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JoeyBigBlue : 12/6/2021 4:53 pm
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/6/2021 7:00 pm : link
Who cares? Jones sucks. The entire team sucks. The Chargers are going to hammer us. I just need to make sure I got enough beer to last the entire 3 plus hours of Giants 'football'.
RE: RE: We know the Giants struggle evaluating QB’s..  
Section331 : 12/6/2021 7:02 pm : link
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But, it is even more depressing that they signed Glennon. Mike Lombardi referenced on the GM Shuffle today that people in the building think Glennon can play, and that is troubling. Since Eli, what QB have they evaluated and hit correctly in their evaluation?

Fact is, Eli bailed out this franchise with his durability. The Giants wouldn’t trade for Minshew, but found Glennon an adequate back up. Depressing.



Get off of it already minshew this and that. They played on the same team split reps 50/50. Minshew better d him by a tad ended up a third stringer on the eagles. Glennon is a good back up. I’d like to see more of him and golladay and playing without a concussion


Split reps? Minshew got hurt and Glennon replaced him. Glennon was so bad, he got benched for the immortal Jake Luton.

Minshew was on pace for a 4,600 yd, 32 TD, 10 INT season. Glennon was nowhere near that pace.
The giants had no interest in a back up  
Debaser : 12/6/2021 7:04 pm : link
Who thinks he should start. They want a back up like Glennon who is content to be a back up. It’s not a meritocracy. Jones is here as a tenured QB.
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MOOPS : 12/6/2021 7:05 pm : link
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I agree. He deserves better.



A zero star athlete out of high school who walked on at Duke and had the good fortune of being drafted due to having the same college coach as Eli Manning...I'd say it's worked out well for him.


Hey Terps
Wasn't Josh Allen a zero star athlete out of high school who got his start at a Junior College where an assistant coach was married to Allen's cousin? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Derp.
RE: RE: RE: Hopefully he's played his last game as a Giant  
ryanmkeane : 12/6/2021 7:21 pm : link
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I agree. He deserves better.



A zero star athlete out of high school who walked on at Duke and had the good fortune of being drafted due to having the same college coach as Eli Manning...I'd say it's worked out well for him.

Yeah cause if the Giants didn’t draft him he would have been taken….10 picks later? Jesus man, you are a complete loser. Honestly. Ragging on a guy who was a very good D1 college quarterback and 1st round draft pick after walking on. Awesome. Now let’s compare that to your miserable fucking life.
RE: Hopefully he's played his last game as a Giant  
broadbandz : 12/6/2021 7:23 pm : link
In comment 15484345 Go Terps said:
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you're disgusting. Whether Jones is bad or not, you're a terrible human being. Kid could have his career ended because of the shitty giants coaches and you're cheering it on. Almost hope the giants keep losing so fans like you get zero joy out of the team.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/6/2021 7:34 pm : link
In defense of GT, I don't think he wishes DJ ill. He just wishes DJ is not a Giant going forward. And he's not alone in that opinion.
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Section331 : 12/6/2021 7:38 pm : link
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I agree. He deserves better.



A zero star athlete out of high school who walked on at Duke and had the good fortune of being drafted due to having the same college coach as Eli Manning...I'd say it's worked out well for him.


Yeah cause if the Giants didn’t draft him he would have been taken….10 picks later? Jesus man, you are a complete loser. Honestly. Ragging on a guy who was a very good D1 college quarterback and 1st round draft pick after walking on. Awesome. Now let’s compare that to your miserable fucking life.


Kudos to Daniel for being a 3 year starter as a walk-on, that is quite an accomplishment, but he was most definitely not a “very good” college QB. Averaging 2,700 yds and 17 TD’s in today’s college game is absolutely putrid.

Now I know what the excuses will be - he had no talent around him, his OL sucked (sound familiar?) - but even accepting them doesn’t make him a “very good” QB.
I'm not ragging on the guy  
Go Terps : 12/6/2021 7:41 pm : link
I'm saying it all worked out extremely well for him. Better, certainly, than it has for the Giants.
Sorry, folks  
Bill in UT : 12/6/2021 7:50 pm : link
If the new GM has half a brain, which I know is asking a lot with Mara selecting him, next draft will be to build a foundation. We can't waste draft assets on a QB or to trade for a QB. Jones, for better or worse, gets one more year, unless they like Fromm better or can pick up a FA for a couple mill or so.
In what galaxy was he a very good D1 QB  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/6/2021 7:51 pm : link
Very good is working a herculean task. The only areas he was top 5 at in his
own conference at any point in his career was interceptions (4th, 2nd, 4th)
RE: I’m just curious  
Mook80 : 12/6/2021 7:58 pm : link
In comment 15484430 jeff57 said:
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All those who say get rid of Jones, who’s the QB going to be next year?


They suck with him, they can suck without him too just as easily.

Gimme  
spike : 12/6/2021 8:02 pm : link
Heineke
I hope Jones is  
Dave on the UWS : 12/6/2021 8:03 pm : link
smart about this injury. If it is ANYTHING other than soft tissue in the neck area, he needs to seriously re-consider things. He has to run to be fully effective, he’s not elusive and he “may” have a serious neck issue. Really BAD combination
jeff57  
fkap : 12/6/2021 8:07 pm : link
the BBI way (for a bunch of them any way) is to cry for someone, anyone. Then with the benefit of hindsight point to any QB drafted, or available in FA, in 2022 who has success and crow about how the Giants could have obtained him, but were too stupid.

They'll list all the available candidates, not committing to any of them, but will bash the Giants for the one they take, pointing to the one out of the crowd that does succeed.

Josh Allen is the poster child for such behavior. Long forgotten is how popular Darnold was prior to the draft, or Rosen.

Jones is the best player on our offense  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/6/2021 8:21 pm : link
Let that sink in.
RE: jeff57  
mikeinbloomfield : 12/6/2021 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15484616 fkap said:
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the BBI way (for a bunch of them any way) is to cry for someone, anyone. Then with the benefit of hindsight point to any QB drafted, or available in FA, in 2022 who has success and crow about how the Giants could have obtained him, but were too stupid.

They'll list all the available candidates, not committing to any of them, but will bash the Giants for the one they take, pointing to the one out of the crowd that does succeed.

Josh Allen is the poster child for such behavior. Long forgotten is how popular Darnold was prior to the draft, or Rosen.


Your point if I understand it is undermined by the fact that the Giants started Glennon last Sunday and will start Fromm this week. Not that our starter was super awesome to begin with. Also, who did they end up taking in the Darnold/Rosen draft? How’s that working out? What was said by “some of these guys” then?
By getting drafted  
Jerry in_DC : 12/6/2021 8:41 pm : link
by the Giants at #6, Jones made $28 million and got 3 years of NFL starts handed to him with no competition. If he had been drafted in the 2nd round, he'd have made about $7 million and likely would have been yanked by now (see Drew Lock)

The Giants are the greatest thing that ever could have happened to Daniel Jones. Despite not being a good college QB and not being a good NFL QB, he is set for life and had a huge opportunity to show what he could do.

Most guys with his talent level only get a few games before their team starts looking for other options.
 
christian : 12/6/2021 8:50 pm : link
I’ve always liked Jones’s floor if the Giants had a lock solid program — management, coaching, team architecture.

But with head and neck injuries and very little production to speak of — he’s running out of chances.

He’s just not shown the type of ceiling it’s wise to bet on.

As Terps has always maintained — good guy, good teammate, gives it his all — but every day he morphs a little more into Dave Brown.
Why do we feel obligated  
Jerry in_DC : 12/6/2021 8:54 pm : link
to do the whole Good Guy disclaimer for Jones? Nobody was ever like - Ramses Barden, awesome guy, loved rooting for him...wish he could've gotten a few more chances
Jones should be the QB next year  
Tuckrule : 12/6/2021 8:57 pm : link
To say anything otherwise is just being stubborn. Finish the rookie contract while building the offensive line. It’s quite simple. If by some chance jones excels next season you can franchise him and go the Dak route. Make him prove it 2 years in a row. It’s a very very very easy simple plan. The giants will go that route or pick up the fifth year option at 21mm which might make more sense. Give him 2 years to prove it guaranteed while building the roster so if jones fails you can then draft a qb while having a team around that rookie.
RE: Why do we feel obligated  
christian : 12/6/2021 8:58 pm : link
In comment 15484695 Jerry in_DC said:
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to do the whole Good Guy disclaimer for Jones? Nobody was ever like - Ramses Barden, awesome guy, loved rooting for him...wish he could've gotten a few more chances


I think if he was Dwayne Haskins and he was a lazy butthole — there’d be other reasons to move on.

With Jones the only reason is lack of production.

For the record I loved Ramses and that one game against Carolina will stay with me forever.
RE: Jones should be the QB next year  
Go Terps : 12/6/2021 9:01 pm : link
In comment 15484700 Tuckrule said:
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To say anything otherwise is just being stubborn. Finish the rookie contract while building the offensive line. It’s quite simple. If by some chance jones excels next season you can franchise him and go the Dak route. Make him prove it 2 years in a row. It’s a very very very easy simple plan. The giants will go that route or pick up the fifth year option at 21mm which might make more sense. Give him 2 years to prove it guaranteed while building the roster so if jones fails you can then draft a qb while having a team around that rookie.


Actually, this would be the stubborn approach.
RE: Who’s QB2? Dixon?  
DisgruntledNYGfan : 12/6/2021 9:05 pm : link
In comment 15484391 mikeinbloomfield said:
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You know whoever it is is going to play, playing behind this line is an injury waiting to happen. Toney is still out, right?


Yes, let’s see if we can lose three qbs in three weeks. Christ, it’s painful rooting for this team.
RE: RE: Depends on what direction the new GM wants to go  
DisgruntledNYGfan : 12/6/2021 9:13 pm : link
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This is such a bizarre line of reasoning. "Sure, Jones has stunk up the joint, but who else are you going to get???"

Exactly. Is it that hard to replace the lack of production over the last 2 years? For those who argue he's playing behind a shitty OL, I agree. But, I'm not willing to re-up his deal to see if a better OL will yield a better QB. At most, I give him next year. But, I am in favor, right now, to being in a guy like Minshew or Tyrod Taylor as a potential stop gap. Do I think either is great? Nope. But, I don't think either is worse than Jones either.


I am thinking the problems go well beyond Jones, Glennon or whoever is the next victim. Last year, McCoy was able to do nothing in two games (the win against Seattle was bc of one long run and our defense). McCoy goes to AZ and looks like a competent qb there.
RE: Jones is the best player on our offense  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/6/2021 9:14 pm : link
In comment 15484631 Thunderstruck27 said:
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I think it's arguable that Thomas is better
Golladay, Sheppard, Toney, Thomas, Gates  
Jerry in_DC : 12/6/2021 9:21 pm : link
are all better than Jones. Engram pretty similar level. Barkley if healthy is better. Jones is better than Solder and the backup OL
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Thunderstruck27 : 12/6/2021 9:37 pm : link
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I think it's arguable that Thomas is better


Fair enough. He did catch a TD after all.
RE: Golladay, Sheppard, Toney, Thomas, Gates  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/6/2021 9:37 pm : link
In comment 15484730 Jerry in_DC said:
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are all better than Jones. Engram pretty similar level. Barkley if healthy is better. Jones is better than Solder and the backup OL


Nope
RE: RE: RE: We know the Giants struggle evaluating QB’s..  
Debaser : 12/6/2021 9:58 pm : link
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But, it is even more depressing that they signed Glennon. Mike Lombardi referenced on the GM Shuffle today that people in the building think Glennon can play, and that is troubling. Since Eli, what QB have they evaluated and hit correctly in their evaluation?

Fact is, Eli bailed out this franchise with his durability. The Giants wouldn’t trade for Minshew, but found Glennon an adequate back up. Depressing.



Get off of it already minshew this and that. They played on the same team split reps 50/50. Minshew better d him by a tad ended up a third stringer on the eagles. Glennon is a good back up. I’d like to see more of him and golladay and playing without a concussion



Split reps? Minshew got hurt and Glennon replaced him. Glennon was so bad, he got benched for the immortal Jake Luton.

Minshew was on pace for a 4,600 yd, 32 TD, 10 INT season. Glennon was nowhere near that pace.


Yea that is why Glennon played 5 games how many did Jake Luton start? And this was when trhey were already in full tank mode. The magnificent Minshew was a 3rd stringer; playing behinf Joe Flacco as a 3rd stringer not even on the roster for the first half of this season. But yea the grass is always greener. Having said that I'll believe Minshew is a better QB as I will believe jones is. I'll have to see it first though. And I doubt is it that cut and dry.
RE: Jones should be the QB next year  
bw in dc : 12/6/2021 10:07 pm : link
In comment 15484700 Tuckrule said:
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To say anything otherwise is just being stubborn. Finish the rookie contract while building the offensive line. It’s quite simple. If by some chance jones excels next season you can franchise him and go the Dak route. Make him prove it 2 years in a row. It’s a very very very easy simple plan. The giants will go that route or pick up the fifth year option at 21mm which might make more sense. Give him 2 years to prove it guaranteed while building the roster so if jones fails you can then draft a qb while having a team around that rookie.


Jones should never wear a NYG uniform again.

Hopefully the decision makers for this clown show recognize that a gift from the footfall gods has fallen in their laps. This Jones injury is the absolute perfect way for them to say they've seen enough of Jones and he is not the answer they had hoped. And he's now being shut down.

So it's now time to transition away from the failed Jones experiment and into a new direction.

No time to overthink this. No more time dwelling on what might have been with a healthy OL, WRs, RBs, etc. Jones never did anything special. He's been the epitome of ordinary. A game manager who needs absolutely everything to be perfect in order to possibly succeed...

That's just too much risk for one player. Cut the cord.
RE: Sorry, folks  
shocktheworld : 12/7/2021 12:26 am : link
In comment 15484586 Bill in UT said:
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If the new GM has half a brain, which I know is asking a lot with Mara selecting him, next draft will be to build a foundation. We can't waste draft assets on a QB or to trade for a QB. Jones, for better or worse, gets one more year, unless they like Fromm better or can pick up a FA for a couple mill or so.


Bill is spot on... we HAVE to use this upcoming draft to FIX the OLINE first....it's a deep draft in OL talent, and it doesn't matter if we had Tom Brady behind this current line....we'd still suck, so OL must be fixed before we bring in a new QB IMO
RE: RE: Hopefully he's played his last game as a Giant  
cosmicj : 12/7/2021 6:26 am : link
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you're disgusting. Whether Jones is bad or not, you're a terrible human being. Kid could have his career ended because of the shitty giants coaches and you're cheering it on. Almost hope the giants keep losing so fans like you get zero joy out of the team.


Give me a break. Jones I predict will have a lucrative, if ultimately unfulfilling career as a high level backup and will retire with $50-75mm in the bank. I’m sure he didn’t dream of that as a child but it’s a nice outcome compared to many.
We can simultaneously build up the OL and  
cosmicj : 12/7/2021 6:29 am : link
Move in from Jones. They are not mutually exclusive.
Jones has the YIPS  
Batenhorst7 : 12/7/2021 6:48 am : link
He has lost his confidence

does not go through his progressions

His footwork never was very good

Time to close the Jones book
RE: RE: Jones should be the QB next year  
Tuckrule : 12/7/2021 6:58 am : link
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To say anything otherwise is just being stubborn. Finish the rookie contract while building the offensive line. It’s quite simple. If by some chance jones excels next season you can franchise him and go the Dak route. Make him prove it 2 years in a row. It’s a very very very easy simple plan. The giants will go that route or pick up the fifth year option at 21mm which might make more sense. Give him 2 years to prove it guaranteed while building the roster so if jones fails you can then draft a qb while having a team around that rookie.



Jones should never wear a NYG uniform again.

Hopefully the decision makers for this clown show recognize that a gift from the footfall gods has fallen in their laps. This Jones injury is the absolute perfect way for them to say they've seen enough of Jones and he is not the answer they had hoped. And he's now being shut down.

So it's now time to transition away from the failed Jones experiment and into a new direction.

No time to overthink this. No more time dwelling on what might have been with a healthy OL, WRs, RBs, etc. Jones never did anything special. He's been the epitome of ordinary. A game manager who needs absolutely everything to be perfect in order to possibly succeed...

That's just too much risk for one player. Cut the cord.


Did you read the post? You need to build a roster. Why waste a pick or force one on a qb now. Waste another rookie deal? Build the roster before selecting a qb. Jones has one more year on the cheap plus 21mm for a fifth year option is middle of the pack qb money. This gives us 2 full off-seasons to build out a roster. Then, if jones continues to play poorly, draft a qb at that point in time we will have cap space and theoretically a solid offensive line where a rookie qb can succeed
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nochance : 12/7/2021 8:07 am : link
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Minchew is the prototypical garbage time QB. Last year 16 TD's and 5 ints leading the team to a 1-15 record. Show me a QB with 39 TD's and 11 ints who is unvalued as much as Minchew

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But, it is even more depressing that they signed Glennon. Mike Lombardi referenced on the GM Shuffle today that people in the building think Glennon can play, and that is troubling. Since Eli, what QB have they evaluated and hit correctly in their evaluation?

Fact is, Eli bailed out this franchise with his durability. The Giants wouldn’t trade for Minshew, but found Glennon an adequate back up. Depressing.



Get off of it already minshew this and that. They played on the same team split reps 50/50. Minshew better d him by a tad ended up a third stringer on the eagles. Glennon is a good back up. I’d like to see more of him and golladay and playing without a concussion



Split reps? Minshew got hurt and Glennon replaced him. Glennon was so bad, he got benched for the immortal Jake Luton.

Minshew was on pace for a 4,600 yd, 32 TD, 10 INT season. Glennon was nowhere near that pace.
RE: Jones has the YIPS  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/7/2021 8:08 am : link
In comment 15484909 Batenhorst7 said:
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He has lost his confidence

does not go through his progressions

His footwork never was very good

Time to close the Jones book


Debaser and you have finally convinced me.
RE: RE: RE: Jones is the best player on our offense  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/7/2021 8:22 am : link
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I think it's arguable that Thomas is better



Fair enough. He did catch a TD after all.


Most productive WR on the team this year!!
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Thunderstruck27 : 12/7/2021 9:01 am : link
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Fair enough. He did catch a TD after all.



Most productive WR on the team this year!!


LOL. It's funny because it's true.
RE: Jones is the best player on our offense  
GNewGiants : 12/7/2021 9:09 am : link
In comment 15484631 Thunderstruck27 said:
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Actually no he is not. And the only reason you can say this is because others have been injured.

Andrew Thomas is by far our best player. Then, Golladay, Toney, then Shepard. And probably Barkley as well.

The only reason you can make this statement is because the others havent played, and now that Jones isnt playing - you cannot say it either.
RE: RE: Sorry, folks  
HomerJones45 : 12/7/2021 9:13 am : link
In comment 15484874 shocktheworld said:
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If the new GM has half a brain, which I know is asking a lot with Mara selecting him, next draft will be to build a foundation. We can't waste draft assets on a QB or to trade for a QB. Jones, for better or worse, gets one more year, unless they like Fromm better or can pick up a FA for a couple mill or so.



Bill is spot on... we HAVE to use this upcoming draft to FIX the OLINE first....it's a deep draft in OL talent, and it doesn't matter if we had Tom Brady behind this current line....we'd still suck, so OL must be fixed before we bring in a new QB IMO
You guys need to watch some other teams. You can count the good o-lines in the NFL on one hand. Most teams have one decent guy and cut and paste the rest with the qb running for his life half the time. You need a qb who can create when the inevitable breakdowns occur. Your chances of finding 5 solid guys for an o-line in this day and age are very small.

If that is the plan, you will be here 10 years from now still complaining about the o-line.
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Thunderstruck27 : 12/7/2021 9:21 am : link
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Actually no he is not. And the only reason you can say this is because others have been injured.

Andrew Thomas is by far our best player. Then, Golladay, Toney, then Shepard. And probably Barkley as well.

The only reason you can make this statement is because the others havent played, and now that Jones isnt playing - you cannot say it either.


I can say it because this team couldn't even muster a TD against a defense who led the league in giving up big plays this year. But sure...since he missed a game I will amend my statement.
Jones was our best player on offense this year other than AT. Happy?
RE: RE: RE: Sorry, folks  
section125 : 12/7/2021 9:30 am : link
In comment 15485048 HomerJones45 said:
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You guys need to watch some other teams. You can count the good o-lines in the NFL on one hand. Most teams have one decent guy and cut and paste the rest with the qb running for his life half the time. You need a qb who can create when the inevitable breakdowns occur. Your chances of finding 5 solid guys for an o-line in this day and age are very small.

If that is the plan, you will be here 10 years from now still complaining about the o-line.


There is a difference between a line made up of two VG and 3 JAGS vs what the Giant have. You can hide one below average OL with 4 competent and/or above average others. You cannot hide 4 below average guys with one VG(Thomas). No QB is going to be able to play consistent football behind the Giants line.
RE: RE: RE: Jones is the best player on our offense  
GNewGiants : 12/7/2021 9:49 am : link
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Actually no he is not. And the only reason you can say this is because others have been injured.

Andrew Thomas is by far our best player. Then, Golladay, Toney, then Shepard. And probably Barkley as well.

The only reason you can make this statement is because the others havent played, and now that Jones isnt playing - you cannot say it either.



I can say it because this team couldn't even muster a TD against a defense who led the league in giving up big plays this year. But sure...since he missed a game I will amend my statement.
Jones was our best player on offense this year other than AT. Happy?


Jones has accomplished shit in his career and shit the last two years. There’s no a single team who would say Jones is better than Shepard, Golladay, Barkley, or Toney. None. Nada.

You realize those players haven’t performed is because they don’t have a QB who can’t make a presnap read. The only thing Jones is good at is panicking when there’s slight pressure.

Jones is one of the 5 worst starting QBs in the league and if it weren’t for some rookies - he may be the worst.
RE: Jones should be the QB next year  
Producer : 12/7/2021 10:50 am : link
In comment 15484700 Tuckrule said:
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To say anything otherwise is just being stubborn. Finish the rookie contract while building the offensive line. It’s quite simple. If by some chance jones excels next season you can franchise him and go the Dak route. Make him prove it 2 years in a row. It’s a very very very easy simple plan. The giants will go that route or pick up the fifth year option at 21mm which might make more sense. Give him 2 years to prove it guaranteed while building the roster so if jones fails you can then draft a qb while having a team around that rookie.


Stubborn, is to say that the Giants shouldn't at least consider moving on from Jones who has played terribly and has not accumulated any production to feel positive about. Stubborn is to insist we must throw away another season on this inept player. We don't have to build anything prior to consider moving on at QB. We can add a cheap vet, we can add a high profile vet, we can add a high draft pick, we can add a lower round developmental pick. We're not stuck to Daniel Jones because he has a guaranteed year left. You don't run a football team like it's a grocery store and keep a bunch of items out because they are still in stock. Jones stinks and we deserve better.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Jones is the best player on our offense  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/7/2021 12:12 pm : link
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Actually no he is not. And the only reason you can say this is because others have been injured.

Andrew Thomas is by far our best player. Then, Golladay, Toney, then Shepard. And probably Barkley as well.

The only reason you can make this statement is because the others havent played, and now that Jones isnt playing - you cannot say it either.



I can say it because this team couldn't even muster a TD against a defense who led the league in giving up big plays this year. But sure...since he missed a game I will amend my statement.
Jones was our best player on offense this year other than AT. Happy?



Jones has accomplished shit in his career and shit the last two years. There’s no a single team who would say Jones is better than Shepard, Golladay, Barkley, or Toney. None. Nada.

You realize those players haven’t performed is because they don’t have a QB who can’t make a presnap read. The only thing Jones is good at is panicking when there’s slight pressure.

Jones is one of the 5 worst starting QBs in the league and if it weren’t for some rookies - he may be the worst.


Jones is one of the 5 worst starting QBs in the league because they guys you listed stink or are made of glass*
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GNewGiants : 12/7/2021 12:17 pm : link
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Jones is one of the 5 worst starting QBs in the league because they guys you listed stink or are made of glass*
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No Jones is one of the 5 worst QBs in the league because he cant read defenses, he bird dogs receivers, he cant move within the pocket, he cant identify blitzes.

Outside Houston - which team has a worst QB situation? Maybe Detroit? But Goff is better than Jones too. Jones sucks dude. I know you like him and defend him, but its time to let it go.

he doesnt throw TDs, he doesnt win, and he cant stay healthy.
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Thunderstruck27 : 12/7/2021 12:20 pm : link
In comment 15485347 GNewGiants said:
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In comment 15485337 Thunderstruck27 said:


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Jones is one of the 5 worst starting QBs in the league because they guys you listed stink or are made of glass*
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No Jones is one of the 5 worst QBs in the league because he cant read defenses, he bird dogs receivers, he cant move within the pocket, he cant identify blitzes.

Outside Houston - which team has a worst QB situation? Maybe Detroit? But Goff is better than Jones too. Jones sucks dude. I know you like him and defend him, but its time to let it go.

he doesnt throw TDs, he doesnt win, and he cant stay healthy.


Am I defending him? I agree he is bottom 5 QB in the NFL. I am just not delusional and see that his supporting cast is worse.
RE: RE: RE: Jones should be the QB next year  
bw in dc : 12/7/2021 12:38 pm : link
In comment 15484911 Tuckrule said:
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Jones should never wear a NYG uniform again.

Hopefully the decision makers for this clown show recognize that a gift from the footfall gods has fallen in their laps. This Jones injury is the absolute perfect way for them to say they've seen enough of Jones and he is not the answer they had hoped. And he's now being shut down.

So it's now time to transition away from the failed Jones experiment and into a new direction.

No time to overthink this. No more time dwelling on what might have been with a healthy OL, WRs, RBs, etc. Jones never did anything special. He's been the epitome of ordinary. A game manager who needs absolutely everything to be perfect in order to possibly succeed...

That's just too much risk for one player. Cut the cord.



Did you read the post? You need to build a roster. Why waste a pick or force one on a qb now. Waste another rookie deal? Build the roster before selecting a qb. Jones has one more year on the cheap plus 21mm for a fifth year option is middle of the pack qb money. This gives us 2 full off-seasons to build out a roster. Then, if jones continues to play poorly, draft a qb at that point in time we will have cap space and theoretically a solid offensive line where a rookie qb can succeed


That's certainly one way to look at it. But I think we should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. Which means jettison Jones and continue to build an overall better roster. I've seen enough of Jones and don't think he's going to be the long-term solution. So why waste even more time trying to finesse this situation where we hope Jones might work and we still "benefit" from his rookie contract...

There are a variety of ways to find a replacement. Sign a free agent stop-gap, trade for QB (e.g. Carr) and/or draft a prospect. Time to move on from the Jones mistake.
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