You can't tell me he'd be worst than Glennon was today. It is utterly mind boggling that the Giants were so confident not just in Jones ability, but Jones ability to stay healthy, that they were stupid enough to go into the season with Glennon as the backup.
Minshew is not the answer to anything.
Any in typical fashion, Philadelphia has a plan in mind with their roster, and they execute it well.
Minshew is not the answer to anything.
Point being that a game wouldn't be automatically sacrificed due to Jones being out, like it is with Mike fucking Glennon.
"we have one of the worst starting QBs in the league, so let's make sure we don't hurt his feelings by getting one of the better backups in the league".
A 6th pick exchange for a competent NFL QB is not wasting picks.
Dime a dozen QB...
Minshew is not the answer to anything.
That's not true. He's an answer to the question: "Who are some backup QBs that are better than our starting QB?"
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picks/money on Minshew. He will do nothing that we haven't seen already.
A 6th pick exchange for a competent NFL QB is not wasting picks.
He is not any better than Jones, please stop it.
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picks/money on Minshew. He will do nothing that we haven't seen already.
A 6th pick exchange for a competent NFL QB is not wasting picks.
He is not any better than Jones, please stop it.
If he was so good, he wouldn't be kicking around the league.
A 6th pick exchange for a competent NFL QB is not wasting picks.
He is not any better than Jones, please stop it.
He's better than Glennon - right?
And he's certainly no worse than Jones.
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A 6th pick exchange for a competent NFL QB is not wasting picks.
He is not any better than Jones, please stop it.
He's better than Glennon - right?
And he's certainly no worse than Jones.
Yes, he is worse than Jones. Stop the pandering.
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Minshew is not the answer to anything.
That's not true. He's an answer to the question: "Who are some backup QBs that are better than our starting QB?"
It's probably true and (very debatable) about GM, but the Giants were looking at Jones in terms of long term value. The hope from all of is Jones would have gotten better.
Minshew is exactly now what he will be in 10 years.
We stuck with Jones due to potential upside. Now it has worked out but that's the gamble of trying to find your QB who plays 10 years.
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Exactly what they need, another backup QB...save the picks. Blow this shit up and start over.
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picks/money on Minshew. He will do nothing that we haven't seen already.
A 6th pick exchange for a competent NFL QB is not wasting picks.
He is not any better than Jones, please stop it.
If he was so good, he wouldn't be kicking around the league.
But this thread isn't about Jones vs Minshew. It's about Glennon vs Minshew, and the fact that it was idiotic not to trade for Minshew. And if Jones was a reason for that, it's even stupider of an action by the GM.
My post is not intended to be a bash Jones thread. It's intended to be a bash Gettleman one.
But don't come in here and act like Jones is unequivocally much better than Minshew. He isn't and if you ask 75% of Giants fans and 100% of fans of other teams, you'll get a resounding "No" to that question.
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The cast and coaching blow.
Minshew is not the answer to anything.
Who is saying he's the answer to anything? He's a competent backup QB (more competent than Jones) and actually would light a fire under Jones ass because he may actually even be better.
Point being that a game wouldn't be automatically sacrificed due to Jones being out, like it is with Mike fucking Glennon.
"we have one of the worst starting QBs in the league, so let's make sure we don't hurt his feelings by getting one of the better backups in the league".
He's better than Glennon - right?
And he's certainly no worse than Jones.
Yes, he is worse than Jones. Stop the pandering.
I really suggest you revisit Minshew's stats. They are every bit as good as Jones.
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picks/money on Minshew. He will do nothing that we haven't seen already.
A 6th pick exchange for a competent NFL QB is not wasting picks.
He is not any better than Jones, please stop it.
Yes he is. 37 TD passes in 20 starts. Minshew is exactly the type of QB the Giants should have targeted.
I agree.
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He's better than Glennon - right?
And he's certainly no worse than Jones.
Yes, he is worse than Jones. Stop the pandering.
I really suggest you revisit Minshew's stats. They are every bit as good as Jones.
Why do you get rid of one QB for another one that may be equal to the one you have but probably isn't? Minshew has topped out. I do not think Jones has topped out for a team with a competent oline.
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He's better than Glennon - right?
And he's certainly no worse than Jones.
Yes, he is worse than Jones. Stop the pandering.
I really suggest you revisit Minshew's stats. They are every bit as good as Jones.
Why do you get rid of one QB for another one that may be equal to the one you have but probably isn't? Minshew has topped out. I do not think Jones has topped out for a team with a competent oline.
Might have won this game, might have even beat Dallas
Who said get rid of Jones for Minshew? The point is that this team needed a backup QB and Minshew is probably one of the top ones in the league -- and the did not get him.
Oh, the old hindsight two step.
I really suggest you revisit Minshew's stats. They are every bit as good as Jones.
Why do you get rid of one QB for another one that may be equal to the one you have but probably isn't? Minshew has topped out. I do not think Jones has topped out for a team with a competent oline.
I'm not suggesting Minshew is a long-term solution. But for a 6th round pick, it would have been a very shrewd investment.
-- 1. It creates competition.
-- 2. Nice insurance policy for these exact situations.
-- 3. Cheap contract
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He's better than Glennon - right?
And he's certainly no worse than Jones.
Yes, he is worse than Jones. Stop the pandering.
I really suggest you revisit Minshew's stats. They are every bit as good as Jones.
Why do you get rid of one QB for another one that may be equal to the one you have but probably isn't? Minshew has topped out. I do not think Jones has topped out for a team with a competent oline.
Minshew has topped out? He played very well today, his first opportunity to play with any semblance of talent. So we can’t evaluate Jones because of a lousy roster around him, but you have zero problem doing that for Minshew. I guess you were wowed with all of that Jacksonville talent.
Minshew has topped out? He played very well today, his first opportunity to play with any semblance of talent. So we can’t evaluate Jones because of a lousy roster around him, but you have zero problem doing that for Minshew. I guess you were wowed with all of that Jacksonville talent.
Hey, believe whatever you want. Have at it.
but you know that is why he was not brought in he would have messed with the optics of how the organization is being managed when there was no doubt minshew would get in since Jones can't stay healthy and most likely look competitive and show some fire on the sideline and the fans would fall in love with it.
Another JAG QB to get murdered behind a shitty OL with shitty play calling.
No issue with not pursuing Minshew.
For all the belief in ‘competition for roster spots yields best results’ which we see up and down rosters where possible, the league believes remarkably differently, for better or worse, at the QB position which they seem to treat as a marker of organizational stability. The generally accepted philosophy just appears to be different there.
Pretty damn solid.
Jones best QBR this year was 67.
This says more about Hurts, actually. It also says a lot about the EAgles system always giving their QB opportunity - something I mentioned many times in the past.
Pretty damn solid.
Jones best QBR this year was 67.
He played the WORST defense in the NFL today… 31st in total defense and dead last in scoring defense. Footballoutsiders.com has the Jets as 20% worse than the next closest defense in the sport this season.
How many GMs would agree with that statement?
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Who said get rid of Jones for Minshew? The point is that this team needed a backup QB and Minshew is probably one of the top ones in the league -- and the did not get him.
Oh, the old hindsight two step.
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20/25, 242, 9.7 YPA, 2 TDs/0 INTs, 78+ QBR.
Pretty damn solid.
Jones best QBR this year was 67.
He played the WORST defense in the NFL today… 31st in total defense and dead last in scoring defense. Footballoutsiders.com has the Jets as 20% worse than the next closest defense in the sport this season.
And Jones has played against the Falcons (31st defense in PPG), Raiders (29th in PPG), and WFT (25th in PPG).
His QBRs in those games: 49.4, 43, and 59.6.
Any other insights you'd like to add?
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Minshew is better than DJ.
How many GMs would agree with that statement?
But again, this is about going into the season with MIKE GLENNON as the backup QB. How many GMs would say Minshew is better than Glennon? 100%
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20/25, 242, 9.7 YPA, 2 TDs/0 INTs, 78+ QBR.
Pretty damn solid.
Jones best QBR this year was 67.
He played the WORST defense in the NFL today… 31st in total defense and dead last in scoring defense. Footballoutsiders.com has the Jets as 20% worse than the next closest defense in the sport this season.
And Jones has played against the Falcons (31st defense in PPG), Raiders (29th in PPG), and WFT (25th in PPG).
His QBRs in those games: 49.4, 43, and 59.6.
Any other insights you'd like to add?
Gardner Minshew played the worst defense in the sport today and nimrods are throwing him bouquets. I didn’t bring up Daniel Jones. I just said WGAF about what Minshew did today. Even you can understand that. Maybe not.
20/25, 242, 9.7 YPA, 2 TDs/0 INTs, 78+ QBR.
Pretty damn solid.
Jones best QBR this year was 67.
He played the WORST defense in the NFL today… 31st in total defense and dead last in scoring defense. Footballoutsiders.com has the Jets as 20% worse than the next closest defense in the sport this season.
And Jones has played against the Falcons (31st defense in PPG), Raiders (29th in PPG), and WFT (25th in PPG).
His QBRs in those games: 49.4, 43, and 59.6.
Any other insights you'd like to add?
Gardner Minshew played the worst defense in the sport today and nimrods are throwing him bouquets. I didn’t bring up Daniel Jones. I just said WGAF about what Minshew did today. Even you can understand that. Maybe not.
I get it. But Minshew still delivered a high QBR.
I brought up Jones to show that he had three cracks this year at piss poor defenses (ATL is the second worst to the Jets) and he couldn't get in the same QBR universe as Minshew.
Let's run down our position groups
Oline-Horrific
Running Backs-Pitiful
WRs-Fragile
TEs-Pathetic
QBs-Sad
Minshew isn't coming here and making Chicken salad out of our chicken shit
As for Minshew, many teams bypassed on the chance to bring him in, including those for which there would never be a QB controversy. Maybe most of the sport just doesn’t think he’s particularly good. Maybe they’re wrong. Who knows??
So he was playing for a team worse than NYG; but he actually had more production than Jones.
Again, I'm not saying Minshew is a long term solution. But this counter that he's inferior to Jones is laughable...
So he was playing for a team worse than NYG; but he actually had more production than Jones.
Again, I'm not saying Minshew is a long term solution. But this counter that he's inferior to Jones is laughable...
Minshew played well when Jax had a good team. Better than the Giants. They went to the playoffs. And when they got rid of their talent Minshew stunk...which is why he was benched and replaced
In 2020, he was 1-7 when Jax was 1-15.
So Jax was never good while he was there.
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20/25, 242, 9.7 YPA, 2 TDs/0 INTs, 78+ QBR.
Pretty damn solid.
Jones best QBR this year was 67.
He played the WORST defense in the NFL today… 31st in total defense and dead last in scoring defense. Footballoutsiders.com has the Jets as 20% worse than the next closest defense in the sport this season.
And Jones has played against the Falcons (31st defense in PPG), Raiders (29th in PPG), and WFT (25th in PPG).
His QBRs in those games: 49.4, 43, and 59.6.
Any other insights you'd like to add?
Gardner Minshew played the worst defense in the sport today and nimrods are throwing him bouquets. I didn’t bring up Daniel Jones. I just said WGAF about what Minshew did today. Even you can understand that. Maybe not.
today was very winnable with a better backup qb. But downgrading was needed to not cause any controversy
Jesus fucking christ.
Jesus fucking christ.
yeah so stupid, why talk about who is backing up the most important player on a football team, for a specific guy who hasn't even shown he's good yet, who also gets hurt for like 3-4 games every year.
If you can get a young QB who can win games and may at least show enough that you can trade him for an asset, particularly given the Jones situation, you do it.
jesus fucking christ
Lots of chuckleheads arguing against it...
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Arguing about who would’ve been the better back up? As if Minshew would’ve given some kind of hope for an already lost season?
Jesus fucking christ.
yeah so stupid, why talk about who is backing up the most important player on a football team, for a specific guy who hasn't even shown he's good yet, who also gets hurt for like 3-4 games every year.
If you can get a young QB who can win games and may at least show enough that you can trade him for an asset, particularly given the Jones situation, you do it.
jesus fucking christ
Blah blah blah
You still don’t get the point and, that’s not surprising.
As for Minshew, many teams bypassed on the chance to bring him in, including those for which there would never be a QB controversy. Maybe most of the sport just doesn’t think he’s particularly good. Maybe they’re wrong. Who knows??
I believe at one point in college or something he didn’t want to play so he smashed his hand with a hammer. I heard that story somewhere. And if true, I can see why teams would look passed talent and evaluate his personality over talent.
In 2020, he was 1-7 when Jax was 1-15.
So Jax was never good while he was there.
My mistake on the years. Thanks for the correction. But my point is the same. As the talent around him left, so did the wins. I actually like Minshew and do think he is worth a 6th rounder. BUT, he would still look like dogshit on this offense
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Arguing about who would’ve been the better back up? As if Minshew would’ve given some kind of hope for an already lost season?
Jesus fucking christ.
yeah so stupid, why talk about who is backing up the most important player on a football team, for a specific guy who hasn't even shown he's good yet, who also gets hurt for like 3-4 games every year.
If you can get a young QB who can win games and may at least show enough that you can trade him for an asset, particularly given the Jones situation, you do it.
jesus fucking christ
Blah blah blah
You still don’t get the point and, that’s not surprising.
Why comment? Its a good example of how poorly the Giants construct the roster. This is a New York Giants fan forum right? Did anyone here say Minshew would give hope for a lost season?
Go post on Reddit if Gardner Minshew threads trigger you.