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DanMetroMan : 12/6/2021 11:16 am
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RE: 2014  
Vanzetti : 12/9/2021 12:24 pm : link
In comment 15487437 DanMetroMan said:
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tigers were LOADED

Scherzer, Verlander, Porcello, Anibal Sanchez, Smyly, Price


Miggy, Kinsler, JD Martinez, Victor Martinez, Hunter, Rajai Davis, Austin Jackson

Swept first round... by Showalter's Orioles no less a mediocre roster that somehow won 96 games

Seems like one has to bend over backwards to really vouch for Ausmus as the best hire Link - ( New Window )


Ausmus is smart. He went to Dartmouth.

He was also a catcher and there is the whole theory that catchers make the best mangers because they are the most familiar with pitching.

He has experience and is not adverse to analytics.

He has always seemed on paper like a guy who was going to be a great manger. That's why he was hired twice.

However, he just seems to lack something. Maybe its leadership or personality. And as you have pointed out the fact that Scherzer wants Buck speaks volumes.

Buck really seems like the better choice, especially for a team like the Mets who have committed to winning now.
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DanMetroMan : 12/9/2021 2:25 pm : link
Joel Sherman
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The #Mets’s sixth and expected to be final first-round interview for their managing position is with #Dodgers first base coach Clayton McCullough, The Post has learned.
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DanMetroMan : 12/9/2021 2:37 pm : link
Prior to joining the Dodgers organization in 2015, McCullough worked in the Toronto Blue Jays organization from 2006–2014, serving as the manager of the GCL Blue Jays (2006–2007), Class-A Lansing Lugnuts (2008–2009), Advanced-A Dunedin Blue Jays (2010–2011) and Class-A Vancouver Canadians (2012–2013). He posted a combined record of 629–559 during his managerial career in the Blue Jays’ organization.
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DanMetroMan : 12/9/2021 2:38 pm : link
No inside information, but I semi-wonder if McCullough's interview, might (in part) be to see if he might be a good option to serve as Buck's bench coach. He does have 8 years experience as a manager and likely isn't quite ready to be considered a serious candidate
wonder if this is zauzmer pick for bench coach who speaks analytics  
Eric on Li : 12/9/2021 2:45 pm : link
In comment 15488456 DanMetroMan said:
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No inside information, but I semi-wonder if McCullough's interview, might (in part) be to see if he might be a good option to serve as Buck's bench coach. He does have 8 years experience as a manager and likely isn't quite ready to be considered a serious candidate
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DanMetroMan : 12/9/2021 2:50 pm : link
Maybe not as "out of the blue" as we think. McCullough was a candidate to replace Bruce Bochy, the job that later went to Gabe Kapler. He must be a pretty impressive guy to have been considered by Zaidi with 0 MLB coaching experience
(Old but relevant)  
DanMetroMan : 12/9/2021 2:51 pm : link
McCullough, who turned 36 in December, was scooped up by the Toronto Blue Jays and spent the next seven years in the Blue Jays minor league system. Beginning as a hitting instructor with the rookie level Pulaski Blue Jays he proceeded to build a resume in managing positions with the Gulf Coast League Blue Jays, the Lansing Lugnuts in the Midwest League, the A+ Dunedin Blue Jays in the Florida State League and the Vancouver Canadians in the Northwest League. Along the way he was named Manager of the Year in 2011 with the FSL Blue Jays and led the Vancouver Canadians to two consecutive Northwest League Championships. In 2012 he gained his second straight Manager of the Year Award, this time with the Canadians.
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DanMetroMan : 12/9/2021 2:58 pm : link
Mike Puma
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The Mets' first-round managerial interviews appear complete with Dodgers coach Clayton McCullough, as @Joelsherman1
reported. Steve Cohen will become involved in the next round, which might begin as soon as this weekend. He will speak with 2-3 finalists.
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DanMetroMan : 12/9/2021 3:50 pm : link
Seth Frankoff
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A major league team will be very lucky to have Clayton as their manager. His combination of feel/knowledge of the game and ability to communicate with different personalities/personnel is off the charts!
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DanMetroMan : 12/9/2021 4:12 pm : link
Per @JeffPassan @mets wanted to sign BOTH Gausman and Scherzer. Sucks they didn't land Gausman but it does suggest they realize they need another "good" SP. One of the Oakland/Reds "6"? Rodon? Somebody else? #Mets
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Eric on Li : 12/9/2021 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15488570 DanMetroMan said:
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Per @JeffPassan @mets wanted to sign BOTH Gausman and Scherzer. Sucks they didn't land Gausman but it does suggest they realize they need another "good" SP. One of the Oakland/Reds "6"? Rodon? Somebody else? #Mets


it's really too bad Syndergaard bailed early. He'd have been the perfect final piece to the rotation - especially if he agreed to do extended ST for a while so that way he could finish the season without any innings limitations. that would have even opened up a slot to add another depth guy to start the year with a spot for at least a month or two.
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Eric on Li : 12/9/2021 4:41 pm : link
In comment 15488545 DanMetroMan said:
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Seth Frankoff
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A major league team will be very lucky to have Clayton as their manager. His combination of feel/knowledge of the game and ability to communicate with different personalities/personnel is off the charts!


I wonder if they can lure him with a bench coach spot and a salary bump if they like him a lot but go with 1 of the veterans? bench coach is kind of a promotion and if they go with buck he's obviously older than roberts by a healthy margin. plus a new experience for Clayton.
Rodon/Greinke  
DanMetroMan : 12/9/2021 4:43 pm : link
call it a day wooooooooooo

deGrom/Scherzer/Rodon/Walker/Greinke/Carrasco/Peterson/Megill/Yamamoto
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DanMetroMan : 12/9/2021 4:44 pm : link
In comment 15488590 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15488545 DanMetroMan said:


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Seth Frankoff
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A major league team will be very lucky to have Clayton as their manager. His combination of feel/knowledge of the game and ability to communicate with different personalities/personnel is off the charts!



I wonder if they can lure him with a bench coach spot and a salary bump if they like him a lot but go with 1 of the veterans? bench coach is kind of a promotion and if they go with buck he's obviously older than roberts by a healthy margin. plus a new experience for Clayton.


Sounds good but Showalter on more than one occasion mentioned how familiarity is something he really pushes for in his coaching staff. He kept many of his coaches for the entire run in Baltimore (Wayne Kirby all 8 seasons) etc. My guess, is he will want his own bench coach. Good chance he would have picked Dickerson had he not just joined the Phillies.
Mets  
DanMetroMan : 12/9/2021 4:46 pm : link
did make contact with Stroman but doesn't sound like an offer was ever made.
this is just a guess but i think they have sights above Rodon  
Eric on Li : 12/9/2021 4:49 pm : link
just in terms of reliability. I think given the age of the rest of the current top 3 and the fact that it's still unknown how effective Walker can be over a full year, they are going to want someone with a track record of 30+ starts.

Matz has done 29+ the last 3 full years and Gausman has done 31+ the last 5 full years, and those are the 2 SP other than Scherzer we know they had committable offers in front of. I could see them rolling the dice on Rodon (+ another depth guy as insurance) if other things don't develop but I think they will first try to find someone more similar in reliability to matz/gausman.
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DanMetroMan : 12/9/2021 4:50 pm : link
Showalter had John Russell as his BC his final 7 seasons (Willie Randolph year 1), Wayne Kirby all 8 as his 1b coach, Dickerson his last 6 as 3b coach. Kirby and Dickerson had worked with Buck previously. It's of course possible they force Buck to take on xyz (managers usually don't have full say) but bench coach is a pretty major role to push on him.
Zack Greinke  
DanMetroMan : 12/9/2021 4:51 pm : link
age and all, still projected 1.9 fWAR, reliably 170+ innings per year, could do a lot worse as a veteran #5.
Greinke  
DanMetroMan : 12/9/2021 4:52 pm : link
170+ innings...13 times! (Again, I like him as a #5 and depth ala Livan Hernandez, not as a Gausman plan B).
RE: Buck  
Eric on Li : 12/9/2021 4:52 pm : link
In comment 15488608 DanMetroMan said:
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Showalter had John Russell as his BC his final 7 seasons (Willie Randolph year 1), Wayne Kirby all 8 as his 1b coach, Dickerson his last 6 as 3b coach. Kirby and Dickerson had worked with Buck previously. It's of course possible they force Buck to take on xyz (managers usually don't have full say) but bench coach is a pretty major role to push on him.


I expect the staff will be filled with 80-90% guys he has relationships with and then a handful of others the organization likes (kind of like Hefner - though I wouldn't be shocked if his role changes or something) - and also I wouldn't be surprised if they add new/extra positions sort of like SFG.
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DanMetroMan : 12/9/2021 4:54 pm : link
believe they have officially named Hefner pitching coach so I doubt they change his role.
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DanMetroMan : 12/9/2021 4:57 pm : link
suspect Kirby is the 1b coach, Butterfield a good guess at 3b or even BC. As for the FO, the more I read about Jonathan Strangio the more I think he's a big time fit. Long Island guy who worked closely with Eppler with LAA, interned for the Mets, pitched for Harvard.
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DanMetroMan : 12/9/2021 5:39 pm : link
Potential bench coach for Buck Showalter...Don Wakamatsu. Wakamatsu managed for 3 seasons and served as Buck's bench coach for 5 seasons in Texas. He is currently available
a very simple way for buck to articulate his openness to analytics  
Eric on Li : 12/9/2021 5:47 pm : link
would be to have 1 or 2 spots on his staff that are fresh faces in part chosen by the FO and with input from the analytics team (which is why the zauzmer connect is potentially interesting).
RE: a very simple way for buck to articulate his openness to analytics  
DanMetroMan : 12/9/2021 5:52 pm : link
In comment 15488644 Eric on Li said:
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would be to have 1 or 2 spots on his staff that are fresh faces in part chosen by the FO and with input from the analytics team (which is why the zauzmer connect is potentially interesting).


Just feels like bench coach would be a major role to "give up" to somebody you have absolutely zero history with. Already pitching coach isn't your pick (nothing against Hefner). I'd be surprised if they went with McCullough unless Buck has him forced upon him.
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DanMetroMan : 12/9/2021 5:55 pm : link
could see something like the Rays have where they have a coach on staff specifically for that role. Jonathan Erlichman has zero previous coaching experience, never played either and yet he's part of the coaching staff "Process & Analytics Coach"
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Eric on Li : 12/9/2021 5:59 pm : link
In comment 15488651 DanMetroMan said:
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could see something like the Rays have where they have a coach on staff specifically for that role. Jonathan Erlichman has zero previous coaching experience, never played either and yet he's part of the coaching staff "Process & Analytics Coach"


this is just a guess but it wouldn't shock me if the new staff has 2 or more titles that we've never had before. Hoarding smart people is sort of the new frontier of MLB.
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Dennis : 12/9/2021 6:24 pm : link
In comment 15488584 Eric on Li said:
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Per @JeffPassan @mets wanted to sign BOTH Gausman and Scherzer. Sucks they didn't land Gausman but it does suggest they realize they need another "good" SP. One of the Oakland/Reds "6"? Rodon? Somebody else? #Mets



it's really too bad Syndergaard bailed early. He'd have been the perfect final piece to the rotation - especially if he agreed to do extended ST for a while so that way he could finish the season without any innings limitations. that would have even opened up a slot to add another depth guy to start the year with a spot for at least a month or two.


+1. This is what I keep thinking also. It would have been such a good situation for everyone.
one of the other benefits of lockout is it gives mets time to restack  
Eric on Li : 12/9/2021 6:43 pm : link
their board without the external pressure of free agents looking to sign on their own/other team's timelines or teams making trades on their own timelines. there is no way there was time for Eppler to go through the full market from the time he was hired to the time things started happening.

Now he should have all their analysts cranking to rank their preferences on the entire pitching market whether it's trades or FA:

reliable #2/3 candidates (Manaea, Bassit, Gray, Rodon, etc)
depth players with options (sort of like Trevor Williams/Luchesi)

maybe also browse high end relievers who may only have 1 or 2 years of control left and bigger salaries than their teams prefer. The whole point of having a deep front office is being able to find the next robbie ray, kevin gausman, steven matz to buy low on now before they cash in big in FA.
fun few weeks guys. We know Cohen favors Showalter but  
Rory : 12/9/2021 9:44 pm : link
who do you think Eppler wants who do you think Sandy wants and who do you think think the players want?

I know it might not matter but just thought it would be a fun question.

My guess:
Eppler - Showalter
Sandy - Geren
Players - Espada
I think Eppler wants Showalter  
Eric on Li : 12/9/2021 10:26 pm : link
I think he probably heard a lot good things about him from gene michael over a lot of years. he fits with 2 older pitchers trying to get 1 last ring. it's been reported he wanted him 2 years ago over Maddon. I think that's his guy and who he recommends.

Cohen im sure would prefer someone with a track record to someone "learning on his dime" so I think he takes that recommendation - possibly to the point of being his preference.

Sandy no idea and at this point in his career I think he wants to differ to others. He hired Collins, who was obviously most comparable to Buck. He hired Callaway, who was obviously more comparable to any of the inexperienced guys. It's natural to swing to something different when it doesn't work out which in this case would be a more experienced hire, and we know he was interested in Melvin. So I'd guess he go with 1 of the experience candidates but not sure which one.
Britton mailbag, not much particularly interesting but he makes a good  
Eric on Li : 12/10/2021 10:08 am : link
point regarding the CBA negotiations and what would be good for the mets:

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This leads me to a question nobody asked but I will: What should the Mets want regarding the competitive-balance tax in a new collective bargaining agreement? The basic assumption is that of course a big-market team would prefer a higher CBT threshold and softer penalties for exceeding it. But if Steve Cohen is comfortable consistently paying the penalties as currently structured — and his spending this winter has suggested he’s at least theoretically comfortable with doing that in the short term — doesn’t a system close to the status quo make the Mets more of an outlier? They’d be willing to go over the threshold when very few other teams would. And wouldn’t that be what’s most beneficial to them in the marketplace?

Just a thought.


also this made me lol.

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As to the question, I was asked earlier this offseason about this front office being much better at preventing leaks than previous ones for the Mets. I responded then as I’ll respond now: I’ve noticed no significant differences.


we too have noticed no significant differences in the number of leaks you get Tim.
Mets mail part 1: On managerial candidates, filling out the coaching staff, remaining offseason to-do list and more - ( New Window )
Syndergaard bailing  
Vanzetti : 12/10/2021 3:16 pm : link
I think it had to do with Noah's perception that the Mets were not "cool."

All the guys turning down opportunities to interview for the GM position. Combined with their poor finishes the last few years.

Also, one that does not get mentioned: Steve Cohen is the personification of evil on social justice blogs. On Reddit's Wall Street Bets, with well over a million followers, mostly young and social justice oriented, Cohen was consistently bashed during the Gamestop/meme stocks bubble. (Of course, this ignores that the meme stockers were trying to do exactly what Steve Cohen and other hedge fund mangers do. They just were not as good at it.)

I'm not say Thor read something and decided that's it. Rather, it was a general atmosphere about the team and the owner.

That's why I think Eppler was so smart to come in like a hurricane. Sign some quality vets short term as part of the plan to lure the Biggest Fish of them all. Once the Mets signed Scherzer that changed the entire perception.

And I would be willing to bet that Thor regrets having signed with the Angels. It seemed like an incredibly impulsive decision.





Five of the Best Starting Pitchers Available in Free Agency  
Dennis : 12/10/2021 3:44 pm : link
Article below, in the link.
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RE: fun few weeks guys. We know Cohen favors Showalter but  
Mike in NY : 12/10/2021 3:55 pm : link
In comment 15488804 Rory said:
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who do you think Eppler wants who do you think Sandy wants and who do you think think the players want?

I know it might not matter but just thought it would be a fun question.

My guess:
Eppler - Showalter
Sandy - Geren
Players - Espada


Scherzer has also said Buck. I think Showalter and Espada (in some order) are 1 and 1A for both Eppler and the players. Sandy wants Geren because of their past relationship and that Sandy/Sandy's son can control him. The question for Cohen will be whether he goes with the vet or the manager that offers the most upside. I think he goes the safe route especially knowing that Buck is probably in the top 2 of everyone versus someone who might be #1 on more lists but lower down on those who value MLB expereince.
rumors are we are down  
Rory : 12/12/2021 8:30 pm : link
to 2 candidates. Buck and Espada, may the best man win.

It really is nice to know Mets are aiming for the best candidates, its nice to see we are really trying to win now.

Remember our candidates when we hired Beltran? Rosas, Hale and I think Backman were the best choices. glad that worked out
RE: rumors are we are down  
CGiants07 : 12/12/2021 8:31 pm : link
In comment 15492837 Rory said:
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to 2 candidates. Buck and Espada, may the best man win.

It really is nice to know Mets are aiming for the best candidates, its nice to see we are really trying to win now.

Remember our candidates when we hired Beltran? Rosas, Hale and I think Backman were the best choices. glad that worked out

the guy from tampa is also a finalist
from earlier today  
pjcas18 : 12/12/2021 8:41 pm : link
Tim Healey
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Source: Joe Espada, Matt Quatraro and Buck Showalter are the finalists for the Mets’ managerial job.
RE: from earlier today  
Rory : 12/12/2021 10:22 pm : link
In comment 15492885 pjcas18 said:
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Tim Healey
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Source: Joe Espada, Matt Quatraro and Buck Showalter are the finalists for the Mets’ managerial job.


yea I just saw that, still a great 3rd candidate.
glad all 3 are respected/qualified candidates by reputation  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2021 10:23 am : link
in that respect they can't really go wrong I guess.
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 10:29 am : link
be perfectly happy with all 3. I've actually heard Eppler has pushed Espada very hard. Not saying he's not high on Showalter (who is the likely hire) but Eppler according to who I spoke to thinks (and has believed) Espada is a potential "superstar" in terms of managers.


-Former Mets prospect PCA comes in at #13 in a very deep Cubs system with a 45. For comparisons sake pre-2021 Fangraphs had JT Ginn as a 45 and PCA also a 45. When it comes to fangraphs rankings the grade is more important than the actual ranking.
New Mets  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 10:31 am : link
job posting

Position: Director, Systems Engineering

Summary:
Our Technology department delivers all technology solutions used within the organization. Our team is comprised of individuals that are highly proficient in their respective technology platforms, articulate, solution driven, client focused and proactive in building their technology skills. We are seeking an accomplished senior manager to lead the team focused on end-to-end service delivery from solutions design to operations. In this role, you will take on a wide range of responsibilities including establishing and driving the strategic and architectural direction of the team. You will be responsible for team leadership, ensuring that your team members are efficient, happy, and have opportunities to continue to learn and grow their careers.
RE: I'd  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2021 10:41 am : link
In comment 15493629 DanMetroMan said:
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-Former Mets prospect PCA comes in at #13 in a very deep Cubs system with a 45. For comparisons sake pre-2021 Fangraphs had JT Ginn as a 45 and PCA also a 45. When it comes to fangraphs rankings the grade is more important than the actual ranking.


here's their blurb on him.

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Crow-Armstrong was one of the first 2020 high schoolers to be identified as a likely first round talent because of how well he performed against older showcase competition and SoCal varsity pitching. He had a rough pre-draft showcase summer, and while he rebounded later in 2019 during Team USA’s trip to Asia, he didn’t have an extended opportunity to do so in ’20 (his draft year) because of the pandemic, though the Mets picked him 19th overall anyway. He missed most of 2021 due to a labrum surgery that cost him all but 11 big league spring training contests and six regular season games. The Cubs still made him the centerpiece of the Javier Báez deal, but PCA hasn’t put on a Cubs affiliate uniform yet, nor did he participate in instructs. The layoff adds to already-present hit tool risk. Crow-Armstrong has a swing geared for low-ball contact and he is very vulnerable to fastballs in the top third of the zone, almost exactly like SoCal high schooler Blake Rutherford has been. The difference between PCA and Rutherford is that the former plays an incredible center field. That’s going to carry Crow-Armstrong’s profile, which, in broad strokes, compares similarly to Jackie Bradley Jr.’s.


I was a big PCA fan when they drafted him because I think there is solid value in the JBJ's of the world. Premium position plus defense is not nothing and generally a safe carrying tool to bet on.

But a major injury and a 2nd lost year in a row added risk and with an ownership willing to spend he's a guy they can (and kind of have) spent to replace. They may have done well to get something for him while his draft pedigree was still fresh. Fair or unfair the deck is a bit stacked against him with such a long layoff pre-debut. I hope he figures it out though, he seemed like a good kid who had the right intangibles.
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DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 10:49 am : link
to be clear, I wasn't couching the PCA #13 ranking, I just see people throw around the rankings and FG's in particular is clear the similarly graded players are essentially a pretty "random" ranking so they basically have #7-#16 as "similar" caliber prospects
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DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 10:49 am : link
John Means is more solid/good than good-good but his durability and years of control make him intriguing, there also is reason to believe there could be "more" there... his health would be a concern
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DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 10:53 am : link
To give you an idea of the gap between the Angels and Cubs system (depth in particular) the Angels have 3 prospects 45 or greater, the Cubs have 16!
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DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 10:59 am : link
Michael Pineda (as suggested by @TimBritton) would be a fine "depth" arm to add but if he's the 2nd best SP the Mets add this off-season... underwhelming to say the least
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DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 11:04 am : link
Yet another way having a "rich" owner helps.. outbidding teams with higher AAV's for "solid" older guys who haven't made much bank such as....Ryan Tepera
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RE: Just  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2021 11:55 am : link
In comment 15493664 DanMetroMan said:
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to be clear, I wasn't couching the PCA #13 ranking, I just see people throw around the rankings and FG's in particular is clear the similarly graded players are essentially a pretty "random" ranking so they basically have #7-#16 as "similar" caliber prospects


right and while Logenhagen hasnt updated the NYM org list yet, presumably he again would have put PCA between 6-9th. Last year he was 6th with a 45 grade (same grade as Ginn/Lee who were 7th/8th) with the 5 above him carrying a 45+ (Baty), 50 (Vientos, Allan), or 55 (Mauricio, Alvarez) grades.

i'd think Ramirez moves up from a 40+ grade last year year and it's actually a kind of interesting hypothetical in terms of which player we'd have preferred to deal. I think I'd have dealt PCA > Ramirez because the 1 thing you want above all with prospects is potential right?
for SP I think they will get 1 of the oakland guys  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2021 12:00 pm : link
both are just solid fits and the exact type of player they should be trading for (depressed value since they are 1 year from FA, from a team motivated to save $). presumably Eppler has seen a lot of both and likes 1 of them sufficiently. if they can reduce trade cost by taking back even more salary even better.

bullpen will be really interesting to see who they target. a bunch of candidates out there and goes without saying they need to find another loup. hopefully that was a zauzmer find last year.
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