Good hire who can sell the U's traditions. The problem with Miami is at athletic director and board room level regarding fully committing $ to the program to allow it to compete with the Alabamas and Ohio States of the world
Cristobal returns to his alma mater - (
New Window )
The program is just a mess similar to the Giants.
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the last one being who?
As an ACC guy, we need a strong Miami (and FSU, VT, UNC, etc.) competing with Clemson and at least making a small dent in the SEC.
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Piss poor game coach. I don't like this hire for Miami. They are too romantic with these type of legacy hires.
the last one being who?
Richt.
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Piss poor game coach. I don't like this hire for Miami. They are too romantic with these type of legacy hires.
the last one being who?
Richt.
Richt got them to their first ACCCG, their only bowl win in the last decade, and had them in the top 10 all 3 years he was there.
He was just burned out - probably in part due to the health issues he had soon after his unexpected retirement.
He also barely qualifies as a "romanticized legacy". He was a backup QB who barely played and was far more known for his decades+ at FSU + UGA. His playing career was a complete afterthought that most Miami fans didn't even know about before he got hired.
Miami is paying Cristobal $8m/year for 10 years and at the same time making the Clemson AD one of the highest paid in CFB, so while you're right traditionally Miami's biggest problem has been money that seems to have changed. They have a few billionaires drove the bus to get Cristobal and are also trying to build a new stadium closer to the campus (which will probably never happen but if the money's there they will find a way to spend it on other things).
Supposedly they already have an interview set up with Joe Brady for OC, and pairing him with Tyler Van Dyke would be a very good use of $.
Piss poor game coach. I don't like this hire for Miami. They are too romantic with these type of legacy hires.
the last one being who?
Richt.
Richt got them to their first ACCCG, their only bowl win in the last decade, and had them in the top 10 all 3 years he was there.
He was just burned out - probably in part due to the health issues he had soon after his unexpected retirement.
He also barely qualifies as a "romanticized legacy". He was a backup QB who barely played and was far more known for his decades+ at FSU + UGA. His playing career was a complete afterthought that most Miami fans didn't even know about before he got hired.
Where did I mention how Richt did? But he was hired because he was a legacy. Same with Randy Shannon, who was a disaster.
he had a career .740 winning% in the SEC and 9-5 record in bowl games over 15 years
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because he was a backup QB for Miami in the 80's.
tough call.
and Shannon didn't get hired because he was an alumni, he got promoted after winning a national championship as D Coordinator and because he was cheap at a time Miami didn't have a lot of money.
Butch Davis was a legacy too, or was that also a mistake?
Pretty sure almost every college program does the same thing when they have openings - gets the best guy they can for the money they have available.
Sometimes coaches have an affinity for the school they went to or played for, especially if it's their hometown where their family still lives, which makes it easier to attract them (as happened with Cristobal here).
I am not sure of Cristobal as a game coach, but the man can recruit.
Good for The U. College football is more compelling when they're a force.
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Piss poor game coach. I don't like this hire for Miami. They are too romantic with these type of legacy hires.
the last one being who?
Richt.
Richt got them to their first ACCCG, their only bowl win in the last decade, and had them in the top 10 all 3 years he was there.
He was just burned out - probably in part due to the health issues he had soon after his unexpected retirement.
He also barely qualifies as a "romanticized legacy". He was a backup QB who barely played and was far more known for his decades+ at FSU + UGA. His playing career was a complete afterthought that most Miami fans didn't even know about before he got hired.
Where did I mention how Richt did? But he was hired because he was a legacy. Same with Randy Shannon, who was a disaster.
So what if he was a legacy? He was a very successful hire. How is it getting too "romantic" by hiring an alum did a good job? Your argument makes no sense...
I have a feeling many feel the same today with Smart.
he had a career .740 winning% in the SEC and 9-5 record in bowl games over 15 years
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because he was a backup QB for Miami in the 80's.
tough call.
and Shannon didn't get hired because he was an alumni, he got promoted after winning a national championship as D Coordinator and because he was cheap at a time Miami didn't have a lot of money.
Butch Davis was a legacy too, or was that also a mistake?
Let me restate my position. Being a legacy is a big deal with Miami and finding a candidate that fills that is an important variable.
If you think Cristobal is the right hire, fair enough. He can absolutely recruit, which checks a big box. But he's a below average game coach and that will manifest itself early and often.
Can mario go beyond that who knows? but there's not a coach im aware of available and willing to go to miami right now who has a better winning% than Mario's .729 in the P5. Kelly (.739) already went to LSU and Riley (.846) already went to USC - and i doubt miami could have convinced either of them to choose miami any way. Is dabo (.805) or kirby (.810) going to miami? Harbough (.726)? Or should they have stuck with Diaz (.583)?
Miami is in the best recruiting territory if they can defend it - that's why they've had 3 different coaches win championships in the last 3 decades. Everyone knows that's Mario's strength and the first thing he needs to fix.
the expectation is he will recruit like crazy and the hope is going to be they can spend enough on a staff around him for the game day stuff. They are already interviewing joe brady so it seems like they are finally willing to spend what it takes to turn things around.
Which is what the old guard of BoT trustees wanted out of the AD, to not make the papers, to not create conversy and to basically cash the ACC welfare checks.
That's over now.
Shannon was cheap/easy.
Golden was cheap and easy in the sense that he was a good salesman but a terrible fit (and a bad coach).
Bringing Diaz back when Richt left was a failure of imagination.
with Richt they paid up and they got a much better return which is why it's a ridiculous assertion to nitpick that hire of all the others.
now they are really paying up and the return could be great or could be crap. but the universe of proven p5 head coaches worth 8m per year isn't very large so at least they are trying.
And on the other side you had the Mas bros (MLS owners) John Ruiz, a Florida lawyer who is poised to become a Billionaire with a capital "B" and former players like Alonzo Highsmith and Jon Vilma.
If you look up certain Miami fansites and writers like David Lake, for example. you can find the pieces of the puzzle.
This was the Old Miami, making a push to return via new Money versus the New Miami which just wants to collect checks.
And on the other side you had the Mas bros (MLS owners) John Ruiz, a Florida lawyer who is poised to become a Billionaire with a capital "B" and former players like Alonzo Highsmith and Jon Vilma.
If you look up certain Miami fansites and writers like David Lake, for example. you can find the pieces of the puzzle.
This was the Old Miami, making a push to return via new Money versus the New Miami which just wants to collect checks.
yup. it remains to be seen if either side can get enough right to actually win on the field.
but ill take the progress of anyone writing checks to at least try. 20 years of the alternative was the definition of insanity - with the exception of Richt's brief stopover, which didn't work but was the best attempt and came close. they had a shot in 2017 if Kaaya doesn't stupidly leave early and Richards doesn't get hurt.
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Piss poor game coach. I don't like this hire for Miami. They are too romantic with these type of legacy hires.
the last one being who?
Richt.
Randy Shannon failed big too.
Which is what the old guard of BoT trustees wanted out of the AD, to not make the papers, to not create conversy and to basically cash the ACC welfare checks.
That's over now.
Wrong about what? I said Miami wanted a Miami guy. And they got one in Cristobal, who did some decent work at Oregon but definitely wanted this job to help restore the U brand.
Now, I think there were better choices (Kiffin, for example), but we're going to see if Cristobal can keep the wealth of talent in south Florida home. And if he can actually coach it to more Ws.
He will likely do a great job. Whether he can then coach it to the point where he restores Miami back to greatness is going to be quite the test.
Look, college football needs Miami to be better. They are a great college brand with great history from the mid-80s to the mid-00s. From '83 to '96, they were incredible.
I think the '01 Canes are the best college football team I've ever seen.
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He will likely do a great job.
Lane apparently lobbied but they were worried about his extracurriculars. He'd have been easier to get than Cristobal but he's also been under .700 at each of his stops and has a habit of leaving on bad terms. For better or worse Mario is probably the best Miami can do regardless of alumni status. He's probably got the 2nd highest odds behind saban to pull the best recruiting classes over the next 3-5 years.
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Note where I say, "...whether he can then COACH it..."
Nice try, btw.
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I think Mario will do a good job in terms of recruiting.
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He will likely do a great job. Whether he can then coach it to the point where he restores Miami back to greatness is going to be quite the test.
Note where I say, "...whether he can then COACH it..."
"...to the point where he restores Miami back to greatness"
I think the majority of my confusion from your post was how much of it I agreed with, the statement you note included. "restoring miami back to greatness" is not exactly a low bar, they won 5 NCs in less than 20 years and it should have been 6 or 7. The 2000/2001 rosters in particular are obviously historical. I too think getting back to that level would be quite the test for literally any coach in the CFB universe because Nick Saban is basically the only other person who has done it since.
Nobody is going to confuse Cristobal with Saban on gameday but as you seem to agree with, they might on the recruiting trail. Dabo and Coach O have shown what can happen with elite recruiting and strong coordinators.
However he has some off the field issues:
-reportedly hates recruiting personally even though he's very good at it.
-May or may not have had a go at Saban's daughter while at Bama.
-Lack of commitment long term, ie, always eyeing the next job (NFL in this case).
the people that brought Mario into power were never going to bat for anyone but Mario is the biggest Obstacle Kiffin faced. And unfortunately, given the size and scope of the investments being made, I can see the above as reasons to not pursue.
Mario will need to hire excellent coordinators to make up for his gameday coaching. Fortunately, he's already proven he has an eye for future head coaches as many of his former assistants are in charge at other programs around the country including in the ACC.