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QB Fake Slide Should Be Made Illegal

M.S. : 12/5/2021 6:55 am

Watching Kenny Pickett's fake slide for a 58-yard TD run got me thinking about this.

The entire reason for allowing QBs to slide was to protect them. The rule FORCES defenders to pull up in order to avoid contact.

Faking a slide just subverts the rule, taking advantage of a defender trying to adhere to the rule. Should be a penalty IMO.


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Yes it should be  
section125 : 12/5/2021 7:01 am : link
a PF 15 yarder and loss of down.
No question,  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 12/5/2021 7:14 am : link
total bullshit.
Agreed. That and intentional grounding  
ScottinMA : 12/5/2021 7:26 am : link
I am not a big college fan but I watched. Alabama and Auburn last week. Twice on Alabamas game tiring drive Bryce Young threw the ball no where near anyone as he was about to be sacked.
I am surprised  
Boatie Warrant : 12/5/2021 7:31 am : link
Belichick doesn't have his QBs doing it on the regular. He loves the grey area of the rules.

On another note. If I am taking a QB this draft Pickett would be the guy.
Agreed  
Daniel in Kentucky : 12/5/2021 7:32 am : link
That should not be allowed.
I thought the rule was  
bradshaw44 : 12/5/2021 7:36 am : link
The QB is down at the point where he begins to slide. Wouldn’t that mean if they fake slide, it doesn’t matter, because he’s down as soon as he begins to pretend?
RE: I am surprised  
Mike in NY : 12/5/2021 7:38 am : link
In comment 15480001 Boatie Warrant said:
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Belichick doesn't have his QBs doing it on the regular. He loves the grey area of the rules.

On another note. If I am taking a QB this draft Pickett would be the guy.


I would prefer trading up to end of Round 1 to select Ridder. I see more upside with him than Pickett.
I don’t know about illegal  
cjac : 12/5/2021 7:53 am : link
But he should have been ruled down at the spot he started the slide
RE: I don’t know about illegal  
markky : 12/5/2021 7:58 am : link
In comment 15480017 cjac said:
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But he should have been ruled down at the spot he started the slide


yes, the refs should have blown the whistle and ruled him down since he gave himself up.
Either way and I don't necessarily disagree with the OP  
pjcas18 : 12/5/2021 8:42 am : link
but running that fast and being able to fake a slide in stride and not lose speed was pretty impressive.

Im going to other way on this one.  
SteelGiant : 12/5/2021 8:45 am : link
I would rather revert the dumb rule of protecting the QB after the line of scrimmage. It should be a simple as that. We should protect QBs behind the line of scrimmage, but I ce you scramble and pass the line, there should be no difference between any player on the field. At that moment you should be consider a runner.

The rule being the same for all, you can give yourself up at any time with a knee or elbow on the ground, but until you put yourself on the ground, you can be hit.

Why do we have to make everything more complicated?

This debate would go on forever, when does a slide start? What action that Pickett did that makes you think he is sliding? I am not disagreeing that is what happened but I just don't see how you can clearly define the exact motion that means downs.

It means we should not be pentalizong players for hitting people who are going to slide. Going to slide is not sliding. Intent should not be in rules. Any rule should be based on factual physical evidence.
I agree with  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/5/2021 8:51 am : link
OP.
This is no different than the intent of out of bounds  
SteelGiant : 12/5/2021 8:59 am : link
What about players who look like they are going out of bounds but instead turn it up field at the last second?

Defenders pull up from hitting them because they see the intention of the runner and don't want to get a penalty for hitting them near the sideline.

The protect rules are just dumb.

I understand not hitting defenseless players, I understand not spearing players with helmets.

But rules that protections on intentions will never work and will always create more contraversy.

Agree, Mahomes has mastered it  
ZogZerg : 12/5/2021 9:00 am : link
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Saw Joe Montana fake  
section125 : 12/5/2021 9:39 am : link
going OB vs the Giants after getting a 15yder for out of bounds hit earlier in the game. Safety(Percy Ellsworth) pulled up and then Montana turned up field for another huge chunk of yardage.
As far as late hit OB, there is a one yard stripe on the sideline, contact past that should be PF. In it, no. Play is often to fast for a defender to pull up.
Seems such an obvious flaunting of the rule  
BillT : 12/5/2021 9:41 am : link
I hadn’t seen guys do this before but it needs to be addressed. Either he’s down or defender should be able to hit guys during the slide. Can’t have it both ways.
If they allow the QB to fake a slide, which is a rule in place to  
PatersonPlank : 12/5/2021 9:58 am : link
protect the QB, then they should do away with the protection and let the defenders pop the QB is he crosses the LOS. You can't have it both ways.
Agreed. My first thought was  
Matt M. : 12/5/2021 10:06 am : link
how is that allowed? My second thought was I have noclue what the college rule is.

But, a poster a couple of posts above makes a good point also. A rule with I te t is problematic. Just as easily as you can view that as intent to slide from the defender's perspective, you can say his intent was never to slide. You can't be protected outside the pocket and then manipulate that protection as a runner.

The problem with the suggestion  
robbieballs2003 : 12/5/2021 10:12 am : link
Is that it isn't black and white. You are leaving it up to the refs to interpret what the QB was thinking. I hate grey area rules. I agree that the QB being able to give himself up without getting touched is the mai problem. Too many QBs slide at the last possible millisecond and defenders get charged with an illegal hit. Fuck that. You want to protect a QB in the pocket then fine. But if that QB wants to act like a RB then he becomes a RB.
RE: This is no different than the intent of out of bounds  
M.S. : 12/5/2021 10:25 am : link
In comment 15480064 SteelGiant said:
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What about players who look like they are going out of bounds but instead turn it up field at the last second?

Defenders pull up from hitting them because they see the intention of the runner and don't want to get a penalty for hitting them near the sideline.

The protect rules are just dumb.

I understand not hitting defenseless players, I understand not spearing players with helmets.

But rules that protections on intentions will never work and will always create more contraversy.

Interesting analogy, but I think there's an important distinction. A player anywhere near the sideline can get blasted (so long as they are not obviously out-of-bounds.) But you can't blast a QB about to go into his slide.
Penalize...  
JohnG in Albany : 12/5/2021 10:30 am : link
the fake slide.

It seems like obvious change that should be made.
RE: Im going to other way on this one.  
jhibb : 12/5/2021 10:33 am : link
In comment 15480053 SteelGiant said:
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I would rather revert the dumb rule of protecting the QB after the line of scrimmage. It should be a simple as that. We should protect QBs behind the line of scrimmage, but I ce you scramble and pass the line, there should be no difference between any player on the field. At that moment you should be consider a runner.


I'm pretty sure that's already the case. The sliding rule pertains to any runner, not just a running QB. It's just that QBs are usually the only ones that slide. It's rare to see other runners do it other than near end of game situations like after a turnover or if a player gets a first down and wants to give themselves up in bounds so they can run out the clock.

I'm actually a little surprised that we don't see it more often by other players at this point.
RE: I thought the rule was  
KeoweeFan : 12/5/2021 10:40 am : link
In comment 15480004 bradshaw44 said:
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The QB is down at the point where he begins to slide. Wouldn’t that mean if they fake slide, it doesn’t matter, because he’s down as soon as he begins to pretend?

THIS!
RE: I am surprised  
GeofromNJ : 12/5/2021 10:50 am : link
In comment 15480001 Boatie Warrant said:
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On another note. If I am taking a QB this draft Pickett would be the guy.

Agreed. My guess is, the Lions will draft him.
RE: RE: I am surprised  
PatersonPlank : 12/5/2021 11:06 am : link
In comment 15480162 GeofromNJ said:
[quote] In comment 15480001 Boatie Warrant said:


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On another note. If I am taking a QB this draft Pickett would be the guy.


Agreed. My guess is, the Lions will draft him. [/quote

+2. He'd be my top choice too. He has all the tools, good size, but with QB's you never really know.
If the NFL really wanted to protect QBs  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/5/2021 11:07 am : link
they should not penalize intentional grounding.
It was a blown call  
widmerseyebrow : 12/5/2021 11:13 am : link
Rule says he's down when he starts the slide.
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