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Gardner Minshew not worth a 6th round pick, right?

Bear vs Shark : 12/5/2021 5:00 pm
You can't tell me he'd be worst than Glennon was today. It is utterly mind boggling that the Giants were so confident not just in Jones ability, but Jones ability to stay healthy, that they were stupid enough to go into the season with Glennon as the backup.
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Minshew was...  
bw in dc : 12/5/2021 7:27 pm : link
6-6 as starter in 2019 when Jax was 6-10 overall.

In 2020, he was 1-7 when Jax was 1-15.

So Jax was never good while he was there.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Minshew today...  
Bear vs Shark : 12/5/2021 7:38 pm : link
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20/25, 242, 9.7 YPA, 2 TDs/0 INTs, 78+ QBR.

Pretty damn solid.

Jones best QBR this year was 67.



He played the WORST defense in the NFL today… 31st in total defense and dead last in scoring defense. Footballoutsiders.com has the Jets as 20% worse than the next closest defense in the sport this season.



And Jones has played against the Falcons (31st defense in PPG), Raiders (29th in PPG), and WFT (25th in PPG).

His QBRs in those games: 49.4, 43, and 59.6.

Any other insights you'd like to add?



Gardner Minshew played the worst defense in the sport today and nimrods are throwing him bouquets. I didn’t bring up Daniel Jones. I just said WGAF about what Minshew did today. Even you can understand that. Maybe not.
Saying that Minshew is better than the absolute trash we saw from Glennon is not throwing him a bouquet, so spare me the hyperbole and stop putting words in my mouth.
Glennon is ok as backup  
Scooter185 : 12/5/2021 7:45 pm : link
"Because we're not winning without Jones anyway"

today was very winnable with a better backup qb. But downgrading was needed to not cause any controversy
This whole thread is stupid  
bwitz : 12/5/2021 7:51 pm : link
Arguing about who would’ve been the better back up? As if Minshew would’ve given some kind of hope for an already lost season?

Jesus fucking christ.
RE: This whole thread is stupid  
Bear vs Shark : 12/5/2021 8:10 pm : link
In comment 15482753 bwitz said:
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Arguing about who would’ve been the better back up? As if Minshew would’ve given some kind of hope for an already lost season?

Jesus fucking christ.


yeah so stupid, why talk about who is backing up the most important player on a football team, for a specific guy who hasn't even shown he's good yet, who also gets hurt for like 3-4 games every year.

If you can get a young QB who can win games and may at least show enough that you can trade him for an asset, particularly given the Jones situation, you do it.

jesus fucking christ
He should have been traded for absolutely.  
Jimmy Googs : 12/5/2021 8:44 pm : link
Go look in the archives on that thread debating it.

Lots of chuckleheads arguing against it...
RE: RE: This whole thread is stupid  
bwitz : 12/5/2021 8:52 pm : link
In comment 15482785 Bear vs Shark said:
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Arguing about who would’ve been the better back up? As if Minshew would’ve given some kind of hope for an already lost season?

Jesus fucking christ.



yeah so stupid, why talk about who is backing up the most important player on a football team, for a specific guy who hasn't even shown he's good yet, who also gets hurt for like 3-4 games every year.

If you can get a young QB who can win games and may at least show enough that you can trade him for an asset, particularly given the Jones situation, you do it.

jesus fucking christ


Blah blah blah

You still don’t get the point and, that’s not surprising.
RE: When Jones played well against bad teams as a rookie,  
bradshaw44 : 12/5/2021 8:58 pm : link
In comment 15482602 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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some said, “Who cares? Those are bad teams.”

As for Minshew, many teams bypassed on the chance to bring him in, including those for which there would never be a QB controversy. Maybe most of the sport just doesn’t think he’s particularly good. Maybe they’re wrong. Who knows??


I believe at one point in college or something he didn’t want to play so he smashed his hand with a hammer. I heard that story somewhere. And if true, I can see why teams would look passed talent and evaluate his personality over talent.
RE: Minshew was...  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/5/2021 10:20 pm : link
In comment 15482687 bw in dc said:
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6-6 as starter in 2019 when Jax was 6-10 overall.

In 2020, he was 1-7 when Jax was 1-15.

So Jax was never good while he was there.


My mistake on the years. Thanks for the correction. But my point is the same. As the talent around him left, so did the wins. I actually like Minshew and do think he is worth a 6th rounder. BUT, he would still look like dogshit on this offense
RE: RE: RE: This whole thread is stupid  
GiantGrit : 12/5/2021 11:10 pm : link
In comment 15482883 bwitz said:
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Arguing about who would’ve been the better back up? As if Minshew would’ve given some kind of hope for an already lost season?

Jesus fucking christ.



yeah so stupid, why talk about who is backing up the most important player on a football team, for a specific guy who hasn't even shown he's good yet, who also gets hurt for like 3-4 games every year.

If you can get a young QB who can win games and may at least show enough that you can trade him for an asset, particularly given the Jones situation, you do it.

jesus fucking christ



Blah blah blah

You still don’t get the point and, that’s not surprising.


Why comment? Its a good example of how poorly the Giants construct the roster. This is a New York Giants fan forum right? Did anyone here say Minshew would give hope for a lost season?

Go post on Reddit if Gardner Minshew threads trigger you.
The fundamental point here is that the giants  
bhill410 : 12/5/2021 11:31 pm : link
Felt they were a potential playoff team prior to the season starting and then took the decision that it was wise to entrust what they viewed as a playoff roster with a horrible back up qb. If we were say 6-5 going into todays game and had to start glennon we would be freaking out. Just because we are horrible doesn’t excuse the very questionable decision to have Glennon on the roster.
Please there is a very good reason why the Giants wanted Glennon  
Debaser : 12/6/2021 10:02 am : link
Glennon is a back up , knows he is a back up. Minshew is better ; a threat to Jones as a starter; and wants to start.
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