Lot of talk about if the Giants choose to end the DJ era we should try trading him for whatever we can get and bring in a stop gap FA QB and/or work the draft for whoever is worth it.
What teams are in the QB market in 2022 and who do you think would trade assets for DJ? What kind of return would you expect he will fetch, and what would you be happy with?
I think he might have a higher end backup value with some untapped upside appeal to some GM with a glimmer in his eye. But not sure what the going rate is for that recently? Mid round pick?
But then you have the Eagles making hay on the likes of AJ Feeley, Nick Foles, and the Jets and Arizona with Rosen and Darnold. So who knows.
Holy smokes...
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and he would net multiple first round picks.
Holy smokes...
He’s joking lol, or he’s DG.
But they should be shopping him.
One thing BBI (painting with a broad brush) routinely overestimates is the tradability of Giants players.
There's not going to be much of a market. The return for the Giants will be jettisoning of his guaranteed salary. For me, that's the main reason to trade him, in combination with drafting a QB, or planning a tank year (which I don't think is a likely considered option). It's possible that Giants go all in on trading for a vet (a stupid move, considering the state of the team), making him an excess commodity. Picking up a FA vet means tank or tread water for a year.
Bottom line, he won't be traded because we'll get much in return. Don't expect much in return.
But they should be shopping him.
WFT currently has a more productive, cheaper, smarter, and less injured QB in taylor heinicke. rivera loves him. no way i n hell they'd trade for jones.
I think a 2nd and conditional performance based mid-rounder could be found, say a 4th that becomes a 3rd. But IMO the 2nd is enough. You can probably get a 3rd for Barkley as well, and that would a new GM a lot of ammo.
I think the Saints are the most realistic. He’s got what Payton likes in his ability to run and he is a better passer than Hill. And I think Payton will get much more out of him then Judge/Garett.
I think a 2nd and conditional performance based mid-rounder could be found, say a 4th that becomes a 3rd. But IMO the 2nd is enough. You can probably get a 3rd for Barkley as well, and that would a new GM a lot of ammo.
I don’t think we’d get a 2nd. History of recent draft misses at QBs linger in GMs minds like Rosen and Darnold. Their is a real steep value depreciation on QBs given nearing the end of the rookie contract. My guess is maybe a 4th or 5th from a team that has some compensatory picks.
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Not a huge market but I could see the Saints trading for him and then we could see Jones break out under Sean Payton because it appears that every QB does.
I think the Saints are the most realistic. He’s got what Payton likes in his ability to run and he is a better passer than Hill. And I think Payton will get much more out of him then Judge/Garett.
Saints and Payton especially want Russell Wilson. Payton doesn’t want reclamation projects at this juncture and they locked in Hill as a jack of all trades backup and Swiss Army knife for next year or two. Payton would be more likely to bring Teddy Bridgewater back if he shaked loose again as a back up.
I keep thinking of Alex Smith, who was stuck in 49er hell for first few years...but excelled under Harbaurgh. Traded to KC and was really good until Mahomes got everyone's attention
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His running ability puts him in line with the direction the position has been headed the last few years. Someone (and it only takes one) is likely to view the teams deficiencies as being the cause of his struggles rather than one of the contributing factors.
I think a 2nd and conditional performance based mid-rounder could be found, say a 4th that becomes a 3rd. But IMO the 2nd is enough. You can probably get a 3rd for Barkley as well, and that would a new GM a lot of ammo.
I don’t think we’d get a 2nd. History of recent draft misses at QBs linger in GMs minds like Rosen and Darnold. Their is a real steep value depreciation on QBs given nearing the end of the rookie contract. My guess is maybe a 4th or 5th from a team that has some compensatory picks.
It's still a premium position and anyone trading for him would be looking for a starter. The entry price for that is a 2. He'll even Darnold netted a 2/4/6. Jones has been marginally better in his first 3 years, I think a 2 is your starting point.
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I keep thinking of Alex Smith, who was stuck in 49er hell for first few years...but excelled under Harbaurgh. Traded to KC and was really good until Mahomes got everyone's attention
Alex Smith was a better QB than Jones from the get go and got better. He didn't stare down receivers and could read defenses. Jones isn't in Smith's class and never will be. If someone would give up a 4th for Jones and/or a 4th or 5th for Barkley, the Giants should take and RUN.
He’s a guy who can’t stay on the field, leads the league in turnovers per game since coming into the league and no longer throughs TDs passes or produces in the red zone. Oh, and he’ll be needing a contract soon too.
Sure, there’s “reasons” and excuses for everything with him and maybe somehow he turns it around in the 4th year but I can’t see any other team paying a real asset to try and make it happen.
I’d still keep him around next year but maybe add a little bit of depth to the position. We have 2 3rds. Maybe there is a QB prospect there they like or even in the 4th or 5th round. See if Fromm looks promising. Top priority for me is to add stud talent along the lines this off-season in the draft even with we have to stick with Jones another year.
History says otherwise. Trying to hard to sound smart and it isn’t working.
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I keep thinking of Alex Smith, who was stuck in 49er hell for first few years...but excelled under Harbaurgh. Traded to KC and was really good until Mahomes got everyone's attention
Alex Smith was a better QB than Jones from the get go and got better. He didn't stare down receivers and could read defenses. Jones isn't in Smith's class and never will be. If someone would give up a 4th for Jones and/or a 4th or 5th for Barkley, the Giants should take and RUN.
this.
the smith comparisons are ridiculous.
another ridiculous comparison is to cousins. go look at cousins' numbers. he's worlds better than jones, has been from the get-go, and it's not particularly close.
i'd be absolutely shocked if the giants could get a 2nd for jones.
you can't realistically use darnold as a comparison. carolina's trade for darnold will go down as an example of exactly what NOT to do with QBs.
it's also debatable just how much better than darnold jones actually is. through 11 games this year jones has 10 TDs and 7 INTs, and 3 fumbles lost. you can absolutely get that kind of production from any marginal journeyman.
Given the glut of picks the Giants have in 2022 — I think the most wise trade package would be for 2023 picks. I think the Giants could get a 2023 2nd, that transfers to a first if he hits incentives that prove he’s a top end starter.
Fair point. Conversely I hope the Giants find a QB that can read a defense, go through normal progressions, and execute a basic slide when the situation warrants.
Two way street my friend.
Agree on the neck situation. But you need a comp and the Darnold comp makes a lot of sense - highly drafted QB, inconsistent QB with lows and highs, and it was less than a year ago.
Given the glut of picks the Giants have in 2022 — I think the most wise trade package would be for 2023 picks. I think the Giants could get a 2023 2nd, that transfers to a first if he hits incentives that prove he’s a top end starter.
I’d love that trade outcome.
This is my sense as well… But as others have said, all it takes is one.
watching the game high, are you...
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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Should be comparable to what Darnold netted.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Nice post, adds a lot. At least own up to shit which you’ve never done with Darnold.
Darnold had the superior pedigree (higher pick, hyped for much longer than Jones was heading into the draft) but I think Jones has had the better NFL performance so far. I thought CAR was dumb for making the CAR trade, I think the return for Jones would be lower.
Darnold had the superior pedigree (higher pick, hyped for much longer than Jones was heading into the draft) but I think Jones has had the better NFL performance so far. I thought CAR was dumb for making the CAR trade, I think the return for Jones would be lower.
Dumb for making the Darnold trade*
Comp to Darnold is unlikely even though Jones is better. 1 - That was a really bad trade. 2 - Darnold had much better pedigree - he was a high profile prospect who played well in big games in college. That kind of shine can linger. Jones is none of those things.