Canty was on the Bart and Hahn show (ESPN 98.7) yesterday afternoon and did bring up the Mara family's involvement in the teams operations. Specifically Chris Mara as SVP of Personnel being deeply involved in college player evaluations, the draft and the Giants draft board. Also mentioned his son being employed now and referenced that Chris has been in that position since 2011.
He left out the dysfunctional reporting line of Chris Mara directly reporting up to his brother John instead of the GM like most normal organizations.
I personally have had enough talking about Judge, Gettleman, Jones etc. They are simply the deck chairs on the Titanic.
I would encourage us all to call in and email these media personalities reinforcing what we talk about here and maybe we can create the groundswell that can't be ignored by the Mara's. Specifically to get Chris and his son out of operations given the failed talent evaluations over the last ten years.
I have called WFAN and briefly mentioned this point. If we all do, at least the spotlight will be shone on it. The media are like vipers and if we push this thread it will resonate. For too long it's been below the surface and most media types don't even know about it. Once they do I'm sure it will be a top topic going forward.
They own the TEAM! The Jones's are all involved in Dallas. You can argue the point all you want but it isn't nepotism, it is called ownership.
Chris Mara has had one real job in his entire life. Son of Wellington Mara. There is nothing wrong with that and from his public persona I'll bet he's a very good guy and a lot of fun at parties.
I am not attacking him as a person or any of the Mara's. I just want him held accountable with his brother for ruining my favorite football team and hoping if it's publicized enough that maybe it will create some change.
Nothing like having someone making major decisions who cannot be reprimanded or fired. Recipe for success.. not.
But you are right, we need the media to start talking about it. Need the media to put it in the papers. Is it a coincidence that the team has gone down hill since he got his position in 2011? Maybe.. but maybe not. Is he the sole problem? No, but is he part of the problem? I am willing to bet yes in that
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shot down as hearsay multiple times, but imo there is no need for any Mara to be employed by this team other than nepotism. If a former part of this organization is saying that Mara is involved in creating this shit show...it needs to stop and they need to be held responsible.
They own the TEAM! The Jones's are all involved in Dallas. You can argue the point all you want but it isn't nepotism, it is called ownership.
I do believe at some point public pressure on this point can get him removed. Or at least motivate Tisch to push John Mara to move Chris out of that position. Regardless, I think after this year Tisch will force Mara to go outside the organization and hire someone with no previous ties. Just speculation on my part.
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shot down as hearsay multiple times, but imo there is no need for any Mara to be employed by this team other than nepotism. If a former part of this organization is saying that Mara is involved in creating this shit show...it needs to stop and they need to be held responsible.
They own the TEAM! The Jones's are all involved in Dallas. You can argue the point all you want but it isn't nepotism, it is called ownership.
Oh..the Maras OWN the team? My mistake. I retract all my statements. Everything is fine.
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shot down as hearsay multiple times, but imo there is no need for any Mara to be employed by this team other than nepotism. If a former part of this organization is saying that Mara is involved in creating this shit show...it needs to stop and they need to be held responsible.
They own the TEAM! The Jones's are all involved in Dallas. You can argue the point all you want but it isn't nepotism, it is called ownership.
Oh..the Maras OWN the team? My mistake. I retract all my statements. Everything is fine.
He has a point. Chis isn’t a brother of the owner, he is an owner. Same for nephew Timmy. As long as the profits keep coming in, there is little incentive to change anything.
Thanks for clarification.
Change.Org petition????
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shot down as hearsay multiple times, but imo there is no need for any Mara to be employed by this team other than nepotism. If a former part of this organization is saying that Mara is involved in creating this shit show...it needs to stop and they need to be held responsible.
They own the TEAM! The Jones's are all involved in Dallas. You can argue the point all you want but it isn't nepotism, it is called ownership.
Oh..the Maras OWN the team? My mistake. I retract all my statements. Everything is fine.
He has a point. Chis isn’t a brother of the owner, he is an owner. Same for nephew Timmy. As long as the profits keep coming in, there is little incentive to change anything.
That is 100% the point. Take away the money. How did Mets fans finally get their wish?
See that isn't the point I am making. I am saying they OWN the team. We can argue and demand all we want but they own it.
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shot down as hearsay multiple times, but imo there is no need for any Mara to be employed by this team other than nepotism. If a former part of this organization is saying that Mara is involved in creating this shit show...it needs to stop and they need to be held responsible.
They own the TEAM! The Jones's are all involved in Dallas. You can argue the point all you want but it isn't nepotism, it is called ownership.
It's ownership when you win, nepotism when you lose. Apparently, nepotism is not working for the Giants.
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shot down as hearsay multiple times, but imo there is no need for any Mara to be employed by this team other than nepotism. If a former part of this organization is saying that Mara is involved in creating this shit show...it needs to stop and they need to be held responsible.
They own the TEAM! The Jones's are all involved in Dallas. You can argue the point all you want but it isn't nepotism, it is called ownership.
Oh..the Maras OWN the team? My mistake. I retract all my statements. Everything is fine.
Giant fans can be upset all they want, but the team is and has always been a family owned AND RUN business. A family owned business might let outsiders run things, but a family RUN business does not, and is always preparing people in the family to take over when the time comes. The fans will not be able to change this.
But I agree with your premise, if fans keep making noise about this and if the press grows a spine and starts asking questions about it, maybe some positive change can happen.
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shot down as hearsay multiple times, but imo there is no need for any Mara to be employed by this team other than nepotism. If a former part of this organization is saying that Mara is involved in creating this shit show...it needs to stop and they need to be held responsible.
They own the TEAM! The Jones's are all involved in Dallas. You can argue the point all you want but it isn't nepotism, it is called ownership.
Oh..the Maras OWN the team? My mistake. I retract all my statements. Everything is fine.
He has a point. Chis isn’t a brother of the owner, he is an owner. Same for nephew Timmy. As long as the profits keep coming in, there is little incentive to change anything.
That is 100% the point. Take away the money. How did Mets fans finally get their wish?
Love him or hate him, he has very little to do with the current state of the NY Giants. And whoever the new GM is won't, either.
They are no better than 3rd on the decision-making totem pole. Maybe lower than that. What "big time" GM with options would ever sign up here?
They will be relegated to "company men" like Gettleman, Abrams, Pioli or Riddick - guys on the outside just happy for the title.
it absently is. and even if you aren't related, once you are in you are in.
Its a perfect example of an "old boys club".
Really wish a competing league would come along
You can win with this ownership, it's been proven. However, you cannot win with the current ownership structure and rampant nepotism. It grows clearer by the season that 2007 and 2011 were the last remnants of the Pete Rozelle intervention with Wellington, which brough Young, which brought a then competent Accorsi, and - at least for the first part of his tenure - a Reese that somewhat understood the modern game. The culmination of which yielded Coughlin and Eli. As others have said, it's been a continuous downhill slide since 2011 - or the ascension of Mara nepotism. Most likely stemming from the overconfidence rooted in the 07 and 11 titles.
Unfortunately, in the 70s, the NFL required a quality Giants franchise, as it was in the biggest market in the country and one of the cornerstones of the league. That is not the case now, the league has grown beyond a need for its cornerstone franchises to be successful and we are unlikely to ever see league intervention short of a Frank McCourt esq situation.
so excited about the upcoming Draft.
Love him or hate him, he has very little to do with the current state of the NY Giants. And whoever the new GM is won't, either.
They are no better than 3rd on the decision-making totem pole. Maybe lower than that. What "big time" GM with options would ever sign up here?
They will be relegated to "company men" like Gettleman, Abrams, Pioli or Riddick - guys on the outside just happy for the title.
This is just wrong. And each paragraph too...
But think about what you know of DG. He comes here and publicly proclaims himself an OL expert that will fix the line. The nastiest OL in years is sitting right there in the draft. Grew up a Giants fan. If was too perfect.
IMO - Barkley was the ultra-marketable owner (Mara) pick. Nothing to prove that but it just makes sense. They saw dollar signs with Barkley.
*hangs up phone*
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And more likely, if and when the Giants find a competent GM that has good player evaluation skills then the family stuff will just fall in line or become irrelevant.
Might get a decent crowd if it was catered! :)
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HOw dare you, sanity and reality not welcome where BBI hyperbole rules and know it all experts spend two hours a week on their couch watching A game through a keyhole and seven days ranting about through a megaphone....sad
shot down as hearsay multiple times, but imo there is no need for any Mara to be employed by this team other than nepotism. If a former part of this organization is saying that Mara is involved in creating this shit show...it needs to stop and they need to be held responsible.
They own the TEAM! The Jones's are all involved in Dallas. You can argue the point all you want but it isn't nepotism, it is called ownership.
And more likely, if and when the Giants find a competent GM that has good player evaluation skills then the family stuff will just fall in line or become irrelevant.
I think the point people are making is that the GM's player evaluation skills are not what controls in the Giants organization, as Mara-Mara-McDonnell are the actual decision-makers (or at least strong influencers) as to personnel.
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makes for good drama on BBI. While it will probably be better if they weren't intertwined in whatever that capacity is, likely not worth the concern.
And more likely, if and when the Giants find a competent GM that has good player evaluation skills then the family stuff will just fall in line or become irrelevant.
I think the point people are making is that the GM's player evaluation skills are not what controls in the Giants organization, as Mara-Mara-McDonnell are the actual decision-makers (or at least strong influencers) as to personnel.
Understand their point, except that's not what is happening.
The GM is driving the ship on player evals/acquisition.
My guess is the avearage Giants fan is blaming one or more of Gettleman, Judge, John Mara or even Jones for the Giants suckatude.
If the average Giants fan isn't really aware of Chris Mara or his role, then John Mara doesn't have to address it. He can bring in a new (outsider) GM to replace DG along with some new players and assistant coaches and most fans won't be calling for Chris Mara's head.
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makes for good drama on BBI. While it will probably be better if they weren't intertwined in whatever that capacity is, likely not worth the concern.
And more likely, if and when the Giants find a competent GM that has good player evaluation skills then the family stuff will just fall in line or become irrelevant.
I think the point people are making is that the GM's player evaluation skills are not what controls in the Giants organization, as Mara-Mara-McDonnell are the actual decision-makers (or at least strong influencers) as to personnel.
Understand their point, except that's not what is happening.
The GM is driving the ship on player evals/acquisition.
Correct. This is (mostly) a Gettleman problem.
this is so wrong it's stunning. Parcells left because he wanted to have GM responsibilites which belonged to George Young and George Young only at that time. Belichick never came back because GY didn't think he could be a Head Coach.
He’s our Stephen Jones. Don’t be surprised if there’s an even bigger title in store for him one day.
What happens in my experience with family run businesses that are failing is when a new outside voice comes in that voice has a lot of sway and everyone in a group setting or on a committee is supportive. But as the failing continues that person loses their juice and the family members begin to meet without them and take control of the committee decisions again.
Regardless of who the new GM will be IMO he'll have everyone's ear in the beginning. IMO Barkley was Gettleman's pick. Jones was Gettleman's pick. I'm sure the committee went along with him but he was driving the bus on those drafts. Do people really think it was a coincidence that for the first time ever Gettleman traded back in the draft? Or was the fact that after last year Joe Judge was new the franchise face of the team off the field and the place he came from is known for trading back in the draft the main influence? That's how things work. This year I would expect Judge to be happy he's still in the room if he is and the new GM to be the biggest influence.
That was a clearly an awful pick but that decision doesn't crack the top 500 in poor decisions made by this franchise.
I'm sure Chris Mara isn't helping the situation but it seems a little overblown.