Mcadoo got the Giants to the playoffs in 2016. Yes you can argue it was with Coughlin's team, etc etc, but it happened. Mcadoo also wanted to move up to draft Mahomes, but was rebuffed by a front office who selected Davis Webb in the third round on the advice of Chris Mara. First round pick in 2017 was Evan Engram. Mcadoo was hung out to dry for the fallout over the Eli benching, which was really the fault of the owner.
Shurmur was an uninspiring presence and a lousy in-game coach and had no connections of his own so had Shula forced on him as OC, and Bettcher as DC (is he even in the NFL anymore?). But Shurmur at least had the excuse that he was calling plays so his focus in other areas was compromised. Judge has no such excuse. The offense also scored points with Shurmur, with two different quarterbacks and a garbage offensive line, though it was not some offensive juggernaut.
Under Judge the offense cannot score points, they play a bend and then break style of defense, went on a big FA spending spree on offense and defense and the team in his second year looks to be circling the drain. Sure there are injuries. Mcadoos 2017 squad was riddled with injuries as well.
It's looking to me like Judge is the worst of the three, which is really saying something given how terrible Mcadoo and Shurmur were.
How is it possible the team has been going backwards or at best spinning its wheels since what we all thought would have been the low point of 2017?
This team is just unlikeable. Soft and boring. I have said in the past I have never turned off a Giants game until recently. Now by the fourth quarter I’m on redzone.
Shurmur was 7-21 through 28 games
Judge is better than Shurmur, but that is not saying much.
This team is just unlikeable. Soft and boring. I have said in the past I have never turned off a Giants game until recently. Now by the fourth quarter I’m on redzone.
Same here,
win or lose, rain or shine I never shut off a game and I have done that a few times this year. I hate that it's come to this but the affection I had for this team is starting to fade away. It's just not entertaining on any level
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This team is just unlikeable. Soft and boring. I have said in the past I have never turned off a Giants game until recently. Now by the fourth quarter I’m on redzone.
Same here,
win or lose, rain or shine I never shut off a game and I have done that a few times this year. I hate that it's come to this but the affection I had for this team is starting to fade away. It's just not entertaining on any level
I never turn off games either, but I switched to the Redzone during the Rams game in the second half. That was an absolute joke
I thought it would be very hard to be more of a joke than McAdoo (post haircut) and I hated even the idea of hiring Shurmur as a HC. Judge was a pure Giants hire.
Now I hear him talking and I just want him to shut the fuck up.
I don't know if he's better or worse than those guys. I know it's all been pretty damn bad, including the year they made the playoffs. That ended up a train wreck, in and of itself.
I hate the revolving door of coaches,and so does Mara, so this is maybe the only thing that saves JJ.
He has been vert poor this year with his game and time management Plus his preseason player management was terrible
This, so let us refrain from the recently bias cantrip. The only reason we scored any points under Macadoo was because of ODB. The offense was God awful the year we went to the playoffs. There is no need to compare any of these coaches because they were all terrible. The only difference for me is I personally do not like Joe Judge. Something I have always had been indifferent toward.
He got the most out of Jones and Barkley.
And a couple more OL and a pass rusher and then let’s see what we got
Developing your young QB is much more important than whatever it is the Giants think Judge brings to the table. He’s a special teams guy and they haven’t created one explosive play in the return game since he’s been here, and consistently punt the ball into the end zone after he decides to punt on 4th and 2 or less
Maybe if anything I'd say Judge gets to stick for 1/2 next season to show actual improvement. The Giants are 2-6, 3-7 next year? Gone.
I also hate that, though, because then you've got a situation more entrenched with Judge-isms.
Maybe best to bring in a new head coach with Abrams (I hope it's not him, but come on ... it's going to be), and allow this new head coach to hire his own damn staff.
Pipedream, I know.
Yep. Exactly. Nothing more exciting than disputing "who is the biggest clown" with all these head coaches.
How about we start winning sometime soon?
Shurmur never got the big dollar spend the other two did. Just a guess, but if he had the big dollar free agents the other two did, he might have one another couple of games.
Judge got the big dollar spend and the team still sucks.
This "lost the locker room" standard is nonsense. Lots of bad coaches had teams that played hard (or thought they were playing hard) and were loved in the locker room. Sometimes they were loved because they were patsies. Lots of good coaches Landry, Lombardi, Noll, Lil Bill and dare I say Parcells and Coughlin were not universally loved in the locker room but had some small record of success.
Judge is a know-it-all who apparently knows very little and has shown zero results despite unprecedented levels of support. I don't give a fuck whether he's "lost the locker room" or not, he's proven to be a bad head coach and needs to be shown the door.
10 days later he was a pumpkin. Thats how horribly coached those 1st 2 weeks were.
10 days later he was a pumpkin. Thats how horribly coached those 1st 2 weeks were.
The Washington game fuck up pissed a lot of people off on here. Me being one of them.
McAdoo actually won football games. Hard to believe it happened here, but it did, as much as people like to pretend that 2016 didn't exist. Good coach? No. But he did accomplish something
Shurmur is a bad HC but good offensive coach. He brought something to table
Judge seems to have no specific skills and he's a horrendous game manager. What does he actually do? What does he bring to the team? Unclear, but possibly nothing. Also he loses a lot and in really boring ways.
Judge has shit on Offense. Defense is middle of the road.
They took a calculated risk with Judge, and it appears to have not panned out. I can at least stomach that they tried something new and Judge failed.
I think Mcadoo was a clown, and if he hadn’t benched a franchise hero for Geno fucking Smith, who knows. He may still be coach. Judge and Shurmur have accomplished nothing even close to Mcadoo.
What a sad state this franchise finds itself in.
I remember when Giants' fans were among the most knowledgeable fans of any sports organization.
Shurmur was a terrible playcaller who had no feel for the rhythm of a game. See that Philadelphia game in Philly his last year here. Nobody is pining for Shurmur; we are just commenting about HOW BAD Judge is and how he is even worse than Shurmur.
On top of that, he doesn't 'coach to win', too conservative
at times. Look at least week for example against the Iggles...
late in the game when Giants are trying to run out the clock.
The operative word is trying....on second down, lets have Jones roll to the right and fall down, on 3rd down, roll to the left and fall down.
That's not coaching to win, just a microcosm of his coaching style.
I thought he was even more horrific with his head coaching decisions in the 2018 game in Philly around Thanksgiving time. Holy shit. Philly had no business winning that game but because Pat Shurmur is a complete moron they won somehow. Fucking ridiculous.
His last game here was one of the most embarrassing Giant games ever. Getting blown out by a bunch of scrubs off the street against your "core" roster. Jones, Barkley, Shepherd, Golden Tate, Evan engram ALL played. You think this is a game where they would get going on offense? No. It's the other way around.... they're the ones getting blown out.
If you can't figure out how bad these players are after that one, you don't have a clue about anything.
We couldn't score points with McAdoo
Regardless, no one could win with this roster. Front office is a disgrace. Why is Gettleman still employed?
McAdoo had a defense that won him a ton of games but his 2nd year was so disastrous that I think Judge is still a better coach than him. That offense was bad under him as well.
It's ugly right now but Judge is still faring better than those two did if you look at the body of work as a whole. I'm more inclined to let Judge keep at it and continue to build a roster vs. the other two.
The end of this year may be ugly just given the fact that if Jones plays the QB situation is terrible.
i think one of the problems the giants will run into is, what established coach who is worth their salt, is going to walk into an organizational structure like the giants? although rivera took the redskins job and that organization, at least until recently, seemed to be even more dysfunctional than the giants.
since i think we're all pretty much resigned to judge getting a default 3rd year that he probably doesn't deserve (given that their 2x SB winning coach tom coughlin was fired after two 6-10 seasons), the more pressing question is, what GM who is worth their salt is going to want to come to an organizaton where there is a mandate from the owner about who the coach and quarterback are going to be?
i understand mara doesn't want to pay judge for three years to fuck off, and apparently "likes" him or some shit, but this is why it's easy to see them hiring spinless yes-man and "cap guru" kevin abrams. what other choices will there be? look at the candidates they brought in for the last GM search. it'd be laughable if it wasn't so sad.