Stating the obvious, Dave Gettleman has been a disaster

In comment 15481964 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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I'd argue he's the worst hire in Giants history.

At least Reese knew impact player talent when he saw it.

until Ross came around. That’s when we suddenly got soft and were drafting these herculean looking non football players too. Both deserve blame but be sunk Reese IMO.

Their picks complemented each other well. Reese on his own...not so much.

1) Hog mollies - This OL is no better than 4 years ago and may be worse.

2) Barkley - #2 pick in the draft who is essentially done here

3) Jones - #6 pick in the draft and no closer to knowing what we have in him.

Sadly, all 3 are linked together, but they are enough to summarize his 4 years here. And no more about giving him a chance to rebuild. There isn't a single player on the roster that was here before he got here. This is his fucking team. He built it 100%. He should be fired right now. He hasn't earned the right to "retire" after the season. The Giants need to start seriously searching for his replacement now.

And Abrams nor anyone else currently in the organization should even be considered for the job. Not a token interview. Nothing. Most, if not all of the scouting and personnel office should be gone. The new GM should have free reign.

In comment 15481962 Anakim said:

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You're right. He accomplished more than Layden did because he did win two Super Bowls. But Reese was awful in every other season. Flowers and Eli Apple in the top-10? Are you fucking kidding me? There's a reason why Mr. 2 Super Bowls hasn't gotten a GM job since.

The Giants didn’t have a losing season in Reese’s first six seasons as GM,

The back half of his tenure was bad, but the first 6 years was well executed.

Hired Judge..
And that's the disaster.
I don't think the talent is that bad.

We have to ask that question. He's the constant in the sucking, not Gettleman. Things have gotten worse with Gettleman, but this team sucked before Gettleman took over.

In comment 15482001 widmerseyebrow said:

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Their picks complemented each other well. Reese on his own...not so much.

Reese ran Accorsi’s drafts for several years before 2007, and was the lead college talent evaluator. He was a big part of Accorsi building that team.

Then do the complete opposite. He has failed building the O-line. The defensive front seven is also not very good. Can't wait till he's gone. I'm not very confident the Maras will hire a capable successor. Please no Abrams.

He has been a complete failure since day 1! Anyone that signs Glennon as their backup QB to a questionable Daniel Jones, is just looking to fail.. Period. Giants had a chance to pickup Minshew as much as the Eagles?! But yet the better Organization with a better GM did! you can see the results. Thought Minshew was a good QB, starter quality. To get him as a backup? Your winning! That's what good GM's and Org's do! Not the Giants... of course not! You hire an inept GM, and a horrible coaching staff in which the OC has already let go?? You are looking to fail. They have been making mistakes after mistakes!! Wasted tons of money on what?? They had an excellent Safety in McKinney and did nothing with him until someone got injured?? Heck they signed more DB's instead???!

Look at this years draft?? Ignored drafting 2 excellent Olinemen which are doing amazing and are starting for their teams, or a LB in Parsons?? Instead picked up a known injury prone WR in the draft, after already investing tons of money on another injury prone player in Galloday?!!!! Smdh??? The Owners have not done anything to help either. Their gutless, spineless, I'm to gentle & loyal to fire attitude has ruined this Franchise.. It's a mess. not worth rooting for right now.

Let's see how many clowns on this thread loved the signing.

In comment 15481962 Anakim said:

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Are you fucking kidding me? There's a reason why Mr. 2 Super Bowls hasn't gotten a GM job since.

There've been articles about this. This is from Garafolo.
https://www.nfl.com/news/former-giants-gm-jerry-reese-interviews-for-jaguars-vacant-gm-job-while-other-te

To find a worse GM than Reese. I shouldn’t have doubted Mara and Tisch

Posted on here a couple weeks ago. The problem is Chris Mara!!!

Gettleman is a symptom of a much larger underlying issues, which is that this organization is utterly lost in the modern NFL without the slightest understanding of how to get out of this tailspin. I expect Mara to go back to the good ol boys network with the next hire and that GM to be a disaster as well, unless a third party steps in.

All you need to know is when you pick a running back at 2 and follow that up by drafting a qb in the weakest class in some time after scouting him at an exhibition game, depicts how utterly broken the process is.

Start a go find me and put up billboards FIRE CHRIS MARA!!

Barkley pick wasn’t goi long to work out, Jones was picked too high and picking or signing skill players before the OL was fixed was not going to work out.

Point is, I’m not sure what Gettleman was thinking. If nothing else he’s been doing this stuff for a while. With all the high end picks he’s had he should have been able to put together a decent team throwing darts at a draft board.

In comment 15482089 afann said:

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Start a go find me and put up billboards FIRE CHRIS MARA!!

I still laugh out loud when folks think all will be right if we just fired Chris Mara.

In comment 15481903 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 15481896 AcidTest said: Quote: incredible. They actually hired a GM who has been much worse than Reese and Ross. One of the first things Gettleman did of course was to fire Ross. Let's not romanticize Ross. He was atrocious too.

Agreed.

Gettleman has basically ruined two organizations with RB picks.

His parting gift in Carolina was picking CMC. Now that is falling apart.

And when he arrived here, Gettleman's first draft decision was taking SB, who means absolutely NOTHING to this offense right now. NOTHING.

...and arguably made only one good pick, Julian Love.

The 2018 and 2019 drafts have been catastrophically bad.

In comment 15481999 GiantTuff1 said:

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until Ross came around. That’s when we suddenly got soft and were drafting these herculean looking non football players too. Both deserve blame but be sunk Reese IMO.

I think this is mostly correct. Reese was good until Ross who was so bad he sunk everyone, Reese included.

In comment 15482109 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 15482089 afann said: Quote: Start a go find me and put up billboards FIRE CHRIS MARA!! I still laugh out loud when folks think all will be right if we just fired Chris Mara.

We need to fire most, if not all of the scouting and personnel departments. It may sound harsh and may not be realistic, but they are beyond bad at this point. Look no further than OL with several tries in the draft, FA, and trade this OL may actually be worse than a decade ago. The only decent player right now, with Gates injured, is Thomas and it's hard to know how good because everyone around him is terrible. But, the bottom line is this group running our organization have no clue how to evaluate this position at the college or pro level. It seems the same can be said for LB. I just want a new GM from outside the organization with a clean slate here.

In comment 15482129 AcidTest said:

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In comment 15481999 GiantTuff1 said: Quote: until Ross came around. That’s when we suddenly got soft and were drafting these herculean looking non football players too. Both deserve blame but be sunk Reese IMO. I think this is mostly correct. Reese was good until Ross who was so bad he sunk everyone, Reese included.

You think Reese sunk in 2007?

In comment 15482074 lax counsel said:

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Gettleman is a symptom of a much larger underlying issues, which is that this organization is utterly lost in the modern NFL without the slightest understanding of how to get out of this tailspin. I expect Mara to go back to the good ol boys network with the next hire and that GM to be a disaster as well, unless a third party steps in. All you need to know is when you pick a running back at 2 and follow that up by drafting a qb in the weakest class in some time after scouting him at an exhibition game, depicts how utterly broken the process is.

Exactly. Agree.. They seem to hire their buddies instead of the right guy for the job.. The moves have all been disparate and rushed?! They could of waited till there was a good QB class to draft a QB, and in the meantime fortify the Oline and Dline! That was the key. This years draft was a perfect example of that. Draft the best Olinemen and go from there.. Build upon which is weak or lacking..

Maybe we won't be competitive for years to come.

In comment 15482140 christian said:

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In comment 15482129 AcidTest said: Quote: In comment 15481999 GiantTuff1 said: Quote: until Ross came around. That’s when we suddenly got soft and were drafting these herculean looking non football players too. Both deserve blame but be sunk Reese IMO. I think this is mostly correct. Reese was good until Ross who was so bad he sunk everyone, Reese included. You think Reese sunk in 2007?

I think Reese trusted Ross with the draft and that was a disastrous decision. Ross was hired in 2007. Our drafts got progressively worse after that happened, especially on day three.

Tisch step up and say he owns 50% of this and start a GM search from someone who is not from within the Giants family. We need another George Young, but not someone who thinks like George Young. Young forced the Giants to play up to the standards he learned in Baltimore and Miami and how the NFL changed, which were revolutionary under Shula back in the late 60s/70s. Now they need to do the same for someone else but for now how the game is played in the 2020s.

Gettleman is gone, that's easy. But you can't bring back Abrams either. He's got to go. And to be honest, if they hire Pioli, I think it's the same shit again. He was the guy they wanted in 2007 before Reese, and he said no to the interview. He's known by the Giants because he's been in the league forever and is Parcells' son in law.

Get a real search committee in here, not whoever Accorsi has on speed dial.

actually has shown competence both in running the scouting department under Accorsi and having 2 superbowls on his resume. Ross was a mess.

Nearly nothing Gettleman has done has panned out. Coaches, RB, QB, spotty free agency acquisitions . . .

Seems like an arrogant dick to me. As far as being a GM, yeah, he’s a fucking disaster.

In comment 15482188 AcidTest said:

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You think Reese sunk in 2007? I think Reese trusted Ross with the draft and that was a disastrous decision. Ross was hired in 2007. Our drafts got progressively worse after that happened, especially on day three.

The Giants didn’t have a personnel director for the 2007 draft, presumably Reese was heavily involved, and that was a great draft.

Reese was promoted to personnel director in 2004 I believe after the draft.

So Reese ran the 2005, 2006, and 2007 drafts.

I think Ross’s 2008, 2009, and 2010 stand up.

Worst GM since Andy Robustelli.

That DG needed time because Reese left us with a disaster of a roster. And now look what DG has gifted us in only his 4th/last year...cap hell and even less talent.

The debate of who was the better GM (Reese vs DG) isn't close. Sure, you can point out Eli Apple and Flowers...but you can also point to D.Baker and that ridiculous N.Solder contact for DG. In summary, Reese got us 2 chips, a ton of talent (2007 Draft, H.Nicks, T.Thomas, OBJ, JPP, K.Phillips, Manningham, Beatty, L.Joseph, Shep...), a few years of bad drafts, okay free agency, and Victor FUCKIN Cruz.

DG can't hold Reese's jock strap, IMHO. The 2021 Giants have nothing.

You know… in the name of stability.

Stable position as the worst team in the nfl.

It's pretty impressive how badly hes failed at multiple phases.

Bad draft picks
Bad premium free agents
Letting free agents walk who are productive elsewhere
Bad head coaches
Building teams around veteran QBs
Building teams around rookie QBs

You name it

In comment 15481924 SirLoinOfBeef said:

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That's a damning statement!

THIS .. best thing Gettleman did was to fire the useless Marc Ross.. the rest pfft

He failed at every turn.

Solder, Omameh, Hernandez, Zeitler, Peart.

Thomas looks to be a keeper but I've seen enough.

In comment 15482279 Gmen703 said:

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That DG needed time because Reese left us with a disaster of a roster. And now look what DG has gifted us in only his 4th/last year...cap hell and even less talent. The debate of who was the better GM (Reese vs DG) isn't close. Sure, you can point out Eli Apple and Flowers...but you can also point to D.Baker and that ridiculous N.Solder contact for DG. In summary, Reese got us 2 chips, a ton of talent (2007 Draft, H.Nicks, T.Thomas, OBJ, JPP, K.Phillips, Manningham, Beatty, L.Joseph, Shep...), a few years of bad drafts, okay free agency, and Victor FUCKIN Cruz. DG can't hold Reese's jock strap, IMHO. The 2021 Giants have nothing.

reese sucked too.. blew a shitload of drafts dont whitewash his fail Gettleman is more shitty

In comment 15482013 christian said:

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Reese ran Accorsi’s drafts for several years before 2007, and was the lead college talent evaluator. He was a big part of Accorsi building that team.

Diehl, Snee, O'Hara, Seubert, Mackenzie

Reese was not responsible for O'Hara and Kmac as free agents . TC obviously pounded the table for his future son-in-law.

Reese was a scout when Diehl and Seubert were drafted/signed. Did he grade them highly if at all? Possibly, but given how he drafted offensive linemen for 10 years I doubt it.

In comment 15482109 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 15482089 afann said: Quote: Start a go find me and put up billboards FIRE CHRIS MARA!! I still laugh out loud when folks think all will be right if we just fired Chris Mara.

He’s part of the problem. A doofus family member in a high level executive role can’t be a good thing when everyone at the top talks about decisions being “collaborative.”

In comment 15482482 Paulie Walnuts said:

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In comment 15482279 Gmen703 said: Quote: That DG needed time because Reese left us with a disaster of a roster. And now look what DG has gifted us in only his 4th/last year...cap hell and even less talent. The debate of who was the better GM (Reese vs DG) isn't close. Sure, you can point out Eli Apple and Flowers...but you can also point to D.Baker and that ridiculous N.Solder contact for DG. In summary, Reese got us 2 chips, a ton of talent (2007 Draft, H.Nicks, T.Thomas, OBJ, JPP, K.Phillips, Manningham, Beatty, L.Joseph, Shep...), a few years of bad drafts, okay free agency, and Victor FUCKIN Cruz. DG can't hold Reese's jock strap, IMHO. The 2021 Giants have nothing. reese sucked too.. blew a shitload of drafts dont whitewash his fail Gettleman is more shitty

Reese was rightfully canned (probably a few years too late). But shitty drafts were a little easier to digest with that 2011 championship.

Forget about finishing a season at .500 under DG, there's been no point DURING these past 4 seasons where the Giants have been .500 (or better). That means while DG has been the GM here, there was no point at any of these 4 seasons where the Giants were EVER .500. They never even reached 1-1, or 2-2, or 3-3, and so on. They've been perpetually under .500 during every of the past 4 seasons.

That's almost impossible to accomplish. But DG and the Giants did it!

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saying Reese was better than Gettleman are like people saying Kent Graham was better than Danny Kanell.

The damage that Gettleman has done is fresher in the minds of fans, but Reese had horrific drafts that turned this team into a joke in just a few years. Go back and look at Reese's draft history from 2011 to 2017. Look at his free agents then too.

for Ray Handley, but I can't imagine Handley was worse as a coach than Gettleman was as a GM.

One of the worst GM's in NFL history

In comment 15481905 Regular Coffee said:

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In comment 15481873 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: Are we sure he's a nice man? He's made some sexist comments. But he is a disaster. Thanks again EA for recommending him! Doing a solid for a long time pal! YAY! Sexist comments?!? Oh no! I don't care if he wins us a Super Bowl. Fire him now for those comments!

If funny when idiots are idiots.

“It can always get worse.”

How? Hire a known Nazi, chomo for the next GM?

The difference is that Reese had a strong run as both personnel director and GM from 2004 - 2011 and was an integral part of an 8 year stretch where the Giants didn’t have a losing season.

It’s possible to separate the good stretch Reese had from the bad stretch. Mara should have fired Reese with Coughlin.

I can separate the nice job Gettleman did as the pro personnel director under Reese from the tragedy he’s become. He’s never had a day as a winning GM as the Giant, and I believe he’s had 1 week at .500.

In comment 15482728 Eric from BBI said:

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saying Reese was better than Gettleman are like people saying Kent Graham was better than Danny Kanell. The damage that Gettleman has done is fresher in the minds of fans, but Reese had horrific drafts that turned this team into a joke in just a few years. Go back and look at Reese's draft history from 2011 to 2017. Look at his free agents then too.

Reese drafted and signed key members of both Super Bowl teams. A Reese Gettleman comparison is like comparing Eli to Kanell.

In comment 15482728 Eric from BBI said:

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saying Reese was better than Gettleman are like people saying Kent Graham was better than Danny Kanell. The damage that Gettleman has done is fresher in the minds of fans, but Reese had horrific drafts that turned this team into a joke in just a few years. Go back and look at Reese's draft history from 2011 to 2017. Look at his free agents then too.

Word. I always got the sense that Reese got disinterested with the day-to-day of being a GM after the second super bowl. I remember an interview where he talked about his future as a high-up in the league office… so I have not doubt he delegated way too much to Ross and others, and hence, shit drafts and shit FAs.