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George Karlaftis - Purdue DE

nyjuggernaut2 : 12/6/2021 10:26 am
Unfortunately it's that time of year again as a Giants fan, where the season is a wash and the mock draft browsing begins.

Giants need a pass rusher, and the two names that stick out so far in the upcoming draft class are Thibodeaux and Hutchinson. As of now, both look to be going in the top 3-4 in most current mocks. Of course, there's plenty of time for that the change between now and April. After those two, the third guy appears to be George Karlaftis from Purdue. Although I know nothing about the kid, nor do I have the scouting eye to determine this kids future as an NFL player, I do love a good underdog story.
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Think he is a tad overrated  
GNewGiants : 12/6/2021 10:33 am : link
production wasnt there this year.
Doesn't have the "bend" you want  
jeff57 : 12/6/2021 10:35 am : link
As an ER to warrant being taken in the top 10, IMO.
If you watch a Karlaftis game  
Breeze_94 : 12/6/2021 10:35 am : link
It is hard not to be impressed.

Incredibly twitchy for 270+ lbs. And seemingly every single snap...and yes I mean EVERY single snap he plays..he wins his one v 1 matchup and creates some form of pressure of chaos in the run game.

And you talk about a ceiling, he’ll only be 20 years at old the time of the draft.

This would be a home run of a pick.

I’m pulling hard for Evan Neal/Ekwonu and Karlaftis.
RE: Doesn't have the  
Breeze_94 : 12/6/2021 10:37 am : link
In comment 15483581 jeff57 said:
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As an ER to warrant being taken in the top 10, IMO.


I think bend is a bit of an overrated term in the pre-draft process. Guys like TJ Watt, Cam Jordan and the Bosa’s aren’t the most “bendiest” guys and they are some of the best pass rushers in the league.
Thanks for posting. Great story for sure.  
jsuds : 12/6/2021 10:43 am : link
Can't wait to see what Sy has to say in his write-ups. Karlaftis wants to be the best. That's the kind of attitude the Giants need. Looks like he will be a beast. He'll look really good in Blue.
He seems the obvious choice  
BillT : 12/6/2021 10:45 am : link
You want to find an alternative fine. Give us a name. But the Giants are at least somewhat fortunate that there seem to be three good pass rushing prospects and they will get a shot at one of them. Don’t get cute. Go get him.
Depends on scheme  
JonC : 12/6/2021 11:01 am : link
he looks more 4-3 DE to me.

David Ojabo, if the top two Edge are gone.
RE: Depends on scheme  
BillT : 12/6/2021 11:10 am : link
In comment 15483637 JonC said:
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he looks more 4-3 DE to me.

David Ojabo, if the top two Edge are gone.

Then maybe we should switch schemes. :)
Fine with me  
JonC : 12/6/2021 11:11 am : link
still three Edges ahead of George on my board, grin.
RE: If you watch a Karlaftis game  
GoDeep13 : 12/6/2021 11:14 am : link
In comment 15483583 Breeze_94 said:
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It is hard not to be impressed.

Incredibly twitchy for 270+ lbs. And seemingly every single snap...and yes I mean EVERY single snap he plays..he wins his one v 1 matchup and creates some form of pressure of chaos in the run game.

And you talk about a ceiling, he’ll only be 20 years at old the time of the draft.

This would be a home run of a pick.

I’m pulling hard for Evan Neal/Ekwonu and Karlaftis.
This. The stats aren’t there, but you watch Purdue’s defense and you can make the case that Karlaftis is more disruptive on a down to down basis than Thibodeaux or Hutchinson.
RE: Fine with me  
BillT : 12/6/2021 11:17 am : link
In comment 15483658 JonC said:
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still three Edges ahead of George on my board, grin.

Better edges or better football players?
Both for Hutch and Thibs  
JonC : 12/6/2021 11:31 am : link
Ojabo's more of an upside projection, but he's playing at a really high level right now. It's impossible to not like Karlaftis as a football player and physical presence. I just don't want them to draft him to play in 3-4 and expect him to play in space, as I don't think that's using him to his strengths.
I have seen enough of Thibodeaux...  
bw in dc : 12/6/2021 11:46 am : link
where I wouldn't be surprised if he starts to drop a bit. He makes spectacular plays, but he gets lost a LOT on other plays where he just disappears. I really have little interest at this point.

As for Karlaftis, nice player, but I don't see his talent as lottery-type. I would rather roll the dice later in draft with a project like Nik Bonitto. A player with a lot of speed and bend.

If we go defense early, give me a LB like Lloyd or Dean. Both are going to be outstanding three down players...

RE: Both for Hutch and Thibs  
BillT : 12/6/2021 12:03 pm : link
In comment 15483710 JonC said:
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Ojabo's more of an upside projection, but he's playing at a really high level right now. It's impossible to not like Karlaftis as a football player and physical presence. I just don't want them to draft him to play in 3-4 and expect him to play in space, as I don't think that's using him to his strengths.

Thanks. Great insight
I suspect Oregon allows Thibs to freelance quite a bit  
JonC : 12/6/2021 12:07 pm : link
and that he would benefit from more structure and pro coaching. Physical gifts are there, he just has to color inside the lines and stay focused so he grows smartly and I think the negative stuff will decrease.

NYG was this close to having Parsons and a shot at Thibs next April.
I would love  
Payasdaddy : 12/6/2021 12:12 pm : link
2 ER, OT and interior lineman plus ILB in the first 5 out of 75 picks
Can see gmen liking OSI like ER from Michigan
NC OT hopefully there for them too
Thinking a Christian Harris could be there in 2nd


But if Lloyd and OSI Jr our picks, ( and Blake M rehabs well and restructuring of contract occurs). Our front 7 would be real legit
Think guys like ojulari can be a solid secondary pass rusher, hopefully E smit pans out as a rotational guy too
I wouldn’t mind a solid rotational DL in 3rd or 4th rd either
bJ hill type
RE: I suspect Oregon allows Thibs to freelance quite a bit  
bw in dc : 12/6/2021 12:15 pm : link
In comment 15483793 JonC said:
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and that he would benefit from more structure and pro coaching. Physical gifts are there, he just has to color inside the lines and stay focused so he grows smartly and I think the negative stuff will decrease.

NYG was this close to having Parsons and a shot at Thibs next April.


Never looked at it that way. But you may be onto something. This was DeRuyter's first year as the Oregon DC so he may have taken a more laissez-faire approach with KT. The guy I really liked on that D is frosh Noah Sewell, brother of Penei. A thumper and pretty good in coverage. Remember that name... ;)

I’m not as high  
MyNameIsMyName : 12/6/2021 12:16 pm : link
As most on him. I think he’ll be good at the next level, but I don’t see great.
Sewell is another one to watch  
JonC : 12/6/2021 12:17 pm : link
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I don't think we want any part of Thibodeaux  
Go Terps : 12/6/2021 12:17 pm : link
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BTW...  
bw in dc : 12/6/2021 12:19 pm : link
I am with you, Jon, on Ojabo. He may have the highest ceiling in the draft for Edge.

Keep on eye on Arnold Ebiketie for PSU. Could be a nice mid-round project for DE rush. He was pretty damn good in PSU's close loss to Michigan.
Will watch Ebiketie more  
JonC : 12/6/2021 12:22 pm : link
I wanted Oweh last year in the second round. Joe Tryon was one of my first round targets, he's looked good in small sample size but should be learning a ton right now.
Ojabo's been a force during this streak of hot play  
JonC : 12/6/2021 12:24 pm : link
offenders just bounce off him, you can see the light bulb flip on he's starting to realize and figure it out.
Will Anderson Jr  
JonC : 12/6/2021 12:25 pm : link
is another impressive talent to watch, not sure if he's draft eligible yet.
RE: Will Anderson Jr  
MyNameIsMyName : 12/6/2021 12:27 pm : link
In comment 15483848 JonC said:
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is another impressive talent to watch, not sure if he's draft eligible yet.


Not eligible, I love him though
RE: I don't think we want any part of Thibodeaux  
MyNameIsMyName : 12/6/2021 12:27 pm : link
In comment 15483820 Go Terps said:
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I’m starting to think the same thing
I'm pushing Edge talent because  
JonC : 12/6/2021 12:31 pm : link
I think we need an impact alpha out there. No matter 3-4 or 4-3 front we need a player who has the ability to ruin one side of an offense. Ojulari isn't likely that type of impact player, and this defense lacks an identity because there's no alpha out there now to rally around.
RE: Will Anderson Jr  
bw in dc : 12/6/2021 12:36 pm : link
In comment 15483848 JonC said:
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is another impressive talent to watch, not sure if he's draft eligible yet.


He's great. Best pass rusher in the country down to down.

Eligible in '23, which shows the flaw in the system because Anderson would be the first pick in this draft.
GK is overrated  
tyrik13 : 12/6/2021 2:09 pm : link
Imho. The next best ER should be Drake Jackson from USC.
I would not draft him..  
prdave73 : 12/6/2021 2:14 pm : link
I don’t think the Giants can afford to take a chance on a player with a high ceiling. They need to get the top 2 safest players period. No more gambling.
RE: I'm pushing Edge talent because  
Go Terps : 12/6/2021 2:23 pm : link
In comment 15483863 JonC said:
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I think we need an impact alpha out there. No matter 3-4 or 4-3 front we need a player who has the ability to ruin one side of an offense. Ojulari isn't likely that type of impact player, and this defense lacks an identity because there's no alpha out there now to rally around.


I don't see the need as greatly as you do. I actually think the Giants are fine on that side of the ball. Not great, but not bad either. They've only conceded 3 points more than Tampa and LA Rams, and 6 points more than Dallas. Conceded 17 points fewer than Tennessee. These are all 8+ win teams thus far.

I think Graham does a good job scheming to keep opponents' scores down. If the offense could just get up to 24-25 PPG this would be a 10-7ish type team.
Great story  
jvm52106 : 12/6/2021 2:25 pm : link
and seems like a great guy. Though I might look elsewhere for the Giants I could George K here being a Pro-Bowl player with the Patriots, Ravens, Steelers and Titans.
RE: RE: I'm pushing Edge talent because  
JonC : 12/6/2021 2:28 pm : link
In comment 15484072 Go Terps said:
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I think we need an impact alpha out there. No matter 3-4 or 4-3 front we need a player who has the ability to ruin one side of an offense. Ojulari isn't likely that type of impact player, and this defense lacks an identity because there's no alpha out there now to rally around.



I don't see the need as greatly as you do. I actually think the Giants are fine on that side of the ball. Not great, but not bad either. They've only conceded 3 points more than Tampa and LA Rams, and 6 points more than Dallas. Conceded 17 points fewer than Tennessee. These are all 8+ win teams thus far.

I think Graham does a good job scheming to keep opponents' scores down. If the offense could just get up to 24-25 PPG this would be a 10-7ish type team.


Yeah, I don't really like this defense from a pure football standpoint. I wouldn't bet on it to hold a lead in big games given its weaknesses.
RE: RE: I'm pushing Edge talent because  
bw in dc : 12/6/2021 3:19 pm : link
In comment 15484072 Go Terps said:
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I think we need an impact alpha out there. No matter 3-4 or 4-3 front we need a player who has the ability to ruin one side of an offense. Ojulari isn't likely that type of impact player, and this defense lacks an identity because there's no alpha out there now to rally around.



I don't see the need as greatly as you do. I actually think the Giants are fine on that side of the ball. Not great, but not bad either. They've only conceded 3 points more than Tampa and LA Rams, and 6 points more than Dallas. Conceded 17 points fewer than Tennessee. These are all 8+ win teams thus far.

I think Graham does a good job scheming to keep opponents' scores down. If the offense could just get up to 24-25 PPG this would be a 10-7ish type team.


I'm with you here. The D can use some upgrades - which D couldn't? - but Graham's side of the ball does their job most games.

Yes, at times they underperform; but that majority of the problems with this team on the field is the endless ineptitude of the offense. Scoring 17+ PPG tells you all you need to know.
is it a lock he's coming out this year?  
Platos : 12/6/2021 4:02 pm : link
if i'm the giants i take the top LB and trade down and hope you can get karlaftis.

move to 4-3 base defense.

RE: RE: I'm pushing Edge talent because  
BillKo : 12/6/2021 4:08 pm : link
In comment 15484072 Go Terps said:
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In comment 15483863 JonC said:


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I think we need an impact alpha out there. No matter 3-4 or 4-3 front we need a player who has the ability to ruin one side of an offense. Ojulari isn't likely that type of impact player, and this defense lacks an identity because there's no alpha out there now to rally around.



I don't see the need as greatly as you do. I actually think the Giants are fine on that side of the ball. Not great, but not bad either. They've only conceded 3 points more than Tampa and LA Rams, and 6 points more than Dallas. Conceded 17 points fewer than Tennessee. These are all 8+ win teams thus far.

I think Graham does a good job scheming to keep opponents' scores down. If the offense could just get up to 24-25 PPG this would be a 10-7ish type team.


Interesting take, esp since you have seemed to be really down on the entire operation.

I tend to agree, I think Graham has out performed both Garrett (obviously) but also JJ.

I might throw out this there: do opposing teams limit what chances they take, realizing the Giants simply aren't going to score.

In other words, if the Giants offense did produce 25-27 points a game, would the defensive numbers stick?
RE: is it a lock he's coming out this year?  
Angel Eyes : 12/6/2021 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15484258 Platos said:
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if i'm the giants i take the top LB and trade down and hope you can get karlaftis.

move to 4-3 base defense.

Per the Purdue coach, yes he is.
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