Ehh. Idk. Georgia vs. ND in the semi-final sounds like it’d be over by the 2nd quarter (no offense to ND fans here— my grandfather and several of my family members went to ND, but for some reason I didn’t inherit the love haha)
Dude— That was the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever seen. At that part of the field given the score? That to me looked like panicked football. They had the blocked FG earlier and it almost felt like right there he was afraid of OSU taking over momentum in the 2nd half so he was ultra aggressive going for it, but instead, in fact, THAT 4th down stop was the real thing that killed the momentum just now and literally put points on the board for OSU.
You’re up 15, coach like you expect to win don’t coach like you need to take huge risks to have a hope of winning!! I feel like OSU also now senses blood (like Baylor’s coach is afraid of them) and I suspect the players for Baylor may feel the same way.
That was absolutely in the direction of WR wearing #1. Also isn’t he outside the pocket?? Wtf is this? There are different rules for WR throwing the ball this guy just said? Are you kidding? What are they supposed to do just throw a pick? You can’t throw it away? TF????
Dude— That was the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever seen. At that part of the field given the score? That to me looked like panicked football. They had the blocked FG earlier and it almost felt like right there he was afraid of OSU taking over momentum in the 2nd half so he was ultra aggressive going for it, but instead, in fact, THAT 4th down stop was the real thing that killed the momentum just now and literally put points on the board for OSU.
You’re up 15, coach like you expect to win don’t coach like you need to take huge risks to have a hope of winning!! I feel like OSU also now senses blood (like Baylor’s coach is afraid of them) and I suspect the players for Baylor may feel the same way.
That idiotic call seems to have swung momentum. And agree...one of the dumbest calls I have ever seen.
Ugh I know. Btw going back to that — what the hell was the play call on that 4th and 1? Shit looked like a broken play from the jump. And then the QB literally just threw the ball away calmly. On 4th down??? At least try to force the ball into your receiver— if it gets picked, who cares, that’s even better.
I’m still thinking about it. Your defense has been spectacular all day, your offense has proven they can move the ball, just punt and keep playing ball. Make OSU work for points don’t hand them anything.
Thankfully just got a turnover AGAIN. Jesus 4 INTs today and they’re only up 8 thank you idiot coach and #89 who didn’t think he had to block a free rusher on the field goal unit.
Norm MacDonald has a funny quote about why football is so difficult to bet on (I.e. predict) compared to other sports. He just attributes it to the fact that in football the ball isn’t round, it’s oddly shaped so you have no idea which way it will bounce and hence greatly increases randomness and uncertainty— whereas in other sports with round balls you can better know what the ball is going to do and not do.
Obviously that can’t be the only reason haha but I thought that was pretty damn clever.
The lack of respect for ND is amazing. I get people hate them, but they are a really, really good team.
Michigan beat Ohio State on the score board and physically. IF ND did that to a highly ranked team they would have more respect. Just the way it goes sometimes. You play whose on your schedule.
The lack of respect for ND is amazing. I get people hate them, but they are a really, really good team.
I think even more amazing is the amount of random Michigan fans on a N.Y. teams message board. It’s the weirdest thing. I’ve come to expect ND fans to be everywhere. I run into them constantly on the road in completely random places. Just like freakin Cowboys fans. But Michigan? I don’t think I’ve ever come across a Michigan fan anywhere other than Michigan, unless they are an alum. But somehow on BBI there are tons of Michigan fans. Most of which couldn’t find the state if I put them within 5 miles. It’s just strange.
The lack of respect for ND is amazing. I get people hate them, but they are a really, really good team.
I think even more amazing is the amount of random Michigan fans on a N.Y. teams message board. It’s the weirdest thing. I’ve come to expect ND fans to be everywhere. I run into them constantly on the road in completely random places. Just like freakin Cowboys fans. But Michigan? I don’t think I’ve ever come across a Michigan fan anywhere other than Michigan, unless they are an alum. But somehow on BBI there are tons of Michigan fans. Most of which couldn’t find the state if I put them within 5 miles. It’s just strange.
I suspect most of the Michigan fans on BBI are alums or have family connections to the school.
Thanks! Looking forward to it. Hoping Michigan airs it out tonight to make L Iowa play from behind. Basically the opposite game plan as the Ohio State game b/c Iowa’s offense is plodding
As someone who truly doesn’t have any real dog in these fights (other than for betting purposes), I’m just gonna give my honest opinion that I do not think Iowa stands even a slight chance of beating UM.
apparently at 85 years old texted Harbaugh last weekend re: Mich against Ohio st and he said that was as good of a display of o-line play as he’s ever seen in his life. Think about that.
I could be wrong (upsets happen all the time), but — My prediction Is one of 2 things will happen:
1) Iowa’s offense will do nothing, but their defense will make enough big stops and big plays at the right moments to manage to keep the game within 10 points for the first 3 quarters. But the defense will have been on the field all game dead tired so that by the 4th quarter that Michigan rushing attack just becomes too much and they eventually pull away with a couple TDs (either break a big long run OR seal it with a long time consuming drive running the ball over and over), Michigan wins by like 20
Or…
2) Iowa’s offense will do nothing, and the Michigan offense will just be overpowering from the outset and they win by like 40.
Sandbagging Georgia by playing shitty all year, but just good enough to make the SEC title game so they can beat them. A long con only the likes of Saban could concoct lol
If it had been lower it would’ve hit the upright and there’s no guarantee it would’ve gone in. What is the rule on a ball flying over the upright? How do they determine if it’s good or not? Do they just basically say if any part of the ball is on the inside of the upright it’s good?
I was gonna say— this is a fun game just based on all the talent out there. From the first couple plays you could sense there was just a lot of big Football egos on the field, a ton of pride… each of these guys on both sides have gone from pee wee football up through high school always being the best player or one of the best players on the field, best players in the country, and now here they are facing off as part of these world class programs that are basically like all star teams for top national recruits.
Don’t just fall on a fumble. Like really you’re going to scoop and score from your own goddamn 28 yard line with like 6 offensive players you’d have to dodge on the way. Who are you Jim Brown. Fall on the goddamn ball.
they will put Bama in if they lose. There's a lot of Bama fatigue and if they put them in they'd have a rematch new years eve. I dont see it.
I do believe they are clearly the two best teams in the country, but dont see a 2 loss Bama making it.
Disagree. Bama is in with a very close loss to Georgia. Georgia has manhandled literally everyone else they’ve played and it’s not like they play against scrubs. The fact that Bama has already proven they may be one of the few threats to Georgia’s otherwise “inevitable” dominance that everyone has been talking about will be enough for the committee to put them in. The committee doesn’t care about number of losses nor even head to heads etc theyve proven they will just put in the teams they truly believe are the best (within reason of course).
Keeping them out in a very close loss. Best QB in the country. They probably win but if not the narrative will shift big time putting them in with two losses. Ok state losing opened the door.
Keeping them out in a very close loss. Best QB in the country. They probably win but if not the narrative will shift big time putting them in with two losses. Ok state losing opened the door.
take into a count, even if they lose in a close game, who other than Georgia is better than them? No other team put into the CFP will be as good, for that reason Bama is in no matter what, unless they get totally blown out the second half
they will put Bama in if they lose. There's a lot of Bama fatigue and if they put them in they'd have a rematch new years eve. I dont see it.
I do believe they are clearly the two best teams in the country, but dont see a 2 loss Bama making it.
Btw I will also just say: there may be “Bama fatigue” in about 98% of the country (I.e. 49 states) but there is zero Bama fatigue in the CFP committee. If anything it’s the opposite. Alabama’s past excellence has absolutely influenced the committee in their evaluations and I don’t think the committee is even ashamed of that being the case.
Keeping them out in a very close loss. Best QB in the country. They probably win but if not the narrative will shift big time putting them in with two losses. Ok state losing opened the door.
Can’t see ND without its HC getting the nod.
Cincy also has to win to make it interesting. If they lose Bama is in no questions. Cincy is in a battle with Houston currently.
Notre Dame doesnt belong in over them even if Cincy loses. Do I think ND would beat them if they played again? Probably. But head to head has to matter and Cincy beat ND at ND. It would be wrong to put ND in over them, even if you think ND is better right now. Cincy earned a berth over ND by what happened in south bend in early october.
the most of all of them but I see him as a 2nd round guy. Really dont think there's a 1st round talent in this draft. There's probably 3 that will go in the first round, but the Giants should not be targeting someone this year
What a throw by Young. Beautiful. Great protection from the Alabama OL. The announcer was right. They did an excellent job picking up that stunt by Georgia.
What a throw by Young. Beautiful. Great protection from the Alabama OL. The announcer was right. They did an excellent job picking up that stunt by Georgia.
I was confused been so long since I saw a stunt get picked up
What a throw by Young. Beautiful. Great protection from the Alabama OL. The announcer was right. They did an excellent job picking up that stunt by Georgia.
I was confused been so long since I saw a stunt get picked up
Trying to organize trip to the Horseshoe for ND OSU opening weekend.
That would be awesome experience for you. One of the great stadiums. Give me a lot of the college stadiums and atmosphere over the NFL’ modern ones any day.
Georgia is most likely also in the CFP. That means the last two may be Cincy (assuming they hold on), then Michigan may be ND's last hope. If Michigan wins, thats our top 4 right? Bama/UGA/Cincy/Mich..
Why are they guaranteed in, even with a loss, they have their shot at Bama right now.
They have played from behind for all of 20 minutes this season. Smurf quarterback. Not built to play from behind and I'm surprised no analysts really talked about that when they're up against a high octane passing game and a defense that can handle power.
Why are they guaranteed in, even with a loss, they have their shot at Bama right now.
Georgia has allowed 6.9 points per game playing an SEC schedule. They have aside from Clemson, a 10-3 win, and today, crushed everyone in their path. Alabama might be the only team in the country that can do this to the Georgia defense (maybe Ohio State too, but we'll never know)
Why are they guaranteed in, even with a loss, they have their shot at Bama right now.
Because you shouldn’t get penalized after an entire season of dominating and being undefeated. Why should another 1 loss team be in over them?
been the way it has for years. A late season loss kicks you out. Getting dominated by another team in the playoffs the last game before the playoffs should knock you at as well. Especially against a team that struggled against a terrible Auburn team with an injured back up QB.
“I have a good idea: I’ll run a crossing route, wait until the exact moment the QB throws it with the intention of leading me— THEN I’ll stop running. It’s bulletproof— Genius even 🤔.”
Why are they guaranteed in, even with a loss, they have their shot at Bama right now.
Because you shouldn’t get penalized after an entire season of dominating and being undefeated. Why should another 1 loss team be in over them?
been the way it has for years. A late season loss kicks you out. Getting dominated by another team in the playoffs the last game before the playoffs should knock you at as well. Especially against a team that struggled against a terrible Auburn team with an injured back up QB.
No it hasn’t, not to the #1 team in the country, undefeated and from the best conference.
And should. But so far today...I don't see them winning it all. Bama owns them. And Bama is getting in.
The one thing I’ll say though: Georgia still when all is said and done still may have more talent than Bama. But Bama is better coached and has better schemed for this game. Give Georgia now a full month weeks to review this game film and prepare for Bama and then we’ll see if Bama can repeat this.
Let’s also remember Bama undoubtedly needed this game more than Georgia, so I’m not gonna jump to conclusion yet that Georgia is just incapable of beating Bama this year … not yet at least.
like a lot of coaches panic. You have to take the field goal down 14 on 4th and 9 in the 3rd quarter. If it's 4th and 2, go for it. 4th and 9 is such low percentage to begin with
Why are they guaranteed in, even with a loss, they have their shot at Bama right now.
Because you shouldn’t get penalized after an entire season of dominating and being undefeated. Why should another 1 loss team be in over them?
been the way it has for years. A late season loss kicks you out. Getting dominated by another team in the playoffs the last game before the playoffs should knock you at as well. Especially against a team that struggled against a terrible Auburn team with an injured back up QB.
What has been what way for years? You're referring to sicne the CFP with 4 teams? Or when it used to just be 2 teams chosen to play for the Title? And are you describing what you think should happen in your opinion? or what you think will happen?
Georgia is in. Period. Their resume up until this game has been head and shoulders above every other team in the country. A loss to the #3 team in a game that #3 team needed desperately, even if it is convincing, does not suddenly knock them out of the top 4 CFP spots. And it shouldn't
Forget about what Auburn did to Bama, that will not weigh into the committee kicking Georgia out. That's irrelevant. Georgia beat the crap out of Auburn.
And what do you mean this is their "shot" at Alabama? If these 2 teams end up #1 and #2, they won't play each other in the semi-final. You're saying Georgia shouldn't even be allowed to play in the semi-final because it could lead to them playing Bama again and they already "had their shot"? So therefore drop them to #5 or #6 even if their resume is deserving of a top 3 spot? This logic makes no sense. Georgia is in. They're allowed to have their one loss against a great team just like every other one loss team (except for Bama who had their loss to fucking A&M).
Fair points. I think Saban also has a month to plan……
I want to see what Michigan does tonight but they can physically play with both these teams . That OL is outstanding.
Definitely Saban with a month to plan is scary. I think in my eyes I'm thinking when teams play each other multiple times and have more time to prepare, the most talent team ultimately prevails (kind of like a 7 game series in the NBA), but still Saban with time to prepare is lethal. We'll see if he comes out with anything new next time that he didn't have for this game too.
What was spread? UGA -12.5? HAHAHA. Tell me you didn't take parlay.
LOL I absolutely took that parlay. That $1000 payout for $50 bet was too tempting. I bought the UGA hype. I fell for it hard. I still don't count them out for the National Championship just yet. But damn they let me down today.
Why are they guaranteed in, even with a loss, they have their shot at Bama right now.
Because you shouldn’t get penalized after an entire season of dominating and being undefeated. Why should another 1 loss team be in over them?
been the way it has for years. A late season loss kicks you out. Getting dominated by another team in the playoffs the last game before the playoffs should knock you at as well. Especially against a team that struggled against a terrible Auburn team with an injured back up QB.
What has been what way for years? You're referring to sicne the CFP with 4 teams? Or when it used to just be 2 teams chosen to play for the Title? And are you describing what you think should happen in your opinion? or what you think will happen?
Georgia is in. Period. Their resume up until this game has been head and shoulders above every other team in the country. A loss to the #3 team in a game that #3 team needed desperately, even if it is convincing, does not suddenly knock them out of the top 4 CFP spots. And it shouldn't
Forget about what Auburn did to Bama, that will not weigh into the committee kicking Georgia out. That's irrelevant. Georgia beat the crap out of Auburn.
And what do you mean this is their "shot" at Alabama? If these 2 teams end up #1 and #2, they won't play each other in the semi-final. You're saying Georgia shouldn't even be allowed to play in the semi-final because it could lead to them playing Bama again and they already "had their shot"? So therefore drop them to #5 or #6 even if their resume is deserving of a top 3 spot? This logic makes no sense. Georgia is in. They're allowed to have their one loss against a great team just like every other one loss team (except for Bama who had their loss to fucking A&M).
Actually like Georgia, but historically in college football if you lose late in the season you’re out. SEC is down across the board this year so their schedule was nothing special. Best win was probably against a struggling Clemson team. Committee put the importance on winning your conference championship, so if there is the importance in winning there should be corresponding negative consequence for losing.
Fair points. I think Saban also has a month to plan……
I want to see what Michigan does tonight but they can physically play with both these teams . That OL is outstanding.
Also yeah I'm looking forward to Michigan. I think they're a great team and they convinced me based on last week's performance that they could contend for a title. That o-line + Haskins is scary, and that front 7 is great too. They can run the ball and rush the passer and their QB is good on 3rd down-- that's the formula for winning championships at any level of football. I now believe in them even moreso with Georgia now looking mortal. The title is up for grabs.
Also I'm disappointed we likely now won't see a Cinci vs. Georgia rematch in the semi-final (rematch of that awesome peach bowl last year where Cincy should of won-- were up 10 in the 4th and blew it).
Why are they guaranteed in, even with a loss, they have their shot at Bama right now.
Because you shouldn’t get penalized after an entire season of dominating and being undefeated. Why should another 1 loss team be in over them?
been the way it has for years. A late season loss kicks you out. Getting dominated by another team in the playoffs the last game before the playoffs should knock you at as well. Especially against a team that struggled against a terrible Auburn team with an injured back up QB.
What has been what way for years? You're referring to sicne the CFP with 4 teams? Or when it used to just be 2 teams chosen to play for the Title? And are you describing what you think should happen in your opinion? or what you think will happen?
Georgia is in. Period. Their resume up until this game has been head and shoulders above every other team in the country. A loss to the #3 team in a game that #3 team needed desperately, even if it is convincing, does not suddenly knock them out of the top 4 CFP spots. And it shouldn't
Forget about what Auburn did to Bama, that will not weigh into the committee kicking Georgia out. That's irrelevant. Georgia beat the crap out of Auburn.
And what do you mean this is their "shot" at Alabama? If these 2 teams end up #1 and #2, they won't play each other in the semi-final. You're saying Georgia shouldn't even be allowed to play in the semi-final because it could lead to them playing Bama again and they already "had their shot"? So therefore drop them to #5 or #6 even if their resume is deserving of a top 3 spot? This logic makes no sense. Georgia is in. They're allowed to have their one loss against a great team just like every other one loss team (except for Bama who had their loss to fucking A&M).
Actually like Georgia, but historically in college football if you lose late in the season you’re out. SEC is down across the board this year so their schedule was nothing special. Best win was probably against a struggling Clemson team. Committee put the importance on winning your conference championship, so if there is the importance in winning there should be corresponding negative consequence for losing.
Again-- you're saying "historically in college football." Are you if we were talking about a situation PRIOR TO THE CFP where there were only 2 teams chosen for the National Championship, maybe I could see you at least having an argument of sorts, but since the CFP, there are FOUR teams. FOUR is more than TWO. Therefore you can't necessarily apply your same logic.
Perfect example: When #2Michigan was undefeated and lost to #1 Ohio St (also undefeated) in 2006, what happened? Michigan dropped to #3 and they did not get to play in the national championship. Instead-- the 1 loss Florida Gators played Ohio state for the title, even though a lot of people thought Michigan was likely the 2nd best team in the country. That sounds like what you're referring to. BUT-- if the CFP were around back then, Michigan would've been #3 and would've made the CFP. Different times. 4 is more than 2. Michigan fell to #3. Also Michigan didn't have the far and away best resume going into that game with Ohio st the way Georgia did here, they were the #2 team in the country.
I like bigger QB’s and felt that way earlier. He seems to be really smart about protecting himself and his skills are outstanding moving in the pocket. The OL has not been great this year and he fared very well.
Thought Georgia was automatically in, win or lose.
After getting their asses kicked that may not be true.
They’re in
They suck
It's one game. Bama lost to goddam A&M and they're in.
Bama needed this game to get in most likely, Georgia didn't. The sense of urgency was obvious on Bama's part in comparison. It's almost like an NFL team in week 18 that's jostling for #3 or #4 seed playing a team that is literally playing to make it into the playoffs. It has real effects. The SEC title was not the end all be all goal for Georgia and it wasn't for Alabama either. This game was a stepping stone to the CFP for both teams and it meant more to Bama.
Also I see no evidence that can make us certain that any team BESIDES Alabama can do this to Georgia. The SEC is still the SEC and usually those games are absolute dogfights until the very end-- for Georgia they blew teams out by an average of 33 points. This is one bad game.
how many #1, undefeated teams from the best conference in football drop from 1 to past 4 after losing the conference championship game to the #3 team in the country,one that’s dominated the sport for the last 10-15 years?
If I am Dawgs fan right now...I am spooked. Between Bennett & no show D...
Spooked for sure. But undeserving of the 2nd chance that every other elite 1 loss team (most of whom didn't have nearly as impressive of a resume otherwise) has gotten this year?
That's all I'm saying.
Not saying they're definitely still title-bound. But many great teams over the years have laid a big fat stinker at some point. Every '85 Bears has their MNF against Marino. Now, usually those come in the middle of the season and not the SEC title game, but at the same time I think this is different because Georgia was in a unique position where literally anything could happen today and they would've still gotten in. Like an exhibition game at that point.
Also I'm gonna say one more thing: I have to imagine it seemed psychologically daunting realizing that if they had beaten Alabama, but hadn't beaten them by ENOUGH, it was very likely that Alabama would've gotten in as #4 and Georgia would've had to play them again regardless. I have to imagine that sucks especially against a team like Alabama, you're daunted rival. Like-- after all Georgia has done, if they'd found a way to beat Alabama by 3 points today, they would've had to turn around and just play them all over again? Like they would've had to beat them by like 17 to kill them? It's like shooting the T-1000 with that bazooka gun thing that Terminator had and he just kept coming back. haha
ND is not making the CFP. And as an ND fan, I am fine with that. NY 6 bowl...Peach or Fiesta...is fine with me.
ND will be back in CFP soon enough with a loaded roster. Just hoping Marcus is better game day coach than Kirby.
BTW-- What do you think happens if Michigan loses tonight? (Even though I'm already on the record basically saying it is categorically impossible for that to happen in this space-time reality as we know it-- what do I know lol.)
likely see Bama-Georgia again on January 10th. Georgia I would assume would be much more prepared for Bama's passing attack but still dont think they'd win.
There is NO comparison between the Georgia coaching staff and Bamas.
Saban, O'Brien, Marrone, Golding, etc.
Congratulations bw, you said "Book it" last week and were dead on (as much as I would have liked to have seen Georgia win). I should have listened to you and bet big $$ today.
They aren't getting in. If you want to put a 2 loss team in over ND, it certainly wont be Michigan. It would be Baylor.
There's not an argument to be made for Michigan being in with a loss. You can't have amnesia and forget that they have two losses if they were to lose. One great performance at home wouldn't change the fact that they had two losses and no conference title.
They aren't getting in. If you want to put a 2 loss team in over ND, it certainly wont be Michigan. It would be Baylor.
There's not an argument to be made for Michigan being in with a loss. You can't have amnesia and forget that they have two losses if they were to lose. One great performance at home wouldn't change the fact that they had two losses and no conference title.
1 loss by 1 point. Dominating win over a top 4 team. And there’s nobody else. Notre Dame has a weak schedule and conference championship game
They aren't getting in. If you want to put a 2 loss team in over ND, it certainly wont be Michigan. It would be Baylor.
There's not an argument to be made for Michigan being in with a loss. You can't have amnesia and forget that they have two losses if they were to lose. One great performance at home wouldn't change the fact that they had two losses and no conference title.
1 loss by 1 point. Dominating win over a top 4 team. And there’s nobody else. Notre Dame has a weak schedule and conference championship game
If they lose tonight, they'd have two losses. And please explain how the committee could justify putting Michigan in over Iowa if Michigan loses tonight. Forget ND and everyone else. If both teams are 11-2, one has a conference title and that same team beat Michigan, you couldn't even justify putting them in over Iowa.
Michigan played a great game against Ohio State. That doesn't mean you would just ignore that they have 2 losses and didnt win the conference title.
There isnt a path for michigan getting in with a loss
There is NO comparison between the Georgia coaching staff and Bamas.
Saban, O'Brien, Marrone, Golding, etc.
Congratulations bw, you said "Book it" last week and were dead on (as much as I would have liked to have seen Georgia win). I should have listened to you and bet big $$ today.
Thanks. I had a feeling Marrone would get the OL right and Young would he can make more winning plays than Bennett.
And Saban knows how to win these games. Let's face it - Bama is loaded with 4 and 5 star talent at every position. It's an amazing amount of depth.
They aren't getting in. If you want to put a 2 loss team in over ND, it certainly wont be Michigan. It would be Baylor.
There's not an argument to be made for Michigan being in with a loss. You can't have amnesia and forget that they have two losses if they were to lose. One great performance at home wouldn't change the fact that they had two losses and no conference title.
1 loss by 1 point. Dominating win over a top 4 team. And there’s nobody else. Notre Dame has a weak schedule and conference championship game
If they lose tonight, they'd have two losses. And please explain how the committee could justify putting Michigan in over Iowa if Michigan loses tonight. Forget ND and everyone else. If both teams are 11-2, one has a conference title and that same team beat Michigan, you couldn't even justify putting them in over Iowa.
Michigan played a great game against Ohio State. That doesn't mean you would just ignore that they have 2 losses and didnt win the conference title.
There isnt a path for michigan getting in with a loss
Cinci will have to play Alabama in the semi-final.
Talk about trial by fire for the Group of 5 amirite??? lol. Well no better way to learn how to swim than jumping in the deep end. First group of 5 CFP game against the most successful program in the history of the CFP. Carrying the torch is never easy.
They aren't getting in. If you want to put a 2 loss team in over ND, it certainly wont be Michigan. It would be Baylor.
There's not an argument to be made for Michigan being in with a loss. You can't have amnesia and forget that they have two losses if they were to lose. One great performance at home wouldn't change the fact that they had two losses and no conference title.
1 loss by 1 point. Dominating win over a top 4 team. And there’s nobody else. Notre Dame has a weak schedule and conference championship game
If they lose tonight, they'd have two losses. And please explain how the committee could justify putting Michigan in over Iowa if Michigan loses tonight. Forget ND and everyone else. If both teams are 11-2, one has a conference title and that same team beat Michigan, you couldn't even justify putting them in over Iowa.
Michigan played a great game against Ohio State. That doesn't mean you would just ignore that they have 2 losses and didnt win the conference title.
There isnt a path for michigan getting in with a loss
Michigan beat Wisconsin by 3 TDs, Iowa lost to Wisconsin by 3 TDs. Iowa would have to have a big one to knock out Michigan.
They aren't getting in. If you want to put a 2 loss team in over ND, it certainly wont be Michigan. It would be Baylor.
There's not an argument to be made for Michigan being in with a loss. You can't have amnesia and forget that they have two losses if they were to lose. One great performance at home wouldn't change the fact that they had two losses and no conference title.
1 loss by 1 point. Dominating win over a top 4 team. And there’s nobody else. Notre Dame has a weak schedule and conference championship game
If they lose tonight, they'd have two losses. And please explain how the committee could justify putting Michigan in over Iowa if Michigan loses tonight. Forget ND and everyone else. If both teams are 11-2, one has a conference title and that same team beat Michigan, you couldn't even justify putting them in over Iowa.
Michigan played a great game against Ohio State. That doesn't mean you would just ignore that they have 2 losses and didnt win the conference title.
There isnt a path for michigan getting in with a loss
Michigan beat Wisconsin by 3 TDs, Iowa lost to Wisconsin by 3 TDs. Iowa would have to have a big one to knock out Michigan.
Oh ok so that should absolutely matter more than Iowa beating Michigan tonight if it were to happen, right? Clearly the way they each played against the same opponent would matter more than an actual head to head meeting in the conference title game.
Michigan wouldnt even be in the mix if they lose tonight. I very much doubt they will lose, but if it happens they have as much chance to play in the playoffs as Rutgers does
Simply put Michigan loses badly, or not even badly
They aren't getting in. If you want to put a 2 loss team in over ND, it certainly wont be Michigan. It would be Baylor.
There's not an argument to be made for Michigan being in with a loss. You can't have amnesia and forget that they have two losses if they were to lose. One great performance at home wouldn't change the fact that they had two losses and no conference title.
1 loss by 1 point. Dominating win over a top 4 team. And there’s nobody else. Notre Dame has a weak schedule and conference championship game
If they lose tonight, they'd have two losses. And please explain how the committee could justify putting Michigan in over Iowa if Michigan loses tonight. Forget ND and everyone else. If both teams are 11-2, one has a conference title and that same team beat Michigan, you couldn't even justify putting them in over Iowa.
Michigan played a great game against Ohio State. That doesn't mean you would just ignore that they have 2 losses and didnt win the conference title.
There isnt a path for michigan getting in with a loss
Michigan beat Wisconsin by 3 TDs, Iowa lost to Wisconsin by 3 TDs. Iowa would have to have a big one to knock out Michigan.
Oh ok so that should absolutely matter more than Iowa beating Michigan tonight if it were to happen, right? Clearly the way they each played against the same opponent would matter more than an actual head to head meeting in the conference title game.
Michigan wouldnt even be in the mix if they lose tonight. I very much doubt they will lose, but if it happens they have as much chance to play in the playoffs as Rutgers does
Ask Michigan state if the committee gave a fuck that they’d beaten Michigan head to head. Once Michigan state lost in week 10, it didn’t matter that they had 1 loss equal to Michigan’s 1 loss while having the head to head win, the CFP ranked Michigan ahead of MSU that week and the following week as well regardless.
They just put in the team that they believe is better— and they do base it on a lot of quantitative and qualitive analysis that is real, it’s just that I don’t think head to head holds the executive significance you imagine it holds and that I guess it holds in other sports’ tiebreakers.
Here's why - they are a historic program with a great fan base that draws ratings. If you don't think that matters than you are naive...
Normally yes. No signature win. I also think the committee said something about injured players and coaches leaving may have a impact on final selection. That gives the committee a out from given into the pressure.
Here's why - they are a historic program with a great fan base that draws ratings. If you don't think that matters than you are naive...
I don’t think it’s the ratings. I think they’re the next team up. Part of me actually felt the opposite— ND could be discriminated against by the committee because of their past performances in the CFP, if not consciously at least subconsciously. But yeah they’re next up
especially since they won by an inch. Their strength of schedule was terrible this year too. ND is in in this scenario based on their play and schedule, not their fan base IMO.
Thing for Iowa is UM getting up. Hutch might be the #1 pick, and Ojabo is top 20. Good luck
This is why I envisioned at least a 20+ point mich win and as much as a 40+ point win.
Either Iowa will contain Michigan for 3 quarters and keep it working 10 points, but since they’re offense does nothing their defense will tire out and Michigan will roadgrade them in the 4th.
Or…. Michigan will get a decent lead early, Iowa will be forced to play an offense than don’t do well (meanwhile they don’t do anything well on offense so it’s doubly worse), next thing you know Michigan is getting turnovers and expanding their lead exponentially with nothing Iowa can do.
Actually is making plays with his arm. Twice in the red zone but only 3 points for Iowa.
Keep foot on gas Michigan.
He can throw short - intermediate passes over the middle. That’s his bread and butter. But if he has to throw the ball more than 20 yards downfield, or if he has make those deep out throws on the sideline that require serious zip, he just becomes wildly ugly. Hence why Iowa can’t afford to get down so big. They need to work methodically down the field and their run game needs to get working for Petrus to be good.
Michigan had a chance to put this thing away and just gave away to e chance right there. We’ll see if Iowa can settle down and make some big plays (maybe score an actual TD) but it’s an uphill battle.
But they're never joining the big 10, . Never going to even consider it.
They'll eventually join the ACC, but that wont happen as long as JS is the AD and the big time donors who are totally opposed to it are still alive.
Is their schedule basically purposely and methodically developed so that they technically have a high scoring SOS but almost never play ranked teams? Sure seems that way. Like they have some Analytics dude figuring how to game the SOS system since they can have flexibility with their own schedule so much.
I legit don’t know the reason. Just because they want to be special? Join the big 10 and shut everyone up.
It’s easier not playing in a conference right? They haven’t beat 1 top 25 team
all year. So if you can sneak in , why not?
Please explain how most years ND has a better SOS than Michigan or Ohio State.
No I’ve read that too— they do technically have strongest SOS of any of the top 10 ranked teams. That’s a real stat and I don’t know how lmao. I think they’ve games the system.
But they're never joining the big 10, . Never going to even consider it.
They'll eventually join the ACC, but that wont happen as long as JS is the AD and the big time donors who are totally opposed to it are still alive.
Is their schedule basically purposely and methodically developed so that they technically have a high scoring SOS but almost never play ranked teams? Sure seems that way. Like they have some Analytics dude figuring how to game the SOS system since they can have flexibility with their own schedule so much.
See that’s the thing, they usually play a good schedule. How can you know all these teams you scheduled 10 years ago would be down? I’m just talking this season, they beat no one.
But they're never joining the big 10, . Never going to even consider it.
They'll eventually join the ACC, but that wont happen as long as JS is the AD and the big time donors who are totally opposed to it are still alive.
Is their schedule basically purposely and methodically developed so that they technically have a high scoring SOS but almost never play ranked teams? Sure seems that way. Like they have some Analytics dude figuring how to game the SOS system since they can have flexibility with their own schedule so much.
See that’s the thing, they usually play a good schedule. How can you know all these teams you scheduled 10 years ago would be down? I’m just talking this season, they beat no one.
Their strength of schedule this year is quantitatively the strongest of all the top 10 teams. I’m trying to understand how that is or what that’s even based on. I’m not just saying “oh they play some good programs but those programs suck this year.” They quantitatively have the no. 1 SOS of all top 10 ranked teams and I don’t understand how that works without playing ranked teams.
But they're never joining the big 10, . Never going to even consider it.
They'll eventually join the ACC, but that wont happen as long as JS is the AD and the big time donors who are totally opposed to it are still alive.
Is their schedule basically purposely and methodically developed so that they technically have a high scoring SOS but almost never play ranked teams? Sure seems that way. Like they have some Analytics dude figuring how to game the SOS system since they can have flexibility with their own schedule so much.
See that’s the thing, they usually play a good schedule. How can you know all these teams you scheduled 10 years ago would be down? I’m just talking this season, they beat no one.
Their strength of schedule this year is quantitatively the strongest of all the top 10 teams. I’m trying to understand how that is or what that’s even based on. I’m not just saying “oh they play some good programs but those programs suck this year.” They quantitatively have the no. 1 SOS of all top 10 ranked teams and I don’t understand how that works without playing ranked teams.
If Michigan wins and assuming they play Georgia, McNamara is going to have to significantly up his level of play if they are going to win that game. Georgia isnt going to let Haskins beat them
But they're never joining the big 10, . Never going to even consider it.
They'll eventually join the ACC, but that wont happen as long as JS is the AD and the big time donors who are totally opposed to it are still alive.
Is their schedule basically purposely and methodically developed so that they technically have a high scoring SOS but almost never play ranked teams? Sure seems that way. Like they have some Analytics dude figuring how to game the SOS system since they can have flexibility with their own schedule so much.
See that’s the thing, they usually play a good schedule. How can you know all these teams you scheduled 10 years ago would be down? I’m just talking this season, they beat no one.
100% positive alabama knows 10 years ahead of time that Mercer, NM State and Southern Miss are going to suck
just saying
Notre Dame doesn't schedule games like that which is why they have a stronger SOS
But they're never joining the big 10, . Never going to even consider it.
They'll eventually join the ACC, but that wont happen as long as JS is the AD and the big time donors who are totally opposed to it are still alive.
Is their schedule basically purposely and methodically developed so that they technically have a high scoring SOS but almost never play ranked teams? Sure seems that way. Like they have some Analytics dude figuring how to game the SOS system since they can have flexibility with their own schedule so much.
See that’s the thing, they usually play a good schedule. How can you know all these teams you scheduled 10 years ago would be down? I’m just talking this season, they beat no one.
100% positive alabama knows 10 years ahead of time that Mercer, NM State and Southern Miss are going to suck
just saying
Notre Dame doesn't schedule games like that which is why they have a stronger SOS
Ah yes thanks for explaining. Also I just saw I guess they DID have strongest SOS of the top 10 teams as of a couple weeks ago. I think that’s not the case anymore after Rivalry weekend and obviously Conference championships. Amazingly Alabama’s is indeed now harder overall on the year despite playing Those shitty teams lol.
I get it now. ND just doesn’t play any of us those really awful teams that the SEC teams often play just to warmed up for the season and get some target practice on some lambs. So all in all it weighs out that ND has a strong SOS RELATIVELY without often having to play any truly elite teams.
No offense but why were you guys saying earlier that if you got a rematch with Cinci you think you'd definitely win? Didn't Cinci put a pretty good beat down on ND when they won that game??
No offense but why were you guys saying earlier that if you got a rematch with Cinci you think you'd definitely win? Didn't Cinci put a pretty good beat down on ND when they won that game??
as a ND fan, they def were not in sync at the beginning of the year. They were splitting time between qb's, the o-line was not playing well together, as the season progressed notre damn games looked considerably different
it's so stupid. what the hell are you supposed to do with your helmet. You have a helmet for in case someone bumps helmets with you lol. It's only bad if you forcibly purposely use the crown of your helmet a weapon and drive it into a guy's head when you could've easily avoided it. Obviously not what happened here.
it's so stupid. what the hell are you supposed to do with your helmet. You have a helmet for in case someone bumps helmets with you lol. It's only bad if you forcibly purposely use the crown of your helmet a weapon and drive it into a guy's head when you could've easily avoided it. Obviously not what happened here.
The rule is in place to protect the defender as much as it is to protect the ball carrier. I'm a bit surprised that wasn't targeting, you clearly had the crown of the helmet and it looked to me to be more than a little glancing blow. Not as bad as some i've seen but I agree with Pereira on that one it was targeting based on the rules.
They're trying to get the defenders to stop dipping their heads like that. It puts both players in a terrible position
it's so stupid. what the hell are you supposed to do with your helmet. You have a helmet for in case someone bumps helmets with you lol. It's only bad if you forcibly purposely use the crown of your helmet a weapon and drive it into a guy's head when you could've easily avoided it. Obviously not what happened here.
your taught to take your facemask and plant it into someone's chest. The helmet is designed to protect a player not lead the contact. As a former D1 football safety, I can tell you I've never encountered a coach that didn't light someone up for tackling like that, its just flat out dangerous
believes that was a legit targeting call. Your not supposed to lower your head and lead with the crown and should have 100% been a penalty
also the michigan player is lucky he didn't cripple himself
that was in the realm of possibly crippling himself. He was coming up on Petrus and I don't think he was purposely trying to hit helmet to helmet. If the offensive player starts to duck his body down and all of a sudden his helmet is level with your helmet, that's incidental. And he just slightly lowered his helmet and absorbed the contact, it's not like he put his head down at a 90 degree angle and launched his body crown-first into his head-and-neck area. Again there was not forcible contact he just slightly put his head down and absorbed the hit. He didn't come up aiming for Petrus's head. Petrus started to go down and that's why suddenly he was facing helmet to helmet with him instead of helmet to chest.
Devil is in the details with these. That one just did not look "forcible" at all which is a part of the criteria required. No malicious intent.
and it's so bad that neither of the Qb's know how to properly slide. No wonder DJ doesn't know how to do it, it's almost like they forgot to teach that in HS/College
it's so stupid. what the hell are you supposed to do with your helmet. You have a helmet for in case someone bumps helmets with you lol. It's only bad if you forcibly purposely use the crown of your helmet a weapon and drive it into a guy's head when you could've easily avoided it. Obviously not what happened here.
The rule is in place to protect the defender as much as it is to protect the ball carrier. I'm a bit surprised that wasn't targeting, you clearly had the crown of the helmet and it looked to me to be more than a little glancing blow. Not as bad as some i've seen but I agree with Pereira on that one it was targeting based on the rules.
They're trying to get the defenders to stop dipping their heads like that. It puts both players in a terrible position
I think the lack of forcible contact is what got him off. He did not aim with the crown of his helmet. Honestly looking closely he also didn't hit directly on the top of the crown of his head, it was sort of in between the very top of the crown and his face mask. He put his head down but not all the way and it wasn't forcible nor purposeful, I think the fact the helmets collided was more incidental and spurred by the way Petrus went down.
Probably not ideal he dipped his helmet I agree but as you said the action of it was like a 2 on the scale of 1-10 of how violent it looked. I'm guessing they did not want to give an automatic first down on a 3rd and 20 for something that technically was not ideal but was also really nothing that dangerous relatively speaking. Just my 2 cents.
Remember all the talk of how Chase Young’s lack of sacks and big games was because he was double teamed? Hutchison didn’t have a problem at all on that one. Freaking amazing!
believes that was a legit targeting call. Your not supposed to lower your head and lead with the crown and should have 100% been a penalty
also the michigan player is lucky he didn't cripple himself
that was in the realm of possibly crippling himself. He was coming up on Petrus and I don't think he was purposely trying to hit helmet to helmet. If the offensive player starts to duck his body down and all of a sudden his helmet is level with your helmet, that's incidental. And he just slightly lowered his helmet and absorbed the contact, it's not like he put his head down at a 90 degree angle and launched his body crown-first into his head-and-neck area. Again there was not forcible contact he just slightly put his head down and absorbed the hit. He didn't come up aiming for Petrus's head. Petrus started to go down and that's why suddenly he was facing helmet to helmet with him instead of helmet to chest.
Devil is in the details with these. That one just did not look "forcible" at all which is a part of the criteria required. No malicious intent.
2008 & Still Current (2008 NCAA Rulebook)
Initiating Contact/Targeting an Oppenent
1. No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul.
If you watch the play. The defender put his head down when closing in, your blind if you did not see his head go down. The rule specifically says, when in question it is a foul. It should have been called a foul on the initial play and not even needed to go to a review.
Also, I would challenge you to find a spinal specialist who would back your argument that you cannot get hurt with that form, regardless if your head is parallel with your spine, it is similar to being dropped directly on your head, and even if the defender had slowed down, he still has the momentum of 165 + lbs behind it
at all with the targeting rules. My problem is the punishment. Guys shouldn't be thrown out of a game unless its so egregious. It should basically be like a flagrant 1 and 2 in basketball. Targeting 1 is a 15 yard penalty. Targeting 2 is an ejection
Michigan, Alabama, Cincinnati, and Georgia. I think the committee will rank them in a way to avoid a SEC rematch in first round IMO, so it more than likely will end up being Alabama v Cincinnati and Georgia v Michigan.
will be Ohio State vs Utah. Terrific matchup there. This Utah team has been through more than just about any team in college football history not named Marshall.
believes that was a legit targeting call. Your not supposed to lower your head and lead with the crown and should have 100% been a penalty
also the michigan player is lucky he didn't cripple himself
that was in the realm of possibly crippling himself. He was coming up on Petrus and I don't think he was purposely trying to hit helmet to helmet. If the offensive player starts to duck his body down and all of a sudden his helmet is level with your helmet, that's incidental. And he just slightly lowered his helmet and absorbed the contact, it's not like he put his head down at a 90 degree angle and launched his body crown-first into his head-and-neck area. Again there was not forcible contact he just slightly put his head down and absorbed the hit. He didn't come up aiming for Petrus's head. Petrus started to go down and that's why suddenly he was facing helmet to helmet with him instead of helmet to chest.
Devil is in the details with these. That one just did not look "forcible" at all which is a part of the criteria required. No malicious intent.
2008 & Still Current (2008 NCAA Rulebook)
Initiating Contact/Targeting an Oppenent
1. No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul.
If you watch the play. The defender put his head down when closing in, your blind if you did not see his head go down. The rule specifically says, when in question it is a foul. It should have been called a foul on the initial play and not even needed to go to a review.
Also, I would challenge you to find a spinal specialist who would back your argument that you cannot get hurt with that form, regardless if your head is parallel with your spine, it is similar to being dropped directly on your head, and even if the defender had slowed down, he still has the momentum of 165 + lbs behind it
"No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet."
The point is he did not target Petrus with the crown of his helmet. It was incidental, and relatively mild. There was no forcible contact either (part of the specified criteria) like where he’d actually throw some weight behind his helmet in spearing the guy.
He was coming up to make a tackle, he was lower than Petrus, and Petrus was starting to go down so suddenly his helmet was in line with Petrus's helmet. I said in my last post: yes he lowered his helmet slightly, and I’m not defending that as IDEAL technique, but it’s like a 2 on the scale of 1-10 in terms dangerous technique as far as both he an Petrus are concerned. Go back and look. He didn't make contact directly with the top of the crown, it was an area in between the crown and the face-mask. He lowered it slightly and absorbed the incidental contact-- helmets literally collide on every single play and it's not like every single guy has his head perfectly up, but you want to just make sure you don’t literally have your facemask facing the ground, leading with all your weight behind the crown of your head (*shudder*). Compare that play to the ones where players actually get thrown out and you'll see why they didn't call the penalty there.
My guess is 1) the ref determined the helmet-to-helmet contact was incidental, not targeted, 2) it was not forcible contact (i.e. he didn’t throw his weight into the hit with the crown), and 3) he didn’t lower his helmet enough for call a penalty.
"he's lucky he didn't cripple himself"... "I suggest you speak to a spinal specialist" ... like what? So extreme, man. That thing you're talking about being "dropped directly on your head" is if he had literally threw his full body weight forward LEADING with the crown of his head down perpendicular to the ground. And put his full weight into the forcible contact with the crown. You're taking the fact that he lowered his helmet 2 centimeters to absorb INCIDENTAL contact and you're equating it with the most dreaded and dangerous tackling technique known to man.
believes that was a legit targeting call. Your not supposed to lower your head and lead with the crown and should have 100% been a penalty
also the michigan player is lucky he didn't cripple himself
that was in the realm of possibly crippling himself. He was coming up on Petrus and I don't think he was purposely trying to hit helmet to helmet. If the offensive player starts to duck his body down and all of a sudden his helmet is level with your helmet, that's incidental. And he just slightly lowered his helmet and absorbed the contact, it's not like he put his head down at a 90 degree angle and launched his body crown-first into his head-and-neck area. Again there was not forcible contact he just slightly put his head down and absorbed the hit. He didn't come up aiming for Petrus's head. Petrus started to go down and that's why suddenly he was facing helmet to helmet with him instead of helmet to chest.
Devil is in the details with these. That one just did not look "forcible" at all which is a part of the criteria required. No malicious intent.
2008 & Still Current (2008 NCAA Rulebook)
Initiating Contact/Targeting an Oppenent
1. No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul.
If you watch the play. The defender put his head down when closing in, your blind if you did not see his head go down. The rule specifically says, when in question it is a foul. It should have been called a foul on the initial play and not even needed to go to a review.
Also, I would challenge you to find a spinal specialist who would back your argument that you cannot get hurt with that form, regardless if your head is parallel with your spine, it is similar to being dropped directly on your head, and even if the defender had slowed down, he still has the momentum of 165 + lbs behind it
"No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet."
The point is he did not target Petrus with the crown of his helmet. It was incidental, and relatively mild. There was no forcible contact either (part of the specified criteria) like where he’d actually throw some weight behind his helmet in spearing the guy.
He was coming up to make a tackle, he was lower than Petrus, and Petrus was starting to go down so suddenly his helmet was in line with Petrus's helmet. I said in my last post: yes he lowered his helmet slightly, and I’m not defending that as IDEAL technique, but it’s like a 2 on the scale of 1-10 in terms dangerous technique as far as both he an Petrus are concerned. Go back and look. He didn't make contact directly with the top of the crown, it was an area in between the crown and the face-mask. He lowered it slightly and absorbed the incidental contact-- helmets literally collide on every single play and it's not like every single guy has his head perfectly up, but you want to just make sure you don’t literally have your facemask facing the ground, leading with all your weight behind the crown of your head (*shudder*). Compare that play to the ones where players actually get thrown out and you'll see why they didn't call the penalty there.
My guess is 1) the ref determined the helmet-to-helmet contact was incidental, not targeted, 2) it was not forcible contact (i.e. he didn’t throw his weight into the hit with the crown), and 3) he didn’t lower his helmet enough for call a penalty.
"he's lucky he didn't cripple himself"... "I suggest you speak to a spinal specialist" ... like what? So extreme, man. That thing you're talking about being "dropped directly on your head" is if he had literally threw his full body weight forward LEADING with the crown of his head down perpendicular to the ground. And put his full weight into the forcible contact with the crown. You're taking the fact that he lowered his helmet 2 centimeters to absorb INCIDENTAL contact and you're equating it with the most dreaded and dangerous tackling technique known to man.
feel free to go to youtube the live feed and rewind. At no point was he lower than Petrus. Your blind AF and most likely a michigan fan
I have zero dog in this fight and other than being a D1 college safety on a football scholarship who majored in sports medicine I really dont know what im talking about regarding how safe his tackle was :shrug:
when Ferentz has waved the white flag by punting is shitty.
That's Harbaugh, he's a dickwad of the first degree
I wouldnt even shake his hand if I'm ferentz after the game.
Iowa punting means no fucking flea flickers and deep shots. If a guy breaks a 3 yard pass for a touchdown or a long run, so be it. I know it's typical for Harbaugh. Total jerkoff
Michigan will be #1 followed by Bama, Cincy, and Georgia last
Bama is going to be #1. 1 loss and beat the hell out of the #1 team in Georgia today. And they arent going to want Bama-Georgia semifinals if they make them #2.
If they make Michigan #1, they'll make Georgia 4, even though I dont think that happens.
I'd be shocked if they put Georgia-Bama in semis when they played today. They can easily make an argument for Bama to be #1 to avoid that.
Michigan is goingt o have to throw the ball very well to be in the game at the end against Georgia
when Ferentz has waved the white flag by punting is shitty.
That's Harbaugh, he's a dickwad of the first degree
I wouldnt even shake his hand if I'm ferentz after the game.
Iowa punting means no fucking flea flickers and deep shots. If a guy breaks a 3 yard pass for a touchdown or a long run, so be it. I know it's typical for Harbaugh. Total jerkoff
Imagine what Harbs would think of you? A POS loser. Take your L and stfu
can’t reward Bama with playing Georgia again. Michigan should have to beat one of the SEC teams to make the finals. Cincy will have to go through 2 (or if Michigan wins their first game).
when Ferentz has waved the white flag by punting is shitty.
That's Harbaugh, he's a dickwad of the first degree
I wouldnt even shake his hand if I'm ferentz after the game.
Iowa punting means no fucking flea flickers and deep shots. If a guy breaks a 3 yard pass for a touchdown or a long run, so be it. I know it's typical for Harbaugh. Total jerkoff
Imagine what Harbs would think of you? A POS loser. Take your L and stfu
Given the fact that teams ranked higher won their games.
But Bama beat the #1 team. It's easy to justify. Especially when both teams have 1 loss.
Either way however they are ranked Michigan is going to play Georgia. I know Michigan would much rather not have to play Georgia but they are going to play Georgia.
RE: I just don't think they can jump Bama that high
when Ferentz has waved the white flag by punting is shitty.
That's Harbaugh, he's a dickwad of the first degree
I wouldnt even shake his hand if I'm ferentz after the game.
Iowa punting means no fucking flea flickers and deep shots. If a guy breaks a 3 yard pass for a touchdown or a long run, so be it. I know it's typical for Harbaugh. Total jerkoff
I mean considering the CFP committee basically takes style points isnd margin of victory etc into consideration how can you blame him? If you don’t want this typa shit then don’t have a system where the playoff teams are voted on by humans. He’s doing this just in case 42-3 is enough to make the difference in the final standings— He wants to be #1 in the country and play Cinci instead of Georgia. Who wouldn’t do everything in their power to make that happen.
And I don’t know what this talk or “he waved the white flag” … he punted because he knew they were going to get the first down because their offense is abysmal and he saw that as being the best way to save face and maybe limit the final score to less of a blowout. Lol you presented that as though he was doing some generous favor to Harbaugh.
game is a joke most years because the other half of the division might as well be the minor leagues. Doesn't seem like they're ever going to fix that issue but the division Iowa is in is worthless
RE: RE: I don't think ND fans can complain about Harbaugh being a douche
when they had Brian Kelly as their coach for the last 13 years. That's kind of rich to me
Kelly has been a douche at times, sure. But he's never done shit like this running the score up. Had many many chances to do so over 12 years
I think Kelly was a real douche leaving ND and his players who played their butts off for him all season for $95 million at LSU when they still had a reasonable shot to make the playoff
game is a joke most years because the other half of the division might as well be the minor leagues. Doesn't seem like they're ever going to fix that issue but the division Iowa is in is worthless
The Big 10 West needs a strong Nebraska team, otherwise it'll always be pretty weak. With a terrible Nebraska, there's no true national power in the West. Wisconsin is the closest to that, but they're probably a rung below the top teams
RE: RE: RE: I don't think ND fans can complain about Harbaugh being a douche
when they had Brian Kelly as their coach for the last 13 years. That's kind of rich to me
Kelly has been a douche at times, sure. But he's never done shit like this running the score up. Had many many chances to do so over 12 years
I think Kelly was a real douche leaving ND and his players who played their butts off for him all season for $95 million at LSU when they still had a reasonable shot to make the playoff
I’m not even an ND fan but I was imagining like what if they made the playoff and actually ended up winning the championship? Would Kelly have even gotten a ring? I mean not that it matters it still would’ve been ultra embarrassing for him to have bailed on a team that then went on to win a title considering one of the main reasons he left was to have a chance to win a title lmao (well and for money Of course)
when they had Brian Kelly as their coach for the last 13 years. That's kind of rich to me
Kelly has been a douche at times, sure. But he's never done shit like this running the score up. Had many many chances to do so over 12 years
I think Kelly was a real douche leaving ND and his players who played their butts off for him all season for $95 million at LSU when they still had a reasonable shot to make the playoff
The early signing period and the way things are set up in college football means you will have shit like this happen. I dont blame him for that and think ND will be better off in the long run because i think he got them as far as he was capable. Not being a recruiter really at all was Kelly's major flaw and likely what has prevented them from taking the next step.
The timing of it is shitty but I blame it more on the early signing period than anything. If you're going to leave you pretty much have to do it before the bowl games
believes Metchie has a torn ACL. Big loss for them and hate to hear that for Metchie. Good player and to get hurt right befor ethe playoff just sucks
That sucks for them. I loved watching Metchie’s feel for the game. Whenever Young was struggling to find someone, he always had a way of finding soft spot in his line of site.
a ND fan, it is probably good for them to miss out on the CFP and just get a New Years Day bowl game. They will end up #5 which is outstanding for what was regarded as a re-build year. As well as they played in the final half season, I do not think they are close to the top 4(well maybe Cinncy).
But I am sure CFP wants a Georgia/Alabama rematch so I will bet 'Bama jumps Michigan to #1. But as well as Michigan is playing and as exposed as Georgia was last night, it would not surprise me to see Michigan beat Georgia.
No offense but why were you guys saying earlier that if you got a rematch with Cinci you think you'd definitely win? Didn't Cinci put a pretty good beat down on ND when they won that game??
I think ND would win if the two met tomorrow. ND was @ the start of the season; new OL, splitting QBs, etc...hell, ND almost lost to freaking Toledo in mid September. ND right now is a MUCH, MUCH better team in December than it was a couple of months ago. We'll never know & the Bearcats deserve to make the CFP.
with Harbaugh calling passes in a game that's already won
Harbaugh always has been and always will be a jerkoff.
Flea flicker up 25 in a game where Ferentz punted waving the white flag.
It's like Joel Klaat isnt even watching the game. "When you're just handing the football off like this its fair game"
Did he miss the 3rd and 4 throw from the 20 yard line into the endzone? Or the flea flicker on 1st down up 25?
It's a scumbag move from a scumbag coach. Great year but winning with class has never been a thing for him, all the way back to Stanford
Didn’t you always rush to defend Harbaugh when he coached San Fran? It seems I remember you always gushing about him because your brother is a Niners fan and whenever someone on BBI had something negative to say about Harbaugh at the time you’d always push back and tell everyone how awesome he was. I don’t remember you saying these things about him when he was running your brothers favorite team. Though I suppose I could be misremembering
Perhaps Harbaugh should have put in his backups when it was 28-3, but the hate on Harbaugh seems disproportionate here. It’s not like he texted his players goodbye
To say Bama and Georgia are the two best teams in the nation. They have been 1-2 for a lot of the year. However that doesn’t mean they should automatically avoid each other in the semi final either. It showing direct bias towards a conference.
Bama did have the best victory but they struggled against many teams this year (Auburn, Arkansas, Florida…). So while they were absolutely awesome this week… so was Michigan the last two weeks.
I don’t think Michigan would have a chance against either, but they probably deserve the 1 seed for their work for the entire year. Remember their only loss came on a very controversial game where the Big 10 admitted the officials royally screwed them basicaly all game.
RE: RE: question for ND fans (SFG, I'm lookin at you)
No offense but why were you guys saying earlier that if you got a rematch with Cinci you think you'd definitely win? Didn't Cinci put a pretty good beat down on ND when they won that game??
I think ND would win if the two met tomorrow. ND was @ the start of the season; new OL, splitting QBs, etc...hell, ND almost lost to freaking Toledo in mid September. ND right now is a MUCH, MUCH better team in December than it was a couple of months ago. We'll never know & the Bearcats deserve to make the CFP.
I agree. ND is a much different(better)team then when they met two months ago. And Michigan is a much different team then one month ago.
I still put Cincy in at #4 because at 12-0 they deserve it and they did beat ND which definitely counts.
To say Bama and Georgia are the two best teams in the nation. They have been 1-2 for a lot of the year. However that doesn’t mean they should automatically avoid each other in the semi final either. It showing direct bias towards a conference.
Bama did have the best victory but they struggled against many teams this year (Auburn, Arkansas, Florida…). So while they were absolutely awesome this week… so was Michigan the last two weeks.
I don’t think Michigan would have a chance against either, but they probably deserve the 1 seed for their work for the entire year. Remember their only loss came on a very controversial game where the Big 10 admitted the officials royally screwed them basicaly all game.
Michigan hasn't been crushing it this year though. If we are going by that line of thinking then doesn't the games against Nebraska, Rutgers and Penn St. effect things too?
I don't understand how anyone can come away with this thinking that Michigan would lose to Bama but somehow has earned the #1 seed more than them, doesn't compute.
To say Bama and Georgia are the two best teams in the nation. They have been 1-2 for a lot of the year. However that doesn’t mean they should automatically avoid each other in the semi final either. It showing direct bias towards a conference.
Bama did have the best victory but they struggled against many teams this year (Auburn, Arkansas, Florida…). So while they were absolutely awesome this week… so was Michigan the last two weeks.
I don’t think Michigan would have a chance against either, but they probably deserve the 1 seed for their work for the entire year. Remember their only loss came on a very controversial game where the Big 10 admitted the officials royally screwed them basicaly all game.
Michigan hasn't been crushing it this year though. If we are going by that line of thinking then doesn't the games against Nebraska, Rutgers and Penn St. effect things too?
I don't understand how anyone can come away with this thinking that Michigan would lose to Bama but somehow has earned the #1 seed more than them, doesn't compute.
Cause when you’re doing rankings - you take into consideration a years worth of playing. And while Bama May have been a sleeping Giant, they were not a Giant all year.
My point is that they shouldn’t just separate the two SEC teams from playing each just because they just played. Which you know will be a considerations.
And I just looked at Georgia’s schedule. My god - might be the easiest schedule I’ve ever seen. Clemson sucking ass this year hurt them obviously. But my god. No Ole Miss, Miss St, A&M.
To say Bama and Georgia are the two best teams in the nation. They have been 1-2 for a lot of the year. However that doesn’t mean they should automatically avoid each other in the semi final either. It showing direct bias towards a conference.
Bama did have the best victory but they struggled against many teams this year (Auburn, Arkansas, Florida…). So while they were absolutely awesome this week… so was Michigan the last two weeks.
I don’t think Michigan would have a chance against either, but they probably deserve the 1 seed for their work for the entire year. Remember their only loss came on a very controversial game where the Big 10 admitted the officials royally screwed them basicaly all game.
I actually think Michigan has a chance in the playoff. No Metchie for Alabama, plus they are getting Georgia in the midst of a QB controversy
in Georgia's second home stadium. And convincingly. They are undisputed #1.
Cincinnati is a great team. Ridder is now a first round QB. He's far better than either QB for Georgia or Michigan. But they will be #4 because of the conference concern.
So Michigan/Georgia are either 2 or 3.
I have no doubt,btw, if Cincinnati did get seeded higher and played Michigan they would win by a TD. They match up very, very well.
There was a tweet with video catching Harbaugh on his headset
saying “we have a chance to be the #1 seed” late in the 4th quarter. So that explains why Michigan was still throwing the ball in a game they already won. Confirms what I was thinking last night
The culture Saban has built is one of the greatest in team sports history.
Gold standard for the use of booster money. They've done a great job taking advantage of the Newton rule and buying players from all over.
Who cares about this phoney-baloney playoff system. The idiot sportswriters didn't like the coaches poll and beat the drum for a "playoff", the NCAA saw a tv money bonanza, and here is the result- the Cornpone Invitational. Yawn
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The culture Saban has built is one of the greatest in team sports history.
Gold standard for the use of booster money. They've done a great job taking advantage of the Newton rule and buying players from all over.
Who cares about this phoney-baloney playoff system. The idiot sportswriters didn't like the coaches poll and beat the drum for a "playoff", the NCAA saw a tv money bonanza, and here is the result- the Cornpone Invitational. Yawn
However Saban/Alabama gets the talent, Saban's ability to develop, motivate and coach that talent is the bigger story.
He's changed with the times and has a record that is unmatched.
The other stuff about the playoffs, money, etc is a different topic. I love a tournament over the BSC system of exhibition bowl system and hope the go to 8 or 12.
Going to 8 doesn't dilute anything. It actually helps the smaller conferences, which is a great thing. And will likely lead to auto bids for the bigger conference champions.
saying “we have a chance to be the #1 seed” late in the 4th quarter. So that explains why Michigan was still throwing the ball in a game they already won. Confirms what I was thinking last night
Michigan had zero chance to be the #1 seed after Bama hammered Georgia. And the committee was actually watching the games together, they weren't going to make them #1 because they ran the score up on Iowa.
--Alabama beating Georgia the way they did, plus their body of work in the SEC made them #1 going into the playoff, and outweighed Michigan's performances the last two weeks. Committee had a "strong consensus" on this. (Agree with committee)
--Said that they don't talk about setting up potential rematches of conference championship games in the semifinals
--Cincinnati is the last undefeated team that just won a conference championship. Won at ND. There was a strong consensus that Cincinnati was #4
--No discussion on what would have happened if Oklahoma State won and there was a controversy between them and Cincinnati for #4
Georgia (4-0)
146 Points For
34 Points Against
41-17 over Tenn
34-7 over Florida
37-0 over Arkansas
34-10 over Auburn
Alabama (4-0)
149 Points For
110 Points Against
52-24 over Tenn
31-29 over Florida
42-35 over Arkansas
24-22 over Auburn
I'm going with Georgia. No questions asked.
Go Blue! Go F Yourself 😉 Michigan-Notre Dame is 2-3 match after bama, cincy and ok st lose
Bryce Young is fantastic.
Maybe the game is on his shoulders cause it’s hard to envision Alabama having any success running the ball. Whatsoever.
Corso "not so fast" picked Houston in the upset.
Georgia (4-0)
146 Points For
34 Points Against
41-17 over Tenn
34-7 over Florida
37-0 over Arkansas
34-10 over Auburn
Alabama (4-0)
149 Points For
110 Points Against
52-24 over Tenn
31-29 over Florida
42-35 over Arkansas
24-22 over Auburn
I'm going with Georgia. No questions asked.
If you like Georgia, go ahead and like them in the game today. But, I’d throw out the above as a reason why.
Hoping for total chaos today.
lol
Ehh. Idk. Georgia vs. ND in the semi-final sounds like it’d be over by the 2nd quarter (no offense to ND fans here— my grandfather and several of my family members went to ND, but for some reason I didn’t inherit the love haha)
Nah it’s all good I still agree with you lol
Dude— That was the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever seen. At that part of the field given the score? That to me looked like panicked football. They had the blocked FG earlier and it almost felt like right there he was afraid of OSU taking over momentum in the 2nd half so he was ultra aggressive going for it, but instead, in fact, THAT 4th down stop was the real thing that killed the momentum just now and literally put points on the board for OSU.
You’re up 15, coach like you expect to win don’t coach like you need to take huge risks to have a hope of winning!! I feel like OSU also now senses blood (like Baylor’s coach is afraid of them) and I suspect the players for Baylor may feel the same way.
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Dude— That was the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever seen. At that part of the field given the score? That to me looked like panicked football. They had the blocked FG earlier and it almost felt like right there he was afraid of OSU taking over momentum in the 2nd half so he was ultra aggressive going for it, but instead, in fact, THAT 4th down stop was the real thing that killed the momentum just now and literally put points on the board for OSU.
You’re up 15, coach like you expect to win don’t coach like you need to take huge risks to have a hope of winning!! I feel like OSU also now senses blood (like Baylor’s coach is afraid of them) and I suspect the players for Baylor may feel the same way.
Really moronic call by Baylor
Ugh I know. Btw going back to that — what the hell was the play call on that 4th and 1? Shit looked like a broken play from the jump. And then the QB literally just threw the ball away calmly. On 4th down??? At least try to force the ball into your receiver— if it gets picked, who cares, that’s even better.
Thankfully just got a turnover AGAIN. Jesus 4 INTs today and they’re only up 8 thank you idiot coach and #89 who didn’t think he had to block a free rusher on the field goal unit.
Norm MacDonald has a funny quote about why football is so difficult to bet on (I.e. predict) compared to other sports. He just attributes it to the fact that in football the ball isn’t round, it’s oddly shaped so you have no idea which way it will bounce and hence greatly increases randomness and uncertainty— whereas in other sports with round balls you can better know what the ball is going to do and not do.
Obviously that can’t be the only reason haha but I thought that was pretty damn clever.
This OSU QB has to feel like he has 9 lives. He’s thrown 4 picks and yet only down 8 in Baylor territory now.
Baylor clearly does not want to win this game. Dude tried to catch that punt with palms facing up wtf
One thing I think we know for sure is even if OSU wins, I think Cincy is assured of getting in with a win today by any margin.
He came into this game with a backup QB, to be fair
And today Sanders is really proving the point. Disaster.
--Great Baylor defense exposing an average Oklahoma St QB (so far)
--Baylor has a backup QB who got injured in the 2nd half and is trying to play through it
Beat Iowa first
ND would be 4th. Michigan wouldn’t play them in the semis.
Michigan beat Ohio State on the score board and physically. IF ND did that to a highly ranked team they would have more respect. Just the way it goes sometimes. You play whose on your schedule.
I think even more amazing is the amount of random Michigan fans on a N.Y. teams message board. It’s the weirdest thing. I’ve come to expect ND fans to be everywhere. I run into them constantly on the road in completely random places. Just like freakin Cowboys fans. But Michigan? I don’t think I’ve ever come across a Michigan fan anywhere other than Michigan, unless they are an alum. But somehow on BBI there are tons of Michigan fans. Most of which couldn’t find the state if I put them within 5 miles. It’s just strange.
Agree
Indiana over Ohio aerate 2 years ago.
-ND fans nationwide.
You got your wish. But as I am currently on a flight to Indianapolis for the game tonight - GO BLUE!!!
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The lack of respect for ND is amazing. I get people hate them, but they are a really, really good team.
I think even more amazing is the amount of random Michigan fans on a N.Y. teams message board. It’s the weirdest thing. I’ve come to expect ND fans to be everywhere. I run into them constantly on the road in completely random places. Just like freakin Cowboys fans. But Michigan? I don’t think I’ve ever come across a Michigan fan anywhere other than Michigan, unless they are an alum. But somehow on BBI there are tons of Michigan fans. Most of which couldn’t find the state if I put them within 5 miles. It’s just strange.
I suspect most of the Michigan fans on BBI are alums or have family connections to the school.
Thanks! Looking forward to it. Hoping Michigan airs it out tonight to make L Iowa play from behind. Basically the opposite game plan as the Ohio State game b/c Iowa’s offense is plodding
There doesn't seem to be any "football reason" for UM to lose, but college kids are certainly prone to letdowns after such a huge win against Ohio St.
As someone who truly doesn’t have any real dog in these fights (other than for betting purposes), I’m just gonna give my honest opinion that I do not think Iowa stands even a slight chance of beating UM.
I think it’s only possible if Michigan turns the ball over, and McNamara has done a good job of protecting the ball.
I could be wrong (upsets happen all the time), but — My prediction Is one of 2 things will happen:
1) Iowa’s offense will do nothing, but their defense will make enough big stops and big plays at the right moments to manage to keep the game within 10 points for the first 3 quarters. But the defense will have been on the field all game dead tired so that by the 4th quarter that Michigan rushing attack just becomes too much and they eventually pull away with a couple TDs (either break a big long run OR seal it with a long time consuming drive running the ball over and over), Michigan wins by like 20
Or…
2) Iowa’s offense will do nothing, and the Michigan offense will just be overpowering from the outset and they win by like 40.
Desmond Ridder continues to grow on me as a QB prospect...
Yes.
Not necessarily since Cincy beat them.
The guy is a pro OC/HC. He's seen everything.
Williams is a transfer from Ohio State.
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Williams is a transfer from Ohio State.
Imagine if he were still there with those other three receivers.
Yes. ButI like Stroud better.
Williams is a transfer from Ohio State.
Imagine if he were still there with those other three receivers.
Too many cooks in the kitchen. Williams saw that...
I think too many people think Alabama isn’t elite anymore. These two teams are a lot closer than many think.
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Going to be a very high scoring game
Desmond Ridder continues to grow on me as a QB prospect...
I think Ridder is very good.
I think Georgia is still hoping to win these...
And Alabama has the better QB.
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shit the bed as usual?
I think too many people think Alabama isn’t elite anymore. These two teams are a lot closer than many think.
Georgia fails every year when they play Alabama. Alabama is always elite, even when they aren't.
Cooling off after the hot start.
Remember, he's not a tall guy so I don't think he always sees the field very well...
They are going up in class...speed.
Probably cements Heisman favorite if this continues.
No.
Go Cougars!
I was gonna say— this is a fun game just based on all the talent out there. From the first couple plays you could sense there was just a lot of big Football egos on the field, a ton of pride… each of these guys on both sides have gone from pee wee football up through high school always being the best player or one of the best players on the field, best players in the country, and now here they are facing off as part of these world class programs that are basically like all star teams for top national recruits.
That was an incredible recovery...
Agree 100%
If it's a close ending - 3 or < - I think you are onto something...
4 straight scores. Not TDs.
I do believe they are clearly the two best teams in the country, but dont see a 2 loss Bama making it.
I do believe they are clearly the two best teams in the country, but dont see a 2 loss Bama making it.
I think they will if it's close
Long way to go, but you don't think Saban prepped his team this week by showing endless highlights of "experts" talking his team down...??
I do believe they are clearly the two best teams in the country, but dont see a 2 loss Bama making it.
Disagree. Bama is in with a very close loss to Georgia. Georgia has manhandled literally everyone else they’ve played and it’s not like they play against scrubs. The fact that Bama has already proven they may be one of the few threats to Georgia’s otherwise “inevitable” dominance that everyone has been talking about will be enough for the committee to put them in. The committee doesn’t care about number of losses nor even head to heads etc theyve proven they will just put in the teams they truly believe are the best (within reason of course).
Can’t see ND without its HC getting the nod.
How many one loss teams would get passed over in that case?
Also great catch by the Cincy WR just now
Can’t see ND without its HC getting the nod.
I’m not sure he’s better than the Ohio State QB
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I said Bama would get strong consideration even losing this one.
How many one loss teams would get passed over in that case?
Also great catch by the Cincy WR just now
Wide open. Rider led him too much.
I do believe they are clearly the two best teams in the country, but dont see a 2 loss Bama making it.
Btw I will also just say: there may be “Bama fatigue” in about 98% of the country (I.e. 49 states) but there is zero Bama fatigue in the CFP committee. If anything it’s the opposite. Alabama’s past excellence has absolutely influenced the committee in their evaluations and I don’t think the committee is even ashamed of that being the case.
Can’t see ND without its HC getting the nod.
Cincy also has to win to make it interesting. If they lose Bama is in no questions. Cincy is in a battle with Houston currently.
RC, I think just ND would be the only 1 loss team of significance.
You hear the narrative already going pro Bama .
If Ridder is still available after round 1 I'd consider it
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There doesn't seem to be any "football reason" for UM to lose, but college kids are certainly prone to letdowns after such a huge win against Ohio St.
As a UM fan in my late 30’s, all I know is heartbreak
I just didn't want to see Cincy back in with a loss. Plus with the selection committee's bias against non-Big 5 schools, who knows.
Anyway, it looks like Cincy came to play in the 2nd half. They have the ball back again, looks like a different team this half
Tank next season for him or Stroud
I was confused been so long since I saw a stunt get picked up
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What a throw by Young. Beautiful. Great protection from the Alabama OL. The announcer was right. They did an excellent job picking up that stunt by Georgia.
I was confused been so long since I saw a stunt get picked up
Yup.
Yes
That would be awesome experience for you. One of the great stadiums. Give me a lot of the college stadiums and atmosphere over the NFL’ modern ones any day.
They’d be the number 1 seed but may have to beat Georgia a second time.
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How is Bama not favorite to win it all?
Don’t think they’d put a rematch in the first rd
They’d be the number 1 seed but may have to beat Georgia a second time.
Because you shouldn’t get penalized after an entire season of dominating and being undefeated. Why should another 1 loss team be in over them?
They have played from behind for all of 20 minutes this season. Smurf quarterback. Not built to play from behind and I'm surprised no analysts really talked about that when they're up against a high octane passing game and a defense that can handle power.
They have JT Daniels. Surprised they haven't made the switch yet
Georgia has allowed 6.9 points per game playing an SEC schedule. They have aside from Clemson, a 10-3 win, and today, crushed everyone in their path. Alabama might be the only team in the country that can do this to the Georgia defense (maybe Ohio State too, but we'll never know)
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Why are they guaranteed in, even with a loss, they have their shot at Bama right now.
Because you shouldn’t get penalized after an entire season of dominating and being undefeated. Why should another 1 loss team be in over them?
Alabama would be #1 in the final CFB poll if they win
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Why are they guaranteed in, even with a loss, they have their shot at Bama right now.
Because you shouldn’t get penalized after an entire season of dominating and being undefeated. Why should another 1 loss team be in over them?
been the way it has for years. A late season loss kicks you out. Getting dominated by another team in the playoffs the last game before the playoffs should knock you at as well. Especially against a team that struggled against a terrible Auburn team with an injured back up QB.
No it hasn’t, not to the #1 team in the country, undefeated and from the best conference.
We saw vs. Auburn how they aren't as formidable without both of them.
The one thing I’ll say though: Georgia still when all is said and done still may have more talent than Bama. But Bama is better coached and has better schemed for this game. Give Georgia now a full month weeks to review this game film and prepare for Bama and then we’ll see if Bama can repeat this.
Let’s also remember Bama undoubtedly needed this game more than Georgia, so I’m not gonna jump to conclusion yet that Georgia is just incapable of beating Bama this year … not yet at least.
I agreed, he’s getting severely out coached
If Bama wins they absolutely go to 1.
Michigan with a win 2. Georgia 3.
Bama-Cincy
Michigan-Georgia.
I want to see what Michigan does tonight but they can physically play with both these teams . That OL is outstanding.
If Bama wins they absolutely go to 1.
Michigan with a win 2. Georgia 3.
Bama-Cincy
Michigan-Georgia.
Yes. Michigan loses they drop to 4
Game over.
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Why are they guaranteed in, even with a loss, they have their shot at Bama right now.
Because you shouldn’t get penalized after an entire season of dominating and being undefeated. Why should another 1 loss team be in over them?
been the way it has for years. A late season loss kicks you out. Getting dominated by another team in the playoffs the last game before the playoffs should knock you at as well. Especially against a team that struggled against a terrible Auburn team with an injured back up QB.
What has been what way for years? You're referring to sicne the CFP with 4 teams? Or when it used to just be 2 teams chosen to play for the Title? And are you describing what you think should happen in your opinion? or what you think will happen?
Georgia is in. Period. Their resume up until this game has been head and shoulders above every other team in the country. A loss to the #3 team in a game that #3 team needed desperately, even if it is convincing, does not suddenly knock them out of the top 4 CFP spots. And it shouldn't
Forget about what Auburn did to Bama, that will not weigh into the committee kicking Georgia out. That's irrelevant. Georgia beat the crap out of Auburn.
And what do you mean this is their "shot" at Alabama? If these 2 teams end up #1 and #2, they won't play each other in the semi-final. You're saying Georgia shouldn't even be allowed to play in the semi-final because it could lead to them playing Bama again and they already "had their shot"? So therefore drop them to #5 or #6 even if their resume is deserving of a top 3 spot? This logic makes no sense. Georgia is in. They're allowed to have their one loss against a great team just like every other one loss team (except for Bama who had their loss to fucking A&M).
Georgia has to consider JT Daniels when they get to the playoff
I want to see what Michigan does tonight but they can physically play with both these teams . That OL is outstanding.
Definitely Saban with a month to plan is scary. I think in my eyes I'm thinking when teams play each other multiple times and have more time to prepare, the most talent team ultimately prevails (kind of like a 7 game series in the NBA), but still Saban with time to prepare is lethal. We'll see if he comes out with anything new next time that he didn't have for this game too.
Who should get it over them?
LOL I absolutely took that parlay. That $1000 payout for $50 bet was too tempting. I bought the UGA hype. I fell for it hard. I still don't count them out for the National Championship just yet. But damn they let me down today.
In that order.
In that order.
Agree
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Why are they guaranteed in, even with a loss, they have their shot at Bama right now.
Because you shouldn’t get penalized after an entire season of dominating and being undefeated. Why should another 1 loss team be in over them?
been the way it has for years. A late season loss kicks you out. Getting dominated by another team in the playoffs the last game before the playoffs should knock you at as well. Especially against a team that struggled against a terrible Auburn team with an injured back up QB.
What has been what way for years? You're referring to sicne the CFP with 4 teams? Or when it used to just be 2 teams chosen to play for the Title? And are you describing what you think should happen in your opinion? or what you think will happen?
Georgia is in. Period. Their resume up until this game has been head and shoulders above every other team in the country. A loss to the #3 team in a game that #3 team needed desperately, even if it is convincing, does not suddenly knock them out of the top 4 CFP spots. And it shouldn't
Forget about what Auburn did to Bama, that will not weigh into the committee kicking Georgia out. That's irrelevant. Georgia beat the crap out of Auburn.
And what do you mean this is their "shot" at Alabama? If these 2 teams end up #1 and #2, they won't play each other in the semi-final. You're saying Georgia shouldn't even be allowed to play in the semi-final because it could lead to them playing Bama again and they already "had their shot"? So therefore drop them to #5 or #6 even if their resume is deserving of a top 3 spot? This logic makes no sense. Georgia is in. They're allowed to have their one loss against a great team just like every other one loss team (except for Bama who had their loss to fucking A&M).
Actually like Georgia, but historically in college football if you lose late in the season you’re out. SEC is down across the board this year so their schedule was nothing special. Best win was probably against a struggling Clemson team. Committee put the importance on winning your conference championship, so if there is the importance in winning there should be corresponding negative consequence for losing.
Looking a little like prime Shockey on that drive.
After getting their asses kicked that may not be true.
In that order.
That's how I see it too.
After getting their asses kicked that may not be true.
They’re in
I want to see what Michigan does tonight but they can physically play with both these teams . That OL is outstanding.
Also yeah I'm looking forward to Michigan. I think they're a great team and they convinced me based on last week's performance that they could contend for a title. That o-line + Haskins is scary, and that front 7 is great too. They can run the ball and rush the passer and their QB is good on 3rd down-- that's the formula for winning championships at any level of football. I now believe in them even moreso with Georgia now looking mortal. The title is up for grabs.
Also I'm disappointed we likely now won't see a Cinci vs. Georgia rematch in the semi-final (rematch of that awesome peach bowl last year where Cincy should of won-- were up 10 in the 4th and blew it).
In that order.
Why is Georgia above an undefeated conference champion in this scenario?
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Bama. Michigan (provided they win). Georgia. Cincy.
In that order.
Why is Georgia above an undefeated conference champion in this scenario?
Right or wrong, the committee isn’t going to line up a rematch in the first round of games.
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Bama. Michigan (provided they win). Georgia. Cincy.
In that order.
Why is Georgia above an undefeated conference champion in this scenario?
because they dont want to give us Bama whooping Georgia's ass again in rd 1
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Bama. Michigan (provided they win). Georgia. Cincy.
In that order.
Why is Georgia above an undefeated conference champion in this scenario?
Are you going to factor in the conferences of the respective teams or no?
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Why are they guaranteed in, even with a loss, they have their shot at Bama right now.
Because you shouldn’t get penalized after an entire season of dominating and being undefeated. Why should another 1 loss team be in over them?
been the way it has for years. A late season loss kicks you out. Getting dominated by another team in the playoffs the last game before the playoffs should knock you at as well. Especially against a team that struggled against a terrible Auburn team with an injured back up QB.
What has been what way for years? You're referring to sicne the CFP with 4 teams? Or when it used to just be 2 teams chosen to play for the Title? And are you describing what you think should happen in your opinion? or what you think will happen?
Georgia is in. Period. Their resume up until this game has been head and shoulders above every other team in the country. A loss to the #3 team in a game that #3 team needed desperately, even if it is convincing, does not suddenly knock them out of the top 4 CFP spots. And it shouldn't
Forget about what Auburn did to Bama, that will not weigh into the committee kicking Georgia out. That's irrelevant. Georgia beat the crap out of Auburn.
And what do you mean this is their "shot" at Alabama? If these 2 teams end up #1 and #2, they won't play each other in the semi-final. You're saying Georgia shouldn't even be allowed to play in the semi-final because it could lead to them playing Bama again and they already "had their shot"? So therefore drop them to #5 or #6 even if their resume is deserving of a top 3 spot? This logic makes no sense. Georgia is in. They're allowed to have their one loss against a great team just like every other one loss team (except for Bama who had their loss to fucking A&M).
Actually like Georgia, but historically in college football if you lose late in the season you’re out. SEC is down across the board this year so their schedule was nothing special. Best win was probably against a struggling Clemson team. Committee put the importance on winning your conference championship, so if there is the importance in winning there should be corresponding negative consequence for losing.
Again-- you're saying "historically in college football." Are you if we were talking about a situation PRIOR TO THE CFP where there were only 2 teams chosen for the National Championship, maybe I could see you at least having an argument of sorts, but since the CFP, there are FOUR teams. FOUR is more than TWO. Therefore you can't necessarily apply your same logic.
Perfect example: When #2Michigan was undefeated and lost to #1 Ohio St (also undefeated) in 2006, what happened? Michigan dropped to #3 and they did not get to play in the national championship. Instead-- the 1 loss Florida Gators played Ohio state for the title, even though a lot of people thought Michigan was likely the 2nd best team in the country. That sounds like what you're referring to. BUT-- if the CFP were around back then, Michigan would've been #3 and would've made the CFP. Different times. 4 is more than 2. Michigan fell to #3. Also Michigan didn't have the far and away best resume going into that game with Ohio st the way Georgia did here, they were the #2 team in the country.
Do you see what I'm saying?
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Thought Georgia was automatically in, win or lose.
After getting their asses kicked that may not be true.
They’re in
They suck
He is...uh...making calls.
I like bigger QB’s and felt that way earlier. He seems to be really smart about protecting himself and his skills are outstanding moving in the pocket. The OL has not been great this year and he fared very well.
The Bama poster would have good insights.
You may be right. In which case, no point in watching. They can’t compete.
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Thought Georgia was automatically in, win or lose.
After getting their asses kicked that may not be true.
They’re in
They suck
It's one game. Bama lost to goddam A&M and they're in.
Bama needed this game to get in most likely, Georgia didn't. The sense of urgency was obvious on Bama's part in comparison. It's almost like an NFL team in week 18 that's jostling for #3 or #4 seed playing a team that is literally playing to make it into the playoffs. It has real effects. The SEC title was not the end all be all goal for Georgia and it wasn't for Alabama either. This game was a stepping stone to the CFP for both teams and it meant more to Bama.
Also I see no evidence that can make us certain that any team BESIDES Alabama can do this to Georgia. The SEC is still the SEC and usually those games are absolute dogfights until the very end-- for Georgia they blew teams out by an average of 33 points. This is one bad game.
They have JT Daniels, who was the starting QB before he got injured
Alabama let up, because they WANT to play them again. They dominated Georgia.
They’d have to lose by at least 3 TDs
Saban, O'Brien, Marrone, Golding, etc.
This argument makes no sense.
I think they are more spooked that Saban lives in Kirby’s head.
Ask Kirby Smart LOL
Spooked for sure. But undeserving of the 2nd chance that every other elite 1 loss team (most of whom didn't have nearly as impressive of a resume otherwise) has gotten this year?
That's all I'm saying.
Not saying they're definitely still title-bound. But many great teams over the years have laid a big fat stinker at some point. Every '85 Bears has their MNF against Marino. Now, usually those come in the middle of the season and not the SEC title game, but at the same time I think this is different because Georgia was in a unique position where literally anything could happen today and they would've still gotten in. Like an exhibition game at that point.
Also I'm gonna say one more thing: I have to imagine it seemed psychologically daunting realizing that if they had beaten Alabama, but hadn't beaten them by ENOUGH, it was very likely that Alabama would've gotten in as #4 and Georgia would've had to play them again regardless. I have to imagine that sucks especially against a team like Alabama, you're daunted rival. Like-- after all Georgia has done, if they'd found a way to beat Alabama by 3 points today, they would've had to turn around and just play them all over again? Like they would've had to beat them by like 17 to kill them? It's like shooting the T-1000 with that bazooka gun thing that Terminator had and he just kept coming back. haha
ND will be back in CFP soon enough with a loaded roster. Just hoping Marcus is better game day coach than Kirby.
ND will be back in CFP soon enough with a loaded roster. Just hoping Marcus is better game day coach than Kirby.
BTW-- What do you think happens if Michigan loses tonight? (Even though I'm already on the record basically saying it is categorically impossible for that to happen in this space-time reality as we know it-- what do I know lol.)
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Notre Dame is in.
They’d have to lose by at least 3 TDs
On what planet would Michigan be in even with a loss?
Saban, O'Brien, Marrone, Golding, etc.
Congratulations bw, you said "Book it" last week and were dead on (as much as I would have liked to have seen Georgia win). I should have listened to you and bet big $$ today.
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Notre Dame is in.
They’d have to lose by at least 3 TDs
On what planet would Michigan be in even with a loss?
This one
Michigan has to win to get in.
ND will be back in CFP soon enough with a loaded roster. Just hoping Marcus is better game day coach than Kirby.
For the love of God, there’s another poll on Monday that will decide it.
They aren't getting in. If you want to put a 2 loss team in over ND, it certainly wont be Michigan. It would be Baylor.
There's not an argument to be made for Michigan being in with a loss. You can't have amnesia and forget that they have two losses if they were to lose. One great performance at home wouldn't change the fact that they had two losses and no conference title.
No. Alabama is #1
No. Bama is going to #1.
I just don't see them losing.
Iowa 2 losses. Iowa conference title. Iowa beat Michigan.
Michigan has to win to get in.
They aren't getting in. If you want to put a 2 loss team in over ND, it certainly wont be Michigan. It would be Baylor.
There's not an argument to be made for Michigan being in with a loss. You can't have amnesia and forget that they have two losses if they were to lose. One great performance at home wouldn't change the fact that they had two losses and no conference title.
1 loss by 1 point. Dominating win over a top 4 team. And there’s nobody else. Notre Dame has a weak schedule and conference championship game
It makes our current offense look like the '99 Rams.
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no conference championship.
They aren't getting in. If you want to put a 2 loss team in over ND, it certainly wont be Michigan. It would be Baylor.
There's not an argument to be made for Michigan being in with a loss. You can't have amnesia and forget that they have two losses if they were to lose. One great performance at home wouldn't change the fact that they had two losses and no conference title.
1 loss by 1 point. Dominating win over a top 4 team. And there’s nobody else. Notre Dame has a weak schedule and conference championship game
If they lose tonight, they'd have two losses. And please explain how the committee could justify putting Michigan in over Iowa if Michigan loses tonight. Forget ND and everyone else. If both teams are 11-2, one has a conference title and that same team beat Michigan, you couldn't even justify putting them in over Iowa.
Michigan played a great game against Ohio State. That doesn't mean you would just ignore that they have 2 losses and didnt win the conference title.
There isnt a path for michigan getting in with a loss
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There is NO comparison between the Georgia coaching staff and Bamas.
Saban, O'Brien, Marrone, Golding, etc.
Congratulations bw, you said "Book it" last week and were dead on (as much as I would have liked to have seen Georgia win). I should have listened to you and bet big $$ today.
Thanks. I had a feeling Marrone would get the OL right and Young would he can make more winning plays than Bennett.
And Saban knows how to win these games. Let's face it - Bama is loaded with 4 and 5 star talent at every position. It's an amazing amount of depth.
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no conference championship.
They aren't getting in. If you want to put a 2 loss team in over ND, it certainly wont be Michigan. It would be Baylor.
There's not an argument to be made for Michigan being in with a loss. You can't have amnesia and forget that they have two losses if they were to lose. One great performance at home wouldn't change the fact that they had two losses and no conference title.
1 loss by 1 point. Dominating win over a top 4 team. And there’s nobody else. Notre Dame has a weak schedule and conference championship game
If they lose tonight, they'd have two losses. And please explain how the committee could justify putting Michigan in over Iowa if Michigan loses tonight. Forget ND and everyone else. If both teams are 11-2, one has a conference title and that same team beat Michigan, you couldn't even justify putting them in over Iowa.
Michigan played a great game against Ohio State. That doesn't mean you would just ignore that they have 2 losses and didnt win the conference title.
There isnt a path for michigan getting in with a loss
All good points and likely true.
Michigan ain't losing though.
Michigan is out if they lose. I just don't see them losing.
Talk about trial by fire for the Group of 5 amirite??? lol. Well no better way to learn how to swim than jumping in the deep end. First group of 5 CFP game against the most successful program in the history of the CFP. Carrying the torch is never easy.
Michigan is out if they lose. I just don't see them losing.
And I was right too.
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no conference championship.
They aren't getting in. If you want to put a 2 loss team in over ND, it certainly wont be Michigan. It would be Baylor.
There's not an argument to be made for Michigan being in with a loss. You can't have amnesia and forget that they have two losses if they were to lose. One great performance at home wouldn't change the fact that they had two losses and no conference title.
1 loss by 1 point. Dominating win over a top 4 team. And there’s nobody else. Notre Dame has a weak schedule and conference championship game
If they lose tonight, they'd have two losses. And please explain how the committee could justify putting Michigan in over Iowa if Michigan loses tonight. Forget ND and everyone else. If both teams are 11-2, one has a conference title and that same team beat Michigan, you couldn't even justify putting them in over Iowa.
Michigan played a great game against Ohio State. That doesn't mean you would just ignore that they have 2 losses and didnt win the conference title.
There isnt a path for michigan getting in with a loss
Michigan beat Wisconsin by 3 TDs, Iowa lost to Wisconsin by 3 TDs. Iowa would have to have a big one to knock out Michigan.
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no conference championship.
They aren't getting in. If you want to put a 2 loss team in over ND, it certainly wont be Michigan. It would be Baylor.
There's not an argument to be made for Michigan being in with a loss. You can't have amnesia and forget that they have two losses if they were to lose. One great performance at home wouldn't change the fact that they had two losses and no conference title.
1 loss by 1 point. Dominating win over a top 4 team. And there’s nobody else. Notre Dame has a weak schedule and conference championship game
If they lose tonight, they'd have two losses. And please explain how the committee could justify putting Michigan in over Iowa if Michigan loses tonight. Forget ND and everyone else. If both teams are 11-2, one has a conference title and that same team beat Michigan, you couldn't even justify putting them in over Iowa.
Michigan played a great game against Ohio State. That doesn't mean you would just ignore that they have 2 losses and didnt win the conference title.
There isnt a path for michigan getting in with a loss
Michigan beat Wisconsin by 3 TDs, Iowa lost to Wisconsin by 3 TDs. Iowa would have to have a big one to knock out Michigan.
Oh ok so that should absolutely matter more than Iowa beating Michigan tonight if it were to happen, right? Clearly the way they each played against the same opponent would matter more than an actual head to head meeting in the conference title game.
Michigan wouldnt even be in the mix if they lose tonight. I very much doubt they will lose, but if it happens they have as much chance to play in the playoffs as Rutgers does
Nope.
Iowa isn’t the #1 team in the nation. You keep disregarding massive details for some reason.
Except Michigan has no where near the clout that Bama does in the committee's eyes.
And again, please tell me how they would get in over Iowa if they lost. Both would be 11-2. One would have had to head and a title and one would not.
If your argument is what they did against Wisconsin, then you already lost.
Neither Iowa or Michigan will be considered if Michigan loses. It will come down to ND and Baylor.
Baylor beat the number 5,team with a goal line stand. Notre Dame was watching the games on TV. They deserve it imo.
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The same way Alabama would have been in with 2 losses.
Iowa isn’t the #1 team in the nation. You keep disregarding massive details for some reason.
He's delusional
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The same way Alabama would have been in with 2 losses.
Except Michigan has no where near the clout that Bama does in the committee's eyes.
And again, please tell me how they would get in over Iowa if they lost. Both would be 11-2. One would have had to head and a title and one would not.
If your argument is what they did against Wisconsin, then you already lost.
Neither Iowa or Michigan will be considered if Michigan loses. It will come down to ND and Baylor.
Baylor would not get in over Iowa. ND might
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Assuming Michigan wins...they are in. Along with Bama. UGA. & Cincy.
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no conference championship.
They aren't getting in. If you want to put a 2 loss team in over ND, it certainly wont be Michigan. It would be Baylor.
There's not an argument to be made for Michigan being in with a loss. You can't have amnesia and forget that they have two losses if they were to lose. One great performance at home wouldn't change the fact that they had two losses and no conference title.
1 loss by 1 point. Dominating win over a top 4 team. And there’s nobody else. Notre Dame has a weak schedule and conference championship game
If they lose tonight, they'd have two losses. And please explain how the committee could justify putting Michigan in over Iowa if Michigan loses tonight. Forget ND and everyone else. If both teams are 11-2, one has a conference title and that same team beat Michigan, you couldn't even justify putting them in over Iowa.
Michigan played a great game against Ohio State. That doesn't mean you would just ignore that they have 2 losses and didnt win the conference title.
There isnt a path for michigan getting in with a loss
Michigan beat Wisconsin by 3 TDs, Iowa lost to Wisconsin by 3 TDs. Iowa would have to have a big one to knock out Michigan.
Oh ok so that should absolutely matter more than Iowa beating Michigan tonight if it were to happen, right? Clearly the way they each played against the same opponent would matter more than an actual head to head meeting in the conference title game.
Michigan wouldnt even be in the mix if they lose tonight. I very much doubt they will lose, but if it happens they have as much chance to play in the playoffs as Rutgers does
Ask Michigan state if the committee gave a fuck that they’d beaten Michigan head to head. Once Michigan state lost in week 10, it didn’t matter that they had 1 loss equal to Michigan’s 1 loss while having the head to head win, the CFP ranked Michigan ahead of MSU that week and the following week as well regardless.
They just put in the team that they believe is better— and they do base it on a lot of quantitative and qualitive analysis that is real, it’s just that I don’t think head to head holds the executive significance you imagine it holds and that I guess it holds in other sports’ tiebreakers.
Here's why - they are a historic program with a great fan base that draws ratings. If you don't think that matters than you are naive...
Here's why - they are a historic program with a great fan base that draws ratings. If you don't think that matters than you are naive...
I don’t think that will have any bearing - if Michigan loses they fall out of the top 4 and ND is next team up, simple as that.
Here's why - they are a historic program with a great fan base that draws ratings. If you don't think that matters than you are naive...
Normally yes. No signature win. I also think the committee said something about injured players and coaches leaving may have a impact on final selection. That gives the committee a out from given into the pressure.
Now let’s get 6!
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ND is getting it.
Here's why - they are a historic program with a great fan base that draws ratings. If you don't think that matters than you are naive...
I don’t think that will have any bearing - if Michigan loses they fall out of the top 4 and ND is next team up, simple as that.
Baylor has a good argument based on signature wins and winning a conference title.
So it's not as clear cut, IMV, as the next team up in the rankings order.
That's why I am introducing intangibles like a team's ability to move the needle...
Here's why - they are a historic program with a great fan base that draws ratings. If you don't think that matters than you are naive...
I don’t think it’s the ratings. I think they’re the next team up. Part of me actually felt the opposite— ND could be discriminated against by the committee because of their past performances in the CFP, if not consciously at least subconsciously. But yeah they’re next up
I’m not a fan of the blue pants away uniform
Still think he sucks??
Fightin' Blue Hens!
This is why I envisioned at least a 20+ point mich win and as much as a 40+ point win.
Either Iowa will contain Michigan for 3 quarters and keep it working 10 points, but since they’re offense does nothing their defense will tire out and Michigan will roadgrade them in the 4th.
Or…. Michigan will get a decent lead early, Iowa will be forced to play an offense than don’t do well (meanwhile they don’t do anything well on offense so it’s doubly worse), next thing you know Michigan is getting turnovers and expanding their lead exponentially with nothing Iowa can do.
Still early tho…. Lol
Alright will stop shitting on Petrus.
… for now
Keep foot on gas Michigan.
And probably stuboness.
It’s easier not playing in a conference right? They haven’t beat 1 top 25 team
all year. So if you can sneak in , why not?
It was an awful throw.
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I legit don’t know the reason. Just because they want to be special? Join the big 10 and shut everyone up.
It’s easier not playing in a conference right? They haven’t beat 1 top 25 team
all year. So if you can sneak in , why not?
Please explain how most years ND has a better SOS than Michigan or Ohio State.
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their 23rd of the season. The Michigan TE should have caught it
It was an awful throw.
He must have made 3 reads on that play and still managed to throw a terrible pass.
But they're never joining the big 10, . Never going to even consider it.
They'll eventually join the ACC, but that wont happen as long as JS is the AD and the big time donors who are totally opposed to it are still alive.
Keep foot on gas Michigan.
He can throw short - intermediate passes over the middle. That’s his bread and butter. But if he has to throw the ball more than 20 yards downfield, or if he has make those deep out throws on the sideline that require serious zip, he just becomes wildly ugly. Hence why Iowa can’t afford to get down so big. They need to work methodically down the field and their run game needs to get working for Petrus to be good.
Michigan had a chance to put this thing away and just gave away to e chance right there. We’ll see if Iowa can settle down and make some big plays (maybe score an actual TD) but it’s an uphill battle.
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I legit don’t know the reason. Just because they want to be special? Join the big 10 and shut everyone up.
It’s easier not playing in a conference right? They haven’t beat 1 top 25 team
all year. So if you can sneak in , why not?
Please explain how most years ND has a better SOS than Michigan or Ohio State.
I’m talking about this current year.
But they're never joining the big 10, . Never going to even consider it.
They'll eventually join the ACC, but that wont happen as long as JS is the AD and the big time donors who are totally opposed to it are still alive.
Is their schedule basically purposely and methodically developed so that they technically have a high scoring SOS but almost never play ranked teams? Sure seems that way. Like they have some Analytics dude figuring how to game the SOS system since they can have flexibility with their own schedule so much.
But they're never joining the big 10, . Never going to even consider it.
They'll eventually join the ACC, but that wont happen as long as JS is the AD and the big time donors who are totally opposed to it are still alive.
They’d have no chance to the playoffs in the Big Ten. OSU is much much better. It’s wise not joining a conference
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I legit don’t know the reason. Just because they want to be special? Join the big 10 and shut everyone up.
It’s easier not playing in a conference right? They haven’t beat 1 top 25 team
all year. So if you can sneak in , why not?
Please explain how most years ND has a better SOS than Michigan or Ohio State.
No I’ve read that too— they do technically have strongest SOS of any of the top 10 ranked teams. That’s a real stat and I don’t know how lmao. I think they’ve games the system.
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would most years result in a worse SOS for ND.
But they're never joining the big 10, . Never going to even consider it.
They'll eventually join the ACC, but that wont happen as long as JS is the AD and the big time donors who are totally opposed to it are still alive.
Is their schedule basically purposely and methodically developed so that they technically have a high scoring SOS but almost never play ranked teams? Sure seems that way. Like they have some Analytics dude figuring how to game the SOS system since they can have flexibility with their own schedule so much.
See that’s the thing, they usually play a good schedule. How can you know all these teams you scheduled 10 years ago would be down? I’m just talking this season, they beat no one.
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would most years result in a worse SOS for ND.
But they're never joining the big 10, . Never going to even consider it.
They'll eventually join the ACC, but that wont happen as long as JS is the AD and the big time donors who are totally opposed to it are still alive.
Is their schedule basically purposely and methodically developed so that they technically have a high scoring SOS but almost never play ranked teams? Sure seems that way. Like they have some Analytics dude figuring how to game the SOS system since they can have flexibility with their own schedule so much.
See that’s the thing, they usually play a good schedule. How can you know all these teams you scheduled 10 years ago would be down? I’m just talking this season, they beat no one.
Their strength of schedule this year is quantitatively the strongest of all the top 10 teams. I’m trying to understand how that is or what that’s even based on. I’m not just saying “oh they play some good programs but those programs suck this year.” They quantitatively have the no. 1 SOS of all top 10 ranked teams and I don’t understand how that works without playing ranked teams.
It’s confusing.
Has to be better!
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would most years result in a worse SOS for ND.
But they're never joining the big 10, . Never going to even consider it.
They'll eventually join the ACC, but that wont happen as long as JS is the AD and the big time donors who are totally opposed to it are still alive.
Is their schedule basically purposely and methodically developed so that they technically have a high scoring SOS but almost never play ranked teams? Sure seems that way. Like they have some Analytics dude figuring how to game the SOS system since they can have flexibility with their own schedule so much.
See that’s the thing, they usually play a good schedule. How can you know all these teams you scheduled 10 years ago would be down? I’m just talking this season, they beat no one.
Their strength of schedule this year is quantitatively the strongest of all the top 10 teams. I’m trying to understand how that is or what that’s even based on. I’m not just saying “oh they play some good programs but those programs suck this year.” They quantitatively have the no. 1 SOS of all top 10 ranked teams and I don’t understand how that works without playing ranked teams.
Lol what? Who’s their best win?
If Michigan wins and assuming they play Georgia, McNamara is going to have to significantly up his level of play if they are going to win that game. Georgia isnt going to let Haskins beat them
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would most years result in a worse SOS for ND.
But they're never joining the big 10, . Never going to even consider it.
They'll eventually join the ACC, but that wont happen as long as JS is the AD and the big time donors who are totally opposed to it are still alive.
Is their schedule basically purposely and methodically developed so that they technically have a high scoring SOS but almost never play ranked teams? Sure seems that way. Like they have some Analytics dude figuring how to game the SOS system since they can have flexibility with their own schedule so much.
See that’s the thing, they usually play a good schedule. How can you know all these teams you scheduled 10 years ago would be down? I’m just talking this season, they beat no one.
100% positive alabama knows 10 years ahead of time that Mercer, NM State and Southern Miss are going to suck
just saying
Notre Dame doesn't schedule games like that which is why they have a stronger SOS
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would most years result in a worse SOS for ND.
But they're never joining the big 10, . Never going to even consider it.
They'll eventually join the ACC, but that wont happen as long as JS is the AD and the big time donors who are totally opposed to it are still alive.
Is their schedule basically purposely and methodically developed so that they technically have a high scoring SOS but almost never play ranked teams? Sure seems that way. Like they have some Analytics dude figuring how to game the SOS system since they can have flexibility with their own schedule so much.
See that’s the thing, they usually play a good schedule. How can you know all these teams you scheduled 10 years ago would be down? I’m just talking this season, they beat no one.
100% positive alabama knows 10 years ahead of time that Mercer, NM State and Southern Miss are going to suck
just saying
Notre Dame doesn't schedule games like that which is why they have a stronger SOS
Ah yes thanks for explaining. Also I just saw I guess they DID have strongest SOS of the top 10 teams as of a couple weeks ago. I think that’s not the case anymore after Rivalry weekend and obviously Conference championships. Amazingly Alabama’s is indeed now harder overall on the year despite playing Those shitty teams lol.
I get it now. ND just doesn’t play any of us those really awful teams that the SEC teams often play just to warmed up for the season and get some target practice on some lambs. So all in all it weighs out that ND has a strong SOS RELATIVELY without often having to play any truly elite teams.
as a ND fan, they def were not in sync at the beginning of the year. They were splitting time between qb's, the o-line was not playing well together, as the season progressed notre damn games looked considerably different
Iowa has done nothing on the ground. Thank god they didn’t call targeting there
it's so stupid. what the hell are you supposed to do with your helmet. You have a helmet for in case someone bumps helmets with you lol. It's only bad if you forcibly purposely use the crown of your helmet a weapon and drive it into a guy's head when you could've easily avoided it. Obviously not what happened here.
also the michigan player is lucky he didn't cripple himself
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He glanced his helmet
it's so stupid. what the hell are you supposed to do with your helmet. You have a helmet for in case someone bumps helmets with you lol. It's only bad if you forcibly purposely use the crown of your helmet a weapon and drive it into a guy's head when you could've easily avoided it. Obviously not what happened here.
The rule is in place to protect the defender as much as it is to protect the ball carrier. I'm a bit surprised that wasn't targeting, you clearly had the crown of the helmet and it looked to me to be more than a little glancing blow. Not as bad as some i've seen but I agree with Pereira on that one it was targeting based on the rules.
They're trying to get the defenders to stop dipping their heads like that. It puts both players in a terrible position
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He glanced his helmet
it's so stupid. what the hell are you supposed to do with your helmet. You have a helmet for in case someone bumps helmets with you lol. It's only bad if you forcibly purposely use the crown of your helmet a weapon and drive it into a guy's head when you could've easily avoided it. Obviously not what happened here.
your taught to take your facemask and plant it into someone's chest. The helmet is designed to protect a player not lead the contact. As a former D1 football safety, I can tell you I've never encountered a coach that didn't light someone up for tackling like that, its just flat out dangerous
Make a throw here!
also the michigan player is lucky he didn't cripple himself
that was in the realm of possibly crippling himself. He was coming up on Petrus and I don't think he was purposely trying to hit helmet to helmet. If the offensive player starts to duck his body down and all of a sudden his helmet is level with your helmet, that's incidental. And he just slightly lowered his helmet and absorbed the contact, it's not like he put his head down at a 90 degree angle and launched his body crown-first into his head-and-neck area. Again there was not forcible contact he just slightly put his head down and absorbed the hit. He didn't come up aiming for Petrus's head. Petrus started to go down and that's why suddenly he was facing helmet to helmet with him instead of helmet to chest.
Devil is in the details with these. That one just did not look "forcible" at all which is a part of the criteria required. No malicious intent.
McNamara with 2 plays in a row.
Make a throw here!
and it's so bad that neither of the Qb's know how to properly slide. No wonder DJ doesn't know how to do it, it's almost like they forgot to teach that in HS/College
McNamara has had time on a number of pass plays and he’s made poor reads or poor throws
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He glanced his helmet
it's so stupid. what the hell are you supposed to do with your helmet. You have a helmet for in case someone bumps helmets with you lol. It's only bad if you forcibly purposely use the crown of your helmet a weapon and drive it into a guy's head when you could've easily avoided it. Obviously not what happened here.
The rule is in place to protect the defender as much as it is to protect the ball carrier. I'm a bit surprised that wasn't targeting, you clearly had the crown of the helmet and it looked to me to be more than a little glancing blow. Not as bad as some i've seen but I agree with Pereira on that one it was targeting based on the rules.
They're trying to get the defenders to stop dipping their heads like that. It puts both players in a terrible position
I think the lack of forcible contact is what got him off. He did not aim with the crown of his helmet. Honestly looking closely he also didn't hit directly on the top of the crown of his head, it was sort of in between the very top of the crown and his face mask. He put his head down but not all the way and it wasn't forcible nor purposeful, I think the fact the helmets collided was more incidental and spurred by the way Petrus went down.
Probably not ideal he dipped his helmet I agree but as you said the action of it was like a 2 on the scale of 1-10 of how violent it looked. I'm guessing they did not want to give an automatic first down on a 3rd and 20 for something that technically was not ideal but was also really nothing that dangerous relatively speaking. Just my 2 cents.
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believes that was a legit targeting call. Your not supposed to lower your head and lead with the crown and should have 100% been a penalty
also the michigan player is lucky he didn't cripple himself
that was in the realm of possibly crippling himself. He was coming up on Petrus and I don't think he was purposely trying to hit helmet to helmet. If the offensive player starts to duck his body down and all of a sudden his helmet is level with your helmet, that's incidental. And he just slightly lowered his helmet and absorbed the contact, it's not like he put his head down at a 90 degree angle and launched his body crown-first into his head-and-neck area. Again there was not forcible contact he just slightly put his head down and absorbed the hit. He didn't come up aiming for Petrus's head. Petrus started to go down and that's why suddenly he was facing helmet to helmet with him instead of helmet to chest.
Devil is in the details with these. That one just did not look "forcible" at all which is a part of the criteria required. No malicious intent.
2008 & Still Current (2008 NCAA Rulebook)
Initiating Contact/Targeting an Oppenent
1. No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul.
If you watch the play. The defender put his head down when closing in, your blind if you did not see his head go down. The rule specifically says, when in question it is a foul. It should have been called a foul on the initial play and not even needed to go to a review.
Also, I would challenge you to find a spinal specialist who would back your argument that you cannot get hurt with that form, regardless if your head is parallel with your spine, it is similar to being dropped directly on your head, and even if the defender had slowed down, he still has the momentum of 165 + lbs behind it
Don’t need them on saturdays.
If Michigan had 1 - they may be up 4 scores.
The Giants badly need someone with his skill set and mentality
Michigan does - #9, not #12
On a thread about him Eric kept asking the question “how does he fit in Graham’s defense”.. which is silly.
Maybe - they can’t run the ball though
Anyways Graham won't even be here the next time the Giants are good. Hutchinson fits in every teams scheme.
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Maybe - they can’t run the ball though
Of course, outside of that long TD run Michigan hasn’t done much on the ground either
This is an organization who drafted a running back #2 in 2018.
They could fuck up a one car funeral
Bama vs Cincy
Michigan vs Georgia
On New Years Eve. Assume Bama vs Cincy in Miami and Michigan vs Georgia in Dallas.
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believes that was a legit targeting call. Your not supposed to lower your head and lead with the crown and should have 100% been a penalty
also the michigan player is lucky he didn't cripple himself
that was in the realm of possibly crippling himself. He was coming up on Petrus and I don't think he was purposely trying to hit helmet to helmet. If the offensive player starts to duck his body down and all of a sudden his helmet is level with your helmet, that's incidental. And he just slightly lowered his helmet and absorbed the contact, it's not like he put his head down at a 90 degree angle and launched his body crown-first into his head-and-neck area. Again there was not forcible contact he just slightly put his head down and absorbed the hit. He didn't come up aiming for Petrus's head. Petrus started to go down and that's why suddenly he was facing helmet to helmet with him instead of helmet to chest.
Devil is in the details with these. That one just did not look "forcible" at all which is a part of the criteria required. No malicious intent.
2008 & Still Current (2008 NCAA Rulebook)
Initiating Contact/Targeting an Oppenent
1. No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul.
If you watch the play. The defender put his head down when closing in, your blind if you did not see his head go down. The rule specifically says, when in question it is a foul. It should have been called a foul on the initial play and not even needed to go to a review.
Also, I would challenge you to find a spinal specialist who would back your argument that you cannot get hurt with that form, regardless if your head is parallel with your spine, it is similar to being dropped directly on your head, and even if the defender had slowed down, he still has the momentum of 165 + lbs behind it
"No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet."
The point is he did not target Petrus with the crown of his helmet. It was incidental, and relatively mild. There was no forcible contact either (part of the specified criteria) like where he’d actually throw some weight behind his helmet in spearing the guy.
He was coming up to make a tackle, he was lower than Petrus, and Petrus was starting to go down so suddenly his helmet was in line with Petrus's helmet. I said in my last post: yes he lowered his helmet slightly, and I’m not defending that as IDEAL technique, but it’s like a 2 on the scale of 1-10 in terms dangerous technique as far as both he an Petrus are concerned. Go back and look. He didn't make contact directly with the top of the crown, it was an area in between the crown and the face-mask. He lowered it slightly and absorbed the incidental contact-- helmets literally collide on every single play and it's not like every single guy has his head perfectly up, but you want to just make sure you don’t literally have your facemask facing the ground, leading with all your weight behind the crown of your head (*shudder*). Compare that play to the ones where players actually get thrown out and you'll see why they didn't call the penalty there.
My guess is 1) the ref determined the helmet-to-helmet contact was incidental, not targeted, 2) it was not forcible contact (i.e. he didn’t throw his weight into the hit with the crown), and 3) he didn’t lower his helmet enough for call a penalty.
"he's lucky he didn't cripple himself"... "I suggest you speak to a spinal specialist" ... like what? So extreme, man. That thing you're talking about being "dropped directly on your head" is if he had literally threw his full body weight forward LEADING with the crown of his head down perpendicular to the ground. And put his full weight into the forcible contact with the crown. You're taking the fact that he lowered his helmet 2 centimeters to absorb INCIDENTAL contact and you're equating it with the most dreaded and dangerous tackling technique known to man.
Get a few first downs and finish them.
The first quarter was a joke how bad the defense was but ever since it's been pretty good. Not a lot of points after first like 17 minutes
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believes that was a legit targeting call. Your not supposed to lower your head and lead with the crown and should have 100% been a penalty
also the michigan player is lucky he didn't cripple himself
that was in the realm of possibly crippling himself. He was coming up on Petrus and I don't think he was purposely trying to hit helmet to helmet. If the offensive player starts to duck his body down and all of a sudden his helmet is level with your helmet, that's incidental. And he just slightly lowered his helmet and absorbed the contact, it's not like he put his head down at a 90 degree angle and launched his body crown-first into his head-and-neck area. Again there was not forcible contact he just slightly put his head down and absorbed the hit. He didn't come up aiming for Petrus's head. Petrus started to go down and that's why suddenly he was facing helmet to helmet with him instead of helmet to chest.
Devil is in the details with these. That one just did not look "forcible" at all which is a part of the criteria required. No malicious intent.
2008 & Still Current (2008 NCAA Rulebook)
Initiating Contact/Targeting an Oppenent
1. No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul.
If you watch the play. The defender put his head down when closing in, your blind if you did not see his head go down. The rule specifically says, when in question it is a foul. It should have been called a foul on the initial play and not even needed to go to a review.
Also, I would challenge you to find a spinal specialist who would back your argument that you cannot get hurt with that form, regardless if your head is parallel with your spine, it is similar to being dropped directly on your head, and even if the defender had slowed down, he still has the momentum of 165 + lbs behind it
"No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet."
The point is he did not target Petrus with the crown of his helmet. It was incidental, and relatively mild. There was no forcible contact either (part of the specified criteria) like where he’d actually throw some weight behind his helmet in spearing the guy.
He was coming up to make a tackle, he was lower than Petrus, and Petrus was starting to go down so suddenly his helmet was in line with Petrus's helmet. I said in my last post: yes he lowered his helmet slightly, and I’m not defending that as IDEAL technique, but it’s like a 2 on the scale of 1-10 in terms dangerous technique as far as both he an Petrus are concerned. Go back and look. He didn't make contact directly with the top of the crown, it was an area in between the crown and the face-mask. He lowered it slightly and absorbed the incidental contact-- helmets literally collide on every single play and it's not like every single guy has his head perfectly up, but you want to just make sure you don’t literally have your facemask facing the ground, leading with all your weight behind the crown of your head (*shudder*). Compare that play to the ones where players actually get thrown out and you'll see why they didn't call the penalty there.
My guess is 1) the ref determined the helmet-to-helmet contact was incidental, not targeted, 2) it was not forcible contact (i.e. he didn’t throw his weight into the hit with the crown), and 3) he didn’t lower his helmet enough for call a penalty.
"he's lucky he didn't cripple himself"... "I suggest you speak to a spinal specialist" ... like what? So extreme, man. That thing you're talking about being "dropped directly on your head" is if he had literally threw his full body weight forward LEADING with the crown of his head down perpendicular to the ground. And put his full weight into the forcible contact with the crown. You're taking the fact that he lowered his helmet 2 centimeters to absorb INCIDENTAL contact and you're equating it with the most dreaded and dangerous tackling technique known to man.
feel free to go to youtube the live feed and rewind. At no point was he lower than Petrus. Your blind AF and most likely a michigan fan
I have zero dog in this fight and other than being a D1 college safety on a football scholarship who majored in sports medicine I really dont know what im talking about regarding how safe his tackle was :shrug:
Harbaugh finally gets his. Everything after this is gravy.
It’s even more impressive to see live in person (I’m at the game)
That's Harbaugh, he's a dickwad of the first degree
Michigan will be #1 followed by Bama, Cincy, and Georgia last
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Alabama, Michigan, Georgia, Cincinnati
Michigan will be #1 followed by Bama, Cincy, and Georgia last
I think Alabama will be #1
1. Alabama
2. Michigan
3. Georgia
4. Cincinnati
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when Ferentz has waved the white flag by punting is shitty.
That's Harbaugh, he's a dickwad of the first degree
I wouldnt even shake his hand if I'm ferentz after the game.
Iowa punting means no fucking flea flickers and deep shots. If a guy breaks a 3 yard pass for a touchdown or a long run, so be it. I know it's typical for Harbaugh. Total jerkoff
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Alabama, Michigan, Georgia, Cincinnati
Michigan will be #1 followed by Bama, Cincy, and Georgia last
Bama is going to be #1. 1 loss and beat the hell out of the #1 team in Georgia today. And they arent going to want Bama-Georgia semifinals if they make them #2.
If they make Michigan #1, they'll make Georgia 4, even though I dont think that happens.
I'd be shocked if they put Georgia-Bama in semis when they played today. They can easily make an argument for Bama to be #1 to avoid that.
Michigan is goingt o have to throw the ball very well to be in the game at the end against Georgia
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when Ferentz has waved the white flag by punting is shitty.
That's Harbaugh, he's a dickwad of the first degree
I wouldnt even shake his hand if I'm ferentz after the game.
Iowa punting means no fucking flea flickers and deep shots. If a guy breaks a 3 yard pass for a touchdown or a long run, so be it. I know it's typical for Harbaugh. Total jerkoff
Imagine what Harbs would think of you? A POS loser. Take your L and stfu
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when Ferentz has waved the white flag by punting is shitty.
That's Harbaugh, he's a dickwad of the first degree
I wouldnt even shake his hand if I'm ferentz after the game.
Iowa punting means no fucking flea flickers and deep shots. If a guy breaks a 3 yard pass for a touchdown or a long run, so be it. I know it's typical for Harbaugh. Total jerkoff
Imagine what Harbs would think of you? A POS loser. Take your L and stfu
LMAO...My God, relax Francis
But Bama beat the #1 team. It's easy to justify. Especially when both teams have 1 loss.
Either way however they are ranked Michigan is going to play Georgia. I know Michigan would much rather not have to play Georgia but they are going to play Georgia.
The gap in competition was massive though. Iowa is closer to the 25th best team than the #1 team in the country.
Harbaugh has done this all year in blowouts with McCarthy to get him reps. This isn’t new.
Harbaugh always has been and always will be a jerkoff.
Flea flicker up 25 in a game where Ferentz punted waving the white flag.
It's like Joel Klaat isnt even watching the game. "When you're just handing the football off like this its fair game"
Did he miss the 3rd and 4 throw from the 20 yard line into the endzone? Or the flea flicker on 1st down up 25?
It's a scumbag move from a scumbag coach. Great year but winning with class has never been a thing for him, all the way back to Stanford
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with Harbaugh calling passes in a game that's already won
Harbaugh has done this all year in blowouts with McCarthy to get him reps. This isn’t new.
And that explains a flea flicker with McNamara after Iowa's white flag punt?
He's playing Georgia no matter what he does
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Given the fact that teams ranked higher won their games.
The gap in competition was massive though. Iowa is closer to the 25th best team than the #1 team in the country.
Iowa is closer to the 50th team in the country than they are the #1 team
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when Ferentz has waved the white flag by punting is shitty.
That's Harbaugh, he's a dickwad of the first degree
I wouldnt even shake his hand if I'm ferentz after the game.
Iowa punting means no fucking flea flickers and deep shots. If a guy breaks a 3 yard pass for a touchdown or a long run, so be it. I know it's typical for Harbaugh. Total jerkoff
I mean considering the CFP committee basically takes style points isnd margin of victory etc into consideration how can you blame him? If you don’t want this typa shit then don’t have a system where the playoff teams are voted on by humans. He’s doing this just in case 42-3 is enough to make the difference in the final standings— He wants to be #1 in the country and play Cinci instead of Georgia. Who wouldn’t do everything in their power to make that happen.
And I don’t know what this talk or “he waved the white flag” … he punted because he knew they were going to get the first down because their offense is abysmal and he saw that as being the best way to save face and maybe limit the final score to less of a blowout. Lol you presented that as though he was doing some generous favor to Harbaugh.
Kelly has been a douche at times, sure. But he's never done shit like this running the score up. Had many many chances to do so over 12 years
Harbaugh was running up the score tonight for no reason. They are playing Georgia no matter what
Michigan
OSU
MSU
And even PSU (cliffords injury against Iowa derailed their season)
Are the top 4 teams by far in the conference and they’re in the same division.
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when they had Brian Kelly as their coach for the last 13 years. That's kind of rich to me
Kelly has been a douche at times, sure. But he's never done shit like this running the score up. Had many many chances to do so over 12 years
I think Kelly was a real douche leaving ND and his players who played their butts off for him all season for $95 million at LSU when they still had a reasonable shot to make the playoff
Damn… that fucking sucks. Really sorry to hear that for him smh
Michigan
Alabama
Georgia
Cincinnati.
The Big 10 West needs a strong Nebraska team, otherwise it'll always be pretty weak. With a terrible Nebraska, there's no true national power in the West. Wisconsin is the closest to that, but they're probably a rung below the top teams
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when they had Brian Kelly as their coach for the last 13 years. That's kind of rich to me
Kelly has been a douche at times, sure. But he's never done shit like this running the score up. Had many many chances to do so over 12 years
I think Kelly was a real douche leaving ND and his players who played their butts off for him all season for $95 million at LSU when they still had a reasonable shot to make the playoff
I’m not even an ND fan but I was imagining like what if they made the playoff and actually ended up winning the championship? Would Kelly have even gotten a ring? I mean not that it matters it still would’ve been ultra embarrassing for him to have bailed on a team that then went on to win a title considering one of the main reasons he left was to have a chance to win a title lmao (well and for money Of course)
Baylor (Big 12)
Utah (Pac 12)
Best guesses at the at larges:
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Ole Miss
Oklahoma State
Michigan State
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when they had Brian Kelly as their coach for the last 13 years. That's kind of rich to me
Kelly has been a douche at times, sure. But he's never done shit like this running the score up. Had many many chances to do so over 12 years
I think Kelly was a real douche leaving ND and his players who played their butts off for him all season for $95 million at LSU when they still had a reasonable shot to make the playoff
The early signing period and the way things are set up in college football means you will have shit like this happen. I dont blame him for that and think ND will be better off in the long run because i think he got them as far as he was capable. Not being a recruiter really at all was Kelly's major flaw and likely what has prevented them from taking the next step.
The timing of it is shitty but I blame it more on the early signing period than anything. If you're going to leave you pretty much have to do it before the bowl games
That is something
He will
That sucks for them. I loved watching Metchie’s feel for the game. Whenever Young was struggling to find someone, he always had a way of finding soft spot in his line of site.
Michigan
Georgia
Cincinnati
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Baylor
Mississippi
Michigan State
Pitt
IMV:
#1 Michigan
#2 Alabama
#3 Georgia
#4 Cincinnati
But I am sure CFP wants a Georgia/Alabama rematch so I will bet 'Bama jumps Michigan to #1. But as well as Michigan is playing and as exposed as Georgia was last night, it would not surprise me to see Michigan beat Georgia.
I think ND would win if the two met tomorrow. ND was @ the start of the season; new OL, splitting QBs, etc...hell, ND almost lost to freaking Toledo in mid September. ND right now is a MUCH, MUCH better team in December than it was a couple of months ago. We'll never know & the Bearcats deserve to make the CFP.
It will be:
Alabama
Michigan
Georgia
Cincinnati
Dec 31 will be a fun day of college football
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with Harbaugh calling passes in a game that's already won
Harbaugh always has been and always will be a jerkoff.
Flea flicker up 25 in a game where Ferentz punted waving the white flag.
It's like Joel Klaat isnt even watching the game. "When you're just handing the football off like this its fair game"
Did he miss the 3rd and 4 throw from the 20 yard line into the endzone? Or the flea flicker on 1st down up 25?
It's a scumbag move from a scumbag coach. Great year but winning with class has never been a thing for him, all the way back to Stanford
Didn’t you always rush to defend Harbaugh when he coached San Fran? It seems I remember you always gushing about him because your brother is a Niners fan and whenever someone on BBI had something negative to say about Harbaugh at the time you’d always push back and tell everyone how awesome he was. I don’t remember you saying these things about him when he was running your brothers favorite team. Though I suppose I could be misremembering
Bama
Michigan
Georgia
Cincy.
I don't have time for the pain...
Bama did have the best victory but they struggled against many teams this year (Auburn, Arkansas, Florida…). So while they were absolutely awesome this week… so was Michigan the last two weeks.
I don’t think Michigan would have a chance against either, but they probably deserve the 1 seed for their work for the entire year. Remember their only loss came on a very controversial game where the Big 10 admitted the officials royally screwed them basicaly all game.
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No offense but why were you guys saying earlier that if you got a rematch with Cinci you think you'd definitely win? Didn't Cinci put a pretty good beat down on ND when they won that game??
I think ND would win if the two met tomorrow. ND was @ the start of the season; new OL, splitting QBs, etc...hell, ND almost lost to freaking Toledo in mid September. ND right now is a MUCH, MUCH better team in December than it was a couple of months ago. We'll never know & the Bearcats deserve to make the CFP.
I agree. ND is a much different(better)team then when they met two months ago. And Michigan is a much different team then one month ago.
I still put Cincy in at #4 because at 12-0 they deserve it and they did beat ND which definitely counts.
Bama did have the best victory but they struggled against many teams this year (Auburn, Arkansas, Florida…). So while they were absolutely awesome this week… so was Michigan the last two weeks.
I don’t think Michigan would have a chance against either, but they probably deserve the 1 seed for their work for the entire year. Remember their only loss came on a very controversial game where the Big 10 admitted the officials royally screwed them basicaly all game.
Michigan hasn't been crushing it this year though. If we are going by that line of thinking then doesn't the games against Nebraska, Rutgers and Penn St. effect things too?
I don't understand how anyone can come away with this thinking that Michigan would lose to Bama but somehow has earned the #1 seed more than them, doesn't compute.
May switch Bama and Cincy, but the final effect is the same. This seems fair, and sets up for Semi's of Mich-GA and Cincy-Bama.
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To say Bama and Georgia are the two best teams in the nation. They have been 1-2 for a lot of the year. However that doesn’t mean they should automatically avoid each other in the semi final either. It showing direct bias towards a conference.
Bama did have the best victory but they struggled against many teams this year (Auburn, Arkansas, Florida…). So while they were absolutely awesome this week… so was Michigan the last two weeks.
I don’t think Michigan would have a chance against either, but they probably deserve the 1 seed for their work for the entire year. Remember their only loss came on a very controversial game where the Big 10 admitted the officials royally screwed them basicaly all game.
Michigan hasn't been crushing it this year though. If we are going by that line of thinking then doesn't the games against Nebraska, Rutgers and Penn St. effect things too?
I don't understand how anyone can come away with this thinking that Michigan would lose to Bama but somehow has earned the #1 seed more than them, doesn't compute.
Cause when you’re doing rankings - you take into consideration a years worth of playing. And while Bama May have been a sleeping Giant, they were not a Giant all year.
My point is that they shouldn’t just separate the two SEC teams from playing each just because they just played. Which you know will be a considerations.
And I just looked at Georgia’s schedule. My god - might be the easiest schedule I’ve ever seen. Clemson sucking ass this year hurt them obviously. But my god. No Ole Miss, Miss St, A&M.
May switch Bama and Cincy, but the final effect is the same. This seems fair, and sets up for Semi's of Mich-GA and Cincy-Bama.
I am thinking Bama-Mich-Georgia-Cincy
Bama did have the best victory but they struggled against many teams this year (Auburn, Arkansas, Florida…). So while they were absolutely awesome this week… so was Michigan the last two weeks.
I don’t think Michigan would have a chance against either, but they probably deserve the 1 seed for their work for the entire year. Remember their only loss came on a very controversial game where the Big 10 admitted the officials royally screwed them basicaly all game.
I actually think Michigan has a chance in the playoff. No Metchie for Alabama, plus they are getting Georgia in the midst of a QB controversy
should be interesting games. I also think that's how it comes out.
Bama
Michigan
Georgia
Cincy.
I don’t like leap frogging a team that beat a top 15 team but if the committee does it, Cinn should be at 3.
Nothing wrong with the rematch here.
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1) Mich, 2)Bama, 3)Cincy, 4) Georgia
May switch Bama and Cincy, but the final effect is the same. This seems fair, and sets up for Semi's of Mich-GA and Cincy-Bama.
I am thinking Bama-Mich-Georgia-Cincy
That’s what it will be.
Cincinnati is a great team. Ridder is now a first round QB. He's far better than either QB for Georgia or Michigan. But they will be #4 because of the conference concern.
So Michigan/Georgia are either 2 or 3.
I have no doubt,btw, if Cincinnati did get seeded higher and played Michigan they would win by a TD. They match up very, very well.
Who cares about this phoney-baloney playoff system. The idiot sportswriters didn't like the coaches poll and beat the drum for a "playoff", the NCAA saw a tv money bonanza, and here is the result- the Cornpone Invitational. Yawn
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The culture Saban has built is one of the greatest in team sports history.
Gold standard for the use of booster money. They've done a great job taking advantage of the Newton rule and buying players from all over.
Who cares about this phoney-baloney playoff system. The idiot sportswriters didn't like the coaches poll and beat the drum for a "playoff", the NCAA saw a tv money bonanza, and here is the result- the Cornpone Invitational. Yawn
However Saban/Alabama gets the talent, Saban's ability to develop, motivate and coach that talent is the bigger story.
He's changed with the times and has a record that is unmatched.
The other stuff about the playoffs, money, etc is a different topic. I love a tournament over the BSC system of exhibition bowl system and hope the go to 8 or 12.
Going to 8 doesn't dilute anything. It actually helps the smaller conferences, which is a great thing. And will likely lead to auto bids for the bigger conference champions.
So what's not to like?
Why does that matter?
Just make it 8 teams and be done with it.
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But not before Notre Dame joins a conference
Why does that matter?
Just make it 8 teams and be done with it.
It matters because an independent Notre Dame can go 10-2 and be the #8 seed every year if they remain independent in an 8 team playoff scenario
I think it dilutes. And it’ll be a slippery slope.
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I think it dilutes. And it’ll be a slippery slope.
I want 8
The 5 auto bids from each conference, provided the conference champion is a 2 loss team or better
An auto bid for the best non-Power 5 team
The best two at-larges
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But not before Notre Dame joins a conference
Why does that matter?
Just make it 8 teams and be done with it.
It matters because an independent Notre Dame can go 10-2 and be the #8 seed every year if they remain independent in an 8 team playoff scenario
Not getting your logic. They still need to be ranked. So if they join Conference US or MAAC that is good enough?
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But not before Notre Dame joins a conference
Why does that matter?
Just make it 8 teams and be done with it.
It matters because an independent Notre Dame can go 10-2 and be the #8 seed every year if they remain independent in an 8 team playoff scenario
Not getting your logic. They still need to be ranked. So if they join Conference US or MAAC that is good enough?
Join a Power 5 conference
The end
Michigan had zero chance to be the #1 seed after Bama hammered Georgia. And the committee was actually watching the games together, they weren't going to make them #1 because they ran the score up on Iowa.
#2 Michigan vs. #3 Georgia
No surprises there
For one if they join a conference their schedule most years would be much easier and sometimes significantly easier.
Anyone who wants ND to join a conference better pray the playoff never expands, because if it does they aren't joining a conference ever.
--Said that they don't talk about setting up potential rematches of conference championship games in the semifinals
--Cincinnati is the last undefeated team that just won a conference championship. Won at ND. There was a strong consensus that Cincinnati was #4
--No discussion on what would have happened if Oklahoma State won and there was a controversy between them and Cincinnati for #4
Georgia -7 vs. Michigan
Michigan vs. Georgia--Miami, FL
The geography of these bowl games suck though. Favors southern teams.
Michigan will need better QB play because Georgia’s secondary isn’t good.
The geography of these bowl games suck though. Favors southern teams.
Michigan will need better QB play because Georgia’s secondary isn’t good.
Georgia has a good secondary actually.
But they got exposed yesterday due to the last of pass rush.
Marrone did a great job getting the Bama OL fixed after the Auburn fiasco.
The geography of these bowl games suck though. Favors southern teams.
Michigan will need better QB play because Georgia’s secondary isn’t good.
I think they are but Georgia has a QB problem right now. Think they'll have to switch to JT Daniels to have a legit shot in the playoff
Michigan vs. Georgia--Miami, FL
I'm going to cheer like hell for Cinncinnati. I don't expect them to win, but I'd love to see them make a great national showing.
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Alabama vs. Cincinnati--Dallas, TX
Michigan vs. Georgia--Miami, FL
I'm going to cheer like hell for Cinncinnati. I don't expect them to win, but I'd love to see them make a great national showing.
Same. Don't really know why, but I spend a lot of time in Cincy years ago, for business, and I'm just rooting for them. It's a serious sports town.
Gun to head...I think it is 'Bama-UGA rematch.
I like that matchup for ND.