Players and Lillard are frustrated playing for Billups, Lillard wanted a coach who had already been a head coach and has now grown frustrated with the blazers...
He wants a roster shakeup and wants another star, he wants the blazers to trade for Simmons because he feels it would move him over into a scoring role while Simmons can distribute and defende..
Blazers had a deal on the table of Mccollum and multiple 1sts and swaps for Simmons but balked..
So now do the Blazers go all in and trade for Simmons or do the Blazers blow it up and trade Dame?
Well the question is do they want to keep Dame happy or ship him off
They have no problem taking the 40 million given to them by the team and then complain why they cant compete?
Really like Lillard and that team in general so this sucks from a fans standpoint.
They have no problem taking the 40 million given to them by the team and then complain why they cant compete?
To be fair Lillard is one of the superstars who has been most loyal
Really like Lillard and that team in general so this sucks from a fans standpoint.
I ahte Simmons, but if he would embrace being Draymond Green for a team, with a player like Lillard playing off of him and 3 shooters around them like they do in GS it would work..
3 guys who will play defense, with Simmons basically playing the 5 and 1 with Lillard playing off of him, it could work fine..
I dont know if he is declining, the style of offense or just the overally mediocrity of the team is effecting him
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the amount of crying that comes from the players in this league.
They have no problem taking the 40 million given to them by the team and then complain why they cant compete?
To be fair Lillard is one of the superstars who has been most loyal
He has, but he had to see the writing on the wall with the West getting better and better each year and they stayed pretty much status quo. I mean who was the best player they have brought in? Powell fir Trent? Covington?
They neede to trade McCollum years ago. Hes a good player but not the guy to pair with Lillard.
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if those are the only 2 options. They may miss the playoffs this year so his attitude will worsen over time, there's no fixing it unless they start winning and 1. Simmons doesn't move the needle enough and 2. his contract absolutely blows for his level of play, one I wouldn't want. Trading for him really reduces flexibility over the next few years.
Really like Lillard and that team in general so this sucks from a fans standpoint.
I ahte Simmons, but if he would embrace being Draymond Green for a team, with a player like Lillard playing off of him and 3 shooters around them like they do in GS it would work..
3 guys who will play defense, with Simmons basically playing the 5 and 1 with Lillard playing off of him, it could work fine..
It "could" work. The question is, what has Simmons done to earn the level of confidence needed to give away a boatload of assets + take on his absurd contract? What's to keep him from complaining again in a year?
IMO I look at all the disgruntled players who forced their way out and see that it usually doesn't work out well for the team trading for the player.
securing a piece that you can rebrand has much more upside for them- then trading dame--- as im not sure there is any package for dame that helps them much.
and the sixers would become a VERY tough out.
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if those are the only 2 options. They may miss the playoffs this year so his attitude will worsen over time, there's no fixing it unless they start winning and 1. Simmons doesn't move the needle enough and 2. his contract absolutely blows for his level of play, one I wouldn't want. Trading for him really reduces flexibility over the next few years.
Really like Lillard and that team in general so this sucks from a fans standpoint.
I ahte Simmons, but if he would embrace being Draymond Green for a team, with a player like Lillard playing off of him and 3 shooters around them like they do in GS it would work..
3 guys who will play defense, with Simmons basically playing the 5 and 1 with Lillard playing off of him, it could work fine..
I have a hard time believing Simmons would a team player if he’s sent to the Blazers. He wants to go somewhere that he can live a celebrity lifestyle. It seems from the outside looking in that basketball comes in a distant second. I’m not sure Portland, Oregon Is what he has in mind
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In comment 15483467 UConn4523 said:
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if those are the only 2 options. They may miss the playoffs this year so his attitude will worsen over time, there's no fixing it unless they start winning and 1. Simmons doesn't move the needle enough and 2. his contract absolutely blows for his level of play, one I wouldn't want. Trading for him really reduces flexibility over the next few years.
Really like Lillard and that team in general so this sucks from a fans standpoint.
I ahte Simmons, but if he would embrace being Draymond Green for a team, with a player like Lillard playing off of him and 3 shooters around them like they do in GS it would work..
3 guys who will play defense, with Simmons basically playing the 5 and 1 with Lillard playing off of him, it could work fine..
I have a hard time believing Simmons would a team player if he’s sent to the Blazers. He wants to go somewhere that he can live a celebrity lifestyle. It seems from the outside looking in that basketball comes in a distant second. I’m not sure Portland, Oregon Is what he has in mind
that i will not argue with, thats why i said IF, i agree i dont think he would embrace it, someone should be in his ear telling him he should
McCollum on this team would rev things up in a meaningful way.
There is no way Morey just sits back and does nothing while the Sixers sit at .500.
they see halliburton likely as more the winning style player
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thinks Daaron Fox will be thr guy who budges free from the Kings
they see halliburton likely as more the winning style player
and they just drafted Davion Mitchell, that is probably their future backcourt..
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thinks Daaron Fox will be thr guy who budges free from the Kings
they see halliburton likely as more the winning style player
and they just drafted Davion Mitchell, that is probably their future backcourt..
Yep that's what I've been thinking lately too. My bet is Fox ends up a Knick. Sac is a mess right now someone or multiple guys are getting moved. Fox usage rate has tanked this year and he's the logical one to go with Haliburton and Mitchell their last 2 picks. Wonder what they'd want back. Have to think it starts with RJ and picks and goes from there, bet they'd want Obi, just a matter if we'd give him up.
securing a piece that you can rebrand has much more upside for them- then trading dame--- as im not sure there is any package for dame that helps them much.
and the sixers would become a VERY tough out.
Am I the only one here who likes McCollum better than Simmons? Why in the world in todays NBA would you trade shooters for players who cannot shoot
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for simmons- try and get another ball handler back while trading a first with it.
securing a piece that you can rebrand has much more upside for them- then trading dame--- as im not sure there is any package for dame that helps them much.
and the sixers would become a VERY tough out.
Am I the only one here who likes McCollum better than Simmons? Why in the world in todays NBA would you trade shooters for players who cannot shoot
Mcollum i think is a better plaher but i think its more about Portland just needing a change..
Also for some reason some still think Simmons is a suoerstsr even though there is a history of him failing miserably in the playoffs
Dame gets a super team. Kyrie gets to practice his hippie shit in Portland.
Dame gets a super team. Kyrie gets to practice his hippie shit in Portland.
If you are Portland why would you do that?
If trailblazers are trading Dame they are going to want young players and draft picks, you trade your best player you tear it completely down
A lot of good teams blew their draft loads already, so it's not obvious that there are a lot of landing spots. What's out there for good picks and non-terrible matching salary? Porzingis plus mediocre picks?
I'd rather have Kyrie than Simmons (assuming they would both choose to play basketball). Would Boston give up Brown?
They have no problem taking the 40 million given to them by the team and then complain why they cant compete?
It's weird, it's almost like being paid millions of dollars just comes with the territory of being a star, but that they also play for reasons beyond money.
A lot of good teams blew their draft loads already, so it's not obvious that there are a lot of landing spots. What's out there for good picks and non-terrible matching salary? Porzingis plus mediocre picks?
I'd rather have Kyrie than Simmons (assuming they would both choose to play basketball). Would Boston give up Brown?
Knicks could easily offer young players, good matching salary and picks..
Rj, obi, Kemba, Fournier or Burks, Knkx for some filler
If Portland is trading Dame they are not trading him straight up for Simmons or Irving, no one is trading for irving
It's not a great deal for Portland, bit it might be among the best out there. Some will depend on Dame too. There's an attraction to playing at MSG in the playoffs, but that's a pretty mediocre team - wouldn't expect to win too much with that group. But maybe he just wants a change of scenery and some headlines, which he would get in NY
It's not a great deal for Portland, bit it might be among the best out there. Some will depend on Dame too. There's an attraction to playing at MSG in the playoffs, but that's a pretty mediocre team - wouldn't expect to win too much with that group. But maybe he just wants a change of scenery and some headlines, which he would get in NY
It would most likely be a 3 team deal like the harden trade with portland redirecting some players..
and its funny that you say that trade makes no sense yet you think Irving for Dame makes sense..
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Are they going to do a 6 for 1 trade mid season?
Rj, obi, Kemba, Fournier or Burks, Knkx for some filler
If Portland is trading Dame they are not trading him straight up for Simmons or Irving, no one is trading for irving
I don’t even think I’d do that trade from a Knicks perspective. Would have to keep one of RJ/Obi, give them Grimes or an extra draft pick instead. 2 starters plus arguably our best bench player for Dame feels like too much. Feels too much like gutting the roster for Carmelo.
Maybe it makes sense - a lot of recent champions were beneficiaries of injuries. Maybe you just try to max out and hope to get lucky. And does Lillard want to go from 9ne low ceiling team to another? Maybe. I guess we'll see.