My non-emotional thoughts from yesterday’s game. As always, feel free to add your own, comment on mine etc…
20-9 loss to a hot a Miami team without our starting QB, frustrating for a few reasons but mainly because this is a game a lot of people penciled in as a win at the start of the season. We now sit at 4-8 and have 5 more weeks left in the season which are going to feature exciting things for Giants fans such as getting to see Jake Fromm start a game… Not that any of you need my permission for this, but its okay to be frustrated.
Offense:
• Ugh…..
• Tough task taking on an aggressive defense with a poor offensive line, specifically when you factor in an immobile back up QB. End result was 9 points and a lot of broken remotes in houses of Giants fans
• I write these each week and want to comment on the OLine every week because it’s a massive part of the offense. However, there’s very little to talk about at this point in the season that isn’t beating a dead horse. They’re bad, they’ve gotten worse under Gettleman’s term. We all know these things. It also effects every skill position on the field negatively
• Glennon was bad, partially because of the OLine and partially because he was just bad. His footwork in the pocket was atrocious, he missed wide open receivers and there were times where he literally just froze. Even more frustrating was how many times the team got to the line with 12-15 seconds yet he’s rushing to get the snap with 0 on the play clock. Outside of the first batch of scripted plays he never looked like he had command of the offense
• I know he got a concussion during the game, I just haven’t heard when it happened yet, if he played most of the game with it then a lot would be explained…
• Notable that 2 weeks in a row our QB played the entire game then came out as injured afterwards. Very, very odd
• Looking at our skill positions there was a mixed bag. I hate to say it but the one I’d point out as having the best game was Evan Engram. He had some good 3rd down catches, didn’t seem to screw up (which he does a lot) and played a solid game, kudos to him
• Clearly it was planned for Golladay to have a big game. He started out playing pretty solidly but got hurt in the 2nd quarter only to return in the 2nd half but sit for the last couple drives
• On the Golladay injury, its almost amazing to me how many injuries we’ve had this year at skill position. Much like talking about the OLine, this is beating a dead horse at this point, but we need to take a serious look at our S& C team in the offseason. Remember this is a new group as Aaron Wellman left after last year
• Barkley and Booker ran okay, nothing more than that. Barkley was a mixed bag catching the ball making a couple tough 1 handed catches early on but also dropping a couple. 2 weeks in row now he has broken a long run, it’d be nice to see him have a big game by the end of the year
Defense:
• Gave up 20pts to an offense that isn’t exactly lighting the world on fire but has been at least efficient. This was an odd match up for us as Miami excels at the type of plays we usually give an offense. Not a poor showing by any means but not a great one either
• If you hold an opponent to 20 or under, you should win in the modern NFL…
• As I mentioned it was our bend but don’t break defense against the “take the 4-yards" offense, the game really played out as scripted. Miami was held to 6 yards per passing attempt and 2.7 per rushing attempt. If we had an offense that was able to get us a lead Miami would have had a very hard time playing catch up
• On Miami’s side I think Jaylen Waddle needs more attention nationally. Its nice that they talked him up so much on the broadcast, but he seems to be getting lost in the shuffle when looking at the entire NFL. The kids on pace for 100+ catches and 1000+ receiving yards his rookie year. Far more productive than anyone we have on our team
• Mentioning Waddle, this is where Adoree being out hurt us. His skill set lines up to covering Waddle much better than Bradberry’s. In a perfect world we’d be matching up Waddle/Jackson, Parker/Bradberry and Geiscki/Robinson. We would have still needed our offense to score more than 9 points even if Jackson played…
• I’m starting to like Robinson while we’re talking about him. He’s young, he really didn’t have an offseason and he plays a tough position for rookies, but there’s something there. Yeah he’ll give some plays up but I’m excited to see how he develops. He has good size and moves well, I’m very much hoping he continues to develop
• Congratulations to Ojulari for breaking the Giants rookie sack record. Double digits for the season is within reach for him which I wouldn’t have guessed starting the season. Azeez still needs to be more consistent, he disappears for long stretches then flashes with a play like the sack
• Roche with another sack, I have no illusions that he’s ever going to turn into a pro bowler, but he’s shown he can be a good roll player to rotate and play in packages. Hopefully next year he’s the 3rd guy in a rotation with Ojulari and a high draft pick (I’m still praying Hutchison falls to us)
• We do have another young pass rusher and we are starting to see Elerson Smith get into the game, so far he really hasn’t produced but, like Robinson, he didn’t really have a preseason and was a developmental prospect to start with. Expectations should be low (we hear this too much)
Conclusion:
We go to LA next week to play a team with a good young QB that can light up the scoreboard. This game we will most likely start Jake Fromm who is entering his 7th day with the team. It will be an interesting week in the media for sure… Rather than harp on that I’d like to mention a few things I want to see in our next game:
• No stupid time outs
• Aggressive play calling that is made with the intention of playing to win rather than playing to not lose
• Barkley to take one of his long runs to the house
• Have a skill player score a TD
It’s a dumb list but its things we haven’t been doing. All us Giants fans are stuck watching a December game with Jake Fromm as QB, at least give us something entertaining.
two things:
Glennon's concussion - too me he feel apart in the 3rd qtr. Froze, couldn't make a decision where to throw. But that he finished the game means he probably had a "mild" concussion that was not obvious to the staff.
Golladay's injury appears to have been a cheap shot after his back shoulder catch early in the 2nd. He popped up and a Dolphin LB ran up to him and whacked the ball out of his hands while delivering an elbow shot to his ribs. On replay you could see him wince.
You should copy and paste your points to save time on a weekly basis.
Judge has had 28 NFL games under his belt and should have a better handle on clock and game management by now. The way he continues to use timeouts is just baffling. Yesterday was a new low with his mismanagement calling timeout before the end of the 1st quarter and then again to avoid a delay of game on 2nd and 23. With this team was 2nd and 28 going to make that big of a difference?
And can we please look at bringing in a new punter? Dixon is just bad and among the worst in the league in net average. If Judge is going to continue to play a "not to lose" and conservative, field position game then you need a punter who pins the ball inside the 10 yard line consistently. No sense punting from midfield or inside opponent territory just to kick it into the end zone. This is just bad special teams football.
Golladay's injury appears to have been a cheap shot after his back shoulder catch early in the 2nd. He popped up and a Dolphin LB ran up to him and whacked the ball out of his hands while delivering an elbow shot to his ribs. On replay you could see him wince.
I was thinking the same thing and when it happened I was surprised there was no flag for a late hit.
(To copy Judge) with that being said:
Barkley, even in long runs shows he isn't back- he lacks the full burst and still seems to be "ready" to go down. he also oddly slows and almost becomes upright when he gears down- I wonder if that is a bye product of last years injury (moment of injury)..
I don't really even care anymore about being aggressive etc. as I have seen enough from Judge and this staff. No guts, no feel for the game and a true Mike Zimmer like quality for self inflicted wounds.
At this point Peart should play just to determine if he is on the team going forward beyond 21- not even if he can be a starter.
Ellerson Smith needs to play more to get the experience he needs after not playing in 2020 (College) and missing most of this year.
Brightwell needs to get playing time..
Lastly:
1) DG needs to go immediately after the season.
2) JJ needs to go if our new GM wants him gone.
3) DJ's needs to go and we need to look to rebuild in 2022 with a TON of picks and no expectation but being ready to compete for 2023 .
I can't for the life of me figure out why people get so emotional after a loss like this. We're a bad team, on the road, with an abysmal offensive line, playing a career backup with no athleticism at QB. What did people expect? We were underdogs for a reason.
I, for the most part, thought the Giants played hard. It was a close-ish game in which if we had any kind of offense whatsoever, maybe could have been closer, but credit to the coaches for keeping it close.
Much like last year, my conclusion was "well coached, outmanned." This falls squarely on Gettleman (and, to be fair, injuries), not on the coaches or even the players. The players that are actually on the field are trying hard, they're just not very good...
I wish Glennon the best, health-wise - but I'd prefer to see Fromm next week. I think it's time to try some new personnel across the offense and start evaluating for the future. Never thought I'd say this, but we really missed Colt McCoy yesterday. Some of those ducks Glennon threw really killed us, and like you said - we couldn't have picked a worse game to throw a statue behind center.
I was thinking just a large picture of Charlie Brown yelling it
Judge has had 28 NFL games under his belt and should have a better handle on clock and game management by now. The way he continues to use timeouts is just baffling. Yesterday was a new low with his mismanagement calling timeout before the end of the 1st quarter and then again to avoid a delay of game on 2nd and 23. With this team was 2nd and 28 going to make that big of a difference?
And can we please look at bringing in a new punter? Dixon is just bad and among the worst in the league in net average. If Judge is going to continue to play a "not to lose" and conservative, field position game then you need a punter who pins the ball inside the 10 yard line consistently. No sense punting from midfield or inside opponent territory just to kick it into the end zone. This is just bad special teams football.
Agree on nice job. Let’s all get past the timeouts and punter. Neither one effected the outcome of the game. Fix the big stuff and stop worrying about this shit. O line yes. QB play yes. Barkley drops yes.
Standing OB after the catch and the Miami LB comes flying across elbow out and hits Golloday right in the ribs.
I saw several Miami tacklers leading with their elbows. Not sure they teach that in tackling drills.
Yikes, that says a lot.
Standing OB after the catch and the Miami LB comes flying across elbow out and hits Golloday right in the ribs.
I saw several Miami tacklers leading with their elbows. Not sure they teach that in tackling drills.
That makes three of us on this thread that saw the same thing...
At least they excelled somewhere...
I doubt the Chargers light up the defense, but your field goal observation is spot on...
Maybe, but I don't think so. The more it is brought up nationally how pathetic we are, how much of a joke we have become, the less likely that scenario above holds water. Though, a loss to the eagles would have helped push this change idea along a bit faster.
I can't for the life of me figure out why people get so emotional after a loss like this. We're a bad team, on the road, with an abysmal offensive line, playing a career backup with no athleticism at QB. What did people expect? We were underdogs for a reason.
I, for the most part, thought the Giants played hard. It was a close-ish game in which if we had any kind of offense whatsoever, maybe could have been closer, but credit to the coaches for keeping it close.
Much like last year, my conclusion was "well coached, outmanned." This falls squarely on Gettleman (and, to be fair, injuries), not on the coaches or even the players. The players that are actually on the field are trying hard, they're just not very good...
I would really question the idea that this was a well coached team. Fans are pissed at this game, regardless of the result, because:
* The team looked confused on offense, not getting to the line until less than 15 seconds on the play clock...
* ...Which led to burning a timeout to avoid a delay of game on 2nd and 23, and then an actual delay of game two plays later;
* Multiple drops and shitting blocking from Barkley, again...
* A defensive strategy that played exactly into Miami's strengths - short high-percentage passes. We gave that to them almost the whole game. Bradberry in particular was horrible (again) playing 4 yards off his man routinely, including at the goal line.
* In the 4th quarter, down by 11 but still very much a ball game with over 8 minutes left and starting at their own 42, the Giants show zero urgency, not even rushing to huddle after a play, and they took 3:45 to go all of 25 yards for a FG.
All that shit is on player focus (with regard to Barkley) and coaching and preparedness. It was beyond frustrating to watch.
Losing is one thing, but
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are really helping the giants potentially do giants things in the offseason.... which is to say its not our fault we just got hurt... and then not overhaul the whole fking thing like they should
Maybe, but I don't think so. The more it is brought up nationally how pathetic we are, how much of a joke we have become, the less likely that scenario above holds water. Though, a loss to the eagles would have helped push this change idea along a bit faster.
+1. I don't think the Maras can or will use injuries as an excuse again to avoid a complete reboot. There will be major changes. Whether that includes firing Judge is still unknown, but another absurdly bad season means that a major overhaul is likely coming.
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are really helping the giants potentially do giants things in the offseason.... which is to say its not our fault we just got hurt... and then not overhaul the whole fking thing like they should
Maybe, but I don't think so. The more it is brought up nationally how pathetic we are, how much of a joke we have become, the less likely that scenario above holds water. Though, a loss to the eagles would have helped push this change idea along a bit faster.
I don't think so either.
I am betting the owners have had all they can take with the results of this regime, and things will get shaken up in the Front Office and on the field...
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are really helping the giants potentially do giants things in the offseason.... which is to say its not our fault we just got hurt... and then not overhaul the whole fking thing like they should
Maybe, but I don't think so. The more it is brought up nationally how pathetic we are, how much of a joke we have become, the less likely that scenario above holds water. Though, a loss to the eagles would have helped push this change idea along a bit faster.
I don't think so either.
I am betting the owners have had all they can take with the results of this regime, and things will get shaken up in the Front Office and on the field...
I have the same stance as you. I still think Judge is back for 1 more year but we'll at least get a new GM who will be expected to make some (hopefully positive) changes to the organization.
Despite that, I don't see a scenario where Chris Mara goes anywhere unless he makes the decision to retire on his own...
I know people are pissed at Judge (deservedly so), but Gettleman and Giants FO ignored the obvious problems with the OL last year and passed on multiple OL in the draft (including Slater) while proclaiming that the OL was basically fixed. The results on the field is the result of top-down organizational failure to self-evaluate and make adjustments based on where the league is headed. Expecting this team to take their proverbially heads from their rears and start making sound roster decisions with the current slew of cronies is just whistling in the wind. It would be better to just blow it up and start all over.
The timeouts are confusing. I dont understand the logic and if judge is calling them it needs to be addressed. Not going for it on 4th and 3 was a gutless move too. Show the players some balls. For a STs coordinator we run everything so vanilla on specials. I see no creativity. Also Dixon is terrible compared to the Miami kicker. I have been to a lot of games and his kicks do not stack up. No hang time, short distance.
Elerson Smith is not built for the NFL yet, he looks like he needs to add strength and bulk. He is thin and doesnt look strong but hopefully the skills are there. Ojulari looks much bulkier and I thought he played well. He looks like he will be a good one. They are asking a lot of him.
One thing I was surprised to see was Daniel Jones not only at the game but throwing during warmups. A neck injury and riding on a plane doesnt seem like the smartest thing. Just seemed odd to me he was out giving chest bumps and running around.
I like A-Rob too.
Why is Mike Glenon on this team? The Giants should have had someone to either challenge Jones or augment his inevitable injury. Just another Getty failure.
On the plus side he had 2 hard runs up the middle that we haven't seen from him in a long time. They weren't huge gainers ( 4 yards apiece) but they weren't 1-2 yard losses. If he can get back to that I feel he will have much more success.
On the plus side he had 2 hard runs up the middle that we haven't seen from him in a long time. They weren't huge gainers ( 4 yards apiece) but they weren't 1-2 yard losses. If he can get back to that I feel he will have much more success.
Saquon's game pre-knee was changing direction on a dime, with instant acceleration. He lost the ability to do that, but still runs like he can. So more often than not he basically stops and gets tackled before he can evade anyone.