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Golladay signing is a microcosm of this franchise/DG

Breeze_94 : 12/5/2021 4:56 pm
Overpaid by pretty much bidding against themselves. All reports indicated next best offer was a 1 year deal from Chicago. So what do Giants do? Go out and give him 4 years and 72 mil.

Now they will be hamstrung (no pun) by the contract of an injury prone WR who offers no production even when he is on the field.

In 9 games played, 23/372/0 which would put him on pace for under 45 catches and 700 yards even if he played all 17 games...in today’s NFL. Hasn’t had a 30 plus yard catch or a TD. Keep in mind, this was supposed to be a downfield/red zone target.

I don’t think Giants have the offensive competency to get him involved. And don’t think he’s that great even if you him in a competent offense with some form of rhythm that can sustain drives and create plays downfield

And now they’ll be stuck paying a mediocre receiver approaching 30 years old with a laundry list of injuries who already can’t separate as it is. So he likely doesn’t have much upside. And he’ll continue to be useless with DJ, who struggles with the one type of throw Golladay excels at...ball placement/chemistry throws to beat tight coverage

Kind of a rant but did not want Golladay all off-season. Then when Giants signed him I warmed up to him as a player (I guess it was the new and shiny toy effect) but I am reminded why I wanted them to avoid him at all costs. Fears have been realized.
Joe Judge’s brother?  
Giants73 : 12/5/2021 4:57 pm : link
Redirecting outrage from a horrible coach
I not so sure you Judge was the one pushing  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/5/2021 5:01 pm : link
this signing. O'Brien (Patriots/Detroit) now in our front office and his connection to Patricia. Seems to me this was a pretty big Judge push in all honesty.
RE: Joe Judge’s brother?  
Breeze_94 : 12/5/2021 5:02 pm : link
In comment 15482159 Giants73 said:
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Redirecting outrage from a horrible coach


Nope I’m with you. Judge sucks too.

The poor time management, awful in game decision making, and overall disorganization of the offense (the 3rd and 30 delay of game after a timeout was an all timer) falls completely on him. Especially now that Garret is gone and thing have only gotten worse.

Keeping Judge would be an awful mistake that will handcuff the GM search as well.
It's a 10+ year  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/5/2021 5:03 pm : link
gypsy curse. Only scientific explanation.
Andrew  
AcidTest : 12/5/2021 5:03 pm : link
Thomas has more TDs than Golladay.
Considering  
SleepyOwl : 12/5/2021 5:06 pm : link
this FO let Tomlinson and Zeitler walk to create the space to sign this guy just makes the move inexcusable. The run defense is a shell oh its former self without Dalvin, Zeitler was and had been our best player on offense the entire time he was here.
Paying major money to OK players  
GiantTuff1 : 12/5/2021 5:14 pm : link
And drafting two guys in the top 6 and them turning out to be mediocre costs a franchise years and jobs.

It's buffoonery at its finest.
RE: Considering  
Toth029 : 12/5/2021 5:17 pm : link
In comment 15482214 SleepyOwl said:
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this FO let Tomlinson and Zeitler walk to create the space to sign this guy just makes the move inexcusable. The run defense is a shell oh its former self without Dalvin, Zeitler was and had been our best player on offense the entire time he was here.

Tomlinson and his Vikings run D is 30th in the NFL and 32nd in YPA.

He just wasn't worth $10M per.

Now if you want to argue Golladay or Zietler. The line stuck last year, too. And that was with him. Golladay is horribly misused in an archaic offense design.
And this post was meant to be  
Breeze_94 : 12/5/2021 5:23 pm : link
More of an indictment on the FO and personnel evaluation, roster building and cap management ability.

Like if Taco Bell invested a ton of money into selling hamburgers.

Golladay as a player, while not worth the money, is still better than anything the Giants have had at WR since Odell peak. But he doesn’t fit in with what they are doing and doesn’t move the needle enough to pay anything north of 10mil/yr. There will be guys who can outproduce and outplay him available in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th round of the draft every year.
......  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 12/5/2021 5:36 pm : link
The Giants have a lot of players tied up in injury prone players

Golloday, Shepard, and Barkley.

Shepard they should've moved on from 2 seasons ago, yet they restructured him
So tired of these types of threads  
Eman11 : 12/5/2021 5:43 pm : link
Anyone can point out what’s wrong, not working, bad etc. How about offering a solution or alternative to what they did or planning to do?

It’s the same with Solder threads. Anyone can see he wasn’t worth the money but at the time the team was in dire need of OL help and tried to fix it. It hasn’t worked out but these are the same types of threads that would kill the team if they didn’t try to fix the problem,.

RE: RE: Considering  
SleepyOwl : 12/5/2021 5:48 pm : link
In comment 15482277 Toth029 said:
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In comment 15482214 SleepyOwl said:


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this FO let Tomlinson and Zeitler walk to create the space to sign this guy just makes the move inexcusable. The run defense is a shell oh its former self without Dalvin, Zeitler was and had been our best player on offense the entire time he was here.


Tomlinson and his Vikings run D is 30th in the NFL and 32nd in YPA.

He just wasn't worth $10M per.

Now if you want to argue Golladay or Zietler. The line stuck last year, too. And that was with him. Golladay is horribly misused in an archaic offense design.


Not an apples to apples comparison my guy. Giants run defense this year was 26th last year 11th. Granted we lost Blake but Tomlinson was an huge part of our defense success. Zeitler has played the second most snaps in the league this year and has allowed 0 sacks. Golladay is a good player… however until we get the lines fixed he along with all the skill pos players on this team are useless.
RE: So tired of these types of threads  
FStubbs : 12/5/2021 6:20 pm : link
In comment 15482373 Eman11 said:
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Anyone can point out what’s wrong, not working, bad etc. How about offering a solution or alternative to what they did or planning to do?

It’s the same with Solder threads. Anyone can see he wasn’t worth the money but at the time the team was in dire need of OL help and tried to fix it. It hasn’t worked out but these are the same types of threads that would kill the team if they didn’t try to fix the problem,.


The Solder signing was at least defensible at the time - needed a LT, why not get Brady's? (Though a good GM should've known Solder was blown). Golladay was a dumb signing from the beginning.
RE: So tired of these types of threads  
Breeze_94 : 12/5/2021 6:25 pm : link
In comment 15482373 Eman11 said:
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Anyone can point out what’s wrong, not working, bad etc. How about offering a solution or alternative to what they did or planning to do?

It’s the same with Solder threads. Anyone can see he wasn’t worth the money but at the time the team was in dire need of OL help and tried to fix it. It hasn’t worked out but these are the same types of threads that would kill the team if they didn’t try to fix the problem,.


Lol this is the most inept reply I’ve seen on this forum in quite some time.

“Hey fellow BBI posters...stop making threads about all of the problems this team has and instead offer solutions”

A. This franchise has nothing but problems so not sure what else you expect to read here. Get used to it.
B. As fans and many season ticket holders, we are the customer. It’s not our job to find solutions.
C. Even if we had solutions, what does it matter? Nobody is considering the input of BBI posters
Lol this site LOVED it.  
LauderdaleMatty : 12/5/2021 6:39 pm : link
WRs are a dime a dozen. The next time a team wins a super bowl due to a WR will be the first.

Should have kept Tomlinson instead of over paying for a WR. Good news is the front office isn't alone. Most of this site is just as myopic when it comes to FA and loving the shiny offensive toys rather than just getting great players
RE: RE: So tired of these types of threads  
Eman11 : 12/5/2021 7:04 pm : link
In comment 15482483 Breeze_94 said:
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In comment 15482373 Eman11 said:


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Anyone can point out what’s wrong, not working, bad etc. How about offering a solution or alternative to what they did or planning to do?

It’s the same with Solder threads. Anyone can see he wasn’t worth the money but at the time the team was in dire need of OL help and tried to fix it. It hasn’t worked out but these are the same types of threads that would kill the team if they didn’t try to fix the problem,.




Lol this is the most inept reply I’ve seen on this forum in quite some time.

“Hey fellow BBI posters...stop making threads about all of the problems this team has and instead offer solutions”

A. This franchise has nothing but problems so not sure what else you expect to read here. Get used to it.
B. As fans and many season ticket holders, we are the customer. It’s not our job to find solutions.
C. Even if we had solutions, what does it matter? Nobody is considering the input of BBI posters


Never said to stop making them, just I’m tired of seeing low hanging easy picking fruit threads.

I get needing to vent and even if no one considers BBi’s input for solutions, it sure would be better to hear some than just the same old shit different problem threads.

I know it’s much easier to point out problems and deficiencies than solutions. I’m not sure why I’d expect BBI to take the hard road but it sure would be great to hear some actual possible fixes and debate their merits.
RE: Andrew  
Hammer : 12/5/2021 7:06 pm : link
In comment 15482195 AcidTest said:
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Thomas has more TDs than Golladay.


This would be funny if it wasn't true.

And sad.
i don't mind Golladay the player  
hitdog42 : 12/5/2021 7:07 pm : link
when healthy- Glennon actually threw him open once today which was a small glimpse.

but this signing, similar to drafting barkley and signing OTs in 2018... is your fearless leader DG and Mara thinking they can ACTUALLY compete and signing people to win now.

that in itself, happening a second time, is grounds for not stepping foot in the building ever again.

oh and they thought they didnt need to do much to improve the OL.
DG loves to bid against himself.  
Section331 : 12/5/2021 7:36 pm : link
Eagles offered Adoree Jackson 3/27, so what does DG do? Here’s $39 mill!
Lol...every single person on this board  
rnargi : 12/5/2021 7:58 pm : link
Wanted Galloway...and now he's a mistake and now he's a microcosm of DG.

You can't make this shit up. I feel like I'm reading CN-fuckung-N here.
RE: Lol...every single person on this board  
Enzo : 12/5/2021 8:35 pm : link
In comment 15482768 rnargi said:
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Wanted Galloway...and now he's a mistake and now he's a microcosm of DG.

You can't make this shit up. I feel like I'm reading CN-fuckung-N here.

so because a few idiots on BBI loved the signing - we can't criticize it! Makes total sense! lol....
RE: Lol...every single person on this board  
Jimmy Googs : 12/5/2021 8:36 pm : link
In comment 15482768 rnargi said:
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Wanted Galloway...and now he's a mistake and now he's a microcosm of DG.

You can't make this shit up. I feel like I'm reading CN-fuckung-N here.


Yep.

Golladay too...
RE: RE: Considering  
cosmicj : 12/5/2021 8:40 pm : link
In comment 15482277 Toth029 said:
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In comment 15482214 SleepyOwl said:


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this FO let Tomlinson and Zeitler walk to create the space to sign this guy just makes the move inexcusable. The run defense is a shell oh its former self without Dalvin, Zeitler was and had been our best player on offense the entire time he was here.


Tomlinson and his Vikings run D is 30th in the NFL and 32nd in YPA.

He just wasn't worth $10M per.

Now if you want to argue Golladay or Zietler. The line stuck last year, too. And that was with him. Golladay is horribly misused in an archaic offense design.
Tomlinson has a cap hit of $6mm this year and $7.5mm in 2022. There is a dead cap hit later due to voidable years but DT’s entire contract is about the same as Golladay’s 2022.

And it’s facile to blame the Vikings D rankings on one player.

I thought the Tomlinson decision was wrong and said so at the time. And I was shocked at the amount Golladay was given.

This whole franchise is a dumpster fire.
RE: RE: Lol...every single person on this board  
rnargi : 12/5/2021 8:45 pm : link
In comment 15482847 Enzo said:
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In comment 15482768 rnargi said:


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Wanted Galloway...and now he's a mistake and now he's a microcosm of DG.

You can't make this shit up. I feel like I'm reading CN-fuckung-N here.


so because a few idiots on BBI loved the signing - we can't criticize it! Makes total sense! lol....


A few? Seriously, A FEW?
RE: RE: Lol...every single person on this board  
rnargi : 12/5/2021 8:45 pm : link
In comment 15482849 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15482768 rnargi said:


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Wanted Galloway...and now he's a mistake and now he's a microcosm of DG.

You can't make this shit up. I feel like I'm reading CN-fuckung-N here.



Yep.

Golladay too...


Lol...oops.
RE: RE: So tired of these types of threads  
EricJ : 12/5/2021 8:48 pm : link
In comment 15482464 FStubbs said:
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In comment 15482373 Eman11 said:


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Anyone can point out what’s wrong, not working, bad etc. How about offering a solution or alternative to what they did or planning to do?

It’s the same with Solder threads. Anyone can see he wasn’t worth the money but at the time the team was in dire need of OL help and tried to fix it. It hasn’t worked out but these are the same types of threads that would kill the team if they didn’t try to fix the problem,.




The Solder signing was at least defensible at the time - needed a LT, why not get Brady's? (Though a good GM should've known Solder was blown). Golladay was a dumb signing from the beginning.


We were in desperate need of OL help and unfortunately it was not a deep free agent pool. Plus, we dont know who simply did not want to play for our shitty team.

Golladay, I never liked the idea of bringing him here. A good portion of the people here on this website were salivating over the idea of signing him.
RE: RE: RE: Lol...every single person on this board  
Enzo : 12/5/2021 8:53 pm : link
In comment 15482870 rnargi said:
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In comment 15482847 Enzo said:


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In comment 15482768 rnargi said:


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Wanted Galloway...and now he's a mistake and now he's a microcosm of DG.

You can't make this shit up. I feel like I'm reading CN-fuckung-N here.


so because a few idiots on BBI loved the signing - we can't criticize it! Makes total sense! lol....



A few? Seriously, A FEW?

ok, fine. There were a LOT of people defending this move and pretty much every other move made by DG. Seems like several of them are no longer posting there. But I'm guessing you were one of them? How's that working out?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Lol...every single person on this board  
rnargi : 12/5/2021 9:26 pm : link
In comment 15482887 Enzo said:
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In comment 15482870 rnargi said:


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In comment 15482847 Enzo said:


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In comment 15482768 rnargi said:


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Wanted Galloway...and now he's a mistake and now he's a microcosm of DG.

You can't make this shit up. I feel like I'm reading CN-fuckung-N here.


so because a few idiots on BBI loved the signing - we can't criticize it! Makes total sense! lol....



A few? Seriously, A FEW?


ok, fine. There were a LOT of people defending this move and pretty much every other move made by DG. Seems like several of them are no longer posting there. But I'm guessing you were one of them? How's that working out?


Enzo I don't make decisions and I don't pretend that I know if signing one guy over the next is right or wrong. I don't defend Gettleman or anyone else. I don't disparage them, either. I'm not qualified to be a GM. I do know, however, that Judge is in his second year and people expect him to be Lombardi. I do know that Jones is quarterbacking the worst Giants team I've ever seen...no line to speak of, no running game, litereral street FAs at WR....so let's get rid of him. It's his fault, you know. I do know, 99% of this board wanted Golliday to give DJ a legit 1WR. No one expected him to be hurt all year. Other than Shep, who is constantly hurt and missed more than 60% of Offensive snaps this year, there is no starting caliber WR on the team. It's not DJ. It's not JJ, and it's not DG at this moment. It's 17 players on IR and several other key starters out. I don't get how people want change for the sake of change and they think by some miracle the 22+ hurt players are going to miraculously heal and/or the scrubs who are playing in their places are going to suddenly become all pros. It's insane.

I'm sick of it. I'm sick of acting like a new GM, QB, and HC will change anything. Until they get the lines fixed, it doesn't matter one bit what they do anywhere else. If you want to blame DG for that, fine. 40% of the starting line was lost for the year. Not DGs fault. Nate S is no longer able to play. Not DGs fault. WH has regressed terribly and is not a starting caliber guard after a very promising rookie season. Not DGs fault. EE can't block. Barkley wont Jacobs a Blitzer, instead shrugging at them
Not DGs fault. Now you can say they should have known. Maybe so. But these players are just not performing.

There is no QB in football that could make that offense on the field work today. People on this board were beating their chests for Glennon. Well they got him. He's not an NFL caliber starter.

So go ahead, fire them all. See how that works out for YOU.
RE: Lol...every single person on this board  
JesseS : 12/5/2021 10:19 pm : link
In comment 15482768 rnargi said:
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Wanted Galloway...and now he's a mistake and now he's a microcosm of DG.

You can't make this shit up. I feel like I'm reading CN-fuckung-N here.


While I don't follow the reference you're making outside of football, I think a lot of the BBI readership that are probably a little more deliberate in their comments tend to not post as often, so I presume you're going to have mostly reactive excitement after a signing.

I was flabbergasted by their interest in Gollladay from day one. Even if he were the best 1v1, jump ball guy of all time, it still would have been nutty. The guy gets no separation. Never did. The giants had no one proven at the time who gets separation. It boggles my mind how they had a bunch of slow WRs who couldn't get separation and then brought in another guy who couldn't get separation. Look at what Waddle does in that Miami offense. At the very least, he gives his QB a window to throw the ball.

I still don't know what I think about Daniel Jones, but I can imagine that having to throw most of your passes past 10 yds as jump balls is no way to win in the current NFL.

It seems like there isn't a clear idea of what direction the franchise should be moving in. Even when they had Dave Brown or Kanell, the team did something right, or at least average (usually the defense). Now they don't seem to have a single unit that consistently plays average football. Even the punter is awful. I don't see how an organization can whiff that consistently for so long. How do you miss on so many draft picks for so long?

When I saw the graphic today of the teams having their 3 year window, I thought, "holy crap". If you count the last two or 3 superbowls, they have become a feast or famine organization. Of course you can't disregard the superbowls. They were amazing. But outside of that, they're just consistently awful.
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