Is this serious, have you heard something, or is this just another shot at the kid? There is so much sarcasm directed at him on this site, I truly can’t tell
If retirement is being considered that s tragic for him.
I see him as done and the Giants seem to already know this. At a minimum this would seem to cement the no reason to pick up the 5th year option thought and now it is just a question of if the Giants look elsewhere at QB this off-season.
Feels like it's highly likely it is season ending and career threatening.
If there is something the Giants Medical team won't clear him for, then he has to go to an expert for evaluation. It's very likely that already has happened at HSS and he's not happy with what he heard and is going above and beyond that.
The retire comment, is not that far fetched even if mentioned in jest.
The medical data that any treatment for Daniel Jones problem is better than time is lacking.
But I ask this question if he is not well and not able to play why is he making plane trips from coast to coast instead of home where he can rest, see the training staff and the team physicians. Makes no sense at all.
There is no new news about Jones anywhere on the web this morning.
It is possible. Kind of dumb to say week to week then. Remember, DJ broke his collar bone in college and his friends built him a device that allowed him to play. So, this doesn't surprise me that he's looking for ways to play.
Is this serious, have you heard something, or is this just another shot at the kid? There is so much sarcasm directed at him on this site, I truly can’t tell
If retirement is being considered that s tragic for him.
I don’t think it would be tragic. Tragic would be playing on and suffering even more extensive damage. I feel bad for Jones, but this stuff happens.
We saw Kenny Phillips, Hakeem Nicks & David Wilson all have promising careers cut short due to injury. Nicks could have had a HOF type career. It happens unfortunately.
Joe Judge basically said this during his presser ...
"“Daniel (is) seeing some doctors today, receiving some different opinions and diagnosis and things of that nature,” said Head Coach Joe Judge on Monday. “When we find out more information on him, that’ll give us a better idea going through this week."
Is this serious, have you heard something, or is this just another shot at the kid? There is so much sarcasm directed at him on this site, I truly can’t tell
If retirement is being considered that s tragic for him.
I don’t think it would be tragic. Tragic would be playing on and suffering even more extensive damage. I feel bad for Jones, but this stuff happens.
We saw Kenny Phillips, Hakeem Nicks & David Wilson all have promising careers cut short due to injury. Nicks could have had a HOF type career. It happens unfortunately.
not to mention Steve Smith, Victor Cruz and even Odell beckham was never the same
especially with a neck injury, he should seek second, third and fourth opinions. It is nothing to be trifled with. I do hope he recovers fully for his sake.
How this apparently happened so early in the game, but yet he managed to finish off the game ?
I was thinking along the lines of day to day for this week rather than week to week or season ending.
It's just not making sense to me, had he left at the time or a couple of plays later I could understand the apparent severity of it, but finishing the game and still attending practices to an extent just isn't making sense even now.
Just a little puzzling
Pure guessing on my part but it sounds like a vertebrae problem
If that’s the case he can travel participate in practice etc just can’t handle any contact. He needs a full off-season of rehab or surgery is an option. Tough break for him. This offense was so pathetic they were forced to use jones as a runner too often to move the chains. A bad o line who can’t pass protect or run block turned a pocket passer into a runner. He most likely won’t play again this season. Neck injuries obviously are very serious and why risk anything when we are a terrible team. Hopefully he can fully heal this off-season
He probably knows if he’s out for the season his time with the Giants may be over. If he can find a way to play again this year he may feel he can still prove to the Giants they should hold onto him. Probably too little too late though.
I think you just saw a report covering yesterdays doctor visits.
The TV news reporter was pretty specific in that Jones is seeking other opinions/options regarding his injury.
Like others on their thread, I am unable to confirm this report.
That being said, it does seem to make sense that given the vague nature of the injury report, and his missing at time, more is going on than meets the eye.
The medical data that any treatment for Daniel Jones problem is better than time is lacking.
But I ask this question if he is not well and not able to play why is he making plane trips from coast to coast instead of home where he can rest, see the training staff and the team physicians. Makes no sense at all.
This along the lines of so and so shouldn't be playing golf in the offseason, they should be watching film or studying the play book.
I would think that if the Giants medical staff thought that treatments over the weekend would be beneficial then he would be doing it. Perhaps he made the trip to help Fromm learn the playbook faster so the coaches could pretend to coach the game.
neck injuries are nothing to play through. It's not like a pulled hamstring that he can take a shot for or play through pain. I hope he's getting as much information possible and I hope he's ok.
How this apparently happened so early in the game, but yet he managed to finish off the game ?
I was thinking along the lines of day to day for this week rather than week to week or season ending.
It's just not making sense to me, had he left at the time or a couple of plays later I could understand the apparent severity of it, but finishing the game and still attending practices to an extent just isn't making sense even now.
Just a little puzzling
Injuries are often gradual. Add in the adrenaline from the game and it very well could have been what felt like a stinger but was tolerable from a pain perspective.
My main question is if it’s a pain management issue or something more chronic. We know nothing at this point.
I'd say it's certainly possible that they ran an MRI because his neck was bothering him and found something that wasn't actually related to the hit in the game.
I'd say it's certainly possible that they ran an MRI because his neck was bothering him and found something that wasn't actually related to the hit in the game.
Yup, definitely possible.
I've had my share of back and neck injuries. Been to HSS, NYU, etc - the doctors ive met with said disc injuries are so common, a good chunk of adult males have them and don't know, and a lot of athletes have them and just play through it (or don't know). Wouldn't surprise me at all if this is the scenario.
How this apparently happened so early in the game, but yet he managed to finish off the game ?
I was thinking along the lines of day to day for this week rather than week to week or season ending.
It's just not making sense to me, had he left at the time or a couple of plays later I could understand the apparent severity of it, but finishing the game and still attending practices to an extent just isn't making sense even now.
Just a little puzzling
It's seriously concerning. And then we follow-up up with keeping a concussed Glennon in there.
but, I have had two spinal fusion surgeries in my neck (C4-C7 are now fused- cadaver bones, titanium plate and 8 titanium screws).
The issue for me is degenerative disc BUT, the original injury that started this is guessed to be when I was 16. You can have an issue and deal with it for a LONG time not knowing what it is until things get much worse. He is pretty young and in shape, muscle development across shoulders and neck etc. so perhaps didn't have an issue that was obvious. getting hit though exposes conditions that were not obvious before.
I am not going to guess or speculate on his current injury or long term status as that is clearly not known but, if he has a condition that was exposed by this hit/injury then the long-term health of Jones is far greater than if he plays football.
I would highly doubt he plays again this year no matter the diagnosis as there would be no point in risking further injury on what is clearly a lost season.
and learned I had a chiari 1 malformation. with no syrinx. Basically brain tonsils herniate into the spinal column because the skull isn't big enough and forces it down. It's possible they found something like that (or maybe a syrinx which is a sac in the spinal column caused by disrupted CSF flow) which would mean his playing days are likely done (hope not).
draft O line beasts......edge rushing beasts......and do what the pats did last night, open holes in opposing defenses and run the ball, then prevent other team from scoring. find a competent qb to just go in and manage the games.
And next year is a huge question mark at this point.
I don't see the concern about how he shouldn't travel to games and he should just be resting at home. What's the difference between him sitting on a plane or sitting at home?
But, the quietness around this while a dark cloud seems to be following the story at the same time, is giving me David Wilson vibes…
That’s the first thing that I thought of as well, it’s David Wilson 2.0. Has any other team lost so many highly drafted players to career ending injuries so early into their careers more than us? This list is extensive: Wilson, Phillips, T Thomas, S Smith, Nicks, Jones the Safety, Pugh (not career ending but was injured every year with us), Richburg (same as Pugh), Sintim, etc. the list goes on and on, when will it stop?
but, I have had two spinal fusion surgeries in my neck (C4-C7 are now fused- cadaver bones, titanium plate and 8 titanium screws).
The issue for me is degenerative disc BUT, the original injury that started this is guessed to be when I was 16. You can have an issue and deal with it for a LONG time not knowing what it is until things get much worse. He is pretty young and in shape, muscle development across shoulders and neck etc. so perhaps didn't have an issue that was obvious. getting hit though exposes conditions that were not obvious before.
I am not going to guess or speculate on his current injury or long term status as that is clearly not known but, if he has a condition that was exposed by this hit/injury then the long-term health of Jones is far greater than if he plays football.
I would highly doubt he plays again this year no matter the diagnosis as there would be no point in risking further injury on what is clearly a lost season.
I'm fused C5-C7. I don't think the average person (who hasn't had to deal with it) realizes how serious these injuries are.
who have no access to DJ's medical records somehow know exactly what is wrong with him and how his career is now in jeopardy due to the seriousness of his injury. Yet the team has reported nothing to support your diagnosis and is not putting him IR. Before giving our expert medical opinions, why not wait a week or so to see what is really going on and let the real medical professionals, that have him in their care, evaluate him.
Starting to sound like its the type of thing that he could play with
who have no access to DJ's medical records somehow know exactly what is wrong with him and how his career is now in jeopardy due to the seriousness of his injury. Yet the team has reported nothing to support your diagnosis and is not putting him IR. Before giving our expert medical opinions, why not wait a week or so to see what is really going on and let the real medical professionals, that have him in their care, evaluate him.
People are sharing their experience/knowledge and from what I can tell, are caveating it with the fact that we don't know what he's experiencing, only that its something he's getting multiple opinions on.
Nothing that's being said here hurts anyone and talking about some of the possibilities is completely harmless.
who have no access to DJ's medical records somehow know exactly what is wrong with him and how his career is now in jeopardy due to the seriousness of his injury. Yet the team has reported nothing to support your diagnosis and is not putting him IR. Before giving our expert medical opinions, why not wait a week or so to see what is really going on and let the real medical professionals, that have him in their care, evaluate him.
Don't get dramatic. People speculating is what is done on a message board. Nobody diagnosed anything, just offered opinions to fill time. Does not hurt anyone or anything.
Besides we all have slept at a Holiday Inn Express...
"“Daniel (is) seeing some doctors today, receiving some different opinions and diagnosis and things of that nature,” said Head Coach Joe Judge on Monday. “When we find out more information on him, that’ll give us a better idea going through this week."
Could be that Jones doesn't trust the Giants's doctors' "rub some dirt on it and get back on the field" approach to sports medicine.
but if he's hit again (or in the right place) it could lead to very bad things.
Given what we have seen through actions, Daniel Jones practicing and throwing, but just not taking contact it seems that is a reasonable conclusion that the doctor's have concerns about the stability of the neck. Obviously, we don't know, but if that is the case, whatever you feel about the kid and his future, it is awful for him--especially since, by all accounts, he is someone who has dedicated himself to his job.
who have no access to DJ's medical records somehow know exactly what is wrong with him and how his career is now in jeopardy due to the seriousness of his injury. Yet the team has reported nothing to support your diagnosis and is not putting him IR. Before giving our expert medical opinions, why not wait a week or so to see what is really going on and let the real medical professionals, that have him in their care, evaluate him.
People are sharing their experience/knowledge and from what I can tell, are caveating it with the fact that we don't know what he's experiencing, only that its something he's getting multiple opinions on.
Nothing that's being said here hurts anyone and talking about some of the possibilities is completely harmless.
I was just sharing my own experience. I have no idea what's wrong with Jones. Didn't think I needed to add that caveat, but....
Neck injuries aren’t always immediately physically debilitating. It’s like some people want him playing just because he can stand and walk.
But any kind of slight damage or evidence of chronic condition developing may require some concern for surgical repair or regular therapies.
I hope the best for him physically and mentally. But starting to sound like there’s something possibly a little concerning or troubling longer term than just a neck strain now.
I see him as done and the Giants seem to already know this. At a minimum this would seem to cement the no reason to pick up the 5th year option thought and now it is just a question of if the Giants look elsewhere at QB this off-season.
Spoiler alert: maybe the carpenter was right, and DJ is done for the year.
If so, that's another knock. The kid isn't good enough to be made of glass.
How this apparently happened so early in the game, but yet he managed to finish off the game ?
I was thinking along the lines of day to day for this week rather than week to week or season ending.
It's just not making sense to me, had he left at the time or a couple of plays later I could understand the apparent severity of it, but finishing the game and still attending practices to an extent just isn't making sense even now.
Just a little puzzling
If you've played sports, you can relate to the elevated adrenaline levels that can overcome most injuries that don't result in skeletal/joint disruption.
I'm not shocked that DJ was able to play through the injury and not feel "hurt" until after the game. Had it been lower body and impacted his mobility, he probably would have been aware of it sooner, but this injury could very well have been unclear to DJ until he got looked at after the game.
"“Daniel (is) seeing some doctors today, receiving some different opinions and diagnosis and things of that nature,” said Head Coach Joe Judge on Monday. “When we find out more information on him, that’ll give us a better idea going through this week."
Could be that Jones doesn't trust the Giants's doctors' "rub some dirt on it and get back on the field" approach to sports medicine.
Yeah, that is in Philly.
More likely he wants to play and they will not let him...sort of like last year when he talked himself back in with the hammy.
Is this serious, have you heard something, or is this just another shot at the kid? There is so much sarcasm directed at him on this site, I truly can’t tell
If retirement is being considered that s tragic for him.
If there is something the Giants Medical team won't clear him for, then he has to go to an expert for evaluation. It's very likely that already has happened at HSS and he's not happy with what he heard and is going above and beyond that.
The retire comment, is not that far fetched even if mentioned in jest.
But I ask this question if he is not well and not able to play why is he making plane trips from coast to coast instead of home where he can rest, see the training staff and the team physicians. Makes no sense at all.
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he could retire.
Is this serious, have you heard something, or is this just another shot at the kid? There is so much sarcasm directed at him on this site, I truly can’t tell
If retirement is being considered that s tragic for him.
I don’t think it would be tragic. Tragic would be playing on and suffering even more extensive damage. I feel bad for Jones, but this stuff happens.
We saw Kenny Phillips, Hakeem Nicks & David Wilson all have promising careers cut short due to injury. Nicks could have had a HOF type career. It happens unfortunately.
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he could retire.
Is this serious, have you heard something, or is this just another shot at the kid? There is so much sarcasm directed at him on this site, I truly can’t tell
If retirement is being considered that s tragic for him.
I don’t think it would be tragic. Tragic would be playing on and suffering even more extensive damage. I feel bad for Jones, but this stuff happens.
We saw Kenny Phillips, Hakeem Nicks & David Wilson all have promising careers cut short due to injury. Nicks could have had a HOF type career. It happens unfortunately.
not to mention Steve Smith, Victor Cruz and even Odell beckham was never the same
I was thinking along the lines of day to day for this week rather than week to week or season ending.
It's just not making sense to me, had he left at the time or a couple of plays later I could understand the apparent severity of it, but finishing the game and still attending practices to an extent just isn't making sense even now.
Just a little puzzling
The TV news reporter was pretty specific in that Jones is seeking other opinions/options regarding his injury.
Like others on their thread, I am unable to confirm this report.
That being said, it does seem to make sense that given the vague nature of the injury report, and his missing at time, more is going on than meets the eye.
But I ask this question if he is not well and not able to play why is he making plane trips from coast to coast instead of home where he can rest, see the training staff and the team physicians. Makes no sense at all.
This along the lines of so and so shouldn't be playing golf in the offseason, they should be watching film or studying the play book.
I would think that if the Giants medical staff thought that treatments over the weekend would be beneficial then he would be doing it. Perhaps he made the trip to help Fromm learn the playbook faster so the coaches could pretend to coach the game.
I was thinking along the lines of day to day for this week rather than week to week or season ending.
It's just not making sense to me, had he left at the time or a couple of plays later I could understand the apparent severity of it, but finishing the game and still attending practices to an extent just isn't making sense even now.
Just a little puzzling
Injuries are often gradual. Add in the adrenaline from the game and it very well could have been what felt like a stinger but was tolerable from a pain perspective.
My main question is if it’s a pain management issue or something more chronic. We know nothing at this point.
+1 Though I would substitute TE for the DT. We got RayJay and a Moa.
I'd say it's certainly possible that they ran an MRI because his neck was bothering him and found something that wasn't actually related to the hit in the game.
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the injury did reveal a stenosis.
I'd say it's certainly possible that they ran an MRI because his neck was bothering him and found something that wasn't actually related to the hit in the game.
Yup, definitely possible.
I've had my share of back and neck injuries. Been to HSS, NYU, etc - the doctors ive met with said disc injuries are so common, a good chunk of adult males have them and don't know, and a lot of athletes have them and just play through it (or don't know). Wouldn't surprise me at all if this is the scenario.
I was thinking along the lines of day to day for this week rather than week to week or season ending.
It's just not making sense to me, had he left at the time or a couple of plays later I could understand the apparent severity of it, but finishing the game and still attending practices to an extent just isn't making sense even now.
Just a little puzzling
It's seriously concerning. And then we follow-up up with keeping a concussed Glennon in there.
I wish Jones well, hope he's okay.
The issue for me is degenerative disc BUT, the original injury that started this is guessed to be when I was 16. You can have an issue and deal with it for a LONG time not knowing what it is until things get much worse. He is pretty young and in shape, muscle development across shoulders and neck etc. so perhaps didn't have an issue that was obvious. getting hit though exposes conditions that were not obvious before.
I am not going to guess or speculate on his current injury or long term status as that is clearly not known but, if he has a condition that was exposed by this hit/injury then the long-term health of Jones is far greater than if he plays football.
I would highly doubt he plays again this year no matter the diagnosis as there would be no point in risking further injury on what is clearly a lost season.
Completely agree. Bring in a journeyman at QB while the trenches are built back up. Just don’t spend draft capital on a JAG QB!
I don't see the concern about how he shouldn't travel to games and he should just be resting at home. What's the difference between him sitting on a plane or sitting at home?
That’s the first thing that I thought of as well, it’s David Wilson 2.0. Has any other team lost so many highly drafted players to career ending injuries so early into their careers more than us? This list is extensive: Wilson, Phillips, T Thomas, S Smith, Nicks, Jones the Safety, Pugh (not career ending but was injured every year with us), Richburg (same as Pugh), Sintim, etc. the list goes on and on, when will it stop?
The issue for me is degenerative disc BUT, the original injury that started this is guessed to be when I was 16. You can have an issue and deal with it for a LONG time not knowing what it is until things get much worse. He is pretty young and in shape, muscle development across shoulders and neck etc. so perhaps didn't have an issue that was obvious. getting hit though exposes conditions that were not obvious before.
I am not going to guess or speculate on his current injury or long term status as that is clearly not known but, if he has a condition that was exposed by this hit/injury then the long-term health of Jones is far greater than if he plays football.
I would highly doubt he plays again this year no matter the diagnosis as there would be no point in risking further injury on what is clearly a lost season.
I'm fused C5-C7. I don't think the average person (who hasn't had to deal with it) realizes how serious these injuries are.
People are sharing their experience/knowledge and from what I can tell, are caveating it with the fact that we don't know what he's experiencing, only that its something he's getting multiple opinions on.
Nothing that's being said here hurts anyone and talking about some of the possibilities is completely harmless.
Don't get dramatic. People speculating is what is done on a message board. Nobody diagnosed anything, just offered opinions to fill time. Does not hurt anyone or anything.
Besides we all have slept at a Holiday Inn Express...
Fuck this guy
Could be that Jones doesn't trust the Giants's doctors' "rub some dirt on it and get back on the field" approach to sports medicine.
Given what we have seen through actions, Daniel Jones practicing and throwing, but just not taking contact it seems that is a reasonable conclusion that the doctor's have concerns about the stability of the neck. Obviously, we don't know, but if that is the case, whatever you feel about the kid and his future, it is awful for him--especially since, by all accounts, he is someone who has dedicated himself to his job.
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who have no access to DJ's medical records somehow know exactly what is wrong with him and how his career is now in jeopardy due to the seriousness of his injury. Yet the team has reported nothing to support your diagnosis and is not putting him IR. Before giving our expert medical opinions, why not wait a week or so to see what is really going on and let the real medical professionals, that have him in their care, evaluate him.
People are sharing their experience/knowledge and from what I can tell, are caveating it with the fact that we don't know what he's experiencing, only that its something he's getting multiple opinions on.
Nothing that's being said here hurts anyone and talking about some of the possibilities is completely harmless.
I was just sharing my own experience. I have no idea what's wrong with Jones. Didn't think I needed to add that caveat, but....
But any kind of slight damage or evidence of chronic condition developing may require some concern for surgical repair or regular therapies.
I hope the best for him physically and mentally. But starting to sound like there’s something possibly a little concerning or troubling longer term than just a neck strain now.
Spoiler alert: maybe the carpenter was right, and DJ is done for the year.
If so, that's another knock. The kid isn't good enough to be made of glass.
I was thinking along the lines of day to day for this week rather than week to week or season ending.
It's just not making sense to me, had he left at the time or a couple of plays later I could understand the apparent severity of it, but finishing the game and still attending practices to an extent just isn't making sense even now.
Just a little puzzling
If you've played sports, you can relate to the elevated adrenaline levels that can overcome most injuries that don't result in skeletal/joint disruption.
I'm not shocked that DJ was able to play through the injury and not feel "hurt" until after the game. Had it been lower body and impacted his mobility, he probably would have been aware of it sooner, but this injury could very well have been unclear to DJ until he got looked at after the game.
I hope he's ok, just as one human caring about another.
I don't care whether he's able to play football again.
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"“Daniel (is) seeing some doctors today, receiving some different opinions and diagnosis and things of that nature,” said Head Coach Joe Judge on Monday. “When we find out more information on him, that’ll give us a better idea going through this week."
Could be that Jones doesn't trust the Giants's doctors' "rub some dirt on it and get back on the field" approach to sports medicine.
Yeah, that is in Philly.
More likely he wants to play and they will not let him...sort of like last year when he talked himself back in with the hammy.