is maybe good enough (or almost good enough) right now to propel the Giants toward a playoff berth, assuming some semblance of a competent offense (which of course is a bad joke right now)?
Strong at every position but we are really just an impact pass rusher away from being really good. I think we have our #2 pash rusher already. We need someone who will get to the an even with a 3 man rush.
Miami scored on half of their first half drives. The defense allowed yet another 80 yard drive for a TD right before halftime. How many times has that happened this year? 10 times?
Yes they forced four straight punts in the second half, but they gave up two key drives in the 4th quarter that salted the game away for the Dolphins.
Don't get me wrong... the NYG offense lost this game, but the defense wasn't that good. This is a bad Dolphins offense that had its best player get hurt during the game.
With Martinez and Fackrell......they were a cornerback short of being real good.....now their DL without Tomlinson and the likes of Crowder, and other scrubs at LB make them weaker regardless of what appears to be improved play.
We all know it's a game of synergy and great offenses can aid the defense, and vice versa. Of course, the opposite is true, and the Giants offense is doing absolutely nothing, zero, nada to help this defense. They rarely put up any points and they rarely sustain any drives, and that has the accumulative effect of leaving our defense high and dry.
They've gotten very little return at the areas they've invested in the most. They're a collection of sidekicks (Bradberry, Williams), underperformers (Lawrence, Jackson, Ryan) and marginal starters (Crowder, Johnson, Carter). There's not a single Alpha among them. Maybe McKinney, but he ain't there yet.
all the years I've watched the Giants, including defenses that were bottom feeders, I have never ever seen a defense give up so many touchdowns at the end of the first half in one year as this one does. It's unbelievable.
Even when you had guys like Jeremy Lincoln at CB, they weren't doing this. Perry Fewell's defenses didn't do this.
It's like frikken Swiss Cheese. You put any competent QB against it and they can pick it to death, and it's frikken constant. They also have real difficulty stopping the run when the other team has a semblance of a run game.
all the years I've watched the Giants, including defenses that were bottom feeders, I have never ever seen a defense give up so many touchdowns at the end of the first half in one year as this one does. It's unbelievable.
Even when you had guys like Jeremy Lincoln at CB, they weren't doing this. Perry Fewell's defenses didn't do this.
True. It is just one more annoying thing about this team that allows TDs at the end of the half. Really frustrating.
We are at least 1 solid pass rusher and 1 solid ILB from being a playoff caliber unit. But much closer than the O.
Our lack of pass rush would be killing us even more if we ever had leads in the 2nd half of games and our opponents weren't just running out the clock to close out games.
Have no idea what Bradberry was doing out there at times.
Miami scored on half of their first half drives. The defense allowed yet another 80 yard drive for a TD right before halftime. How many times has that happened this year? 10 times?
Yes they forced four straight punts in the second half, but they gave up two key drives in the 4th quarter that salted the game away for the Dolphins.
Don't get me wrong... the NYG offense lost this game, but the defense wasn't that good. This is a bad Dolphins offense that had its best player get hurt during the game.
Miami scored on half of their first half drives. The defense allowed yet another 80 yard drive for a TD right before halftime. How many times has that happened this year? 10 times?
Yes they forced four straight punts in the second half, but they gave up two key drives in the 4th quarter that salted the game away for the Dolphins.
Don't get me wrong... the NYG offense lost this game, but the defense wasn't that good. This is a bad Dolphins offense that had its best player get hurt during the game.
Completely agree. There is this misconception that this defense is elite.
In reality, they are barely average and let up long drives/points and inopportune times. And they are incapable of putting any pressure on the passer.
No, not at all. We don't stop people when we have to and we just do not dictate to the opposition in any way whatsoever..
The defense wouldn’t need to hold teams all game and make every stop if the offense could score 20+ points consistently. The offense does nothing to compliment the defense...defense holds a team in check or competes hard and the offense can’t make it interesting. Defense gets a turnover cue the 3 and out . The defense is a pash rusher away from being in that 5-8 range and maybe another linebacker .
Coming into today the Giants were conceding 23.0 PPG, ranking them 15th in the league.
Graham is a good defensive coordinator. I think he covers up a lot of issues with his scheme and what appears to be a philosophy of bending and not breaking.
This team loses football games primarily because the offensive personnel is terrible top to bottom. Getting to 20 points is a challenge for this offense, and that is untenable in the modern NFL.
by forcing the team to methodically to go down field, and thats the only way the game stays close. We really dont give up big plays. Its usually 10-12 play drives by the offense.
I am not sure Graham is a great coordinator, but he is looking at the other side of the ball and saying we have to shorten the game or else it will be even uglier.
I thought the Dolphins were serially misfiring on offense in the
2nd half. They were taking turns making drive killing mistakes. If Tua and the receivers play as well as they did in the 2nd half as the 1st, we might have lost by four TDs.
I probably won’t watch the visit to LA next week. It’s going to be brutal.
I really like Graham. It's been pretty obvious all year that the offense being bad has dictated how the Giants coach games. Graham has adapted to a system that can keep the game short and the scores low because we cannot score offensively. He can't afford to take chances and let up big plays or games would be over in the first half.
If this team could put points on the board I'd bet the defense becomes more aggressive. That's not something we'll find out this year.
I don't think the defense is a mirage they are just being asked to play the equivelant of the Devils trap to slow the game to a crawl.
I have always felt if the opposition needed to score 9 out 10 they would.
Look at last week...The Eagles dropped the winning TD pass
Miami scored on half of their first half drives. The defense allowed yet another 80 yard drive for a TD right before halftime. How many times has that happened this year? 10 times?
Yes they forced four straight punts in the second half, but they gave up two key drives in the 4th quarter that salted the game away for the Dolphins.
Don't get me wrong... the NYG offense lost this game, but the defense wasn't that good. This is a bad Dolphins offense that had its best player get hurt during the game.
We all know it's a game of synergy and great offenses can aid the defense, and vice versa. Of course, the opposite is true, and the Giants offense is doing absolutely nothing, zero, nada to help this defense. They rarely put up any points and they rarely sustain any drives, and that has the accumulative effect of leaving our defense high and dry.
The only thing I will say, plenty were busting on Graham earlier in the season but I think he's got more of clue than the HC at this point.
Translation: he'd be better at the HC gig I think.
Even when you had guys like Jeremy Lincoln at CB, they weren't doing this. Perry Fewell's defenses didn't do this.
It's like frikken Swiss Cheese. You put any competent QB against it and they can pick it to death, and it's frikken constant. They also have real difficulty stopping the run when the other team has a semblance of a run game.
Even when you had guys like Jeremy Lincoln at CB, they weren't doing this. Perry Fewell's defenses didn't do this.
True. It is just one more annoying thing about this team that allows TDs at the end of the half. Really frustrating.
Chargers will chew them up
Our lack of pass rush would be killing us even more if we ever had leads in the 2nd half of games and our opponents weren't just running out the clock to close out games.
Fins had plenty of drops which helped this D get off the field. Other than that they were just okay.
Play harder...
This defense is a mirage. They truly suck. And Graham is just another play-not-to-lose coach.
Miami scored on half of their first half drives. The defense allowed yet another 80 yard drive for a TD right before halftime. How many times has that happened this year? 10 times?
Yes they forced four straight punts in the second half, but they gave up two key drives in the 4th quarter that salted the game away for the Dolphins.
Don't get me wrong... the NYG offense lost this game, but the defense wasn't that good. This is a bad Dolphins offense that had its best player get hurt during the game.
No?
Chargers will chew them up
"You can never have too many pass rushers."
Did Gettleman forget that lesson?
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Equals a defense you can’t trust. Seems every game first half ends with a time consuming drive from the opponent
Chargers will chew them up
"You can never have too many pass rushers."
Did Gettleman forget that lesson?
Apparently you can have no pass rushers though...
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Equals a defense you can’t trust. Seems every game first half ends with a time consuming drive from the opponent
Chargers will chew them up
"You can never have too many pass rushers."
Did Gettleman forget that lesson?
That was Reese, so Gettleman doesn't believe in it.
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Equals a defense you can’t trust. Seems every game first half ends with a time consuming drive from the opponent
Chargers will chew them up
"You can never have too many pass rushers."
Did Gettleman forget that lesson?
That was Reese, so Gettleman doesn't believe in it.
Wasn’t it Accorsi, Gettleman’s mentor?
Giants' biggest mistake? Forgetting the Ernie Accorsi way - ( New Window )
Miami scored on half of their first half drives. The defense allowed yet another 80 yard drive for a TD right before halftime. How many times has that happened this year? 10 times?
Yes they forced four straight punts in the second half, but they gave up two key drives in the 4th quarter that salted the game away for the Dolphins.
Don't get me wrong... the NYG offense lost this game, but the defense wasn't that good. This is a bad Dolphins offense that had its best player get hurt during the game.
Completely agree. There is this misconception that this defense is elite.
In reality, they are barely average and let up long drives/points and inopportune times. And they are incapable of putting any pressure on the passer.
The defense wouldn’t need to hold teams all game and make every stop if the offense could score 20+ points consistently. The offense does nothing to compliment the defense...defense holds a team in check or competes hard and the offense can’t make it interesting. Defense gets a turnover cue the 3 and out . The defense is a pash rusher away from being in that 5-8 range and maybe another linebacker .
Graham is a good defensive coordinator. I think he covers up a lot of issues with his scheme and what appears to be a philosophy of bending and not breaking.
This team loses football games primarily because the offensive personnel is terrible top to bottom. Getting to 20 points is a challenge for this offense, and that is untenable in the modern NFL.
I am not sure Graham is a great coordinator, but he is looking at the other side of the ball and saying we have to shorten the game or else it will be even uglier.
I probably won’t watch the visit to LA next week. It’s going to be brutal.
If this team could put points on the board I'd bet the defense becomes more aggressive. That's not something we'll find out this year.
I don't think the defense is a mirage they are just being asked to play the equivelant of the Devils trap to slow the game to a crawl.