Jones will have a cap hit of ~8M next year, fully guaranteed. The only way to realize a cap savings on Jones is to trade him before his roster bonus of 3.2 is due (presumably the first day of the league year).
That would save the Giants about 4M (roster bonus + salary), with a dead cap hit of 4M.
That is still less than the dead cap hit of Golden tate. Hold your nose; pay; and move on.
RE: this offseason the giants will be looking for a new OC
the coaches and front office should go and get a quarterback they think can excel in whatever that system is. i don't particularly want garopallo (certainly not for 20+ million a year), and he seems like a douchebag, but he can't possibly be worse than jones.
i think jones should be gone either way. in 3 years he's only demonstrated that can't throw touchdowns unless he's turning the ball over at a record clip, and has also shown that he can't stay healthy for more than 9-10 games in a row.
but sadly, even if the coaches want jones gone, i could see the meddlesome and clueless owner blocking it.
Are you blind? You must not watch the games. Who is going to survive with OL ?
RE: RE: this offseason the giants will be looking for a new OC
the coaches and front office should go and get a quarterback they think can excel in whatever that system is. i don't particularly want garopallo (certainly not for 20+ million a year), and he seems like a douchebag, but he can't possibly be worse than jones.
i think jones should be gone either way. in 3 years he's only demonstrated that can't throw touchdowns unless he's turning the ball over at a record clip, and has also shown that he can't stay healthy for more than 9-10 games in a row.
but sadly, even if the coaches want jones gone, i could see the meddlesome and clueless owner blocking it.
Are you blind? You must not watch the games. Who is going to survive with OL ?
No one is man but you have to start somewhere. So we should start it at the line--even though the key position is already in place Thomas-- and just leave Jones in at the most important position and hope something falls into our lao at a later time? I get it you like Jones too bad he sucks.
Can he take a hit. Jimmy G cannot. He is brittle and our O line will break him.
It's not going to be the same o line. We obviously need to trade away some of this dead weight on defense. Bradberry, Jackson, Dex Lawrence, Peppers; not to mention offense Jones / Barkley. With that and the 2 1st round picks you should see some improvement in the oline and Jimmy G can get some protection.
Build the line before considering a new qb. Picking up jones 5th year option at 21mm isn’t a bad option at all. It’s not 35 or 40 it’s 21. It’s lower tier starter money. Build the line give jones another year or even 2 to prove he’s the guy behind a better OL. After year 5 go ahead and draft a qb or sign a free agent if you feel jones isn’t a right fit. At that point in time we’ll have cap space and theoretically a good OL. If you don’t pick up an option and he has a good year you’ll have to either lock him up to a big deal or franchise tag him going to the Dak route.
RE: RE: LOL give me a break, Jones is a better QB then he is for sure
Oh OK. You love hearing about Darnold Mr. Know-it-all Uconn... Guess who else is playing with a bottom 5 offensive line...yea you guessed it S Darnold. Does he get another chance?
Build the line before considering a new qb. Picking up jones 5th year option at 21mm isn’t a bad option at all. It’s not 35 or 40 it’s 21. It’s lower tier starter money. Build the line give jones another year or even 2 to prove he’s the guy behind a better OL. After year 5 go ahead and draft a qb or sign a free agent if you feel jones isn’t a right fit. At that point in time we’ll have cap space and theoretically a good OL. If you don’t pick up an option and he has a good year you’ll have to either lock him up to a big deal or franchise tag him going to the Dak route.
pff. I'd rather just start Glennon for a year or two. He's had far fewer starts than Jones and is a lot cheaper of a stop gap as long as we are convinced no one can do anything behind this line anyway. This was Jones prove it year. And thus far all it was was a continuation of last year ; which by everyone's admission was a disappointment. What has changed? Where was Jones big leap? jones is a waste at 20 mil since no one can do anything anyway and he is a waste of QB if this line is improved and we're stuck with a bad QB. Which is what Jones is a bad QB. Either way I hope he played his last game as a Giant.
Jones will have a cap hit of ~8M next year, fully guaranteed. The only way to realize a cap savings on Jones is to trade him before his roster bonus of 3.2 is due (presumably the first day of the league year).
That would save the Giants about 4M (roster bonus + salary), with a dead cap hit of 4M.
That is still less than the dead cap hit of Golden tate. Hold your nose; pay; and move on.
The Giants saved money by cutting Tate, the Giants save no money by cutting Jones.
There’s no incentive to cut him this offseason, and they will not.
He might get traded. If it’s before his roster bonus is paid, they save about 4M, but even if it’s after they save about 1M.
That would save the Giants about 4M (roster bonus + salary), with a dead cap hit of 4M.
That is still less than the dead cap hit of Golden tate. Hold your nose; pay; and move on.
the coaches and front office should go and get a quarterback they think can excel in whatever that system is. i don't particularly want garopallo (certainly not for 20+ million a year), and he seems like a douchebag, but he can't possibly be worse than jones.
i think jones should be gone either way. in 3 years he's only demonstrated that can't throw touchdowns unless he's turning the ball over at a record clip, and has also shown that he can't stay healthy for more than 9-10 games in a row.
but sadly, even if the coaches want jones gone, i could see the meddlesome and clueless owner blocking it.
Are you blind? You must not watch the games. Who is going to survive with OL ?
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who will have a new system.
the coaches and front office should go and get a quarterback they think can excel in whatever that system is. i don't particularly want garopallo (certainly not for 20+ million a year), and he seems like a douchebag, but he can't possibly be worse than jones.
i think jones should be gone either way. in 3 years he's only demonstrated that can't throw touchdowns unless he's turning the ball over at a record clip, and has also shown that he can't stay healthy for more than 9-10 games in a row.
but sadly, even if the coaches want jones gone, i could see the meddlesome and clueless owner blocking it.
Are you blind? You must not watch the games. Who is going to survive with OL ?
No one is man but you have to start somewhere. So we should start it at the line--even though the key position is already in place Thomas-- and just leave Jones in at the most important position and hope something falls into our lao at a later time? I get it you like Jones too bad he sucks.
Not really Jones is done in my view either way. You are looking at a 6th for him or nothing; which is almost the same as nothing.
Let's hope Judge isn't on this team next year.
It's not going to be the same o line. We obviously need to trade away some of this dead weight on defense. Bradberry, Jackson, Dex Lawrence, Peppers; not to mention offense Jones / Barkley. With that and the 2 1st round picks you should see some improvement in the oline and Jimmy G can get some protection.
It has to be part of the discussion. He has missed time every year so far. Same with Jimmy G
Just imagine the patriots ... why should we draft Drew Bledsoe ; what will he do on this shitty patriots team that will never win anything anyway.
Look people you have to start somewhere and a QB change and a GM retirement/firing whatever is a good place to do it.
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Based on what, exactly?
Jones is a bottom 5 starter in the NFL.
With a bottom 5 offensive line
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Based on what, exactly?
Jones is a bottom 5 starter in the NFL.
With a bottom 5 offensive line
Oh OK. You love hearing about Darnold Mr. Know-it-all Uconn... Guess who else is playing with a bottom 5 offensive line...yea you guessed it S Darnold. Does he get another chance?
pff. I'd rather just start Glennon for a year or two. He's had far fewer starts than Jones and is a lot cheaper of a stop gap as long as we are convinced no one can do anything behind this line anyway. This was Jones prove it year. And thus far all it was was a continuation of last year ; which by everyone's admission was a disappointment. What has changed? Where was Jones big leap? jones is a waste at 20 mil since no one can do anything anyway and he is a waste of QB if this line is improved and we're stuck with a bad QB. Which is what Jones is a bad QB. Either way I hope he played his last game as a Giant.
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Jones will have a cap hit of ~8M next year, fully guaranteed. The only way to realize a cap savings on Jones is to trade him before his roster bonus of 3.2 is due (presumably the first day of the league year).
That would save the Giants about 4M (roster bonus + salary), with a dead cap hit of 4M.
That is still less than the dead cap hit of Golden tate. Hold your nose; pay; and move on.
The Giants saved money by cutting Tate, the Giants save no money by cutting Jones.
There’s no incentive to cut him this offseason, and they will not.
He might get traded. If it’s before his roster bonus is paid, they save about 4M, but even if it’s after they save about 1M.