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montanagiant : 12/4/2021 10:41 am
Baylor vs OKS
Georgia vs Bama
Michigan vs Iowa
Cincy vs Houston
Pitt vs Wake Forest

Great day for College Football
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Sweet  
RCPhoenix : 12/4/2021 9:47 pm : link
Hutchinson is a beast
Sack for Hutchinson  
jeff57 : 12/4/2021 9:47 pm : link
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There's Aidan Hutchinson  
dpinzow : 12/4/2021 9:47 pm : link
beat a double team
HUTCH  
GNewGiants : 12/4/2021 9:47 pm : link
!!!!
please dear God  
Mook80 : 12/4/2021 9:47 pm : link
let the Giants or Bears be bad enough for the Giants to get Hutchinson
RE: McNamara has not been good  
RCPhoenix : 12/4/2021 9:48 pm : link
In comment 15479792 jeff57 said:
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But the pass protection has been terrible.


McNamara has had time on a number of pass plays and he’s made poor reads or poor throws
RE: RE: RE: Targeted?  
Leg of Theismann : 12/4/2021 9:48 pm : link
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He glanced his helmet



it's so stupid. what the hell are you supposed to do with your helmet. You have a helmet for in case someone bumps helmets with you lol. It's only bad if you forcibly purposely use the crown of your helmet a weapon and drive it into a guy's head when you could've easily avoided it. Obviously not what happened here.



The rule is in place to protect the defender as much as it is to protect the ball carrier. I'm a bit surprised that wasn't targeting, you clearly had the crown of the helmet and it looked to me to be more than a little glancing blow. Not as bad as some i've seen but I agree with Pereira on that one it was targeting based on the rules.

They're trying to get the defenders to stop dipping their heads like that. It puts both players in a terrible position


I think the lack of forcible contact is what got him off. He did not aim with the crown of his helmet. Honestly looking closely he also didn't hit directly on the top of the crown of his head, it was sort of in between the very top of the crown and his face mask. He put his head down but not all the way and it wasn't forcible nor purposeful, I think the fact the helmets collided was more incidental and spurred by the way Petrus went down.

Probably not ideal he dipped his helmet I agree but as you said the action of it was like a 2 on the scale of 1-10 of how violent it looked. I'm guessing they did not want to give an automatic first down on a 3rd and 20 for something that technically was not ideal but was also really nothing that dangerous relatively speaking. Just my 2 cents.
Now that’s how you beat a double team!!!  
sb from NYT Forum : 12/4/2021 9:49 pm : link
Remember all the talk of how Chase Young’s lack of sacks and big games was because he was double teamed? Hutchison didn’t have a problem at all on that one. Freaking amazing!
RE: RE: regardless if anyone  
outeiroj : 12/4/2021 9:50 pm : link
In comment 15479783 Leg of Theismann said:
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believes that was a legit targeting call. Your not supposed to lower your head and lead with the crown and should have 100% been a penalty

also the michigan player is lucky he didn't cripple himself



that was in the realm of possibly crippling himself. He was coming up on Petrus and I don't think he was purposely trying to hit helmet to helmet. If the offensive player starts to duck his body down and all of a sudden his helmet is level with your helmet, that's incidental. And he just slightly lowered his helmet and absorbed the contact, it's not like he put his head down at a 90 degree angle and launched his body crown-first into his head-and-neck area. Again there was not forcible contact he just slightly put his head down and absorbed the hit. He didn't come up aiming for Petrus's head. Petrus started to go down and that's why suddenly he was facing helmet to helmet with him instead of helmet to chest.

Devil is in the details with these. That one just did not look "forcible" at all which is a part of the criteria required. No malicious intent.


2008 & Still Current (2008 NCAA Rulebook)

Initiating Contact/Targeting an Oppenent
1. No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul.

If you watch the play. The defender put his head down when closing in, your blind if you did not see his head go down. The rule specifically says, when in question it is a foul. It should have been called a foul on the initial play and not even needed to go to a review.

Also, I would challenge you to find a spinal specialist who would back your argument that you cannot get hurt with that form, regardless if your head is parallel with your spine, it is similar to being dropped directly on your head, and even if the defender had slowed down, he still has the momentum of 165 + lbs behind it
I dont have a problem  
Mook80 : 12/4/2021 9:50 pm : link
at all with the targeting rules. My problem is the punishment. Guys shouldn't be thrown out of a game unless its so egregious. It should basically be like a flagrant 1 and 2 in basketball. Targeting 1 is a 15 yard penalty. Targeting 2 is an ejection
I see Daniel Jones  
GNewGiants : 12/4/2021 9:52 pm : link
Throw these 3 yard passes on Sunday.

Don’t need them on saturdays.
bringing in McCarthy  
Mook80 : 12/4/2021 9:53 pm : link
to throw a hail mary
Michigan 14-3 at halftime  
dpinzow : 12/4/2021 9:53 pm : link
Iowa gets the ball in the 2nd half
Hopefully we’ll see more of JJ and less of Cade  
RCPhoenix : 12/4/2021 9:54 pm : link
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If Iowa has a QB they'd be right in this  
PatersonPlank : 12/4/2021 9:54 pm : link
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Cade  
KDubbs : 12/4/2021 9:56 pm : link
looks shook for the 1st time. gotta play better
RE: If Iowa has a QB they'd be right in this  
GNewGiants : 12/4/2021 9:56 pm : link
In comment 15479811 PatersonPlank said:
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If Michigan had 1 - they may be up 4 scores.
With Hutchinson I also don’t get the whole is he 4-3 or 3-4  
RCPhoenix : 12/4/2021 9:56 pm : link
He’s an ER and you put him on the line of scrimmage. He is long, quick and strong - and he is clearly the leader of the D.

The Giants badly need someone with his skill set and mentality
RE: If Iowa has a QB they'd be right in this  
RCPhoenix : 12/4/2021 9:57 pm : link
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Michigan does - #9, not #12
who gives a shit what he is  
Mook80 : 12/4/2021 9:57 pm : link
he'd be the best player on the defense tomorrow
RE: who gives a shit what he is  
RCPhoenix : 12/4/2021 10:15 pm : link
In comment 15479817 Mook80 said:
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he'd be the best player on the defense tomorrow


On a thread about him Eric kept asking the question “how does he fit in Graham’s defense”.. which is silly.
RE: If Iowa has a QB they'd be right in this  
RCPhoenix : 12/4/2021 10:16 pm : link
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Maybe - they can’t run the ball though
How he fits in Graham's defense  
Mook80 : 12/4/2021 10:17 pm : link
shouldn't even be a question. If a coordinator's scheme can't fit a player like Hutchinson in it, then he shouldn't be the DC anymore.

Anyways Graham won't even be here the next time the Giants are good. Hutchinson fits in every teams scheme.
RE: RE: If Iowa has a QB they'd be right in this  
RCPhoenix : 12/4/2021 10:17 pm : link
In comment 15479824 RCPhoenix said:
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Maybe - they can’t run the ball though


Of course, outside of that long TD run Michigan hasn’t done much on the ground either
If The Giants pass on Hutchinson  
WillVAB : 12/4/2021 10:18 pm : link
Because of some 3-4 4-3 or coverage bullshit this organization is hopeless. He’s exactly what the defense needs.
Michigan type drive  
GNewGiants : 12/4/2021 10:29 pm : link
Need 7.
Great throw  
GNewGiants : 12/4/2021 10:30 pm : link
By MCNamara!!
That  
AcidTest : 12/4/2021 10:31 pm : link
was a great throw by McNamara.
TD  
AcidTest : 12/4/2021 10:31 pm : link
by Michigan.
Michigan mashes their way to a TD in their first drive after halftime  
dpinzow : 12/4/2021 10:32 pm : link
21-3 Michigan. The run game got reestablished
Cade’s best throw of the day sets up the TD  
RCPhoenix : 12/4/2021 10:33 pm : link
Hopefully he keeps it up
RE: If The Giants pass on Hutchinson  
Mook80 : 12/4/2021 10:34 pm : link
In comment 15479827 WillVAB said:
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Because of some 3-4 4-3 or coverage bullshit this organization is hopeless. He’s exactly what the defense needs.


This is an organization who drafted a running back #2 in 2018.

They could fuck up a one car funeral
Let’s go D  
RCPhoenix : 12/4/2021 10:35 pm : link
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Iowa switching quarterbacks  
dpinzow : 12/4/2021 10:35 pm : link
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Backup QB in for Iowa  
GNewGiants : 12/4/2021 10:36 pm : link
Probably more mobile. Let’s go Hutch and Ojabo. Eatin time!
I don't see Iowa being able to score 18 so the CFP is set  
BH28 : 12/4/2021 10:37 pm : link
Michigan, Alabama, Cincinnati, and Georgia. I think the committee will rank them in a way to avoid a SEC rematch in first round IMO, so it more than likely will end up being Alabama v Cincinnati and Georgia v Michigan.
New QB for Iowa  
RCPhoenix : 12/4/2021 10:39 pm : link
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Barring something crazy  
Mook80 : 12/4/2021 10:40 pm : link
we're looking at

Bama vs Cincy
Michigan vs Georgia

On New Years Eve. Assume Bama vs Cincy in Miami and Michigan vs Georgia in Dallas.
Rose Bowl  
Mook80 : 12/4/2021 10:42 pm : link
will be Ohio State vs Utah. Terrific matchup there. This Utah team has been through more than just about any team in college football history not named Marshall.
Giants are the Chiefs compared to Iowa's offense  
shadow_spinner0 : 12/4/2021 10:45 pm : link
geez what a boring playbook, like it's 1972
Come on  
GNewGiants : 12/4/2021 10:45 pm : link
He’s not going to beat you deep.
RE: RE: RE: regardless if anyone  
Leg of Theismann : 12/4/2021 10:45 pm : link
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believes that was a legit targeting call. Your not supposed to lower your head and lead with the crown and should have 100% been a penalty

also the michigan player is lucky he didn't cripple himself



that was in the realm of possibly crippling himself. He was coming up on Petrus and I don't think he was purposely trying to hit helmet to helmet. If the offensive player starts to duck his body down and all of a sudden his helmet is level with your helmet, that's incidental. And he just slightly lowered his helmet and absorbed the contact, it's not like he put his head down at a 90 degree angle and launched his body crown-first into his head-and-neck area. Again there was not forcible contact he just slightly put his head down and absorbed the hit. He didn't come up aiming for Petrus's head. Petrus started to go down and that's why suddenly he was facing helmet to helmet with him instead of helmet to chest.

Devil is in the details with these. That one just did not look "forcible" at all which is a part of the criteria required. No malicious intent.



2008 & Still Current (2008 NCAA Rulebook)

Initiating Contact/Targeting an Oppenent
1. No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul.

If you watch the play. The defender put his head down when closing in, your blind if you did not see his head go down. The rule specifically says, when in question it is a foul. It should have been called a foul on the initial play and not even needed to go to a review.

Also, I would challenge you to find a spinal specialist who would back your argument that you cannot get hurt with that form, regardless if your head is parallel with your spine, it is similar to being dropped directly on your head, and even if the defender had slowed down, he still has the momentum of 165 + lbs behind it


"No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet."

The point is he did not target Petrus with the crown of his helmet. It was incidental, and relatively mild. There was no forcible contact either (part of the specified criteria) like where he’d actually throw some weight behind his helmet in spearing the guy.

He was coming up to make a tackle, he was lower than Petrus, and Petrus was starting to go down so suddenly his helmet was in line with Petrus's helmet. I said in my last post: yes he lowered his helmet slightly, and I’m not defending that as IDEAL technique, but it’s like a 2 on the scale of 1-10 in terms dangerous technique as far as both he an Petrus are concerned. Go back and look. He didn't make contact directly with the top of the crown, it was an area in between the crown and the face-mask. He lowered it slightly and absorbed the incidental contact-- helmets literally collide on every single play and it's not like every single guy has his head perfectly up, but you want to just make sure you don’t literally have your facemask facing the ground, leading with all your weight behind the crown of your head (*shudder*). Compare that play to the ones where players actually get thrown out and you'll see why they didn't call the penalty there.

My guess is 1) the ref determined the helmet-to-helmet contact was incidental, not targeted, 2) it was not forcible contact (i.e. he didn’t throw his weight into the hit with the crown), and 3) he didn’t lower his helmet enough for call a penalty.

"he's lucky he didn't cripple himself"... "I suggest you speak to a spinal specialist" ... like what? So extreme, man. That thing you're talking about being "dropped directly on your head" is if he had literally threw his full body weight forward LEADING with the crown of his head down perpendicular to the ground. And put his full weight into the forcible contact with the crown. You're taking the fact that he lowered his helmet 2 centimeters to absorb INCIDENTAL contact and you're equating it with the most dreaded and dangerous tackling technique known to man.


4th and 3 for Iowa from the Michigan 8  
dpinzow : 12/4/2021 10:47 pm : link
they have to go for it
Huge STOP!!!  
GNewGiants : 12/4/2021 10:48 pm : link
Protect the ball

Get a few first downs and finish them.
Michigan gets there  
dpinzow : 12/4/2021 10:48 pm : link
and forces the turnover on downs
ACC Title game  
shadow_spinner0 : 12/4/2021 10:49 pm : link
is a much better game
RE: ACC Title game  
Mook80 : 12/4/2021 10:51 pm : link
In comment 15479857 shadow_spinner0 said:
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is a much better game


The first quarter was a joke how bad the defense was but ever since it's been pretty good. Not a lot of points after first like 17 minutes
Michigan can probably hand the ball off every time  
dpinzow : 12/4/2021 10:53 pm : link
at this point
My God Iowa calls a really pussified game on Offense  
montanagiant : 12/4/2021 10:54 pm : link
Should have switched QB's midway through the 2nd. Iowa will run on 2nd down without fail no matter the yardage
Linderbaum  
mittenedman : 12/4/2021 10:54 pm : link
is a beast at C. I'm bullish on Gates' return, but I'd still love to add Linderbaum. He really gets off the ball and he finishes. Good technique too.
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