I get it, I really do. We want the franchise guy, we had Eli, we want the savior pronto. Problem is, he’s not here. All these guys, Corral, Pickett, Ridder, Strong, you watch them and you’ re like, “ehhhh”. You have to make up why they might be great.
But we’re so desperate we want to just reach into the unknown. Hoping that this guy will be the guy. When it’s just another failed shot in the dark.
The guy, when you watch and you know is Bryce Young. He is the legitimate modern day QB.
The Giants need to focus this year into landing him next year. Salary dump a bunch of people. Play Fromm or Glennon all year long. You really want the guy? Well I’ve seen him and he’s a year away. Everything else is just wasting time.
We need to start thinking outside the box. Had we done that, Jones would have been replaced last year.
We need to start thinking outside the box. Had we done that, Jones would have been replaced last year.
You don't want to force a pick and waste a draft pick on QB that you won't have around. Think Davis Webb and the other guy from Richmond. 3rd and 4th rounders that would have been better spent on position players. Grant it, whoever they chose probably would have been busts too.
I wonder what Curtis Painter is doing these days.
The quick fixes. The stat guys. The magical offense. Just a bunch a propaganda.
Big, strong, athletic football players win the physical battle. The QB needs to be someone that compliments that with the it factor.
And in the DG years, they missed on Barkley, Jones, Baker, Hernandez, Carter , Ximines. You cannot waste draft capital like that and expect to be competitive
CJ Stroud of Ohio State is another one. And I'm curious to see where Quinn Ewers ends up
If you sit around waiting for a "franchise guy" to fall in your lap, as a Giants fan, you're going to die of old age because you don't want to be bad enough to get a #1 overall pick. Few people here have the stomach for it.
If you sit around waiting for a "franchise guy" to fall in your lap, as a Giants fan, you're going to die of old age because you don't want to be bad enough to get a #1 overall pick. Few people here have the stomach for it.
No one?
2. One year isn't enough time to evaluate.
3. We have an empty cupboard of a roster. Blowing our 1st rounder every year to stockpile QBs isn't practical.
Let's just draft whoever the next (hopefully qualified) GM thinks is good enough if he's available. No need to repeat the Daniel Jones mistake. We have plenty of other holes to fill.
What if Corrall turns out to be a stud and Young is a bust? If you like one of the QBs this year take him. Doesn’t stop you from taking Young next year, see the Cardinals
If you sit around waiting for a "franchise guy" to fall in your lap, as a Giants fan, you're going to die of old age because you don't want to be bad enough to get a #1 overall pick. Few people here have the stomach for it.
Apologies, but a number of people thought Allen would be a monster and Mac Jones was the most pro-ready QB in that draft.
CJ Stroud of Ohio State is another one. And I'm curious to see where Quinn Ewers ends up
I just don’t think stroud is in young’s class.
Mayfield Darnell Rosen Allen comes to mind (only Allen was worth it).
Innovative and out of the box. Imagine that really happened? Giants have selected 9 qbs!
It's not as simple as saying: draft a QB this year and, if you're not sold on him after a year, draft another one next year.
It's not as simple as saying: draft a QB this year and, if you're not sold on him after a year, draft another one next year.
Who said he won’t play next year? I doubt they’d play Jones over a 1st round pick
Agreed bill. And remove the clutter like Barkley for draft capital.
I tend to agree. Nice college QB. Not sold on him as a lottery pick.
Stroud is a better prospect. That's why Quinn Ewers, an excellent QB prospect, is leaving OSU for the transfer portal.
Then, we need to control the line of scrimmage on defense. Stop the run and rush the passer.
MOST of our moves for the next two years should be focused in these two areas.
And three "build the lines first" talk is nonsense. Football doesn't work that way. You don't just complete one area and move to the next.
And three "build the lines first" talk is nonsense. Football doesn't work that way. You don't just complete one area and move to the next.
Who are you, Gettleman?
The reality is you aren’t going to draft a elite QB. You want someone that can finish when the team around him is real good. Biggest mistake most make is thinking the QB fixes all. So common nowadays.
Obviously, if you think it's a good class and there's someone worth taking in the top 10, then ya, that person might play over Jones in year 1.
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the Giants don't have a quarterback. Drafting one should absolutely be in play.
And three "build the lines first" talk is nonsense. Football doesn't work that way. You don't just complete one area and move to the next.
Who are you, Gettleman? It's really apparent that you have a little more confident in our offensive linemen than most of us do (paraphrase). And you're happy with the group we have.
See which ones work out and then draft another 2 in 2023
And in the interim the Giants can trade for Wilson and pick up a couple of free agent qbs.
If this works the Giants can play them at multiple positions.
Fatten a couple up for th OL, then convert a couple to play DL, Edge and Linebacker.
But, make certain that Jones is discarded or maybe he can play TE.
Dont force a pick anywhere. BPA based on relative positional value.
And three "build the lines first" talk is nonsense. Football doesn't work that way. You don't just complete one area and move to the next.
The OL and DL was damn near a finished product when Eli was drafted, so it’s definitely not nonsense. Especially when the trenches have been trash for a decade and the primary cause for organizational shittiness over said decade.
The value is going to be there in the draft to truly fix the OL/DL. If they don’t take advantage of the opportunity get ready for another 5+ years of shittiness.
The reality is you aren’t going to draft a elite QB. You want someone that can finish when the team around him is real good. Biggest mistake most make is thinking the QB fixes all. So common nowadays.
Here is what most don't realize - if you selecting a QB in the lottery, you really need to be selecting a player with "plus" physical/football attributes. High ceiling guys. And hopefully that player has good college production.
That was the problem with taking Jones. Low ceiling. He doesn't have any plus attributes outside of straight-line speed and he wasn't really that great at Duke. He was a second-third round project - at best.
Josh Allen is a great example of doing the right scouting. Big, fast, great arm, improvisor and some decent work at Wyoming. So the Bills drafted a player with great attributes and he was developed by great coaching by Dabol and Dorsey.
In this draft, there are prospects with excellent physical attributes -like Ridder, Willis, Picket. Even Corral, who I don't like as a lottery pick because of his body type, has a terrific arm and mobility.
This is an underrated QB class for '22...
Mahomes, Brady, Eli, Wilson, we need to find the guy.
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That kid has it though. Size is a concern. He had everything else.
The reality is you aren’t going to draft a elite QB. You want someone that can finish when the team around him is real good. Biggest mistake most make is thinking the QB fixes all. So common nowadays.
Here is what most don't realize - if you selecting a QB in the lottery, you really need to be selecting a player with "plus" physical/football attributes. High ceiling guys. And hopefully that player has good college production.
That was the problem with taking Jones. Low ceiling. He doesn't have any plus attributes outside of straight-line speed and he wasn't really that great at Duke. He was a second-third round project - at best.
Josh Allen is a great example of doing the right scouting. Big, fast, great arm, improvisor and some decent work at Wyoming. So the Bills drafted a player with great attributes and he was developed by great coaching by Dabol and Dorsey.
In this draft, there are prospects with excellent physical attributes -like Ridder, Willis, Picket. Even Corral, who I don't like as a lottery pick because of his body type, has a terrific arm and mobility.
This is an underrated QB class for '22...
You’re wrong every time on QBs so the ‘22 class is probably just as shitty as advertised.
Not the same at all. There are multiple high level, highly regarded OL and Edge guys coming out. QBs not so much.
I agree about draft allocation. Great lines can be built after the second round. Having that good left tackle is a big plus. Look at the last great Giants line. The one in the 80’s..
Football is a team game. QB is a big part. They all need help.
Terps believes in a fantasy QB. Good luck waiting for decades in some cases. Plenty of franchises still looking for one without addressing the root causes.
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That kid has it though. Size is a concern. He had everything else.
The reality is you aren’t going to draft a elite QB. You want someone that can finish when the team around him is real good. Biggest mistake most make is thinking the QB fixes all. So common nowadays.
Here is what most don't realize - if you selecting a QB in the lottery, you really need to be selecting a player with "plus" physical/football attributes. High ceiling guys. And hopefully that player has good college production.
That was the problem with taking Jones. Low ceiling. He doesn't have any plus attributes outside of straight-line speed and he wasn't really that great at Duke. He was a second-third round project - at best.
Josh Allen is a great example of doing the right scouting. Big, fast, great arm, improvisor and some decent work at Wyoming. So the Bills drafted a player with great attributes and he was developed by great coaching by Dabol and Dorsey.
In this draft, there are prospects with excellent physical attributes -like Ridder, Willis, Picket. Even Corral, who I don't like as a lottery pick because of his body type, has a terrific arm and mobility.
This is an underrated QB class for '22...
Willis would be a horrible early pick, he is not ready for this level...
If the line is good, you are probably drafting In the double digits or upper singles if you are a bad team, , and you are then looking to spend even more to move up and get a top prospect.
Take the right prospect whenever they present themselves. I bet some of you try to time investing in the market too.
And three "build the lines first" talk is nonsense. Football doesn't work that way. You don't just complete one area and move to the next.
Unless you know you have an elite QB there when you pick, you absolutely do the next best thing which is get stronger in the trenches.