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DanMetroMan : 12/6/2021 11:16 am
Extremely highly thought of. Grew up in upstate NY
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DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 12:01 pm : link
PCA's shoulder is okay he had a very strong shot at being a big leaguer, Ramirez far lower odds. His floor is a guy who flames out as soon as AA. PCA likely had more trade value at the time of the deal however. Ramirez is the guy you want your team to draft (he was an IFA) as a sexy/fun pick and PCA is the guy you're happy to have as part of the system. His upside is still pretty high though, a lead off hitter with some pop and great glove. Think pre-later career power Brett Gardner.
RE: for SP I think they will get 1 of the oakland guys  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 12:14 pm : link
In comment 15493817 Eric on Li said:
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both are just solid fits and the exact type of player they should be trading for (depressed value since they are 1 year from FA, from a team motivated to save $). presumably Eppler has seen a lot of both and likes 1 of them sufficiently. if they can reduce trade cost by taking back even more salary even better.

bullpen will be really interesting to see who they target. a bunch of candidates out there and goes without saying they need to find another loup. hopefully that was a zauzmer find last year.


The Mets have seemingly "always" done the bare minimum when it comes to the BP. What's wrong with an "extra" solid RP? It's not like all relievers cost significant money or prospect cost.
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DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 12:14 pm : link
I want to recommend a book. "So Many Ways to Lose" by Devin Gordon.
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DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 12:16 pm : link
Ya know, I completely missed multiple players in October noting how @Mets were missing a vocal leader. Not sure how common it is for a SP to be that, or to expect that from Scherzer but I found that interesting
at different times Lindor and Alonso seemed like leaders  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2021 12:22 pm : link
but last year i think both got tainted in a way when things went bad.

Lindor obviously with the McNeil fight, the thumbs down schtick, and his own performance being non-ideal for probably the first time in his life.

without speaking for someone else it was hinted here that Alonso was the ring leader of the criticisms Scott spoke of in early August (not following rehab instructions, etc).

I think i'd previously said the new manager should call mcneil first but in reality he's probably 3rd. new manager needs to get those 2 onboard with being the right kind of leader because they both have the personality and talent for the role. And both should be here for the better part of the next decade.
RE: at different times Lindor and Alonso seemed like leaders  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 12:23 pm : link
In comment 15493871 Eric on Li said:
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but last year i think both got tainted in a way when things went bad.

Lindor obviously with the McNeil fight, the thumbs down schtick, and his own performance being non-ideal for probably the first time in his life.

without speaking for someone else it was hinted here that Alonso was the ring leader of the criticisms Scott spoke of in early August (not following rehab instructions, etc).

I think i'd previously said the new manager should call mcneil first but in reality he's probably 3rd. new manager needs to get those 2 onboard with being the right kind of leader because they both have the personality and talent for the role. And both should be here for the better part of the next decade.


McNeil actually stated they have "never" had this kind of leader during his time here. Loup essentially said the same (though he was only here for one season).
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DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 12:25 pm : link
was told a few months ago that Lindor was very well liked in the clubhouse. I know Chili Davis seemed to take a shot at him, but we have to remember, Lindor's struggles probably help end Chili's run here.
Two things that bug me throughout the manager search  
Shecky : 12/13/2021 12:48 pm : link
One is, how come they have absolutely no problem attracting an incredible pool of managerial candidates, but no one wanted to even interview for the HEAD job? Hmm
Second, and probably just over thinking it too much. Nothing leaks publicly that they don’t want to get out. But last weeks “Cohen prefers Buck” made absolutely no sense to get out there - who benefits from that? Unless It’s to show Eppler is really fully in charge, unlike the last time an owner weighed in on the managerial choice.
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DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 12:56 pm : link
dunno, the managerial names sure didn't seem to be under lock and key, in fact it was almost comical how ALL of the suggested names outside of Bochy actually ended up being the names they interviewed. They might as well have provided the list to the writers to leak. Not suggesting they did that but unlike the GM search this sure seemed to be obvious names, obviously considered.
McNeil is right (at least based on what we know about jdg personality)  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2021 12:58 pm : link
in 2018 when he came up midseason the manager was Mickey and Conforto/Syndergaard were likely the 2 closest thing the organization had to leaders. But at the time both were 25 years old and actually 1 year younger than McNeil himself (since he was a late bloomer). Granderson was gone, Wright was done, so Frazier was probably the closest thing to a vet leader.

In 2019 BVW's attempt at adding a leader was Cano - who has never really had the rep of a great leader and struggled badly with his own performance (not to mention displaced McNeil even though he was the one who had an all star year). Alonso was dynamic but just a rookie.

The 2020 roster was basically the same as 2019 except for Syndergaard getting hurt and Stroman opting out.

A major factor re: Lindor was supposed to be that he was a leader bringing in a track record of winning. There were dozens of puff pieces on it from Spring Training last year through July (with plenty of players quoted). And starting with the fight with McNeil through the thumbs down undoubtedly the area where he most failed last year.

Sandy's recent comments while tame are about as much of a callout of a player just given a $300m extension as I've seen:

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“I think the [clubhouse] dynamic changed during the course of the season,” team president Alderson said. “That’s not unusual when a team is generally winning versus when they’re not as successful.

“What I’m hopeful is those who were new last year become more comfortable and accommodating of the demands that are placed on them in a place like New York.”


I don't think he was talking about McCann.

The success of the first half of the season validated a lot of the decisions the organization made in Cohen's first offseason. Better depth helped them withstand numerous injuries + better defense driven by analytics/acquisitions + better bullpen made them look like a winning squad.

But the disaster of August brought out the flaws that were lurking. A young manager lacking command of the clubhouse both when his middle infield fought each other or when the new MI thumbs downed the fans, a GM not on the same page as the org he oversaw when he fought with his batting coach early or when he called out his players publicly in August, and players preoccupied with the wrong things - led by the $300m man.

Of all the reasons why I think Buck will ultimately get hired his experience as a leader, including being understanding of the demands placed on him in a place like NY, is what is probably the clincher. He seems like the right kind of presence to help Lindor and Alonso get on track to being the leaders the organization needs them to be.
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DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 1:02 pm : link
dunno, these don't sound like references to Lindor to me at all


"I think that's probably the one guy we might've been missing this year, is the [guy who says] 'OK, that's enough, it's time to get down to business,'" Aaron Loup told Devin Gordon of ESPN. "Because we all know everybody's trying, and you always get the rah-rah, 'next game, you got this' stuff. But at some point you need, 'OK, enough. It's time to go, now.'"


"We don't really have one guy who's getting after people," McNeil told Gordon late in the season. "Maybe it's something we do need. ... I've never really had that on the Mets. Three or four years, I've never really had that."

Sounds more like they didn't have an "asshole" who would get on people
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DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 1:05 pm : link
actually think it's a bit of an indictment of Alonso, who has been here for a while, is quick to talk to the media and be overtly positive and how people in the clubhouse aren't worried etc.
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DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 1:07 pm : link
Sandy is expecting Lindor to suddenly be that, that's extremely weird. A leader (and how a player leads) is a natural trait. You want Lindor to suddenly change who he is? That comes off as inauthentic.
shecky you would know better but here's a theory (beyond permissions)  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2021 1:07 pm : link
managers are a fundamentally different breed than front office types.

managers do press every day in-season regardless of where they manage. even in the minors.

front office types rarely do press even at the GM level.

managers are used to travel and changing jobs every few years.

managers know the only way they keep their jobs is by winning.

the front office types the mets were looking for permissions on were in some cases people who'd been at the same organization for 5-10-20 years, already on a comfortable track to financial security without uprooting families or becoming backpage fodder for the Post.

the experienced GM's accustomed to the front of camera responsibilities that came along with the job were publicly leaking their interest (sabean, melvin).

the younger type of candidate the mets were targeting were different though - and I think the quote about how this job wasn't fit for someone who was uncomfortable being uncomfortable has a lot of truth in it.

and obviously for some of them permissions were an issue. LAD and MIL are 2 franchises we know denied them permissions over the past couple offseasons.
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Eric on Li : 12/13/2021 1:11 pm : link
In comment 15493976 DanMetroMan said:
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Sandy is expecting Lindor to suddenly be that, that's extremely weird. A leader (and how a player leads) is a natural trait. You want Lindor to suddenly change who he is? That comes off as inauthentic.


no i think the point with Lindor wasn't change your personality it was stop focusing on what you can't control - specifically re: the fans/the media narratives. the complaints about fans booing was a constant for several months before it metastasized into the thumbs down thing.

i think everyone likes Lindor's personality just fine because I don't think the players were lying when they were quoted saying all the positive stuff about him.

I think the implication is that he got frustrated with the extra stuff that comes with NY and handled it poorly.
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DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 1:16 pm : link
think they had an overly vanilla roster (personality wise) and didn't have the manager with experience to handle that. Their best player doesn't really speak to the media much (and is a pitcher). Who on that team is really known as fiery? Conforto was being portrayed as the leader... because of his on field play and being a class act. Stroman might be fiery but it seemed only in relation to himself, the media and fans, if anything he seemed entirely focused on himself (and I say that as somebody who happily would have brought him back on that Cubs deal).
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Eric on Li : 12/13/2021 1:18 pm : link
In comment 15493974 DanMetroMan said:
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actually think it's a bit of an indictment of Alonso, who has been here for a while, is quick to talk to the media and be overtly positive and how people in the clubhouse aren't worried etc.


maybe a bit but Alonso is also well liked and clearly has the natural charisma of a leader.

the bigger indictment of Alonso is if he was doing some of the things Scott alleged.

bottomline I think both Alonso and Lindor have all the ingredients to be successful leaders here in NY if they have the right support systems around them to show them the way and keep them accountable. Scott and Rojas were not that.

also not to get off on a tangent that derails the thread, but 1 of the original warning signs of the season was when as a team they didn't hit whatever that threshold was for the vaccine to loosen the covid restrictions. not trying to get into that 3rd rail discussion but from a competition standpoint they were setting themselves back from day 1.
Kid  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 1:31 pm : link
the Cubs got for Rizzo sounds like a big-time boom or bust type (#2 in the Cubs system). They have done a bang up job rebuilding that farm.
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DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 2:43 pm : link
Interesting, apparently there is/was a rumor @Mariners had a deal in place for Sonny Gray but they ran out of time?
Ben  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 2:57 pm : link
Clemens thinks the cost for Bassitt would be something like a 45+ prospect and a lotto ticket type.
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DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 3:46 pm : link
Buster Olney
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Justin Verlander’s two-year, $50 million agreement for '22-'23 with Houston has been given formal approval by Major League Baseball, even at a time when the owners have locked out the players in the on-going labor battle.
MLB and the union have worked through the final details.
Alvarez  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 4:24 pm : link
7, Baty 14 in RJ Anderson's top 20 prospects


7. Francisco Álvarez, C, Mets (Age: 20)

The first of two Mets prospects on the list, Álvarez only turned 20 years old in November. Despite his youth, he hit .272/.388/.554 with 24 home runs across two levels in 2021. Part of Álvarez's season included a stint with the St. Lucie Mets. It was then that he posted the highest average exit velocity the league saw all season -- and that league included the likes of Jordan Walker, Anthony Volpe, and Austin Hendrick. It's rare to see such offensive potency from a young backstop who is certain to remain behind the plate. Álvarez figures to open the year in Double-A; he's one to watch.


14. Brett Baty, 3B, Mets (Age: 22)

Some evaluators in the industry expressed skepticism when the Mets drafted Baty 12th overall in 2019. Their criticism had less to do with him as a player and more to do with his age, as he was hurtling toward his 20th birthday despite being a high-schooler. Baty did well to quiet concerns in his first full pro season, batting .292/.382/.473 with 12 home runs and 22 doubles across High- and Double-A. Baty's boosters see a strong-bodied third baseman who could be a plus hitter. There are some areas of concern to keep in mind with him, however, as his strikeout (25.6 percent) and groundball (61.2 percent) rates at Double-A suggest he wasn't maximizing skill set, especially considering his well-above-average raw juice.
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Eric on Li : 12/13/2021 4:28 pm : link
In comment 15494149 DanMetroMan said:
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Clemens thinks the cost for Bassitt would be something like a 45+ prospect and a lotto ticket type.


That seems about right and Lee or Ginn would fit. I'd have no issue dealing Lee + a lower level prospect (like a Junior Santos). Not sure I'd do Ginn unless they think he's a reliever.

Assuming Oakland eventually trades Olson I still think Dom is a pretty fair deal for either Bassitt/Manaea and the NYM probably need a slight+ if anything since they are giving up 2 extra years of control and taking on the $. And if Oak doesn't want Dom, we know the Twins were interested so maybe there's a 3 team that makes sense vs. dealing off any more prospects.

My general preference would be trading as little talent as possible and taking back any other $ they are looking to dump.
DMM do you think he's right about starting at AA? Seems aggressive?  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2021 4:30 pm : link
In comment 15494271 DanMetroMan said:
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7. Francisco Álvarez, C, Mets (Age: 20)

The first of two Mets prospects on the list, Álvarez only turned 20 years old in November. Despite his youth, he hit .272/.388/.554 with 24 home runs across two levels in 2021. Part of Álvarez's season included a stint with the St. Lucie Mets. It was then that he posted the highest average exit velocity the league saw all season -- and that league included the likes of Jordan Walker, Anthony Volpe, and Austin Hendrick. It's rare to see such offensive potency from a young backstop who is certain to remain behind the plate. Álvarez figures to open the year in Double-A; he's one to watch.
RE: DMM do you think he's right about starting at AA? Seems aggressive?  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 4:32 pm : link
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7. Francisco Álvarez, C, Mets (Age: 20)

The first of two Mets prospects on the list, Álvarez only turned 20 years old in November. Despite his youth, he hit .272/.388/.554 with 24 home runs across two levels in 2021. Part of Álvarez's season included a stint with the St. Lucie Mets. It was then that he posted the highest average exit velocity the league saw all season -- and that league included the likes of Jordan Walker, Anthony Volpe, and Austin Hendrick. It's rare to see such offensive potency from a young backstop who is certain to remain behind the plate. Álvarez figures to open the year in Double-A; he's one to watch.




Played 89 games in A+ last year, .889 OPS, unless they held him back to work on his defense (which does need work despite the tools to make it work) AA seems correct to me. Second half 2023 would be my projected eta but again, comes down to the glove.
Wow all of a sudden upper minors not so empty  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2021 4:38 pm : link
Vientos probably debuts some time this year.
Baty right on his heels but maybe they hold until next year for 40 man.
Mauricio/Alvarez in AA so maybe they force it in 2023.
Ginn probably gets to at last AA.

Lee is obviously already AAA but they seem to think of him as a 4th OFer. Plummer too I guess.

if those top 4 do graduate by the end of next year that system is going to be empty unless they hit a grand slam with all the draft capital. huge year for Tanous/Tramuta.
Spoke  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 4:39 pm : link
to someone who confirmed there were "rumors" Seattle was very close to a deal for Gray which included 1 top 10 prospect in the Mariners system and a second piece.
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DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 4:43 pm : link
like Baty a whole lot but hard to see a scenario he sees time in Queens this year. In large part what you noted (doesn't have to be added until after 2022) but he's also not a defensive "asset" even if he ends up average at 3b, hard to see a team down the stretch turning to a guy like that vs. a veteran addition (if there is a need). Sure, he could go all supernova and make it a no-brainer but with Cohens' wallet I suspect we see the Mets as a "salary dump destination" at deadlines going forward. Baty ended up struggling a bit in the AFL and he was good, not great in AA. I suspect he spends at least half the season at AA, finishes in AAA and is in the mix next year to open the season depending on the roster makeup.
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DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 4:46 pm : link
Interesting stat, and strange decision by Carrasco/Hefner/FO based on the data
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DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 5:22 pm : link
James Fox
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The #WhiteSox are signing Cuban outfielder Oscar Colás and Dominican teenager Erick Hernandez in January.
Dan any rumors on the Mets  
bhill410 : 12/13/2021 7:22 pm : link
Being any more involved kn the international market? Or are they stilll a year or two away given the delayed relationships in place.
RE: Dan any rumors on the Mets  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2021 10:12 pm : link
In comment 15494597 bhill410 said:
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Being any more involved kn the international market? Or are they stilll a year or two away given the delayed relationships in place.


Unfortunately, any impact Cohen and Co. might have was said to be “4-5 years”(this was when he bought the team, so this would be the second of “4 or 5” signing periods. away thanks to the grimey way things are done… massive caveat… international draft has more support than ever which would obviously change things substantially. Also should be noted, some top guys do
Wait on agreements so it’s not impossible they sign a top name before that time.
it sounds like int draft is at least in discussion in cba talks  
Eric on Li : 12/14/2021 12:27 am : link
that's probably the best case scenario but who knows how long that phase in is.

if Alvarez pans out i'll be content on the ifa side for a while.
Have there been any discussions?  
bhill410 : 12/14/2021 10:37 am : link
This has the makings of no one being motivated to sit down until Feb 1. Which has to put the start of the season in jeopardy.
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DanMetroMan : 12/14/2021 10:42 am : link
Man, Bryan Reynolds is beyond underrated. Yeah, he stunk in 2020 but 3.2 fWAR as a rookie, 5.5 in his third season, ZiPS projects 3.9 fWAR in 2022

ZiPS also likes Oneil Cruz to have a strong rookie season .269/.319/.500, 17 homers, 2.5 fWAR


Struggled second half, but already 28... what does JT Brubaker cost @mets
via trade?
I referenced  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2021 10:44 am : link
this book above, but I'm Reading "So Many Ways to Lose" and the lack of recognition of Joan Payson by the Mets in almost every way is stunning. Cohen really could/should honor the Mets history even further. Payson and Shea, Kiner/Murph/Nelson etc. Considering his money (and the good will it would add) I think this is a no-brainer.
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DanMetroMan : 12/14/2021 10:49 am : link
Buster Olney
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As the Mets go through their managerial search, Joe Espada's second interview will occur Thursday.
RE: Have there been any discussions?  
Metnut : 12/14/2021 10:49 am : link
In comment 15495126 bhill410 said:
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This has the makings of no one being motivated to sit down until Feb 1. Which has to put the start of the season in jeopardy.


Anything is possible but I’d bet against the season starting on time. I think early May is what we’re looking at and I hope I’m right because i suspect it could be worse than that.
RE: Have there been any discussions?  
Eric on Li : 12/14/2021 10:51 am : link
In comment 15495126 bhill410 said:
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This has the makings of no one being motivated to sit down until Feb 1. Which has to put the start of the season in jeopardy.


nothing that's been reported but i was told by someone that's on the nonpublic briefing calls they don't have much to work out. the expectation is that talks will resume at some point after the holidays and by the real deadlines they will come to a deal. I didn't believe that optimism until the FA burst but now I do - it seems like both sides are fine with most of the status quo.
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Eric on Li : 12/14/2021 10:54 am : link
In comment 15495146 Metnut said:
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This has the makings of no one being motivated to sit down until Feb 1. Which has to put the start of the season in jeopardy.



Anything is possible but I’d bet against the season starting on time. I think early May is what we’re looking at and I hope I’m right because i suspect it could be worse than that.


I was pretty doomsday on these negotiations because of how the 2020 negotiations went but was told point blank this negotiation is a lot easier than that one. The expectation is nothing will happen until they face deadlines but that they will come to an agreement without impacting season.
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DanMetroMan : 12/14/2021 11:13 am : link
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
Showalter is perceived throughout baseball as an overwhelming favorite for the Mets, whose expectations are sky high. Espada and Quatraro are widely respected and will be managers someday but folks on other teams see Showalter as the logical, likely choice. Nothing decided yet.
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DanMetroMan : 12/14/2021 2:30 pm : link
Christopher Soto
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Week 8 #LIDOM Rosters are out.

As expected, #Mets 2B Robinson Cano has been re-activated after missing a few weeks due to injury and returning to the US.
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Eric on Li : 12/14/2021 2:35 pm : link
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Christopher Soto
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Week 8 #LIDOM Rosters are out.

As expected, #Mets 2B Robinson Cano has been re-activated after missing a few weeks due to injury and returning to the US.


if he were to get hurt, could the mets move to void the deal? or was it allowed as part of a previous CBA (or with team permission or something)?

I believe Cano was still technically suspended when that season started so not sure if he was doing so on his own or with permission from the mets?
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DanMetroMan : 12/14/2021 2:38 pm : link
In comment 15495659 Eric on Li said:
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Christopher Soto
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Week 8 #LIDOM Rosters are out.

As expected, #Mets 2B Robinson Cano has been re-activated after missing a few weeks due to injury and returning to the US.



if he were to get hurt, could the mets move to void the deal? or was it allowed as part of a previous CBA (or with team permission or something)?

I believe Cano was still technically suspended when that season started so not sure if he was doing so on his own or with permission from the mets?


Can't void the deal unless he was doing something that was banned per the terms of his contract. Some agents have pulled their players because insurance may not cover. He got hurt before the lockout, there is no way in the world the Mets would be able to argue their way out of that. He was reinstated on 11/4, played his first game AFTER he was reinstated.
Mauricio  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2021 2:47 pm : link
was removed from the roster due to performance (they take these games very seriously) but current MLB players are still playing (Aaron Hicks for one).
Interesting  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2021 2:51 pm : link
Fish Stripes
@fishstripes
Craig Mish: "I have not heard ANYTHING positive about Sixto Sánchez over the past year. Nothing."

Implies that Sixto has disobeyed the Marlins organization on aspects of his rehab/conditioning plan since suffering shoulder injury in the spring.
Bowden  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2021 3:44 pm : link
"it will be a shock" if it's not Showalter
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DanMetroMan : 12/14/2021 4:56 pm : link
Mike Puma
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Matt Quatraro's interview for Mets manager is today. I'm hearing the second-round interviews will be late-afternoon/early evening, after the markets have closed, so Steve Cohen can stay focused on his day job.
2021  
DanMetroMan : 12/14/2021 5:57 pm : link
organizational all-stars (some of which are no longer even around... David Thompson, Drew Jackson and Winans are all "ex-Mets", Cortes we shall see)
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jpkmets : 12/14/2021 6:48 pm : link
In comment 15494321 DanMetroMan said:
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like Baty a whole lot but hard to see a scenario he sees time in Queens this year. In large part what you noted (doesn't have to be added until after 2022) but he's also not a defensive "asset" even if he ends up average at 3b, hard to see a team down the stretch turning to a guy like that vs. a veteran addition (if there is a need). Sure, he could go all supernova and make it a no-brainer but with Cohens' wallet I suspect we see the Mets as a "salary dump destination" at deadlines going forward. Baty ended up struggling a bit in the AFL and he was good, not great in AA. I suspect he spends at least half the season at AA, finishes in AAA and is in the mix next year to open the season depending on the roster makeup.


How concerned are you about the talk coming from the AFL that Baty struggles against elite velocity, given how much priority teams give to velocity over pitchability these days?
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