Saquon Barkley.

you can, I will see how next season goes another year removed from the knee injury.

as a flex type option on a better team. But he's not going to come anywhere close to the hype or the draft status.

Are harming a Saquon’ trade value. We need to move him in the offseason for his sake and ours. Tape like today’s will sink his value.

Bust? No.

Maddeningly frustrating player on a team that has no ability to run block? Abso FUCKING lutely

Its like he doesn't trust his knee yet. It feels like they are letting him play his way back into shape, taking hits, making cuts, trying to find holes, etc.

I am waiting for next year. If he looks like this next year than yes, but I am hoping he will be a lot better

In comment 15482449 mattlawson said:

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Bust? No. Maddeningly frustrating player on a team that has no ability to run block? Abso FUCKING lutely

fastest ever in Giants history, not overall, from what I heard

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In comment 15482449 mattlawson said: Quote: Bust? No. Maddeningly frustrating player on a team that has no ability to run block? Abso FUCKING lutely fastest ever in Giants history, not overall, from what I heard

sorry, lol, you have it right - I missed the "giant" in your post. my apologies.

In comment 15482448 cosmicj said:

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Are harming a Saquon’ trade value. We need to move him in the offseason for his sake and ours. Tape like today’s will sink his value.

this was is best performance all year

Today was his best performance of the season? Were we watching the same game?

looked markedly slower and less explosive than booker. i love the guy but complete bust and probably the first domino that ruined this franchise.

For the couple he dropped he did make a few one-handers on poorly placed balls.

In comment 15482449 mattlawson said:

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Bust? No. Maddeningly frustrating player on a team that has no ability to run block? Abso FUCKING lutely

He's a bust for the number two pick in the draft.

prevent him from picking up a block every once in a while. He and Solder are the whiff twins.

He’s constantly shifting laterally and retreating, losing yardage and putting us in the hole instead of maximizing what is there by adding 1-3 yards on the play by pushing forward. He is also not showing escapability in the open field.

If that was his best game, yikes.

Unless he gets hurt again.

In comment 15482477 ambr0se201 said:

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looked markedly slower and less explosive than booker. i love the guy but complete bust and probably the first domino that ruined this franchise.

Which isn’t Barkley’s fault it’s DG’s fault for not using that pick to leverage extra picks from someone. If he drafted Darnold the Jets would have given him something to get him back and he still could have got Barkley.

worst draft pick in Giants' history since everything since 2018 has been derailed by it.

Dynamic at times, but injury prone, and not a steady option in the run game. He’s a gimmicky weapon for a team that already has a primary ball carrier.

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In comment 15482448 cosmicj said:

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Are harming a Saquon’ trade value. We need to move him in the offseason for his sake and ours. Tape like today’s will sink his value.

He has no trade value.

I'm not sure anyone would want him on their roster in his present state.

90% of people on this board complaining would have drafted Darnold. It's very easy to go back in time and say these things but at the time he was the most dynamic offensive weapon on the board and the team desperately needed offensive weapons

In comment 15482449 mattlawson said:

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Bust? No. Maddeningly frustrating player on a team that has no ability to run block? Abso FUCKING lutely

Odell Beckham Jr had 4122 receiving yards in his first 3 years.

Maybe this stat for Barkley is about reaching 4K yards in the fewest games?

to me he could be and perhaps was one of the best running backs in the league before the knee injury. Now? He looks like what I would imagine an old, past his prime Saquon would look had the knee injury not have taken place. It's still possible that he could return to form, but probably not here, if at all. I know many fans were not a fan of him at his best, but I really loved watching him play and was productive despite poor OL's.

I will say that I have been disappointed that his pass blocking does not seem to have got much better from my view. The Giants have become a black hole at this point, even sucking away my interest in watching any other football.

In comment 15482534 outeiroj said:

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90% of people on this board complaining would have drafted Darnold. It's very easy to go back in time and say these things but at the time he was the most dynamic offensive weapon on the board and the team desperately needed offensive weapons

I am on record for wanting Josh Allen.

In comment 15482449 mattlawson said:

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Bust? No. Maddeningly frustrating player on a team that has no ability to run block? Abso FUCKING lutely

He's a bust.

Take away his rookie year and that means he's getting less than 1,000 yards combined yearly since then.

If we call RG3 a bust - and he was a #2 overall pick who actually took his team to the playoffs his rookie year before he melted down - Barkley is one too.

The Barkley of the first 2 years was a completely different player. He had better vision and hit the hole fast when he found it. He was very, very good. This version sucks. He looks like he is playing like he's afraid of getting hurt. He's done, but let's not act like he was always shit

In comment 15482534 outeiroj said:

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90% of people on this board complaining would have drafted Darnold. It's very easy to go back in time and say these things but at the time he was the most dynamic offensive weapon on the board and the team desperately needed offensive weapons

The team needed nearly everything. Stop trying to change the narrative. It was clear they should've been in rebuild. You don't take a RB when undergoing a rebuild.

a tease. Get over him and move on

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Dynamic at times, but injury prone, and not a steady option in the run game. He’s a gimmicky weapon for a team that already has a primary ball carrier.

Bingo. And when he lands with his Sean Payton, or Andy Reid, he will show his value

and a buy a ticket...

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and a buy a ticket...

And buy a gold jacket.

try to pass block is just sad at this point. all that rumored work ethic, likes to hone his craft etc. It's all bullshit. his technique is horrible and has not improved one bit. He just kind of stands in the way when he's pass blocking, like he's taking a charge.

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Dynamic at times, but injury prone, and not a steady option in the run game. He’s a gimmicky weapon for a team that already has a primary ball carrier.

He would be incredibly fortunate to ever become Reggie Bush at this point.

In comment 15482494 cosmicj said:

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He’s constantly shifting laterally and retreating, losing yardage and putting us in the hole instead of maximizing what is there by adding 1-3 yards on the play by pushing forward. He is also not showing escapability in the open field. If that was his best game, yikes.

This I agree with.

That style worked in college, not the pros.

The maddening thing is, he played brilliantly his first year.

for another year.

They will probably have better O line and he be will fantastic. Further cementing this organization as dysfunctional. All NY not the Yankees fall under that title now.

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In comment 15482508 Vin_Cuccs said: Quote: Dynamic at times, but injury prone, and not a steady option in the run game. He’s a gimmicky weapon for a team that already has a primary ball carrier. He would be incredibly fortunate to ever become Reggie Bush at this point.

exactly. Reggie Bush had a perfectly above average and respectable career

The first season back from that injury is normally a wash. If he fails next season than yeah. Bust.

on their first contract.

He is most definitely a bust right now today.

Even if he has a great season next year, unless it results in a lot of wins and something in the playoffs he's not even in the discussion for non-bust.

A #2 pick, especially one that you took despite terrible positional value return needs to be like AP to make any sense. Remember, Faulk didn't even play for a good team his first team. And he was way better than Barkley.

It's really disrespectful to the young man. AP is the only player I can think of that successfully came back from an ACL type injury. I haven't seen a RB with as much promise as Barkley in a long time. So much natural ability and potential to be one of the all time greats. The only thing he lacked was pass blocking.

Watching him run I thought he'd be the next Gale Sayers and wish that's not the name I thought of. When he got hurt I truly felt bad him. Another career destroyed by a big injury.

Seems to be a theme with the Giants TBH. Cruz, Steve Smith, Nicks, etc. Right now the Giants have the most players on IR. 21.68% of their cap is on IR.

To me a bust is what you call a player who lacked the skills or effort to make it in the NFL. You can make the argument that the shelf life of a RB is too low to draft so high but I think it's disrespectful to call him a bust. Just my personal opinion. Go ahead and kick a man while he is down if it makes you feel better.

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for another year.

Neat.

Do people not remember his rookie season back in 2018? He was awesome. 2000+ total yards, and let's remember he averaged ~5.0 ypc behind possibly the worst o-line in the entire league. I remember so many people qualified the latter stat by saying "well yes that's because he broke off so many long runs though!" As though those long runs shouldn't count or weren't impressive unto themselves. And either way he looked impressive because he often had to dodge a defender or 2 in the backfield just to get positive yardage. I also would say most of the time in 2018 when he "danced" he actually would end up successfully making a move to dodge a defender and it worked to pick up additional yards.

Now? He's a completely different player and it's clearly because the injuries did him in. He honestly hasn't been the same since that high ankle sprain which he tried to come back from just 3 weeks later back in 2019. We all know a high ankle sprain is an injury that can plague a player for an entire season. Then once he was likely fully healthy in 2020 he tore his acl immediately.

The jury is still out as to whether or not he can get back to being the same player with another year or so removed form the injury, but I'm just not sure he'll ever have that same feel he had back in 2018. I remember watching him live and just feeling like he moved DIFFERENTLY than any other player on the field. It was exhilarating to watch. He could make a cut/move in the backfield that broke a safety's ankles a good 15 yards away from him.

So-- again-- if his play will never be the same because of injury, I don't see that as being a "bust". It's simply unfortunate.

And I'm shocked how many people I see everyday here saying he's a "bust" in the sense that he never panned out as a good player-- it's like people forget what they saw in 2018.

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In comment 15482494 cosmicj said: Quote: He’s constantly shifting laterally and retreating, losing yardage and putting us in the hole instead of maximizing what is there by adding 1-3 yards on the play by pushing forward. He is also not showing escapability in the open field. If that was his best game, yikes. This I agree with. That style worked in college, not the pros. The maddening thing is, he played brilliantly his first year.

There was a thread that explained why his first year was smoke and mirrors too. Also, you can't discount Eli was the QB his first year and constantly moving him around.

there was one play yesterday where Miami just stacked the line, there was really nobody at the second level and it dawned on me that these teams play Barkley with no fear of the second level because they know he will not get past the first level. Unless he sees a hole the size of the grand canyon, like the play where he had that long gain, he will just move around looking for one--so defense just clog holes by overloading knowing that he won't get passed it. It is actually a really smart way to defend against such a poor running back with no instincts.

In comment 15483492 Leg of Theismann said:

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Do people not remember his rookie season back in 2018? He was awesome. 2000+ total yards, and let's remember he averaged ~5.0 ypc behind possibly the worst o-line in the entire league. I remember so many people qualified the latter stat by saying "well yes that's because he broke off so many long runs though!" As though those long runs shouldn't count or weren't impressive unto themselves. And either way he looked impressive because he often had to dodge a defender or 2 in the backfield just to get positive yardage. I also would say most of the time in 2018 when he "danced" he actually would end up successfully making a move to dodge a defender and it worked to pick up additional yards. Now? He's a completely different player and it's clearly because the injuries did him in. He honestly hasn't been the same since that high ankle sprain which he tried to come back from just 3 weeks later back in 2019. We all know a high ankle sprain is an injury that can plague a player for an entire season. Then once he was likely fully healthy in 2020 he tore his acl immediately. The jury is still out as to whether or not he can get back to being the same player with another year or so removed form the injury, but I'm just not sure he'll ever have that same feel he had back in 2018. I remember watching him live and just feeling like he moved DIFFERENTLY than any other player on the field. It was exhilarating to watch. He could make a cut/move in the backfield that broke a safety's ankles a good 15 yards away from him. So-- again-- if his play will never be the same because of injury, I don't see that as being a "bust". It's simply unfortunate. And I'm shocked how many people I see everyday here saying he's a "bust" in the sense that he never panned out as a good player-- it's like people forget what they saw in 2018.

Again, if you consider RG3 a bust at #2 overall, and I think it's safe to say everyone does, then Barkley is also one.