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NFT: NBA chat: Lillard growing more and more frustrated

nygiants16 : 12/6/2021 9:28 am
Players and Lillard are frustrated playing for Billups, Lillard wanted a coach who had already been a head coach and has now grown frustrated with the blazers...

He wants a roster shakeup and wants another star, he wants the blazers to trade for Simmons because he feels it would move him over into a scoring role while Simmons can distribute and defende..

Blazers had a deal on the table of Mccollum and multiple 1sts and swaps for Simmons but balked..

So now do the Blazers go all in and trade for Simmons or do the Blazers blow it up and trade Dame?
They aren't winning anything  
UConn4523 : 12/6/2021 9:34 am : link
with the Suns and Warriors playing out of their minds so 2021 is a wash. Not sure the Blazers can actually take that next step without hitting on another pick unexpectedly. Simmons doesn't move the needle.
If those are your two choices  
Blue92 : 12/6/2021 9:38 am : link
Then you trade Lillard.
RE: They aren't winning anything  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2021 9:40 am : link
In comment 15483447 UConn4523 said:
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with the Suns and Warriors playing out of their minds so 2021 is a wash. Not sure the Blazers can actually take that next step without hitting on another pick unexpectedly. Simmons doesn't move the needle.


Well the question is do they want to keep Dame happy or ship him off
Its amazing  
GNewGiants : 12/6/2021 9:41 am : link
the amount of crying that comes from the players in this league.

They have no problem taking the 40 million given to them by the team and then complain why they cant compete?
you have to trade him  
UConn4523 : 12/6/2021 9:43 am : link
if those are the only 2 options. They may miss the playoffs this year so his attitude will worsen over time, there's no fixing it unless they start winning and 1. Simmons doesn't move the needle enough and 2. his contract absolutely blows for his level of play, one I wouldn't want. Trading for him really reduces flexibility over the next few years.

Really like Lillard and that team in general so this sucks from a fans standpoint.
RE: Its amazing  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2021 9:45 am : link
In comment 15483461 GNewGiants said:
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the amount of crying that comes from the players in this league.

They have no problem taking the 40 million given to them by the team and then complain why they cant compete?


To be fair Lillard is one of the superstars who has been most loyal
Can the Knicks put together a package for him?  
Sean : 12/6/2021 9:46 am : link
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What’s up with Lillard this year?  
Mike in NJ : 12/6/2021 9:51 am : link
I haven’t watched a second of the Blazers, so don’t have any real insight into it, but looking at his numbers he’s having a down year statistically. I think the concern would be that he’s starting to decline due to his age.
RE: you have to trade him  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2021 9:52 am : link
In comment 15483467 UConn4523 said:
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if those are the only 2 options. They may miss the playoffs this year so his attitude will worsen over time, there's no fixing it unless they start winning and 1. Simmons doesn't move the needle enough and 2. his contract absolutely blows for his level of play, one I wouldn't want. Trading for him really reduces flexibility over the next few years.

Really like Lillard and that team in general so this sucks from a fans standpoint.


I ahte Simmons, but if he would embrace being Draymond Green for a team, with a player like Lillard playing off of him and 3 shooters around them like they do in GS it would work..

3 guys who will play defense, with Simmons basically playing the 5 and 1 with Lillard playing off of him, it could work fine..
RE: What’s up with Lillard this year?  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2021 9:52 am : link
In comment 15483491 Mike in NJ said:
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I haven’t watched a second of the Blazers, so don’t have any real insight into it, but looking at his numbers he’s having a down year statistically. I think the concern would be that he’s starting to decline due to his age.


I dont know if he is declining, the style of offense or just the overally mediocrity of the team is effecting him
RE: RE: Its amazing  
GNewGiants : 12/6/2021 9:53 am : link
In comment 15483473 nygiants16 said:
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the amount of crying that comes from the players in this league.

They have no problem taking the 40 million given to them by the team and then complain why they cant compete?



To be fair Lillard is one of the superstars who has been most loyal


He has, but he had to see the writing on the wall with the West getting better and better each year and they stayed pretty much status quo. I mean who was the best player they have brought in? Powell fir Trent? Covington?

They neede to trade McCollum years ago. Hes a good player but not the guy to pair with Lillard.
RE: RE: you have to trade him  
UConn4523 : 12/6/2021 9:56 am : link
In comment 15483493 nygiants16 said:
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if those are the only 2 options. They may miss the playoffs this year so his attitude will worsen over time, there's no fixing it unless they start winning and 1. Simmons doesn't move the needle enough and 2. his contract absolutely blows for his level of play, one I wouldn't want. Trading for him really reduces flexibility over the next few years.

Really like Lillard and that team in general so this sucks from a fans standpoint.



I ahte Simmons, but if he would embrace being Draymond Green for a team, with a player like Lillard playing off of him and 3 shooters around them like they do in GS it would work..

3 guys who will play defense, with Simmons basically playing the 5 and 1 with Lillard playing off of him, it could work fine..


It "could" work. The question is, what has Simmons done to earn the level of confidence needed to give away a boatload of assets + take on his absurd contract? What's to keep him from complaining again in a year?

IMO I look at all the disgruntled players who forced their way out and see that it usually doesn't work out well for the team trading for the player.
I have to say I'm often shocked  
Leg of Theismann : 12/6/2021 9:56 am : link
at how Lillard seems to have this undying loyalty to Portland. Like they just don't take his input on anything, do the exact opposite of anything he wants them to do, don't do anything to surround him with talent, and yet for some reason he maintains this undying loyalty to the franchise. It's quite honorable but at the same time I'm trying to figure why he feels he owes them so much loyalty despite their actions. What have they done for him to earn such loyalty? It's just the nature of who he is? There are 29 other teams, most of which I believe would treat him better than the Blazers organization.
they should trade mcollum  
hitdog42 : 12/6/2021 9:58 am : link
for simmons- try and get another ball handler back while trading a first with it.

securing a piece that you can rebrand has much more upside for them- then trading dame--- as im not sure there is any package for dame that helps them much.

and the sixers would become a VERY tough out.
Sixers are going to get desperate soon  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2021 10:19 am : link
they have struggled and Morey can say all they want but they have to make a move
RE: RE: you have to trade him  
BigBlueShock : 12/6/2021 10:26 am : link
In comment 15483493 nygiants16 said:
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if those are the only 2 options. They may miss the playoffs this year so his attitude will worsen over time, there's no fixing it unless they start winning and 1. Simmons doesn't move the needle enough and 2. his contract absolutely blows for his level of play, one I wouldn't want. Trading for him really reduces flexibility over the next few years.

Really like Lillard and that team in general so this sucks from a fans standpoint.



I ahte Simmons, but if he would embrace being Draymond Green for a team, with a player like Lillard playing off of him and 3 shooters around them like they do in GS it would work..

3 guys who will play defense, with Simmons basically playing the 5 and 1 with Lillard playing off of him, it could work fine..

I have a hard time believing Simmons would a team player if he’s sent to the Blazers. He wants to go somewhere that he can live a celebrity lifestyle. It seems from the outside looking in that basketball comes in a distant second. I’m not sure Portland, Oregon Is what he has in mind
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nygiants16 : 12/6/2021 10:29 am : link
In comment 15483571 BigBlueShock said:
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if those are the only 2 options. They may miss the playoffs this year so his attitude will worsen over time, there's no fixing it unless they start winning and 1. Simmons doesn't move the needle enough and 2. his contract absolutely blows for his level of play, one I wouldn't want. Trading for him really reduces flexibility over the next few years.

Really like Lillard and that team in general so this sucks from a fans standpoint.



I ahte Simmons, but if he would embrace being Draymond Green for a team, with a player like Lillard playing off of him and 3 shooters around them like they do in GS it would work..

3 guys who will play defense, with Simmons basically playing the 5 and 1 with Lillard playing off of him, it could work fine..


I have a hard time believing Simmons would a team player if he’s sent to the Blazers. He wants to go somewhere that he can live a celebrity lifestyle. It seems from the outside looking in that basketball comes in a distant second. I’m not sure Portland, Oregon Is what he has in mind


that i will not argue with, thats why i said IF, i agree i dont think he would embrace it, someone should be in his ear telling him he should
BBS  
UConn4523 : 12/6/2021 10:38 am : link
that's a good point, seems like a guy who'd kill to play in LA. A smaller market team would hurt his ego and limit his off the court persona (whatever it even is at this point). I just don't trust him, and I think that's why I wouldn't trade for him under almost any circumstance.
As a Sixers fan  
LG in NYC : 12/6/2021 10:43 am : link
I would love Lilliard obviously but would take McCollum in a heartbeat for Simmons... the team is treading water, barely, and Simmons is taking up a roster spot.

McCollum on this team would rev things up in a meaningful way.

There is no way Morey just sits back and does nothing while the Sixers sit at .500.
Kevin oconnor  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2021 11:26 am : link
thinks Daaron Fox will be thr guy who budges free from the Kings
RE: Kevin oconnor  
hitdog42 : 12/6/2021 11:29 am : link
In comment 15483701 nygiants16 said:
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thinks Daaron Fox will be thr guy who budges free from the Kings


they see halliburton likely as more the winning style player
RE: RE: Kevin oconnor  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2021 11:41 am : link
In comment 15483705 hitdog42 said:
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thinks Daaron Fox will be thr guy who budges free from the Kings



they see halliburton likely as more the winning style player


and they just drafted Davion Mitchell, that is probably their future backcourt..
Come to NYC  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/6/2021 2:17 pm : link
Dame.
RE: RE: RE: Kevin oconnor  
Stu11 : 12/6/2021 2:58 pm : link
In comment 15483728 nygiants16 said:
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thinks Daaron Fox will be thr guy who budges free from the Kings



they see halliburton likely as more the winning style player



and they just drafted Davion Mitchell, that is probably their future backcourt..

Yep that's what I've been thinking lately too. My bet is Fox ends up a Knick. Sac is a mess right now someone or multiple guys are getting moved. Fox usage rate has tanked this year and he's the logical one to go with Haliburton and Mitchell their last 2 picks. Wonder what they'd want back. Have to think it starts with RJ and picks and goes from there, bet they'd want Obi, just a matter if we'd give him up.
RE: they should trade mcollum  
TommyWiseau : 12/6/2021 3:13 pm : link
In comment 15483511 hitdog42 said:
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for simmons- try and get another ball handler back while trading a first with it.

securing a piece that you can rebrand has much more upside for them- then trading dame--- as im not sure there is any package for dame that helps them much.

and the sixers would become a VERY tough out.


Am I the only one here who likes McCollum better than Simmons? Why in the world in todays NBA would you trade shooters for players who cannot shoot
Too bad  
TommyWiseau : 12/6/2021 3:28 pm : link
we weren't able to grab Maxey in 2020, kid is turning out to be a player.
RE: RE: they should trade mcollum  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2021 3:48 pm : link
In comment 15484143 TommyWiseau said:
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for simmons- try and get another ball handler back while trading a first with it.

securing a piece that you can rebrand has much more upside for them- then trading dame--- as im not sure there is any package for dame that helps them much.

and the sixers would become a VERY tough out.



Am I the only one here who likes McCollum better than Simmons? Why in the world in todays NBA would you trade shooters for players who cannot shoot


Mcollum i think is a better plaher but i think its more about Portland just needing a change..

Also for some reason some still think Simmons is a suoerstsr even though there is a history of him failing miserably in the playoffs
Lillard for Kyrie?  
Jerry in_DC : 12/6/2021 3:56 pm : link
Disgruntled for insane?

Dame gets a super team. Kyrie gets to practice his hippie shit in Portland.
RE: Lillard for Kyrie?  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2021 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15484244 Jerry in_DC said:
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Disgruntled for insane?

Dame gets a super team. Kyrie gets to practice his hippie shit in Portland.


If you are Portland why would you do that?

If trailblazers are trading Dame they are going to want young players and draft picks, you trade your best player you tear it completely down
Portland  
Jerry in_DC : 12/6/2021 5:06 pm : link
isn't in the greatest position to bottom out. CJ is a good player, but his contract is long and rough. I wouldn't expect a huge haul for their other vets.

A lot of good teams blew their draft loads already, so it's not obvious that there are a lot of landing spots. What's out there for good picks and non-terrible matching salary? Porzingis plus mediocre picks?

I'd rather have Kyrie than Simmons (assuming they would both choose to play basketball). Would Boston give up Brown?
FWIW  
Jerry in_DC : 12/6/2021 5:07 pm : link
I assume Kyrie has close to zero trade value without major behind the scenes conversations.
RE: Its amazing  
santacruzom : 12/6/2021 5:10 pm : link
In comment 15483461 GNewGiants said:
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the amount of crying that comes from the players in this league.

They have no problem taking the 40 million given to them by the team and then complain why they cant compete?


It's weird, it's almost like being paid millions of dollars just comes with the territory of being a star, but that they also play for reasons beyond money.
RE: Portland  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2021 5:12 pm : link
In comment 15484363 Jerry in_DC said:
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isn't in the greatest position to bottom out. CJ is a good player, but his contract is long and rough. I wouldn't expect a huge haul for their other vets.

A lot of good teams blew their draft loads already, so it's not obvious that there are a lot of landing spots. What's out there for good picks and non-terrible matching salary? Porzingis plus mediocre picks?

I'd rather have Kyrie than Simmons (assuming they would both choose to play basketball). Would Boston give up Brown?


Knicks could easily offer young players, good matching salary and picks..
What is their "good matching salary"  
Jerry in_DC : 12/6/2021 5:18 pm : link
Are they going to do a 6 for 1 trade mid season?
RE: What is their  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2021 5:24 pm : link
In comment 15484377 Jerry in_DC said:
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Are they going to do a 6 for 1 trade mid season?


Rj, obi, Kemba, Fournier or Burks, Knkx for some filler

If Portland is trading Dame they are not trading him straight up for Simmons or Irving, no one is trading for irving
So a 5 for 1 mid season?  
Jerry in_DC : 12/6/2021 5:28 pm : link
(Which never happens).

It's not a great deal for Portland, bit it might be among the best out there. Some will depend on Dame too. There's an attraction to playing at MSG in the playoffs, but that's a pretty mediocre team - wouldn't expect to win too much with that group. But maybe he just wants a change of scenery and some headlines, which he would get in NY
RE: So a 5 for 1 mid season?  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2021 5:36 pm : link
In comment 15484408 Jerry in_DC said:
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(Which never happens).

It's not a great deal for Portland, bit it might be among the best out there. Some will depend on Dame too. There's an attraction to playing at MSG in the playoffs, but that's a pretty mediocre team - wouldn't expect to win too much with that group. But maybe he just wants a change of scenery and some headlines, which he would get in NY


It would most likely be a 3 team deal like the harden trade with portland redirecting some players..

and its funny that you say that trade makes no sense yet you think Irving for Dame makes sense..

RE: RE: What is their  
Mike in NJ : 12/6/2021 5:51 pm : link
In comment 15484395 nygiants16 said:
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Are they going to do a 6 for 1 trade mid season?



Rj, obi, Kemba, Fournier or Burks, Knkx for some filler

If Portland is trading Dame they are not trading him straight up for Simmons or Irving, no one is trading for irving


I don’t even think I’d do that trade from a Knicks perspective. Would have to keep one of RJ/Obi, give them Grimes or an extra draft pick instead. 2 starters plus arguably our best bench player for Dame feels like too much. Feels too much like gutting the roster for Carmelo.
I was just dropping a stray comment  
Jerry in_DC : 12/6/2021 5:53 pm : link
Look, the Knicks might get Lillard. But they are in a tough spot - his contract, like a lot of vets (Butler, Hardens likely extension) gets bad at the end. That team, with Lillard, isnt any better than the Blazers. So theyd be pushing all in for a max 50 win team.

Maybe it makes sense - a lot of recent champions were beneficiaries of injuries. Maybe you just try to max out and hope to get lucky. And does Lillard want to go from 9ne low ceiling team to another? Maybe. I guess we'll see.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/6/2021 7:03 pm : link
I think a lot of Dame's frustration stems from the Billups hire. He wanted an experienced coach.
DeRozan entering health and safety protocols.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/6/2021 7:26 pm : link
Out tonight. Damn...was going to have Bulls Nuggets on second TV behind MNF.
Thor on the Hornets...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/6/2021 7:29 pm : link
Just posterized Drummond.
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