buck, bochy, espada, quatraro, ausmus. now they need to make a good decision but all of them have appeal and im sure whichever they choose will stand out for some reason that will also give us optimism they got the choice right.
Moustakas is likely owed too much money for it to make sense for @mets
to take him back in a deal for a SP (to lower the prospect cost) but it might be something they explore
rises out of this initial group (even if it's just 1 candidate who stands out). I think I'd guess yes and I think that's probably a good thing. Cohen has showed decent instincts so far (especially not promoting Scott early) and think it's in part because he obviously sees things through a different lens than a baseball lifer since he's not that.
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Andy Martino
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Expect Mets managerial interviews to begin this week -- news on permission requests and actual interviews w/the names reported Friday: Kelly, Quatraro, Espada, Showalter, Ausmus. Other names are on list and may join the party later.
Interesting note from @Kevin_Goldstein
in most cases players can remain in contact with teams head physicians during the LO as they are considered private contractors #Mets
Derrick
12:42
Have you heard what an international draft would look like? Currently players sign ~age 16. Would players be draft eligible at that age?
Kevin Goldstein
12:43
Likely 15-20 rounds. Likely hard slots. Likely hard cap on players signed after the draft. And yes, 16.
Per @fangraphs @yankees are expected to sign 2 of the top 7 best international players in the world (Mayea and Arias). @mets not connected to any of the top 70. This includes players not yet able to sign (under contracts with NPB teams etc) #Mets
Dan, what's your thinking on this. The Mets want to be data-driven. Showalter's not the type of manager to listen to tips from the office about who the play and where, is he?
Dan, what's your thinking on this. The Mets want to be data-driven. Showalter's not the type of manager to listen to tips from the office about who the play and where, is he?
I personally believe "manager" to be a pretty overvalued role. A huge part of it is controlling the clubhouse and the media. James Click started his career as a part time data scientist/BP contributor, he's running the Astros, Anthopoulos is on record regard how much he learned from the Dodgers and their analytics team, we all know about the Rays and Dodgers.
Every successful team is moving towards a model where the FO provides data and "light prodding" to their manager and it's a groupthink with decision making. Showalter won't be the hire unless they feel he can work within this type of setup. They have made 36 analytics hires, and are still hiring. If they feel Buck is receptive. His quotes from 2018 seem to imply he'd be open to such a setup, if they don't think he is, he won't be the hire.
"Buck Showalter: “One thing about analytics is that we all question what we don’t understand. You need to learn, so during the spring we do Analytics for Dummies. That’s what we call it. We take our most veteran baseball people, our on-the-field lifers, and bring them upstairs to go over every analytic there is and find the [equivalent of a] .300 batting average in every one of them. We take the black cloud of unknown away from it.
“What we’ve found is that most of our veteran people go, ‘Oh, really? That’s all it is?’ They’re not demeaning it, they’re just saying, ‘Now I understand.’ Know where the .300 batting average of WAR is, and what it tells you. Just as important, what doesn’t it tell you that you have to be aware of.
and wow does buck seem like perfect guy for this team right now. could not agree with him more re defense and the pros/cons of analytics. If they choose someone else I won't be too disappointed because the whole group seems strong and it means that person stood out from Buck in some way, but i'm really glad he's in this interview process. it seems like he's really a good fit for what this org needs.
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“The responsibility of leadership in today’s public world… Chase Utley is one of them, but it’s hard to find guys who are willing to be publicly viewed as That Guy. There’s the constant scrutiny. You say something to a teammate privately, trying to help him, or maybe constructively criticize, and if it gets out there publicly… it’s just different. Not that guys won’t do it, but there’s so much to being a major-league player that it’s hard to take on that responsibility, too. You used to have three or four of them on a team. That’s something that’s changed, the responsibility and burden of leadership.
like Ausmus the least of the names being mentioned but not so strongly that I'll be really upset. I just find him to be the least interesting/intriguing but I won't be going on a long rant about how awful the hire is if he's the pick. I reserve the right to change my tune if they hire somebody truly ridiculous (Larry Bowa? c'mon lol).
like Ausmus the least of the names being mentioned but not so strongly that I'll be really upset. I just find him to be the least interesting/intriguing but I won't be going on a long rant about how awful the hire is if he's the pick. I reserve the right to change my tune if they hire somebody truly ridiculous (Larry Bowa? c'mon lol).
Ausmus seems like a compromise candidate. if they want someone with managing experience but more youthful than buck.
wouldn't like it but wouldn't hate it.
buck imo has the highest short term upside.
highest long term upside? who knows but probably not buck just because he's older. but he's 6 years younger than Dusty and if whoever they hire lasts 6 years+ it will be a successful hire.
like Ausmus the least of the names being mentioned but not so strongly that I'll be really upset. I just find him to be the least interesting/intriguing but I won't be going on a long rant about how awful the hire is if he's the pick. I reserve the right to change my tune if they hire somebody truly ridiculous (Larry Bowa? c'mon lol).
Ausmus seems like a compromise candidate. if they want someone with managing experience but more youthful than buck.
wouldn't like it but wouldn't hate it.
buck imo has the highest short term upside.
highest long term upside? who knows but probably not buck just because he's older. but he's 6 years younger than Dusty and if whoever they hire lasts 6 years+ it will be a successful hire.
Ausmus just strikes me as quite vanilla. Smart guy I'm sure (Dartmouth) but I've never really heard anybody rave about him. I'm sure he'd be fine, just wouldn't be enthusiastic about it personally.
vanilla is the exact right description of his resume
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
Mets have reached out to interview Astros bench coach Joe Espada. Has strong link to Billy Eppler from when they were both with Yankees. Serious contender.
so if they had to get permission on Quatraro and Espada
i'd presume the interviews today/tomorrow were Buck + Ausmus? they don't need permission on bochy either right?
in this case it makes sense to do the experienced guys first and let them set a bar. then see if someone else exceeds that bar.
Bochy is in fact employed with the Giants, but I doubt they would need permission as his job is "special advisor" which is basically a part-time role. It's possible out of respect to the Giants, they would still ask for permission (which the Giants obviously would grant).
then logistically they do probably have to ask for permission
Jon Heyman @JonHeyman
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Mets managerial interviews begin today, though it isn’t known who had the leadoff position among candidates. GM Billy Eppler and baseball ops will conduct initial interviews. Owner Steve Cohen will get involved for final interviews.
Lack of experience would seem to be his major negative; after Rojas do they go in that direction again?
The problem is outside of Bochy the only experienced manager who has had any success, although every team did better AFTER he left, is Buck Showalter. The problem I have seen with the recent Mets managers is that they did not have a feel for the game. They always seemed to either be too early or too late when making moves. You will never get it right 100% of the time, but whatever the Mets tried always seemed to backfire.
a first time manager. if it's the right person, and obviously sometimes you don't know until you know. So I acknowledge it's a risk.
but Alex Cora, as an example, won a World Series in year 1 of being a manager. Which is why I felt like Beltran, also as an example, would be no less risky than a retread.
(and they apparently had a contentious relationship) Dan Duquette claimed Showalter ignored data given to him which was evidenced by xyz pitchers having success after they left. On the same token both Britt Ghiroli/Dan Connolly (both of whom covered the Orioles) called him the best manager they ever covered.
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
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Only 5 Mets managerial candidates are known so far — Showalter, Ausmus, Espada, Quatraro, Kelly — but with upgraded vetting and a couple interview rounds expected, no hire is expected this week. There also could be a mystery candidate or more (unknown).
Michael Marino
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Source: Steve Cohen has told Billy Eppler that he wants Buck Showalter as #Mets manager. He has given Billy the ability to conduct his own search, but Billy is aware of his preference. Additionally, “At least 1 big name Mets player wants Buck and is vocal about it”.
He was a finalist for the job that went to Kapler
manager
Managerial candidate.
to take him back in a deal for a SP (to lower the prospect cost) but it might be something they explore
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Andy Martino
@martinonyc
Expect Mets managerial interviews to begin this week -- news on permission requests and actual interviews w/the names reported Friday: Kelly, Quatraro, Espada, Showalter, Ausmus. Other names are on list and may join the party later.
in most cases players can remain in contact with teams head physicians during the LO as they are considered private contractors #Mets
12:42
Have you heard what an international draft would look like? Currently players sign ~age 16. Would players be draft eligible at that age?
Kevin Goldstein
12:43
Likely 15-20 rounds. Likely hard slots. Likely hard cap on players signed after the draft. And yes, 16.
@mikemayer22
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There will be a minor league Rule 5 draft on Wednesday at 2 pm.
Baseball America notes that Mets right-handed pitcher Allan Winans is one of the best players available.
Winans had 1.72 ERA 0.81 WHIP between Brooklyn and Binghamton this season.
@mikemayer22
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Rays have given the Mets permission to interview Matt Quatraro. Sounds like it could take place tomorrow.
Quatraro has interviewed for the A's managerial opening per @TBTimes_Rays
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Dan, what's your thinking on this. The Mets want to be data-driven. Showalter's not the type of manager to listen to tips from the office about who the play and where, is he?
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have reached out to Showalter.
Dan, what's your thinking on this. The Mets want to be data-driven. Showalter's not the type of manager to listen to tips from the office about who the play and where, is he?
I personally believe "manager" to be a pretty overvalued role. A huge part of it is controlling the clubhouse and the media. James Click started his career as a part time data scientist/BP contributor, he's running the Astros, Anthopoulos is on record regard how much he learned from the Dodgers and their analytics team, we all know about the Rays and Dodgers.
Every successful team is moving towards a model where the FO provides data and "light prodding" to their manager and it's a groupthink with decision making. Showalter won't be the hire unless they feel he can work within this type of setup. They have made 36 analytics hires, and are still hiring. If they feel Buck is receptive. His quotes from 2018 seem to imply he'd be open to such a setup, if they don't think he is, he won't be the hire.
"Buck Showalter: “One thing about analytics is that we all question what we don’t understand. You need to learn, so during the spring we do Analytics for Dummies. That’s what we call it. We take our most veteran baseball people, our on-the-field lifers, and bring them upstairs to go over every analytic there is and find the [equivalent of a] .300 batting average in every one of them. We take the black cloud of unknown away from it.
“What we’ve found is that most of our veteran people go, ‘Oh, really? That’s all it is?’ They’re not demeaning it, they’re just saying, ‘Now I understand.’ Know where the .300 batting average of WAR is, and what it tells you. Just as important, what doesn’t it tell you that you have to be aware of.
The Manager’s Perspective: Buck Showalter on the Changing Game - ( New Window )
Ausmus seems like a compromise candidate. if they want someone with managing experience but more youthful than buck.
wouldn't like it but wouldn't hate it.
buck imo has the highest short term upside.
highest long term upside? who knows but probably not buck just because he's older. but he's 6 years younger than Dusty and if whoever they hire lasts 6 years+ it will be a successful hire.
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like Ausmus the least of the names being mentioned but not so strongly that I'll be really upset. I just find him to be the least interesting/intriguing but I won't be going on a long rant about how awful the hire is if he's the pick. I reserve the right to change my tune if they hire somebody truly ridiculous (Larry Bowa? c'mon lol).
Ausmus seems like a compromise candidate. if they want someone with managing experience but more youthful than buck.
wouldn't like it but wouldn't hate it.
buck imo has the highest short term upside.
highest long term upside? who knows but probably not buck just because he's older. but he's 6 years younger than Dusty and if whoever they hire lasts 6 years+ it will be a successful hire.
Ausmus just strikes me as quite vanilla. Smart guy I'm sure (Dartmouth) but I've never really heard anybody rave about him. I'm sure he'd be fine, just wouldn't be enthusiastic about it personally.
@JonHeyman
Mets have reached out to interview Astros bench coach Joe Espada. Has strong link to Billy Eppler from when they were both with Yankees. Serious contender.
in this case it makes sense to do the experienced guys first and let them set a bar. then see if someone else exceeds that bar.
in this case it makes sense to do the experienced guys first and let them set a bar. then see if someone else exceeds that bar.
Bochy is in fact employed with the Giants, but I doubt they would need permission as his job is "special advisor" which is basically a part-time role. It's possible out of respect to the Giants, they would still ask for permission (which the Giants obviously would grant).
if he wants in though can you say no to that? he won 30% of the world series last decade lol
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Mets managerial interviews begin today, though it isn’t known who had the leadoff position among candidates. GM Billy Eppler and baseball ops will conduct initial interviews. Owner Steve Cohen will get involved for final interviews.
The problem is outside of Bochy the only experienced manager who has had any success, although every team did better AFTER he left, is Buck Showalter. The problem I have seen with the recent Mets managers is that they did not have a feel for the game. They always seemed to either be too early or too late when making moves. You will never get it right 100% of the time, but whatever the Mets tried always seemed to backfire.
but Alex Cora, as an example, won a World Series in year 1 of being a manager. Which is why I felt like Beltran, also as an example, would be no less risky than a retread.
Mets top 20 prospects for the 2022 season - ( New Window )
@JonHeyman
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Only 5 Mets managerial candidates are known so far — Showalter, Ausmus, Espada, Quatraro, Kelly — but with upgraded vetting and a couple interview rounds expected, no hire is expected this week. There also could be a mystery candidate or more (unknown).
@genymets
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NEWS: According to @martinonyc
, the #Mets are "hoping" to hire a manager by the end of the next week. #LGM
@ragazzoreport
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Sources: Mets ace pitcher Max Scherzer has made it known that he prefers Buck Showalter to be the team’s next manager
@ragazzoreport
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Sources: Mets ace pitcher Max Scherzer has made it known that he prefers Buck Showalter to be the team’s next manager
Not a great look for Ausmus considering he actually managed Scherzer...
@NYPost_Mets
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Bob Geren will interview for the Mets managerial opening this week, I can confirm. @martinonyc
first reported.
@MichaelMarino37
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Source: Steve Cohen has told Billy Eppler that he wants Buck Showalter as #Mets manager. He has given Billy the ability to conduct his own search, but Billy is aware of his preference. Additionally, “At least 1 big name Mets player wants Buck and is vocal about it”.
Link - ( New Window )