it's so stupid. what the hell are you supposed to do with your helmet. You have a helmet for in case someone bumps helmets with you lol. It's only bad if you forcibly purposely use the crown of your helmet a weapon and drive it into a guy's head when you could've easily avoided it. Obviously not what happened here.
The rule is in place to protect the defender as much as it is to protect the ball carrier. I'm a bit surprised that wasn't targeting, you clearly had the crown of the helmet and it looked to me to be more than a little glancing blow. Not as bad as some i've seen but I agree with Pereira on that one it was targeting based on the rules.
They're trying to get the defenders to stop dipping their heads like that. It puts both players in a terrible position
I think the lack of forcible contact is what got him off. He did not aim with the crown of his helmet. Honestly looking closely he also didn't hit directly on the top of the crown of his head, it was sort of in between the very top of the crown and his face mask. He put his head down but not all the way and it wasn't forcible nor purposeful, I think the fact the helmets collided was more incidental and spurred by the way Petrus went down.
Probably not ideal he dipped his helmet I agree but as you said the action of it was like a 2 on the scale of 1-10 of how violent it looked. I'm guessing they did not want to give an automatic first down on a 3rd and 20 for something that technically was not ideal but was also really nothing that dangerous relatively speaking. Just my 2 cents.
Remember all the talk of how Chase Young’s lack of sacks and big games was because he was double teamed? Hutchison didn’t have a problem at all on that one. Freaking amazing!
believes that was a legit targeting call. Your not supposed to lower your head and lead with the crown and should have 100% been a penalty
also the michigan player is lucky he didn't cripple himself
that was in the realm of possibly crippling himself. He was coming up on Petrus and I don't think he was purposely trying to hit helmet to helmet. If the offensive player starts to duck his body down and all of a sudden his helmet is level with your helmet, that's incidental. And he just slightly lowered his helmet and absorbed the contact, it's not like he put his head down at a 90 degree angle and launched his body crown-first into his head-and-neck area. Again there was not forcible contact he just slightly put his head down and absorbed the hit. He didn't come up aiming for Petrus's head. Petrus started to go down and that's why suddenly he was facing helmet to helmet with him instead of helmet to chest.
Devil is in the details with these. That one just did not look "forcible" at all which is a part of the criteria required. No malicious intent.
2008 & Still Current (2008 NCAA Rulebook)
Initiating Contact/Targeting an Oppenent
1. No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul.
If you watch the play. The defender put his head down when closing in, your blind if you did not see his head go down. The rule specifically says, when in question it is a foul. It should have been called a foul on the initial play and not even needed to go to a review.
Also, I would challenge you to find a spinal specialist who would back your argument that you cannot get hurt with that form, regardless if your head is parallel with your spine, it is similar to being dropped directly on your head, and even if the defender had slowed down, he still has the momentum of 165 + lbs behind it
at all with the targeting rules. My problem is the punishment. Guys shouldn't be thrown out of a game unless its so egregious. It should basically be like a flagrant 1 and 2 in basketball. Targeting 1 is a 15 yard penalty. Targeting 2 is an ejection
Michigan, Alabama, Cincinnati, and Georgia. I think the committee will rank them in a way to avoid a SEC rematch in first round IMO, so it more than likely will end up being Alabama v Cincinnati and Georgia v Michigan.
will be Ohio State vs Utah. Terrific matchup there. This Utah team has been through more than just about any team in college football history not named Marshall.
believes that was a legit targeting call. Your not supposed to lower your head and lead with the crown and should have 100% been a penalty
also the michigan player is lucky he didn't cripple himself
that was in the realm of possibly crippling himself. He was coming up on Petrus and I don't think he was purposely trying to hit helmet to helmet. If the offensive player starts to duck his body down and all of a sudden his helmet is level with your helmet, that's incidental. And he just slightly lowered his helmet and absorbed the contact, it's not like he put his head down at a 90 degree angle and launched his body crown-first into his head-and-neck area. Again there was not forcible contact he just slightly put his head down and absorbed the hit. He didn't come up aiming for Petrus's head. Petrus started to go down and that's why suddenly he was facing helmet to helmet with him instead of helmet to chest.
Devil is in the details with these. That one just did not look "forcible" at all which is a part of the criteria required. No malicious intent.
2008 & Still Current (2008 NCAA Rulebook)
Initiating Contact/Targeting an Oppenent
1. No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul.
If you watch the play. The defender put his head down when closing in, your blind if you did not see his head go down. The rule specifically says, when in question it is a foul. It should have been called a foul on the initial play and not even needed to go to a review.
Also, I would challenge you to find a spinal specialist who would back your argument that you cannot get hurt with that form, regardless if your head is parallel with your spine, it is similar to being dropped directly on your head, and even if the defender had slowed down, he still has the momentum of 165 + lbs behind it
"No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet."
The point is he did not target Petrus with the crown of his helmet. It was incidental, and relatively mild. There was no forcible contact either (part of the specified criteria) like where he’d actually throw some weight behind his helmet in spearing the guy.
He was coming up to make a tackle, he was lower than Petrus, and Petrus was starting to go down so suddenly his helmet was in line with Petrus's helmet. I said in my last post: yes he lowered his helmet slightly, and I’m not defending that as IDEAL technique, but it’s like a 2 on the scale of 1-10 in terms dangerous technique as far as both he an Petrus are concerned. Go back and look. He didn't make contact directly with the top of the crown, it was an area in between the crown and the face-mask. He lowered it slightly and absorbed the incidental contact-- helmets literally collide on every single play and it's not like every single guy has his head perfectly up, but you want to just make sure you don’t literally have your facemask facing the ground, leading with all your weight behind the crown of your head (*shudder*). Compare that play to the ones where players actually get thrown out and you'll see why they didn't call the penalty there.
My guess is 1) the ref determined the helmet-to-helmet contact was incidental, not targeted, 2) it was not forcible contact (i.e. he didn’t throw his weight into the hit with the crown), and 3) he didn’t lower his helmet enough for call a penalty.
"he's lucky he didn't cripple himself"... "I suggest you speak to a spinal specialist" ... like what? So extreme, man. That thing you're talking about being "dropped directly on your head" is if he had literally threw his full body weight forward LEADING with the crown of his head down perpendicular to the ground. And put his full weight into the forcible contact with the crown. You're taking the fact that he lowered his helmet 2 centimeters to absorb INCIDENTAL contact and you're equating it with the most dreaded and dangerous tackling technique known to man.
McNamara has had time on a number of pass plays and he’s made poor reads or poor throws
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it's so stupid. what the hell are you supposed to do with your helmet. You have a helmet for in case someone bumps helmets with you lol. It's only bad if you forcibly purposely use the crown of your helmet a weapon and drive it into a guy's head when you could've easily avoided it. Obviously not what happened here.
The rule is in place to protect the defender as much as it is to protect the ball carrier. I'm a bit surprised that wasn't targeting, you clearly had the crown of the helmet and it looked to me to be more than a little glancing blow. Not as bad as some i've seen but I agree with Pereira on that one it was targeting based on the rules.
They're trying to get the defenders to stop dipping their heads like that. It puts both players in a terrible position
I think the lack of forcible contact is what got him off. He did not aim with the crown of his helmet. Honestly looking closely he also didn't hit directly on the top of the crown of his head, it was sort of in between the very top of the crown and his face mask. He put his head down but not all the way and it wasn't forcible nor purposeful, I think the fact the helmets collided was more incidental and spurred by the way Petrus went down.
Probably not ideal he dipped his helmet I agree but as you said the action of it was like a 2 on the scale of 1-10 of how violent it looked. I'm guessing they did not want to give an automatic first down on a 3rd and 20 for something that technically was not ideal but was also really nothing that dangerous relatively speaking. Just my 2 cents.
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believes that was a legit targeting call. Your not supposed to lower your head and lead with the crown and should have 100% been a penalty
also the michigan player is lucky he didn't cripple himself
that was in the realm of possibly crippling himself. He was coming up on Petrus and I don't think he was purposely trying to hit helmet to helmet. If the offensive player starts to duck his body down and all of a sudden his helmet is level with your helmet, that's incidental. And he just slightly lowered his helmet and absorbed the contact, it's not like he put his head down at a 90 degree angle and launched his body crown-first into his head-and-neck area. Again there was not forcible contact he just slightly put his head down and absorbed the hit. He didn't come up aiming for Petrus's head. Petrus started to go down and that's why suddenly he was facing helmet to helmet with him instead of helmet to chest.
Devil is in the details with these. That one just did not look "forcible" at all which is a part of the criteria required. No malicious intent.
2008 & Still Current (2008 NCAA Rulebook)
Initiating Contact/Targeting an Oppenent
1. No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul.
If you watch the play. The defender put his head down when closing in, your blind if you did not see his head go down. The rule specifically says, when in question it is a foul. It should have been called a foul on the initial play and not even needed to go to a review.
Also, I would challenge you to find a spinal specialist who would back your argument that you cannot get hurt with that form, regardless if your head is parallel with your spine, it is similar to being dropped directly on your head, and even if the defender had slowed down, he still has the momentum of 165 + lbs behind it
Don’t need them on saturdays.
If Michigan had 1 - they may be up 4 scores.
The Giants badly need someone with his skill set and mentality
Michigan does - #9, not #12
On a thread about him Eric kept asking the question “how does he fit in Graham’s defense”.. which is silly.
Maybe - they can’t run the ball though
Anyways Graham won't even be here the next time the Giants are good. Hutchinson fits in every teams scheme.
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Maybe - they can’t run the ball though
Of course, outside of that long TD run Michigan hasn’t done much on the ground either
This is an organization who drafted a running back #2 in 2018.
They could fuck up a one car funeral
Bama vs Cincy
Michigan vs Georgia
On New Years Eve. Assume Bama vs Cincy in Miami and Michigan vs Georgia in Dallas.
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believes that was a legit targeting call. Your not supposed to lower your head and lead with the crown and should have 100% been a penalty
also the michigan player is lucky he didn't cripple himself
that was in the realm of possibly crippling himself. He was coming up on Petrus and I don't think he was purposely trying to hit helmet to helmet. If the offensive player starts to duck his body down and all of a sudden his helmet is level with your helmet, that's incidental. And he just slightly lowered his helmet and absorbed the contact, it's not like he put his head down at a 90 degree angle and launched his body crown-first into his head-and-neck area. Again there was not forcible contact he just slightly put his head down and absorbed the hit. He didn't come up aiming for Petrus's head. Petrus started to go down and that's why suddenly he was facing helmet to helmet with him instead of helmet to chest.
Devil is in the details with these. That one just did not look "forcible" at all which is a part of the criteria required. No malicious intent.
2008 & Still Current (2008 NCAA Rulebook)
Initiating Contact/Targeting an Oppenent
1. No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul.
If you watch the play. The defender put his head down when closing in, your blind if you did not see his head go down. The rule specifically says, when in question it is a foul. It should have been called a foul on the initial play and not even needed to go to a review.
Also, I would challenge you to find a spinal specialist who would back your argument that you cannot get hurt with that form, regardless if your head is parallel with your spine, it is similar to being dropped directly on your head, and even if the defender had slowed down, he still has the momentum of 165 + lbs behind it
"No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet."
The point is he did not target Petrus with the crown of his helmet. It was incidental, and relatively mild. There was no forcible contact either (part of the specified criteria) like where he’d actually throw some weight behind his helmet in spearing the guy.
He was coming up to make a tackle, he was lower than Petrus, and Petrus was starting to go down so suddenly his helmet was in line with Petrus's helmet. I said in my last post: yes he lowered his helmet slightly, and I’m not defending that as IDEAL technique, but it’s like a 2 on the scale of 1-10 in terms dangerous technique as far as both he an Petrus are concerned. Go back and look. He didn't make contact directly with the top of the crown, it was an area in between the crown and the face-mask. He lowered it slightly and absorbed the incidental contact-- helmets literally collide on every single play and it's not like every single guy has his head perfectly up, but you want to just make sure you don’t literally have your facemask facing the ground, leading with all your weight behind the crown of your head (*shudder*). Compare that play to the ones where players actually get thrown out and you'll see why they didn't call the penalty there.
My guess is 1) the ref determined the helmet-to-helmet contact was incidental, not targeted, 2) it was not forcible contact (i.e. he didn’t throw his weight into the hit with the crown), and 3) he didn’t lower his helmet enough for call a penalty.
"he's lucky he didn't cripple himself"... "I suggest you speak to a spinal specialist" ... like what? So extreme, man. That thing you're talking about being "dropped directly on your head" is if he had literally threw his full body weight forward LEADING with the crown of his head down perpendicular to the ground. And put his full weight into the forcible contact with the crown. You're taking the fact that he lowered his helmet 2 centimeters to absorb INCIDENTAL contact and you're equating it with the most dreaded and dangerous tackling technique known to man.
Get a few first downs and finish them.
The first quarter was a joke how bad the defense was but ever since it's been pretty good. Not a lot of points after first like 17 minutes