The QB you all want is not in this draft. He will be in ‘23

In comment 15483458 dpinzow said:

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In comment 15483439 Jim in Forest Hills said: Quote: and the Giants can once again draft a QB this year hoping he's the guy. Only issue is no one has seen this guy yet. I'll say it again, if the new GM sees "the guy" like say its Corral and he knows this kid is legit, take him! Great example is Russell Wilson, went in the 3rd rd. I'll tell you what, all the Badger fans knew he'd be good, kid was just shredding opponents, throwing and running. But when you saw him, you knew. That's Bryce Young, you just know the kid is legit by what he does on the field. I would add CJ Stroud and Caleb Williams to that list. The problem we've got is the can't miss QB's aren't available until 2023 and 2024

I'll watch Williams more closely, I think Stroud is a notch below Young. I know Young is skinny but the kid is so smart with his movement, he will not get hammered like Jones does. And thats why they should be planning for 2023! Don't reach!

In comment 15482978 Go Terps said:

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the Giants don't have a quarterback. Drafting one should absolutely be in play. And three "build the lines first" talk is nonsense. Football doesn't work that way. You don't just complete one area and move to the next.

Drafting a QB every year is beyond ridiculous. No one has ever done it because it's so ignorant to even try.

But -- consider the source that is recommending it.

IN addition, of course you aren't bright enough to understand that when most people say build the OL - they aren't just going to feel like Giants should only draft OL.

So it's undoubtedly a good idea ot draft a QB while your OL
sucks?

next thread will be on Arch Manning

In comment 15483067 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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He wasn't at all a top level can't miss pick. His appeal was always "if you can fix x, y, z" which simply isn't the definition of a top tier prospect. You can't tell me looking at his profile years ago that that's a guy you would have felt comfortable picking.

Absolutely correct. The big question was accuracy and timing. Ordinarily you can't coach accuracy, but you can devise an offense that caters to a QBs strength and that's precisely what good coordinators do. Brian Dabol, Greg Roman, Kyle Shanahan, Matt Lafleurs all do it with very different QBs with varying skill sets. The modern NFL is about the system more than the player. Finding the right system to fit your strength is what works. Actually you can add Shurmur to that list as well. Jones played his best under him for that very reason.

of how preseason QB rankings get flipped on their head once the postseason evaluation process is complete and we get to the draft.

There were people constantly talking him up as a 1st rounder during the season.

Bryce Young is the most sure think QB prospect I have seen in a long time, maybe ever. There is always reason to be nitpicky or have doubts about a college player transitioning to the pros but I can 't think of any for this kid. Runs a pro style offense against top talent, makes the right decisions, prefers to throw from the pocket but knows when to bail, solid mechanics but with the ability to improvise and throw on the run from any platform because of ++ arm talent. You couldn't build a better QB in a lab.

Unfortunately you can't count on landing a guy that's certain to go 1st overall 18 months from now. Football just doesn't work like that. With that said there is no top talent at the QB position this year so roll with Jones on a cheap contract for 2022 and see what happens when he comes out.

Besides Young and Stroud, there are several other intriguing prospects who may elevate their draft position in 2023
Phil Jurkovec
Grayson McCall
Will Rogers
Sam Hartman

Unless Fromm is something, there is no viable 2022 starter on the roster.

To emphasize - this does not mean the Giants must take a quarterback in the first round or even take one at all at any point in the draft.

However, they should do extensive homework on the quarterbacks in this draft and be ready to draft one if the right opportunity arises. Don't force a pick - just be ready if the value aligns with the pick.

But this also goes for every other position - including OL and EDGE...two positions at which everybody seems happy to force a pick.

I'm looking forward to Sy's scouting reports, especially on the quarterbacks. I don't buy the "weak QB class" talk.

In comment 15483641 giantstock said:

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In comment 15482978 Go Terps said: Quote: the Giants don't have a quarterback. Drafting one should absolutely be in play. And three "build the lines first" talk is nonsense. Football doesn't work that way. You don't just complete one area and move to the next. Drafting a QB every year is beyond ridiculous. No one has ever done it because it's so ignorant to even try. But -- consider the source that is recommending it.

I'm sorry but... where does the post you're responding to say a QB should be drafted every year?

In comment 15484058 Go Terps said:

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Unless Fromm is something, there is no viable 2022 starter on the roster. To emphasize - this does not mean the Giants must take a quarterback in the first round or even take one at all at any point in the draft. However, they should do extensive homework on the quarterbacks in this draft and be ready to draft one if the right opportunity arises. Don't force a pick - just be ready if the value aligns with the pick. But this also goes for every other position - including OL and EDGE...two positions at which everybody seems happy to force a pick. I'm looking forward to Sy's scouting reports, especially on the quarterbacks. I don't buy the "weak QB class" talk.

This is fair, I'm of a similar mindset. Let the new GM make this call, I (as a fan) don't see that QB, that's where we disagree.

In comment 15483321 Jim in Forest Hills said:

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In comment 15483189 NoGainDayne said: Quote: I really wouldn't mind moving one of our picks for a first round pick next year (and this year) plus hopefully another higher one (2 or 3) in either of the next two years. If we could get a package like that it would be a good idea to move down even a bit this year. Yes, 100%. Since the Giants are in cap hell, they can't make any big moves. In fact I suspect they will cut some high priced guys or trade them if at all possible. I'd trade BArkley, Jones, Bradbury, Adoree Jackson, Logan Ryan. Pretty much anyone for draft capital. I'd move one of our 1st rd picks down too, especially with a team like the Falcons (a team that is still trying to win but doesnt know the window has closed) for a 1st pick next year. Get the ammo now and yes, they need to tank. Trot out Fromm and Booker out there. Most of our skill guys will get hurt midseason anyway. Bryce Young in 2023 with young tackles and cap flexibility should be the next step for this franchise.

Agreed 100%. I'd even go farther to say that regardless of the moves they make in the offseason. If the Giants finally sack up, eat some dead money, make ZERO moves to try to compete in 2022 and stockpile picks i'll feel like they finally get it.

If they actually trade Jones I'll be floored and convinced the new person they brought in actually has some power.

First. No matter who the QB is. Wake up people.

then trade down this year's #1s and collect a few extra #1s for 2023.