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nygiants16 : 12/6/2021 4:45 pm
Ian Begley
@IanBegley
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Tom Thibodeau says club may make some lineup changes for San Antonio game. Said he still wants to mull things over.

Quick or Rose into the starting lineup?

Thibs go crazy and start Obi with Randle?
The turnaround  
Mike from SI : 12/6/2021 5:09 pm : link
absolutely needs to start tonight.
RE: The turnaround  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2021 5:11 pm : link
In comment 15484367 Mike from SI said:
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absolutely needs to start tonight.


Tomorrow
RE: RE: The turnaround  
Mike from SI : 12/6/2021 5:26 pm : link
In comment 15484371 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15484367 Mike from SI said:


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absolutely needs to start tonight.



Tomorrow


Wow I misread the schedule. Thanks for pointing it out!
Either Way, Toppin SHould Be Getting More Minutes  
LTIsTheGreatest : 12/6/2021 5:32 pm : link
He just brings a certain energy to the team when he;s out there, the way he attacks the basket and moves up and down the court. No reason why he and Randle cant be on the court at the same time. Go with the smaller lineup more often
Funny thing is an Obi/Randle lineup  
bceagle05 : 12/6/2021 6:27 pm : link
hardly qualifies as a small ball lineup by today’s NBA standards - it’s only small ball by Thibs’ standards. I bet every other coach in the league would look at the bigs on this roster and start Obi/Randle without hesitation.
If the Knicks don't get a lot better pretty soon...  
manh george : 12/6/2021 6:29 pm : link
then the youth movement will need to accelerate.

1) More Toppin, less Randle;
2) More Quickley;
3) More "small ball" with Randle AND Toppin;
4) At least a little more time for Grimes;
5) Bringing up Samanic and McBride, who both playing top-5 in the entire G-League. Samanic is averaging 28.1 and has had 5 games in a row of 25 or better. (Bye bye Knox). McBride can do EVERYTHING, from defend to pass to penetrate to shoot the 3 to rebound.

And without Grimes playing some 2, they are missing a key 3-and-d player.
RE: Funny thing is an Obi/Randle lineup  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2021 6:29 pm : link
In comment 15484494 bceagle05 said:
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hardly qualifies as a small ball lineup by today’s NBA standards - it’s only small ball by Thibs’ standards. I bet every other coach in the league would look at the bigs on this roster and start Obi/Randle without hesitation.


Yup and imagine the open space Randle and Obi would have on rolls or Rj driving to the basket..
I heard somewhere that they may bench Barrett  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 12/6/2021 6:51 pm : link
I think it was just speculation though...
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/6/2021 6:58 pm : link
Obi needs more minutes.
Benching Barret...  
manh george : 12/6/2021 9:42 pm : link
won't EVER happen unless he stays awful for weeks. Quite simply, the Knicks cannot be a near-challenger unless he is effective both as a shooter/scorer and on defense. The evidence from last year that he can do that is too strong to pull the experiment any time in the near future.

I could see his minutes down a bit this way, though:
--Fewer mpg, particularly in games where his shooting stays bad;
--Fournier sliding from the 2 to the 3 for part of his pt;
--Grimes getting time at the 2.
RE: If the Knicks don't get a lot better pretty soon...  
Del Shofner : 12/6/2021 9:58 pm : link
In comment 15484499 manh george said:
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then the youth movement will need to accelerate.

1) More Toppin, less Randle;
2) More Quickley;
3) More "small ball" with Randle AND Toppin;
4) At least a little more time for Grimes;
5) Bringing up Samanic and McBride, who both playing top-5 in the entire G-League. Samanic is averaging 28.1 and has had 5 games in a row of 25 or better. (Bye bye Knox). McBride can do EVERYTHING, from defend to pass to penetrate to shoot the 3 to rebound.

And without Grimes playing some 2, they are missing a key 3-and-d player.


hi MG - hope all is well. Agree with your thoughts!
RE: Benching Barret...  
Mike from SI : 12/6/2021 10:11 pm : link
In comment 15484745 manh george said:
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won't EVER happen unless he stays awful for weeks. Quite simply, the Knicks cannot be a near-challenger unless he is effective both as a shooter/scorer and on defense. The evidence from last year that he can do that is too strong to pull the experiment any time in the near future.

I could see his minutes down a bit this way, though:
--Fewer mpg, particularly in games where his shooting stays bad;
--Fournier sliding from the 2 to the 3 for part of his pt;
--Grimes getting time at the 2.


RJ's development is the most determinative factor in this franchize's ceiling. We need him to become an All Star. He doesn't need to become a top 5 player in the league (and he won't), but he needs to turn into an All Star.
RE: RE: Benching Barret...  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2021 10:24 pm : link
In comment 15484761 Mike from SI said:
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In comment 15484745 manh george said:


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won't EVER happen unless he stays awful for weeks. Quite simply, the Knicks cannot be a near-challenger unless he is effective both as a shooter/scorer and on defense. The evidence from last year that he can do that is too strong to pull the experiment any time in the near future.

I could see his minutes down a bit this way, though:
--Fewer mpg, particularly in games where his shooting stays bad;
--Fournier sliding from the 2 to the 3 for part of his pt;
--Grimes getting time at the 2.



RJ's development is the most determinative factor in this franchize's ceiling. We need him to become an All Star. He doesn't need to become a top 5 player in the league (and he won't), but he needs to turn into an All Star.


Im actually starting to think Quickley will be the all star, i think he has a higher ceiling than Rj..

If Quick finds that balance between scoring and dishing, he can be a damn good player
RE: RE: RE: Benching Barret...  
Mike from SI : 12/6/2021 11:28 pm : link
In comment 15484775 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15484761 Mike from SI said:


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In comment 15484745 manh george said:


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won't EVER happen unless he stays awful for weeks. Quite simply, the Knicks cannot be a near-challenger unless he is effective both as a shooter/scorer and on defense. The evidence from last year that he can do that is too strong to pull the experiment any time in the near future.

I could see his minutes down a bit this way, though:
--Fewer mpg, particularly in games where his shooting stays bad;
--Fournier sliding from the 2 to the 3 for part of his pt;
--Grimes getting time at the 2.



RJ's development is the most determinative factor in this franchize's ceiling. We need him to become an All Star. He doesn't need to become a top 5 player in the league (and he won't), but he needs to turn into an All Star.



Im actually starting to think Quickley will be the all star, i think he has a higher ceiling than Rj..

If Quick finds that balance between scoring and dishing, he can be a damn good player


I agree he can become a damn good player on a competitor, and I absolutely love his attitude and determination. I'm slightly less sanguine on his potential than you, but I hope you're right and I'm wrong.
Hi Del  
manh george : 12/7/2021 12:12 am : link
I assume that you are still mostly out of NYC?

If so, zoom?

If not, steak?

Lots has happened. Let's chat.
RE: Hi Del  
Del Shofner : 12/7/2021 12:16 am : link
In comment 15484871 manh george said:
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I assume that you are still mostly out of NYC?

If so, zoom?

If not, steak?

Lots has happened. Let's chat.


Yup, living pretty much full time in northern Dutchess County now. Although we still have our house in Brooklyn which we're trying to figure out how to sell. But for a good steak and perhaps a Knicks game I'd come back to the city!
Well, we should keep in close touch, then.  
manh george : 12/7/2021 1:06 am : link
Hoping for a steak less tough than Thibideau's challenge.

I am worried that Randall's 2020 may have been a one-time event, in which case the entire strategy for moving up in the future changes.
Listening to the The Bank Shot pod...  
Jan in DC : 12/7/2021 1:41 am : link
with Schmeelk and Katz, the new Athletic writer, they said that the reason that everyone loves Obi, even if they don't know it is because he moves all the time. When he has the ball he's moving, when he doesn't he's screening, running off ball etc.

I think that resonated with me because the young guys do play with more energy, but more than anything it's because there's motion in the offense outside of ball movement. First team moves the ball, but no one is setting up plays away from ball rotation.
Would absolutely love it  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 10:21 am : link
if Thibs started Quick and Toppin tonight, i dont think he will, but the starters need to add some speed and athelticism to the starting lineup..

The bench would still have Rose, Fournier, Grimes and Mitch
Berman making it sound like Noel is starting in place of Mitch  
adamg : 12/7/2021 12:20 pm : link
if I'm not being misled by Twitter.
Suffice to say, that would be a let down  
adamg : 12/7/2021 12:21 pm : link
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RE: Berman making it sound like Noel is starting in place of Mitch  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 12:25 pm : link
In comment 15485353 adamg said:
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if I'm not being misled by Twitter.


so fricken stupid, what is the difference between and Noel and Mitch? how does that help anything?

How does that help to add speed to the starters? Noel is on the ground after every possession, he cant even jump right now..

This is moronic, the constant need to have a shot blocker is killing them, Mitch and Noel are doing nothing and offensively they just clog the lane..
RE: Listening to the The Bank Shot pod...  
Enzo : 12/7/2021 12:28 pm : link
In comment 15484884 Jan in DC said:
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with Schmeelk and Katz, the new Athletic writer, they said that the reason that everyone loves Obi, even if they don't know it is because he moves all the time. When he has the ball he's moving, when he doesn't he's screening, running off ball etc.

I think that resonated with me because the young guys do play with more energy, but more than anything it's because there's motion in the offense outside of ball movement. First team moves the ball, but no one is setting up plays away from ball rotation.

you combine his work rate with his length, athleticism, and ability to finish at the rim - and he puts a LOT of stress on opposing defenses.
RE: Listening to the The Bank Shot pod...  
JohninSC : 12/7/2021 12:31 pm : link
In comment 15484884 Jan in DC said:
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with Schmeelk and Katz, the new Athletic writer, they said that the reason that everyone loves Obi, even if they don't know it is because he moves all the time. When he has the ball he's moving, when he doesn't he's screening, running off ball etc.

I think that resonated with me because the young guys do play with more energy, but more than anything it's because there's motion in the offense outside of ball movement. First team moves the ball, but no one is setting up plays away from ball rotation.


I've taken notice to that too. Obi is consistently moving. This team since Melo took over has conditioned me to expect 1 guy dribbling the ball in an ISO situation and 4 other guys standing around.

Confirmation from another beat, YAWN  
adamg : 12/7/2021 12:31 pm : link

Steve Popper
@StevePopper
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Thibs said he’s still mulling changes - Noel was wearing starters colors at shoot and Mitch sounds like he’s ready for bench role.
RE: RE: Listening to the The Bank Shot pod...  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 12:37 pm : link
In comment 15485370 JohninSC said:
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In comment 15484884 Jan in DC said:


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with Schmeelk and Katz, the new Athletic writer, they said that the reason that everyone loves Obi, even if they don't know it is because he moves all the time. When he has the ball he's moving, when he doesn't he's screening, running off ball etc.

I think that resonated with me because the young guys do play with more energy, but more than anything it's because there's motion in the offense outside of ball movement. First team moves the ball, but no one is setting up plays away from ball rotation.



I've taken notice to that too. Obi is consistently moving. This team since Melo took over has conditioned me to expect 1 guy dribbling the ball in an ISO situation and 4 other guys standing around.


The problem isnt always with 1 guy just dribbiling in iso, the other 4 guys have to move, if they just stand around there is nowhere for the guy to do..

Why teams iso is to attract double teams and hit the cutter or open man, if no one moves the offense looks more and more stagnant..

Randle is playing like crap dont get me wrong, but no one moves in the starting lineup and then you got a big who does nothing offensively and it becomes stagnant
However.. I loved this from Kemba  
JohninSC : 12/7/2021 12:38 pm : link
Kemba on him being out of the rotation.

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"I could be pissed, but at the end of the day there are some young guys here who look up to me. Maybe I can be a role model. I love being around my teammates and I'm going to cheer them on until I can't anymore."


Its starting  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 12:53 pm : link
Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
Sources: The Indiana Pacers are moving toward rebuild, receptive to trade talks centered on Caris LeVert and either Domantas Sabonis or Myles Turner.
Turner definitely looks good on paper.  
bceagle05 : 12/7/2021 1:09 pm : link
12.6pts/7.5rbs/3blks this season - 52% from the field, 39.5% from three. Gives Thibs his precious rim protector at the five, but can actually be a threat on offense.
Anyone read the Woj article on Dame?  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 1:41 pm : link
it felt like Dame wants his extension and to be traded..

It was weird, but then there is a paragraph where he wants all the vets traded...
Turner  
31southst : 12/7/2021 1:59 pm : link
Turner is interesting but curious what his market would be. Would Indiana do something like Noel, Knox, and the CHA first we have? I really don't have a sense of his market. I do know that I think he would be incrementally helpful but I would not really trade much beyond one mid tier asset for him.
RE: Turner  
JohninSC : 12/7/2021 2:51 pm : link
In comment 15485498 31southst said:
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Turner is interesting but curious what his market would be. Would Indiana do something like Noel, Knox, and the CHA first we have? I really don't have a sense of his market. I do know that I think he would be incrementally helpful but I would not really trade much beyond one mid tier asset for him.


I'd say Mitch and some picks would be a starting point.
I'd be agressive on all  
Enzo : 12/7/2021 2:56 pm : link
of the vets the Pacers are looking to unload. You'd have to sign them all after next season, but they're all in their prime. Due to a bunch of factors, I don't think the universe of teams that would be pursuing them will be that large.
RE: Anyone read the Woj article on Dame?  
JohninSC : 12/7/2021 3:06 pm : link
In comment 15485466 nygiants16 said:
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it felt like Dame wants his extension and to be traded..

It was weird, but then there is a paragraph where he wants all the vets traded...


Dame quickly falls into the category of "no thanks".
Turner  
five5 : 12/7/2021 3:09 pm : link
might be the most overated player in the league. He will have a huge game and then disappear for about 5 games. Guy should be a double-double every game. Not the case
I was against a Dame trade before the season  
larryflower37 : 12/7/2021 3:24 pm : link
But it might be the frustration talking sign me up.
Let's go all in on him, RJ, Toppin, Quickley, and Kemba plus the 1st we have been saving for this day.
RE: Turner  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 3:29 pm : link
In comment 15485594 five5 said:
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might be the most overated player in the league. He will have a huge game and then disappear for about 5 games. Guy should be a double-double every game. Not the case


Turner is not going to carry your team offensively but he can anchor a defense and not be a complete zero on offense, you have to account for him offensively..

He would be a huge upgrad eover Noel and Mitch
RE: I was against a Dame trade before the season  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 3:30 pm : link
In comment 15485615 larryflower37 said:
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But it might be the frustration talking sign me up.
Let's go all in on him, RJ, Toppin, Quickley, and Kemba plus the 1st we have been saving for this day.


I love Dame but im leaning toward waiting, i think Fox will become available sooner rather than later
Starts  
31southst : 12/7/2021 3:36 pm : link
Really hard to find a good fit. Is Dame too old? That extension sounds like it will age terribly. I like Fox but his shooting regression really scares me - can he even be a league average 3 point shooter? He has never been a particularly good FT shooter either so I would lean towards no.
Golden State should pounce on Myles Turner.  
bceagle05 : 12/7/2021 3:46 pm : link
Perfect fit there.
All i know  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 3:59 pm : link
is Knicks need to find a stretch 5 if they arent going to play Toppin and Randle together..

and they need to find a point who can run the offense so the ball doesnt have to constantly run through randle
RE: Golden State should pounce on Myles Turner.  
Enzo : 12/7/2021 4:08 pm : link
In comment 15485646 bceagle05 said:
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Perfect fit there.

warriors are in a weird spot where they only have either huge contracts or small contracts. Unless they were inclined to move Wiseman.
Dame wants to be traded  
GNewGiants : 12/7/2021 4:10 pm : link
And a 53 million extension per year?

Whoever trades for him should have their heads examined.
RE: All i know  
Mike from SI : 12/7/2021 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15485674 nygiants16 said:
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is Knicks need to find a stretch 5 if they arent going to play Toppin and Randle together..

and they need to find a point who can run the offense so the ball doesnt have to constantly run through randle


These were the same problems we all identified in the offseason.
RE: Dame wants to be traded  
larryflower37 : 12/7/2021 4:54 pm : link
In comment 15485695 GNewGiants said:
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And a 53 million extension per year?

Whoever trades for him should have their heads examined.

I need my head examined then... He is 31 years old with zero injury history. Plus he is an all-out competitor and a hard worker.
He takes the Knicks to another level and NY would love him.
I'd trade for SGA  
adamg : 12/7/2021 5:00 pm : link
He's the prize of those who have been intimated at. RJ++++++ I'd do.

I'm with Larry though. I've been RJ's biggest defender, but he shit the bed this year. It might be time to move on. If I'm trading RJ I want SGA though. Don't care what else it takes really.
I'd be fine with an RJ for Dame trade too  
adamg : 12/7/2021 5:02 pm : link
But I prefer SGA as the target. Rather build younger. Ideally, keeping IQ and Obi. That might not be possible though.
SgA or Dame will start with  
Carl in CT : 12/7/2021 5:05 pm : link
Barrett, Quickley, Obi, + other players and multiple picks. Our you ready to start the rebuild again? If that’s the case go with SGA cause it will be awhile before we are good.
With Dame for me  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 5:11 pm : link
it depends on whats left and how the roster is filled out around him and Randle..

For example if Its Rj, Obi, Noel and cqp filler plus a bunch of 1sts for Dame..

Then Knicks flip Mitch, Knox, Kemba a couple of 2nds for Turner..

So you have Dame, Burks, Fournier, Randle, Turner..

bench: Rose, Quick, Grimes and Gibson of the bench..

RE: With Dame for me  
larryflower37 : 12/7/2021 5:19 pm : link
In comment 15485797 nygiants16 said:
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it depends on whats left and how the roster is filled out around him and Randle..

For example if Its Rj, Obi, Noel and cqp filler plus a bunch of 1sts for Dame..

Then Knicks flip Mitch, Knox, Kemba a couple of 2nds for Turner..

So you have Dame, Burks, Fournier, Randle, Turner..

bench: Rose, Quick, Grimes and Gibson of the bench..


At this point, more than a quarter through the season this team looks like a .500 team.
If Dame or SGA is attainable you go all in. I mean this is why we have all the young talent and picks right? No one is untouchable and we have plenty left in most cases to have a strong team.
SGA is one of my favorite players in the league  
bceagle05 : 12/7/2021 5:22 pm : link
but it’s hard to justify all three of RJ/IQ/Obi plus picks - he’s a star but not a superstar. Might as well let Walt Perrin try to find a guy like him in the middle of the first round.
RE: SGA is one of my favorite players in the league  
adamg : 12/7/2021 5:43 pm : link
In comment 15485807 bceagle05 said:
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but it’s hard to justify all three of RJ/IQ/Obi plus picks - he’s a star but not a superstar. Might as well let Walt Perrin try to find a guy like him in the middle of the first round.


I agree. I don't know that I could do all three of the kids in a deal. Add in the picks and it becomes even harder to justify.
I dont want to trade IQ  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 5:50 pm : link
Rj i am fine with, Toppin would hurt but depending on the player i think id be ok..

IQ would hurt and i dont want to give him up, i cant think of a player i would be ok trading IQ for
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/7/2021 7:15 pm : link
I know we won't get him, but I love Sabonis' game.
RE: Anyone read the Woj article on Dame?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/7/2021 7:17 pm : link
In comment 15485466 nygiants16 said:
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it felt like Dame wants his extension and to be traded..

It was weird, but then there is a paragraph where he wants all the vets traded...


I thought it was weird too. And then I read an article on The Athletic hinting that CJ-per his own words-wanted out of Portland. I don't know what's going on up in the Pacific Northwest. The Blazers are a mess right now.
Would also look into Sabonis  
ghost718 : 12/7/2021 7:32 pm : link
But it would probably take a major shift in thinking for the Knicks to do anything.
RE: RE: Anyone read the Woj article on Dame?  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 7:45 pm : link
In comment 15485925 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 15485466 nygiants16 said:


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it felt like Dame wants his extension and to be traded..

It was weird, but then there is a paragraph where he wants all the vets traded...



I thought it was weird too. And then I read an article on The Athletic hinting that CJ-per his own words-wanted out of Portland. I don't know what's going on up in the Pacific Northwest. The Blazers are a mess right now.


People are speculating Olshey was the source
nygiants16.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/7/2021 7:51 pm : link
I wouldn't doubt that. Olshey & CJ were apparently very close.
Noel is starting  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 8:05 pm : link
not the change i would of made, but have to trust Thibs, part of me thibks he is trying tk find last years magic with Noel starting
Noel starting?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/7/2021 8:07 pm : link
Is Thibs trying to kill me? Haha.
RE: Noel starting?  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 8:11 pm : link
In comment 15485978 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Is Thibs trying to kill me? Haha.


someone posted the ratings and apparently the team is better with Noel on the court..i dont know.
It always looks to me like they play better defense with Noel  
steve in ky : 12/7/2021 8:31 pm : link
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Spurs are small  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 8:34 pm : link
they want to run, they are going to hustle, Knicms have to beat them inside..

Spurs want to drive to the hoop, extremely small off the bench..

This is a game i want to see Randle dominate in the paint
Noel in to play defense  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 8:42 pm : link
beaten twice already
Lol Noel completely blocks off Randles drive  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 8:48 pm : link
Standing on Randles side in the paint, So glad he is starting
I would rather see  
Mike in NY : 12/7/2021 8:49 pm : link
Toppin starting at C
What is Thibs mic'd or something?  
Stu11 : 12/7/2021 8:51 pm : link
You can hear every curse word lol
Team is so fucking stupid  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 8:54 pm : link
Yes lets keep driving right into Poetl, its working so well, 3 straight possessions, 3 straight misses at the rim..
You see the good and bad in 1 quarter for Rj  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 9:00 pm : link
Good drives to the hoop, nice open jumpers, then the forcing starts and turnovers..
Fuck off McDermott.  
bceagle05 : 12/7/2021 9:08 pm : link
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How did Poetl jist get that continuation?  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 9:12 pm : link
..
scrub of the night goes to  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 9:18 pm : link
Doug Mcdermott
RE: scrub of the night goes to  
Leg of Theismann : 12/7/2021 9:20 pm : link
In comment 15486056 nygiants16 said:
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Doug Mcdermott


why the hell do these guys just suddenly become physically incapable of missing when they play us? What is happening? is it our D or just bad luck?
that's crazy  
Leg of Theismann : 12/7/2021 9:21 pm : link
that when Clyde was playing and winning titles the Knicks were renting places to practice? Like does that mean they were like renting the YMCA out for a few hours at a time to practice or something? lol
We need to take the Knicks logo off center court at MSG  
bceagle05 : 12/7/2021 9:22 pm : link
so the Knicks think it’s a road game.
the way I see Rose knock down 3s all the time  
Leg of Theismann : 12/7/2021 9:23 pm : link
feels like he's a freakin 70% 3 point shooter this year. I know he's not but seriously when I see him pull up from behind the arc I just expect it to go in at this point.
RE: RE: scrub of the night goes to  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 9:24 pm : link
In comment 15486057 Leg of Theismann said:
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In comment 15486056 nygiants16 said:


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Doug Mcdermott



why the hell do these guys just suddenly become physically incapable of missing when they play us? What is happening? is it our D or just bad luck?


It has always happened, as long as i can remember, i remember on realgm they used to do predictions on scrub of the night for the other team
RJ looking pretty good  
adamg : 12/7/2021 9:25 pm : link
Pray he turns it on even more and keeps it going.
And then he fucks up  
adamg : 12/7/2021 9:27 pm : link
ugh
Last year Noel would kf tried to block it  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 9:28 pm : link
..
3 and D RJ  
adamg : 12/7/2021 9:31 pm : link
stick to it
Spurs are basically playing 4 guards now  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 9:36 pm : link
Can we please go Randle and Toppin...Noel has been dreadful again
RE: Spurs are basically playing 4 guards now  
adamg : 12/7/2021 9:37 pm : link
In comment 15486072 nygiants16 said:
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Can we please go Randle and Toppin...Noel has been dreadful again


He really has. Thank god for Mitch tonight.
Is Mitch trying  
xman : 12/7/2021 9:38 pm : link
after the snub?
RE: Is Mitch trying  
adamg : 12/7/2021 9:38 pm : link
In comment 15486075 xman said:
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after the snub?


He lost weight and looks like a new man. 7 offensive boards. Almost a double double already
We just seem like a better team when Randle passes  
adamg : 12/7/2021 9:40 pm : link
and defers
I guess it helps RJ and Burks are 6-8 from 3  
adamg : 12/7/2021 9:41 pm : link
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Only up 6  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 9:42 pm : link
feel like they should be up a lot more
RE: Only up 6  
adamg : 12/7/2021 9:43 pm : link
In comment 15486083 nygiants16 said:
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feel like they should be up a lot more


Randle and Fournier haven't done anything yet.
5-5 baby  
adamg : 12/7/2021 9:51 pm : link
Let's go
RJ  
TommyWiseau : 12/7/2021 9:52 pm : link
showed up today, finally
8-10 from 3 for RJ/Burks  
adamg : 12/7/2021 9:52 pm : link
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good start lets goooo  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 9:53 pm : link
keep it going
Rj you are playing a great game  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 9:57 pm : link
why force that?..

jjst like 12 point lead down to 5

stop going right at poetle please
This team can not jist out their foot on a teams throat  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 10:02 pm : link
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9 quick points from Randle  
adamg : 12/7/2021 10:06 pm : link
nice
What a dirtbag play  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 10:13 pm : link
no chance to get that ball
RE: What a dirtbag play  
Stu11 : 12/7/2021 10:15 pm : link
In comment 15486122 nygiants16 said:
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no chance to get that ball

Yeah that's really careless. In You could end a guy's season on a play like that.
Obi and IQ combined have 22 minutes.  
adamg : 12/7/2021 10:19 pm : link
Terrible
Rj is gassed  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 10:22 pm : link
he needs to sit
Don't get me wrong I'm happy with the result so far  
Stu11 : 12/7/2021 10:24 pm : link
But got we are horrific on fast breaks. I mean every other team in the league a 2 or 3 on 1 is a dunk or a lay-up. For us it's a horror show.
RE: Don't get me wrong I'm happy with the result so far  
adamg : 12/7/2021 10:25 pm : link
In comment 15486141 Stu11 said:
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But got we are horrific on fast breaks. I mean every other team in the league a 2 or 3 on 1 is a dunk or a lay-up. For us it's a horror show.


I want to say these are growing pains for RJ. But idk. He looks sloppy too often when he's forced to make a play.
Just letting the spurs hang around  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 10:31 pm : link
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RE: Don't get me wrong I'm happy with the result so far  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 10:34 pm : link
In comment 15486141 Stu11 said:
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But got we are horrific on fast breaks. I mean every other team in the league a 2 or 3 on 1 is a dunk or a lay-up. For us it's a horror show.


Knicks dont have the most athletic players on their team, a lot of them are slow and methodical, not many lobs on fast breaks
Randle the closer  
adamg : 12/7/2021 10:36 pm : link
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Randle played like a star tonight  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 10:37 pm : link
Burks and Rj had it going in the first half, so he rebounded and dished..

2nd half needed some of his scoring amd he took over, took what the d gave him..

Great pass to Rj on that play
Clutch 3  
adamg : 12/7/2021 10:38 pm : link
Great game for RJ
RE: Randle played like a star tonight  
adamg : 12/7/2021 10:38 pm : link
In comment 15486154 nygiants16 said:
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Burks and Rj had it going in the first half, so he rebounded and dished..

2nd half needed some of his scoring amd he took over, took what the d gave him..

Great pass to Rj on that play


15/7/8 and a block and a steal
Well it looks like we'll thankfully stop the bleeding  
Stu11 : 12/7/2021 10:39 pm : link
Maybe we should give up playing at MSG this year.
32 for RJ.  
bceagle05 : 12/7/2021 10:40 pm : link
Glorious.
He's unconscious from 3  
adamg : 12/7/2021 10:41 pm : link
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Great win  
adamg : 12/7/2021 10:46 pm : link
Easy win
Good RJ game.  
Mike from SI : 12/7/2021 10:47 pm : link
Obviously he's not always going to be that hot from 3, but we need more performances like this.
does anyone have any theories on Kemba?  
Leg of Theismann : 12/7/2021 11:08 pm : link
as in why he isn't at least coming off the bench for even just SOME minutes? It's weird to me that he went from starting to just zero minutes. I was all for benching him for Burks but I just don't see why you wouldn't put him out there against the other teams bench just to get some buckets.

Do you think Thibs is literally just like "nope, can't play good enough defense to deserve to be on the floor." Is it that simple?

Do you think this is punishment for anything that maybe Thibs and the team are keeping under wraps?

Is there something we don't know about his health that they don't want to showcase because they want to be able to move him in a coming trade they are planning?

I'm down for any and all conspiracy theories you guys can come up with lol

Am I overthinking this?
btw I wasn't able to watch every minute of the game tonight  
Leg of Theismann : 12/7/2021 11:15 pm : link
one question: did it look like we had good energy/intensity for all 48 minutes tonight? Any short stretches of lapse in energy like we typically have (even in wins)?

I've been curious to see how the team would respond after the 3 game losing streak because A LOT of people have specifically been calling out the Knicks for their lack of energy and lazy defense. Was hoping certain guys heard that.
RE: does anyone have any theories on Kemba?  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 11:17 pm : link
In comment 15486183 Leg of Theismann said:
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as in why he isn't at least coming off the bench for even just SOME minutes? It's weird to me that he went from starting to just zero minutes. I was all for benching him for Burks but I just don't see why you wouldn't put him out there against the other teams bench just to get some buckets.

Do you think Thibs is literally just like "nope, can't play good enough defense to deserve to be on the floor." Is it that simple?

Do you think this is punishment for anything that maybe Thibs and the team are keeping under wraps?

Is there something we don't know about his health that they don't want to showcase because they want to be able to move him in a coming trade they are planning?

I'm down for any and all conspiracy theories you guys can come up with lol

Am I overthinking this?


I just think its hard to play him, rose and quick off the bench together..

If Thibs went with Quick or Rose to start, i think Kemba would be coming off the bench
RE: btw I wasn't able to watch every minute of the game tonight  
nygiants16 : 12/7/2021 11:19 pm : link
In comment 15486185 Leg of Theismann said:
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one question: did it look like we had good energy/intensity for all 48 minutes tonight? Any short stretches of lapse in energy like we typically have (even in wins)?

I've been curious to see how the team would respond after the 3 game losing streak because A LOT of people have specifically been calling out the Knicks for their lack of energy and lazy defense. Was hoping certain guys heard that.


energy was good all game, no real lapses
Kemba  
Mike from SI : 12/7/2021 11:30 pm : link
I think it's mostly the defense.
21 whole minutes for Evan Fournier tonight.  
bceagle05 : 12/7/2021 11:54 pm : link
Expanded roles for IQ and Burks appear to me coming at Fournier’s expense.
My favorite part about Rjs game last night  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2021 7:37 am : link
was not the 3s, not the 11 for 20, it was thr passes he made when the defense collapsed, he hit shooterd for a few wide open 3s..That is the part of Rjs game that i want to see evolve..

My issue with Rj will always be when he forces, if he misses a good shot, i have no problems, its bad shots i dont like
One of the pods I listen to  
Jan in DC : 12/8/2021 8:01 am : link
mentioned that the +/- with Kemba on the floor is historically bad. Like over -100 bad. Even if it's not a great stat, that sort of thing is hard to ignore.
Glad RJ had a great game  
JohninSC : 12/8/2021 8:15 am : link
Kid was due. Hopefully he can give us some consistency and keep playing like that.
Rj said he has been sick for a couple of weeks  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2021 8:15 am : link
said he hasnt been able to get into the gym as much, wonder if that contributed to his slump? Some thought he was hurt, maybe it was just him sick
Noel out tonight, Taj starting.  
bceagle05 : 12/8/2021 6:42 pm : link
Musical chairs continues at center.
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