Mara’s opinion on draft day talent carries an extra undue amount of weight and influence and that the past ten year poor draft record may in part be due to this.
Cris agreeing with the draft consensus might not be the best thing.
this thread now reminds me of a personal situation and this goes back 20 years when my father in law was still alive and had an interior contracting business.
He specialized in commercial interior contracting. Installing/removing walls in office buildings, drop ceilings, etc. So, his clients were professionals.
It was a small company. Himself, some workers and my mother in law who was the office person.
My mother in law in my opinion held the company back. She was the one who would type up the estimates. However, she was in the stone age and did it on an old typewriter. I tried to bring some technology to her so that these things looked more professional. However, the stubbornness was incredible.
I have no doubt there are many jobs they did not get because the proposals looked like they were done in 1960. I saw a few of them and in some cases, the ink was not dark enough because the ink ribbon was worn out.
This unwillingness to change is what I see in the Giants too.
he can’t but he only knows one way to fix it- more of the same. For example, does anyone think that when he dies the interview process for next GM, he WON’T put conditions on it (ie: keep the HC and QB)? He’s so concerned with optics, he can’t help himself.
First he’s been doing whatever he does since the early 2000’s. He’s had a couple of similar titles but same job, And remember a few years ago when he went to the Kentucky Derby instead of the draft because he said he really didn’t have a role on draft day and folks here killed him for that. Now, he supposedly has too much influence and folks here are killing him for that. Which is it.
It not Chris Mara it’s DG. It’s his draft, his college scouting director, his scouting hires, his evaluation scheme, his draft board and his plan. He has the final say And all of it is a failure.
First he’s been doing whatever he does since the early 2000’s. He’s had a couple of similar titles but same job, And remember a few years ago when he went to the Kentucky Derby instead of the draft because he said he really didn’t have a role on draft day and folks here killed him for that. Now, he supposedly has too much influence and folks here are killing him for that. Which is it.
It not Chris Mara it’s DG. It’s his draft, his college scouting director, his scouting hires, his evaluation scheme, his draft board and his plan. He has the final say And all of it is a failure.
You never say or provide evidence of whether or not he was any good at what he was doing!
First he’s been doing whatever he does since the early 2000’s. He’s had a couple of similar titles but same job, And remember a few years ago when he went to the Kentucky Derby instead of the draft because he said he really didn’t have a role on draft day and folks here killed him for that. Now, he supposedly has too much influence and folks here are killing him for that. Which is it.
It not Chris Mara it’s DG. It’s his draft, his college scouting director, his scouting hires, his evaluation scheme, his draft board and his plan. He has the final say And all of it is a failure.
You never say or provide evidence of whether or not he was any good at what he was doing!
He was there prior to and during the Reese tenure that gave us a couple of SB. He was a scout during the 86 and 90 SB wins. What evidence can you provide as to whether or not he was any good at what he was doing.
First he’s been doing whatever he does since the early 2000’s. He’s had a couple of similar titles but same job, And remember a few years ago when he went to the Kentucky Derby instead of the draft because he said he really didn’t have a role on draft day and folks here killed him for that. Now, he supposedly has too much influence and folks here are killing him for that. Which is it.
It not Chris Mara it’s DG. It’s his draft, his college scouting director, his scouting hires, his evaluation scheme, his draft board and his plan. He has the final say And all of it is a failure.
You never say or provide evidence of whether or not he was any good at what he was doing!
He was there prior to and during the Reese tenure that gave us a couple of SB. He was a scout during the 86 and 90 SB wins. What evidence can you provide as to whether or not he was any good at what he was doing.
in whatever position they want to create. Look at the vaunted Cowboys. Jerry, Sr. is listed as GM. Steven Jones is listed as CEO, Executive VP and Director of Player Personnel. Charlotte Jones is an Executive VP and Chief Brand Officer. Jerry, Jr. is another Executive VP and Chief Sales and Marketing Officer.
Clearly nepotism reigns in Dallas and for at least this year that has been no detriment to success. There's a lot of reasons for any team's success or failure. For the Giants' current ineptitude, nepotism is way down the list.
But there’s also talented and effective nepotism as
in whatever position they want to create. Look at the vaunted Cowboys. Jerry, Sr. is listed as GM. Steven Jones is listed as CEO, Executive VP and Director of Player Personnel. Charlotte Jones is an Executive VP and Chief Brand Officer. Jerry, Jr. is another Executive VP and Chief Sales and Marketing Officer.
Clearly nepotism reigns in Dallas and for at least this year that has been no detriment to success. There's a lot of reasons for any team's success or failure. For the Giants' current ineptitude, nepotism is way down the list.
The difference in Dallas is that Will McClay is actually running their drafts. He doesn't have Stephen Jones saying "well, I think this player is better, draft him instead" like his father used to do.
Regardless of what Chris Mara does or does not do, he isn't the REAL problem.
The REAL problem is John Mara because he is the owner and lead operator of the team. He has the authority and ability to change anything and everything. But so far he has shown that he's a complete zero as an owner.
other than job title, does anyone know what he really does, how much influence he has, what his role really is in player evaluation?
Former NFL executive Michael Lombardi, in a column for The Athletic, explains how all this applies to the Giants these days and is the source of their current issues:
The Giants are a family-run organization and even though Dave Gettleman is the GM in title, John Mara’s brother Chris is also involved in the personnel decisions and carries a Vice President title.
Chris’ background has always been in scouting, working from the bottom of the organization to the top. He has paid his dues and worked hard to become a Vice President, however, because he is also a part owner, his voice has supreme clout. Some might view the Giants as having three GMs: the Mara brothers and Gettleman. And when an NFL team has a committee running their future, they have zero chance to win. Link - ( New Window )
That's how John thinks.
He specialized in commercial interior contracting. Installing/removing walls in office buildings, drop ceilings, etc. So, his clients were professionals.
It was a small company. Himself, some workers and my mother in law who was the office person.
My mother in law in my opinion held the company back. She was the one who would type up the estimates. However, she was in the stone age and did it on an old typewriter. I tried to bring some technology to her so that these things looked more professional. However, the stubbornness was incredible.
I have no doubt there are many jobs they did not get because the proposals looked like they were done in 1960. I saw a few of them and in some cases, the ink was not dark enough because the ink ribbon was worn out.
This unwillingness to change is what I see in the Giants too.
It not Chris Mara it’s DG. It’s his draft, his college scouting director, his scouting hires, his evaluation scheme, his draft board and his plan. He has the final say And all of it is a failure.
It not Chris Mara it’s DG. It’s his draft, his college scouting director, his scouting hires, his evaluation scheme, his draft board and his plan. He has the final say And all of it is a failure.
You never say or provide evidence of whether or not he was any good at what he was doing!
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First he’s been doing whatever he does since the early 2000’s. He’s had a couple of similar titles but same job, And remember a few years ago when he went to the Kentucky Derby instead of the draft because he said he really didn’t have a role on draft day and folks here killed him for that. Now, he supposedly has too much influence and folks here are killing him for that. Which is it.
It not Chris Mara it’s DG. It’s his draft, his college scouting director, his scouting hires, his evaluation scheme, his draft board and his plan. He has the final say And all of it is a failure.
You never say or provide evidence of whether or not he was any good at what he was doing!
He was there prior to and during the Reese tenure that gave us a couple of SB. He was a scout during the 86 and 90 SB wins. What evidence can you provide as to whether or not he was any good at what he was doing.
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First he’s been doing whatever he does since the early 2000’s. He’s had a couple of similar titles but same job, And remember a few years ago when he went to the Kentucky Derby instead of the draft because he said he really didn’t have a role on draft day and folks here killed him for that. Now, he supposedly has too much influence and folks here are killing him for that. Which is it.
It not Chris Mara it’s DG. It’s his draft, his college scouting director, his scouting hires, his evaluation scheme, his draft board and his plan. He has the final say And all of it is a failure.
You never say or provide evidence of whether or not he was any good at what he was doing!
He was there prior to and during the Reese tenure that gave us a couple of SB. He was a scout during the 86 and 90 SB wins. What evidence can you provide as to whether or not he was any good at what he was doing.
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prior and was are not strong indications of exceptional talent evaluation skill.
Clearly nepotism reigns in Dallas and for at least this year that has been no detriment to success. There's a lot of reasons for any team's success or failure. For the Giants' current ineptitude, nepotism is way down the list.
Clearly nepotism reigns in Dallas and for at least this year that has been no detriment to success. There's a lot of reasons for any team's success or failure. For the Giants' current ineptitude, nepotism is way down the list.
The difference in Dallas is that Will McClay is actually running their drafts. He doesn't have Stephen Jones saying "well, I think this player is better, draft him instead" like his father used to do.
The REAL problem is John Mara because he is the owner and lead operator of the team. He has the authority and ability to change anything and everything. But so far he has shown that he's a complete zero as an owner.
Former NFL executive Michael Lombardi, in a column for The Athletic, explains how all this applies to the Giants these days and is the source of their current issues:
The Giants are a family-run organization and even though Dave Gettleman is the GM in title, John Mara’s brother Chris is also involved in the personnel decisions and carries a Vice President title.
Chris’ background has always been in scouting, working from the bottom of the organization to the top. He has paid his dues and worked hard to become a Vice President, however, because he is also a part owner, his voice has supreme clout. Some might view the Giants as having three GMs: the Mara brothers and Gettleman. And when an NFL team has a committee running their future, they have zero chance to win.
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