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QB Phil Jurkovec to stay in school

jvm52106 : 12/6/2021 1:57 pm
which isn't a huge surprise BUt, the first line of linked article is: The 2022 NFL draft is expected to have the weakest quarterback class in years, and another potential prospect has decided not to enter.


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I'd rather  
allstarjim : 12/6/2021 2:05 pm : link
The Giants use their premium picks on OL and potentially a pass rusher. If you donthis right, you can get a real team together for your next QB to slide in and hopefully have early success, a la Herbert.

Using a pick on a QB at the expense of not fixing the line this offseason to me seems foolish. The last thing you need is to get a new QB and get them killed. Prefer a bridge QB to 2023, even if that bridge is Daniel Jones.
Jurkovec  
Mike in NY : 12/6/2021 2:06 pm : link
He was someone I thought could have made tremendous strides this year, but he got hurt. 2023 has 2 QB's who would be QB1 by a decent amount if they were in 2022 Draft (Young and Stroud), but there is no clear cut QB3 and he has the potential to solidify that position. 2022 Draft he could have been anywhere from QB1 to QB7 depending on workouts and how teams view the prospects.
He is an extremely intriguing prospect...  
lax counsel : 12/6/2021 2:12 pm : link
With a lot of potential to rise up draft boards very quickly. Great arm, very athletic, and really has a feel for the pocket. I see him in the mold of Allen/Herbert from prior year (not saying he's in that class yet), but worth monitoring.
the thing about that line of thinking  
Platos : 12/6/2021 2:12 pm : link
for me, is the 2018 was supposed to be super strong at QB and 3 of the top 4 picked suck.

lamar, the second best of the group fell to the end of the first.

so what does anyone know in the end?
RE: the thing about that line of thinking  
wpetinaudjr : 12/6/2021 2:18 pm : link
In comment 15484057 Platos said:
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for me, is the 2018 was supposed to be super strong at QB and 3 of the top 4 picked suck.

lamar, the second best of the group fell to the end of the first.

so what does anyone know in the end?


I think it tells us that a rookie's success is relative to the stability and capabilities of good leadership and on the field coaching. You could have a multi-million dollar vessel, but if you don't have a capable captain it would end up at the bottom of the ocean. I worry for Trevor Lawrence.

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That is a good point about Lamar  
jvm52106 : 12/6/2021 2:29 pm : link
but, I think the real point is not where players are slotted or ranked but what situation to they end up with. Contrary to Go terps opinion I think Jackson would have flamed out here with the Giants. Our Oline was (still is bad) and we have very little consistent structure to build an offense around LJ's skills.

Mahomes lucked out by ending up with the Chiefs and sat for 15 weeks before playing and showing the world what he can do. Rodgers ended up with the Packers and sitting behind Favre but what if he had gone to SF? Chances are he struggles and doesn't become the Rodgers we know today.

Good teams can bring guys in and help them achieve their potential, Bad teams need the player to bring them up and most can't do it!
I'd be curious  
santacruzom : 12/6/2021 3:03 pm : link
to see a comparison of the average amount of viable starting QBs who emerge from a draft with a purported "weak" QB class vs drafts with a strong one. I wouldn't be surprised if the disparity is small.
winston/mariota  
Platos : 12/6/2021 3:14 pm : link
goff/wentz

two years where guys went 1 and 2 and both kinda suck outside of wentz showing flashes and goff going to 1 superbowl and getting destroyed.

the league does this all the time. no matter what the draft class looks like, QBs get hyped and pushed to the front.

if its really that bad of a class lets hope someone offers us a boat load of picks to trade up.
Jurkovec’s not ready  
jeff57 : 12/6/2021 3:15 pm : link
Don’t know if he’d be a day two pick this year. But he could set himself up to be a first rounder next year, even if he’s behind Young, Stroud and one or two others.
RE: I'd be curious  
Mike in NY : 12/6/2021 3:19 pm : link
In comment 15484122 santacruzom said:
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to see a comparison of the average amount of viable starting QBs who emerge from a draft with a purported "weak" QB class vs drafts with a strong one. I wouldn't be surprised if the disparity is small.


I wouldn't be surprised either. If a QB crop is perceived as "weak," QB's are less likely to be overdrafted and instead fall to teams that can let them develop properly, with more weapons, and at a draft position more commensurate with their draft position. When QB crops are hyped up for an extended period it leads to some being overdrafted on teams that are not set up for a rookie QB to play. Enough talk about how great a QB crop is might lead a team to avoid picking up a stopgap in Free Agency to bridge the team until a QB who deserves to be picked at their spot in a future draft is there at that spot. The only rookie looking good this year is Mac Jones, but that is because he fell to a team that did have some talent around him (including coaching) and he was drafted where he should have been. A QB drafted at 15 has less pressure than one drafted in Top 5.
Brennan Armstrong of UVA looks like he has NFL promise.  
BigBlueNH : 12/6/2021 3:48 pm : link
I saw a ranking that had him as the 9th ranked QB this year. But he put up monster numbers on a team with no running game outside of him, and an historically bad defense. In the last 10 years, the only college QB who had more total yards/game than Armstrong this year is Pat Mahomes.

A lefty, very good mobility, but only 6'2". I would take him with 1 of our 3rds.

My last post should say  
Mike in NY : 12/6/2021 4:00 pm : link
more commensurate with their ability
RE: Brennan Armstrong of UVA looks like he has NFL promise.  
dpinzow : 12/6/2021 5:07 pm : link
In comment 15484222 BigBlueNH said:
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I saw a ranking that had him as the 9th ranked QB this year. But he put up monster numbers on a team with no running game outside of him, and an historically bad defense. In the last 10 years, the only college QB who had more total yards/game than Armstrong this year is Pat Mahomes.

A lefty, very good mobility, but only 6'2". I would take him with 1 of our 3rds.


A strategy like that is something I'd pursue. Save the premium picks for the lines and see if you can cash in a lottery ticket at QB

Joe Montana, Tom Brady and Russell Wilson were all QBs picked outside the first round
I'm really curious about likely late rounders  
santacruzom : 12/6/2021 10:00 pm : link
Haener from Fresno State (one tough SOB) and particularly Eric Barriere from EWU.
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