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CFB Saturday: Huge day

montanagiant : 12/4/2021 10:41 am
Baylor vs OKS
Georgia vs Bama
Michigan vs Iowa
Cincy vs Houston
Pitt vs Wake Forest

Great day for College Football
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RE: RE: RE: RE: regardless if anyone  
outeiroj : 12/4/2021 11:03 pm : link
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believes that was a legit targeting call. Your not supposed to lower your head and lead with the crown and should have 100% been a penalty

also the michigan player is lucky he didn't cripple himself



that was in the realm of possibly crippling himself. He was coming up on Petrus and I don't think he was purposely trying to hit helmet to helmet. If the offensive player starts to duck his body down and all of a sudden his helmet is level with your helmet, that's incidental. And he just slightly lowered his helmet and absorbed the contact, it's not like he put his head down at a 90 degree angle and launched his body crown-first into his head-and-neck area. Again there was not forcible contact he just slightly put his head down and absorbed the hit. He didn't come up aiming for Petrus's head. Petrus started to go down and that's why suddenly he was facing helmet to helmet with him instead of helmet to chest.

Devil is in the details with these. That one just did not look "forcible" at all which is a part of the criteria required. No malicious intent.



2008 & Still Current (2008 NCAA Rulebook)

Initiating Contact/Targeting an Oppenent
1. No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul.

If you watch the play. The defender put his head down when closing in, your blind if you did not see his head go down. The rule specifically says, when in question it is a foul. It should have been called a foul on the initial play and not even needed to go to a review.

Also, I would challenge you to find a spinal specialist who would back your argument that you cannot get hurt with that form, regardless if your head is parallel with your spine, it is similar to being dropped directly on your head, and even if the defender had slowed down, he still has the momentum of 165 + lbs behind it



"No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet."

The point is he did not target Petrus with the crown of his helmet. It was incidental, and relatively mild. There was no forcible contact either (part of the specified criteria) like where he’d actually throw some weight behind his helmet in spearing the guy.

He was coming up to make a tackle, he was lower than Petrus, and Petrus was starting to go down so suddenly his helmet was in line with Petrus's helmet. I said in my last post: yes he lowered his helmet slightly, and I’m not defending that as IDEAL technique, but it’s like a 2 on the scale of 1-10 in terms dangerous technique as far as both he an Petrus are concerned. Go back and look. He didn't make contact directly with the top of the crown, it was an area in between the crown and the face-mask. He lowered it slightly and absorbed the incidental contact-- helmets literally collide on every single play and it's not like every single guy has his head perfectly up, but you want to just make sure you don’t literally have your facemask facing the ground, leading with all your weight behind the crown of your head (*shudder*). Compare that play to the ones where players actually get thrown out and you'll see why they didn't call the penalty there.

My guess is 1) the ref determined the helmet-to-helmet contact was incidental, not targeted, 2) it was not forcible contact (i.e. he didn’t throw his weight into the hit with the crown), and 3) he didn’t lower his helmet enough for call a penalty.

"he's lucky he didn't cripple himself"... "I suggest you speak to a spinal specialist" ... like what? So extreme, man. That thing you're talking about being "dropped directly on your head" is if he had literally threw his full body weight forward LEADING with the crown of his head down perpendicular to the ground. And put his full weight into the forcible contact with the crown. You're taking the fact that he lowered his helmet 2 centimeters to absorb INCIDENTAL contact and you're equating it with the most dreaded and dangerous tackling technique known to man.



feel free to go to youtube the live feed and rewind. At no point was he lower than Petrus. Your blind AF and most likely a michigan fan

I have zero dog in this fight and other than being a D1 college safety on a football scholarship who majored in sports medicine I really dont know what im talking about regarding how safe his tackle was :shrug:
Michigan blocked punt  
dpinzow : 12/4/2021 11:04 pm : link
they almost got to a couple of Iowa punts earlier
Hutchinson  
AcidTest : 12/4/2021 11:05 pm : link
is destroying the Iowa RT. His get off is fantastic.
Blocked  
AcidTest : 12/4/2021 11:05 pm : link
punt by Michigan.
TD Michigan  
dpinzow : 12/4/2021 11:09 pm : link
Haskins breaks the single season TD record for Michigan RBs with 20
woooo  
KDubbs : 12/4/2021 11:11 pm : link
it feels so nice to be a good team again!
Happy for the team  
GNewGiants : 12/4/2021 11:14 pm : link
They proved a lot of people wrong this year.

Harbaugh finally gets his. Everything after this is gravy.
RE: Hutchinson  
RCPhoenix : 12/4/2021 11:16 pm : link
In comment 15479869 AcidTest said:
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is destroying the Iowa RT. His get off is fantastic.


It’s even more impressive to see live in person (I’m at the game)
running a flea flicker  
Mook80 : 12/4/2021 11:23 pm : link
when Ferentz has waved the white flag by punting is shitty.

CFB playoff set  
dpinzow : 12/4/2021 11:27 pm : link
Alabama, Michigan, Georgia, Cincinnati
RE: running a flea flicker  
montanagiant : 12/4/2021 11:27 pm : link
In comment 15479880 Mook80 said:
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when Ferentz has waved the white flag by punting is shitty.

That's Harbaugh, he's a dickwad of the first degree
RE: CFB playoff set  
montanagiant : 12/4/2021 11:28 pm : link
In comment 15479884 dpinzow said:
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Alabama, Michigan, Georgia, Cincinnati

Michigan will be #1 followed by Bama, Cincy, and Georgia last
RE: RE: CFB playoff set  
dpinzow : 12/4/2021 11:29 pm : link
In comment 15479886 montanagiant said:
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Alabama, Michigan, Georgia, Cincinnati


Michigan will be #1 followed by Bama, Cincy, and Georgia last


I think Alabama will be #1

1. Alabama
2. Michigan
3. Georgia
4. Cincinnati
RE: RE: running a flea flicker  
Mook80 : 12/4/2021 11:29 pm : link
In comment 15479885 montanagiant said:
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when Ferentz has waved the white flag by punting is shitty.



That's Harbaugh, he's a dickwad of the first degree


I wouldnt even shake his hand if I'm ferentz after the game.

Iowa punting means no fucking flea flickers and deep shots. If a guy breaks a 3 yard pass for a touchdown or a long run, so be it. I know it's typical for Harbaugh. Total jerkoff
RE: RE: CFB playoff set  
Mook80 : 12/4/2021 11:31 pm : link
In comment 15479886 montanagiant said:
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Alabama, Michigan, Georgia, Cincinnati


Michigan will be #1 followed by Bama, Cincy, and Georgia last


Bama is going to be #1. 1 loss and beat the hell out of the #1 team in Georgia today. And they arent going to want Bama-Georgia semifinals if they make them #2.

If they make Michigan #1, they'll make Georgia 4, even though I dont think that happens.

I'd be shocked if they put Georgia-Bama in semis when they played today. They can easily make an argument for Bama to be #1 to avoid that.

Michigan is goingt o have to throw the ball very well to be in the game at the end against Georgia
RE: RE: RE: running a flea flicker  
MyNameIsMyName : 12/4/2021 11:31 pm : link
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when Ferentz has waved the white flag by punting is shitty.



That's Harbaugh, he's a dickwad of the first degree



I wouldnt even shake his hand if I'm ferentz after the game.

Iowa punting means no fucking flea flickers and deep shots. If a guy breaks a 3 yard pass for a touchdown or a long run, so be it. I know it's typical for Harbaugh. Total jerkoff


Imagine what Harbs would think of you? A POS loser. Take your L and stfu
Bama will be 1  
UConn4523 : 12/4/2021 11:32 pm : link
can’t reward Bama with playing Georgia again. Michigan should have to beat one of the SEC teams to make the finals. Cincy will have to go through 2 (or if Michigan wins their first game).
I just don't think they can jump Bama that high  
montanagiant : 12/4/2021 11:34 pm : link
Given the fact that teams ranked higher won their games.
RE: RE: RE: RE: running a flea flicker  
montanagiant : 12/4/2021 11:35 pm : link
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when Ferentz has waved the white flag by punting is shitty.



That's Harbaugh, he's a dickwad of the first degree



I wouldnt even shake his hand if I'm ferentz after the game.

Iowa punting means no fucking flea flickers and deep shots. If a guy breaks a 3 yard pass for a touchdown or a long run, so be it. I know it's typical for Harbaugh. Total jerkoff



Imagine what Harbs would think of you? A POS loser. Take your L and stfu

LMAO...My God, relax Francis
I don't know what Ferentz did to offend Harbaugh  
dpinzow : 12/4/2021 11:36 pm : link
with Harbaugh calling passes in a game that's already won
RE: I just don't think they can jump Bama that high  
Mook80 : 12/4/2021 11:37 pm : link
In comment 15479896 montanagiant said:
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Given the fact that teams ranked higher won their games.


But Bama beat the #1 team. It's easy to justify. Especially when both teams have 1 loss.

Either way however they are ranked Michigan is going to play Georgia. I know Michigan would much rather not have to play Georgia but they are going to play Georgia.

RE: I just don't think they can jump Bama that high  
UConn4523 : 12/4/2021 11:38 pm : link
In comment 15479896 montanagiant said:
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Given the fact that teams ranked higher won their games.


The gap in competition was massive though. Iowa is closer to the 25th best team than the #1 team in the country.
RE: I don't know what Ferentz did to offend Harbaugh  
GNewGiants : 12/4/2021 11:38 pm : link
In comment 15479898 dpinzow said:
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with Harbaugh calling passes in a game that's already won


Harbaugh has done this all year in blowouts with McCarthy to get him reps. This isn’t new.
Maybe Harbaugh thinks the more he wins by  
dpinzow : 12/4/2021 11:39 pm : link
the better a chance he has of being #1?
RE: I don't know what Ferentz did to offend Harbaugh  
Mook80 : 12/4/2021 11:39 pm : link
In comment 15479898 dpinzow said:
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with Harbaugh calling passes in a game that's already won


Harbaugh always has been and always will be a jerkoff.

Flea flicker up 25 in a game where Ferentz punted waving the white flag.

It's like Joel Klaat isnt even watching the game. "When you're just handing the football off like this its fair game"

Did he miss the 3rd and 4 throw from the 20 yard line into the endzone? Or the flea flicker on 1st down up 25?

It's a scumbag move from a scumbag coach. Great year but winning with class has never been a thing for him, all the way back to Stanford
RE: RE: I don't know what Ferentz did to offend Harbaugh  
Mook80 : 12/4/2021 11:40 pm : link
In comment 15479901 GNewGiants said:
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with Harbaugh calling passes in a game that's already won



Harbaugh has done this all year in blowouts with McCarthy to get him reps. This isn’t new.


And that explains a flea flicker with McNamara after Iowa's white flag punt?

He's playing Georgia no matter what he does
you domers  
KDubbs : 12/4/2021 11:41 pm : link
are so unlikeable.
RE: RE: I just don't think they can jump Bama that high  
Mook80 : 12/4/2021 11:41 pm : link
In comment 15479900 UConn4523 said:
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Given the fact that teams ranked higher won their games.



The gap in competition was massive though. Iowa is closer to the 25th best team than the #1 team in the country.


Iowa is closer to the 50th team in the country than they are the #1 team
RE: RE: RE: running a flea flicker  
Leg of Theismann : 12/4/2021 11:41 pm : link
In comment 15479889 Mook80 said:
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when Ferentz has waved the white flag by punting is shitty.



That's Harbaugh, he's a dickwad of the first degree



I wouldnt even shake his hand if I'm ferentz after the game.

Iowa punting means no fucking flea flickers and deep shots. If a guy breaks a 3 yard pass for a touchdown or a long run, so be it. I know it's typical for Harbaugh. Total jerkoff


I mean considering the CFP committee basically takes style points isnd margin of victory etc into consideration how can you blame him? If you don’t want this typa shit then don’t have a system where the playoff teams are voted on by humans. He’s doing this just in case 42-3 is enough to make the difference in the final standings— He wants to be #1 in the country and play Cinci instead of Georgia. Who wouldn’t do everything in their power to make that happen.

And I don’t know what this talk or “he waved the white flag” … he punted because he knew they were going to get the first down because their offense is abysmal and he saw that as being the best way to save face and maybe limit the final score to less of a blowout. Lol you presented that as though he was doing some generous favor to Harbaugh.
I’m not saying it’s right  
GNewGiants : 12/4/2021 11:42 pm : link
But this is nothing against Iowa. He has thrown the ball with McCarthy all year in blow outs.
I don't think ND fans can complain about Harbaugh being a douche  
dpinzow : 12/4/2021 11:42 pm : link
when they had Brian Kelly as their coach for the last 13 years. That's kind of rich to me
RE: I don't think ND fans can complain about Harbaugh being a douche  
Mook80 : 12/4/2021 11:43 pm : link
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when they had Brian Kelly as their coach for the last 13 years. That's kind of rich to me


Kelly has been a douche at times, sure. But he's never done shit like this running the score up. Had many many chances to do so over 12 years
Kelly  
Mook80 : 12/4/2021 11:46 pm : link
also became a lot more calm in the last 5 years, and regardless as much of a douche as he was at times he didn't ever compare to Harbaugh.

Harbaugh was running up the score tonight for no reason. They are playing Georgia no matter what
The one thing this showed  
GNewGiants : 12/4/2021 11:49 pm : link
Was that the Big 10 is so one division heavy that the big 10 title game is not as fun as it should be.

Michigan
OSU
MSU
And even PSU (cliffords injury against Iowa derailed their season)

Are the top 4 teams by far in the conference and they’re in the same division.
Bama  
Mook80 : 12/4/2021 11:50 pm : link
believes Metchie has a torn ACL. Big loss for them and hate to hear that for Metchie. Good player and to get hurt right befor ethe playoff just sucks
the big 10 title  
Mook80 : 12/4/2021 11:51 pm : link
game is a joke most years because the other half of the division might as well be the minor leagues. Doesn't seem like they're ever going to fix that issue but the division Iowa is in is worthless
RE: RE: I don't think ND fans can complain about Harbaugh being a douche  
dpinzow : 12/4/2021 11:52 pm : link
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when they had Brian Kelly as their coach for the last 13 years. That's kind of rich to me



Kelly has been a douche at times, sure. But he's never done shit like this running the score up. Had many many chances to do so over 12 years


I think Kelly was a real douche leaving ND and his players who played their butts off for him all season for $95 million at LSU when they still had a reasonable shot to make the playoff
RE: Bama  
Leg of Theismann : 12/4/2021 11:53 pm : link
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believes Metchie has a torn ACL. Big loss for them and hate to hear that for Metchie. Good player and to get hurt right befor ethe playoff just sucks


Damn… that fucking sucks. Really sorry to hear that for him smh
Won’t happen  
Joe Beckwith : 12/4/2021 11:54 pm : link
But I’d love to see The Committee playoff order:
Michigan
Alabama
Georgia
Cincinnati.

RE: the big 10 title  
dpinzow : 12/4/2021 11:54 pm : link
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game is a joke most years because the other half of the division might as well be the minor leagues. Doesn't seem like they're ever going to fix that issue but the division Iowa is in is worthless


The Big 10 West needs a strong Nebraska team, otherwise it'll always be pretty weak. With a terrible Nebraska, there's no true national power in the West. Wisconsin is the closest to that, but they're probably a rung below the top teams
RE: RE: RE: I don't think ND fans can complain about Harbaugh being a douche  
Leg of Theismann : 12/4/2021 11:56 pm : link
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when they had Brian Kelly as their coach for the last 13 years. That's kind of rich to me



Kelly has been a douche at times, sure. But he's never done shit like this running the score up. Had many many chances to do so over 12 years



I think Kelly was a real douche leaving ND and his players who played their butts off for him all season for $95 million at LSU when they still had a reasonable shot to make the playoff


I’m not even an ND fan but I was imagining like what if they made the playoff and actually ended up winning the championship? Would Kelly have even gotten a ring? I mean not that it matters it still would’ve been ultra embarrassing for him to have bailed on a team that then went on to win a title considering one of the main reasons he left was to have a chance to win a title lmao (well and for money Of course)
Hutchinson  
GNewGiants : 12/4/2021 11:58 pm : link
Should be in NY. He wont win but deserves to sit at the table.
New Years Six bowls  
dpinzow : 12/5/2021 12:05 am : link
Pittsburgh (ACC)
Baylor (Big 12)
Utah (Pac 12)

Best guesses at the at larges:

Notre Dame
Ohio State
Ole Miss
Oklahoma State
Michigan State
RE: RE: RE: I don't think ND fans can complain about Harbaugh being a douche  
Mook80 : 12/5/2021 12:10 am : link
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when they had Brian Kelly as their coach for the last 13 years. That's kind of rich to me



Kelly has been a douche at times, sure. But he's never done shit like this running the score up. Had many many chances to do so over 12 years



I think Kelly was a real douche leaving ND and his players who played their butts off for him all season for $95 million at LSU when they still had a reasonable shot to make the playoff


The early signing period and the way things are set up in college football means you will have shit like this happen. I dont blame him for that and think ND will be better off in the long run because i think he got them as far as he was capable. Not being a recruiter really at all was Kelly's major flaw and likely what has prevented them from taking the next step.

The timing of it is shitty but I blame it more on the early signing period than anything. If you're going to leave you pretty much have to do it before the bowl games
Michigan scored 42  
ajr2456 : 12/5/2021 12:10 am : link
Same number one of the shooting victims wore.
RE: Michigan scored 42  
RCPhoenix : 12/5/2021 12:13 am : link
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Same number one of the shooting victims wore.


That is something
RE: Hutchinson  
RCPhoenix : 12/5/2021 12:13 am : link
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Should be in NY. He wont win but deserves to sit at the table.


He will
RE: Bama  
Mike in NY : 12/5/2021 7:16 am : link
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believes Metchie has a torn ACL. Big loss for them and hate to hear that for Metchie. Good player and to get hurt right befor ethe playoff just sucks


That sucks for them. I loved watching Metchie’s feel for the game. Whenever Young was struggling to find someone, he always had a way of finding soft spot in his line of site.
My final top 10  
jeff57 : 12/5/2021 7:20 am : link
Alabama
Michigan
Georgia
Cincinnati
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Baylor
Mississippi
Michigan State
Pitt
Although I am  
section125 : 12/5/2021 7:27 am : link
a ND fan, it is probably good for them to miss out on the CFP and just get a New Years Day bowl game. They will end up #5 which is outstanding for what was regarded as a re-build year. As well as they played in the final half season, I do not think they are close to the top 4(well maybe Cinncy).

IMV:
#1 Michigan
#2 Alabama
#3 Georgia
#4 Cincinnati

But I am sure CFP wants a Georgia/Alabama rematch so I will bet 'Bama jumps Michigan to #1. But as well as Michigan is playing and as exposed as Georgia was last night, it would not surprise me to see Michigan beat Georgia.
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