, red zone options, etc. Not adding all those designed 4-5 yard runs. That's what your running backs are for.
If he can’t use his legs, then is he a viable franchise QB? The injury bug is a huge thing red flag for me. In a league tgat goes to no end to protect QBs, he’s lost a lot of playing time. Obviously the poor line play has had an impact. But with him needing to run to be effective coupled with his injury risk, I can’t see how he’s the long term answer.
Or do we stick with the robotic argument
Seems like Judge is contracting himself,or he has a screw loose.
I'm not sure this is what happens. If Judge wants a different quarterback and weighs in as such, I think/hope Mara respects that.
I'm counting on Judge here.
But if the neck is so bad, why is Jones practicing?
This reminds me of the Giants doctors clearing Wilson to practice after a neck injury, and then his career ended on his very first (and non-contact) practice.
If his neck injury is serious it's reckless AF to have him practice. But I wouldn't put it past a medical team that cleared Lemieux to play on a torn patellar tendon.
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It's almost certainly more than just a simple neck strain.
This. I'm sure he's had an MRI and my guess is he's done for the season. But for the fog of war, Judge will keep the week to week thing going so long as the Giants are in shouting distance of the 7th seed as teams have to prepare in case he's going to play. Once they are out of it, they will shut it down officially and use that roster spot. Just my guess here, but I don't think we see him again in 2021.
Agreed.
But if the neck is so bad, why is Jones practicing?
An excellent question. The only thing I can think of is that maybe they are say 80% sure it's season ending, but still have some hope that it might not be with a few weeks rest.
He said he was feeling better a few days ago. He and coaches probably wanted to see how much he could do in practice. Sounds like it barely anything so they ruled him out this week.
What's the issue?
Jones to IR would be damming to his future with the team. And make the organization look bad.
Or actually worse than they are. Real bad.
I have NO knowledge, but a scenario like this fits the current info. and the narratives.
I have NO knowledge, but a scenario like this fits the current info. and the narratives.
Yeah sounds like the key is in the wording of "not cleared for contact"
So throwing a ball isn't going to injure him more, but getting sacked or running into a lineman very well might
Jones is coming back next season, at the moment you would have to believe they will not pick up his 5 th year option
His play next season will determine what they do, including the franchise tag. Many here won’t like this but It s pretty obvious the Giants do not concur that it s time to move on
I can't say you are wrong here. For all we know Jones was practicing in the sense he wore a uniform, threw a few passes at half speed, and handed the ball off.
BFD.
too logical, must be a conspiracy theory here somewhere!
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The media does not know how much of real practice Jones participates in. This is just mor obfuscation bullshit by one of the worst head coaches in football. It is embarrassing listening to this asshole pretend to know how to manipulate his opponents preparation. Everyone sees right through him. The worst.
I can't say you are wrong here. For all we know Jones was practicing in the sense he wore a uniform, threw a few passes at half speed, and handed the ball off.
BFD.
Exactly...
I know when to throw the Challenge Flag it was my emotions.
Something is wrong with my Headset I know how to call timeouts.
The fish stinks from the head (WTF?). And other incorrect colloquialisms.
Have not decided who will call plays yet. A statement that fools only himself and continues yet another week of ridicule by EVERYONE.
Daniel is week to week everything is on the table, can't you see him lightly jogging and tossing the ball around. In which when the carpenter is right will only endure even MORE ridicule.
He fools NOONE except himself. Least aware coach in football. Fucking Embarrassing.
Clown.