and greatly appreciated. I turned this one off before the end of the 3rd. An average performance by Glennon and they likely win that game. I do not know what happened after 1/2 time but he simply fell apart. Did not like Graham's play calls just before half after stifling the Dolphins most of the 1st half.
I would not mind seeing Barkley moved off season for whatever pick they could get saving $7.2 mill . (Feel the same with Jones at this point but this injury may can that idea.)
"Barkley appears to fear contact and lack natural skill/fluidity."
When we combine this with his pass blocking troubles, how do we get from one of your highest draft grades ever to lacking natural skill/fluidity? Was he the beneficiary of a good/great OL in college and is now exposed by the reality of the NFL?
"Barkley appears to fear contact and lack natural skill/fluidity."
When we combine this with his pass blocking troubles, how do we get from one of your highest draft grades ever to lacking natural skill/fluidity? Was he the beneficiary of a good/great OL in college and is now exposed by the reality of the NFL?
I don't want to speak for anyone, but I think it's likely that leg injuries have negated his top-end speed and burst. He just isn't the explosive player we drafted. He isn't breaking tackles and bouncing to the outside anymore. I'd like to see the difference in yards after contact since his injury.
Compound that with his inability to block and he is a borderline detriment to the team out there.
I cry UNCLE with Barkley. I was excited when they picked him
but man, he's epitomizing "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane". Charmin soft. 235 lb. backs should be running over DBs, not trying to hurdle them. What a disappointment.
he was playing against a lot of players that couldn't keep up with his speed. In college he could bounce every run to the outside and most of the time it would work or run through holes untouched that don't exist in the NFL.
Maybe on a better team with a good OL and smarter coaches, before injuries ruined his career, he could have been a highlight film. Or if you're old enough he's early career Rodney Hampton and the Giants need him to be Dan Reeves Rodney Hampton. Not comparing them as players just that young Rodney could cut on a dime and make people miss - probably better than Barkley but not as much top end speed - and Dan Reeves turned him into a between the tackles 4 yards a cloud of astroturf back.
"Barkley appears to fear contact and lack natural skill/fluidity."
When we combine this with his pass blocking troubles, how do we get from one of your highest draft grades ever to lacking natural skill/fluidity? Was he the beneficiary of a good/great OL in college and is now exposed by the reality of the NFL?
I don't want to speak for anyone, but I think it's likely that leg injuries have negated his top-end speed and burst. He just isn't the explosive player we drafted. He isn't breaking tackles and bouncing to the outside anymore. I'd like to see the difference in yards after contact since his injury.
Compound that with his inability to block and he is a borderline detriment to the team out there.
When he hits the hole he is still explosive. On his two big runs he just out accelerated the defenders - it surprised me.
But he is just not a power runner at all. Sy was right though, since half time last week he has actually made an effort to push the pile.
I think there are teams on which he would be better used and would perform better with a creative coaching staff.
Have to ask this question knowing you may not know the answer:
Do we have any indication when Glennon actually sustained the concussion? He seemed to sharply regress as the game went on and I have to believe this had something to do with it.
Can Barkley be traded in the offseason for draft capital??
Better man than me. I can barely watch them live, much less on tape.
Watching this game was torture. I openly asked my friends "why are we even doing this?" I guess as Sy said we should focus on the young guys. But watching the game feels more like an obligation/burden than something fun. Part of it is how much I dislike the folks running things, so hopefully that will change next year.
RE: I cry UNCLE with Barkley. I was excited when they picked him
but man, he's epitomizing "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane". Charmin soft. 235 lb. backs should be running over DBs, not trying to hurdle them. What a disappointment.
In retrospect our first red flag with him should have been how much he talked about "taking care of his body" to have a long career after we drafted him, there was never any "I'll do what I need to in order to win" talk. Not only did that not workout at all for him, but it gave us a little bit of a snap shot into his mentality.
I don't think Barkley has been done any favors by the Giants
I believe having to play hero ball behind the Giants patchwork OL has led to more injuries and reinforced some poor habits he had in college. This isn't an excuse for the pick because I wasn't in favor of RB at 2 from a team building, cap and positional value standpoint but I don't think the Giants were wrong on the talent. Anybody could see that though, so it's not an endorsement on their talent eval either. They just wasted his prime years and ruined the guy or turned him into a potential value reclamation project for a contender. This was predicted by a lot of people too.
RE: RE: I cry UNCLE with Barkley. I was excited when they picked him
but man, he's epitomizing "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane". Charmin soft. 235 lb. backs should be running over DBs, not trying to hurdle them. What a disappointment.
In retrospect our first red flag with him should have been how much he talked about "taking care of his body" to have a long career after we drafted him, there was never any "I'll do what I need to in order to win" talk. Not only did that not workout at all for him, but it gave us a little bit of a snap shot into his mentality.
but man, he's epitomizing "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane". Charmin soft. 235 lb. backs should be running over DBs, not trying to hurdle them. What a disappointment.
In retrospect our first red flag with him should have been how much he talked about "taking care of his body" to have a long career after we drafted him, there was never any "I'll do what I need to in order to win" talk. Not only did that not workout at all for him, but it gave us a little bit of a snap shot into his mentality.
good points Bitey
Yeah I don’t think he is long for this team. Should open up trade discussions in the off season, maybe the Jets will want him he can go to the team he grew up rooting for. If they can get a late 1st or early 2nd I’d sell him for sure. He’s just not worth resigning nor is he even worth his current contract, Booker deserves more burn than him for how he plays. Never thought I’d say that. It’s a shame, but you need to know when to cut your loses and move on. Will hurt less considering this is a completely lost year, and the Giants are still likely 3-5 years away especially with the uncertainty around Jones too.
about testing players for the passion for football is something I’ve mentioned about people that play football vs football players.
If I’m those players mentioned, any other stater, and even moreso about backups , backups to back ups and PS and offthestreet players, I’m am showcasing that I’m a football player the next 5 weeks because there will be a lot of openings on this team and if I do that I have a chance to come back here next season with an opportunity to get a fresh start and maybe advance, possibly the only place I can advance.
Herandez is done with the Giants at the end of the season. So is Solder. And it looks like they don't have any long-term interest in Peart. Gates also can't be counted on to return next year, and Wilson is an unknown. Lemieux is a backup in all likelihood. After four years of DG, the OL is still a mess.
Not sure what to do about Barkley. I agree with those who say his lower leg injuries may have robbed him of his breakaway speed, but there is no excuse for him being run over or completely whiffing in pass blocking, certainly not in his third year. I'd probably look to trade him, but his value is likely very low right now.
We're closer on defense, but need edge rushers and LBs that can hold the edge on running plays. Our LBs simply don't have enough sideline to sideline speed.
I liked what I saw from Robinson and Williams.
What kills me about Barkley is the work ethic nonsense.
He's a beach body, just like Evan Engram. I have no doubt they pump iron until they puke.
But Barkley has zero football work ethic. Part of his hype was that he was an incomplete player, but thanks to his drive & determination he would turn weaknesses into strengths. He promised he'd work on pass pro, etc.
His pass pro has gotten worse. His inside running has gotten worse. His receiving skills have gotten worse.
There's been no development to any aspect of his game. In fact he's regressed everywhere.
RE: What kills me about Barkley is the work ethic nonsense.
He's a beach body, just like Evan Engram. I have no doubt they pump iron until they puke.
But Barkley has zero football work ethic. Part of his hype was that he was an incomplete player, but thanks to his drive & determination he would turn weaknesses into strengths. He promised he'd work on pass pro, etc.
His pass pro has gotten worse. His inside running has gotten worse. His receiving skills have gotten worse.
There's been no development to any aspect of his game. In fact he's regressed everywhere.
Yeah I agree more or less. I know injuries probably play a part, but he hasn’t developed his game at all as a player. Not sure if it’s him or coaching , or combo of both. But it is fair to say he has regressed, and my confidence that he can be the player we saw his rookie year has flown out the window. I would happily sell him for whatever they can get.
"...the ability to pound the ball with the running game is still the most economic and safest way to play football. NYG won’t ever run the ball without 3, maybe even 4 new starters on this offensive line. I already have some thoughts in relation to how this organization needs to build for 2022 and beyond, but I will let the rest of the year play out first. However, I will say this right now: if this team wants to succeed and get on track, their draft resources noted above need to be thrown into this position group. Over and over."
My Translation:
With the exception of our Left Tackle, for every current starter who starts next season, that is equivalent to 3 losses right off the bat. Should all 4 start, the team is handicapped with 12 losses before the season even begins. Depend upon it.
"Barkley appears to fear contact and lack natural skill/fluidity."
When we combine this with his pass blocking troubles, how do we get from one of your highest draft grades ever to lacking natural skill/fluidity? Was he the beneficiary of a good/great OL in college and is now exposed by the reality of the NFL?
These are human beings. Some work hard at a constant rate, others do not. Some have intrinsic toughness, others do not. Some have a mental block after injury, some do not.
..the next GM needs to educate the front office in the craft of moving on from your mistakes and not placing value on your own picks that they don't deserve. This entire right tackle situation 2020-21, as well as the Will Hernandez 'maybe' show will be repeated unless a real influencer gets his Metlife ID card in the offseason.
I can recite Sy's list of young guys as fast as anyone because it's the key element in responding to: "I don't understand why you'd watch that team every Sunday". Quincy Roche is also on my list.
Have to ask this question knowing you may not know the answer:
Do we have any indication when Glennon actually sustained the concussion? He seemed to sharply regress as the game went on and I have to believe this had something to do with it.
"Barkley appears to fear contact and lack natural skill/fluidity."
When we combine this with his pass blocking troubles, how do we get from one of your highest draft grades ever to lacking natural skill/fluidity? Was he the beneficiary of a good/great OL in college and is now exposed by the reality of the NFL?
I don't want to speak for anyone, but I think it's likely that leg injuries have negated his top-end speed and burst. He just isn't the explosive player we drafted. He isn't breaking tackles and bouncing to the outside anymore. I'd like to see the difference in yards after contact since his injury.
Compound that with his inability to block and he is a borderline detriment to the team out there.
A major problem is he does bounce outside too many times (including off the line blocking assignments and run design) to the tackles when he needs to run inside them with more authority. The issue is he doesn’t have same twitch and elusive quickness on the edge and combined with lack of power and physical running at point of attack usually spells the end knell for significant career as a premier back going forward. Everyone knew he wasn’t good at helping with blocking assignments coming out of college but it’s still bad enough that’s a liability. Barkley might be best served going somewhere else as a rotational back to spell a few runs and be an option in passing game/3rd downs.
Am not ready to give up on him yet. It is his first year back from the ACL and as we have seen before it can take two years to rebound. I don't think he is mentally back after the latest ankle injury and I don't think he will ask for the huge contract when the time comes. You are not going to get anything for him other then scraps in the trade market it makes more sense to keep him and see this to the end.
Thanks Sy. I can say that I had no intention of watching
and was outside in the yard when it started. I sat down about the beginning of the 2nd quarter to eat lunch and watch. I was slightly astonished that I just didn't care. I knew the team has no real shot at the playoffs and even if they did they'd get out coached. I knew Glennon didn't matter, he isn't the future. I was sick of watching for improvements in OL play. Sick of watching Barkley dance for a 2 yard loss. Sick of watching the defense play 20 yards off the LOS and the opposing QB have all day to throw. I thought that the Mara's should be careful as their are plenty of young fans who will turn away from their team and the NFL entirely. I blame the previous generations of Mara's for the large number of Cowboy and Steelers fans from the NYC area in my generation. The same is likely to happen making the Pats and the Packers or Rams what the Giants were, a LONG time ago; a non-region regional favorite. So when I finished my lunch I went right back outside. No lingering to watch and no concern. I was better off for it. In previous iterations of this Giants desert years, you'd want to see the defense or specials play. Brad Van Pelt, Jessie Armstead, Joe Danello, Dave Jennings...I can only watch Gano so many times. Poor guy. Poor us.
about testing players for the passion for football is something I’ve mentioned about people that play football vs football players.
If I’m those players mentioned, any other stater, and even moreso about backups , backups to back ups and PS and offthestreet players, I’m am showcasing that I’m a football player the next 5 weeks because there will be a lot of openings on this team and if I do that I have a chance to come back here next season with an opportunity to get a fresh start and maybe advance, possibly the only place I can advance.
There aren’t a lot of openings next year for current backups to start on the 2022 Giants because this coaching staff makes up its mind on a player early and doesn’t give the player an opportunity to show more.
Glennon is completely incompetent and uncapable of playing QB. On at least 6 plays there was a receiver wide open but he never got past his first read. Then when he finally decides to survey the field, he taps, taps, taps, the ball, looks around confused and gets sacked at the 5 yard line.
Add to that the numerous passes he threw behind receivers that were open - - such as the John Ross play. Based on what I saw, this man has no place being in a starting lineup in the NFL. I don't have any idea of what Fromm can bring, but Glennon was so overmatched by the challenge Fromm cannot be a worse chose. Even Brian Lewerke can do better then Glennon.
My hope is when they jogged off the field and into the runway, Judge told Glennon "son, you have a concussion and can't start next week".
Glennon is completely incompetent and uncapable of playing QB. On at least 6 plays there was a receiver wide open but he never got past his first read. Then when he finally decides to survey the field, he taps, taps, taps, the ball, looks around confused and gets sacked at the 5 yard line.
Add to that the numerous passes he threw behind receivers that were open - - such as the John Ross play. Based on what I saw, this man has no place being in a starting lineup in the NFL. I don't have any idea of what Fromm can bring, but Glennon was so overmatched by the challenge Fromm cannot be a worse chose. Even Brian Lewerke can do better then Glennon.
My hope is when they jogged off the field and into the runway, Judge told Glennon "son, you have a concussion and can't start next week".
Meanwhile, Colt McCoy did very well in Arizona when Murray was out.
and was outside in the yard when it started. I sat down about the beginning of the 2nd quarter to eat lunch and watch. I was slightly astonished that I just didn't care. I knew the team has no real shot at the playoffs and even if they did they'd get out coached. I knew Glennon didn't matter, he isn't the future. I was sick of watching for improvements in OL play. Sick of watching Barkley dance for a 2 yard loss. Sick of watching the defense play 20 yards off the LOS and the opposing QB have all day to throw. I thought that the Mara's should be careful as their are plenty of young fans who will turn away from their team and the NFL entirely. I blame the previous generations of Mara's for the large number of Cowboy and Steelers fans from the NYC area in my generation. The same is likely to happen making the Pats and the Packers or Rams what the Giants were, a LONG time ago; a non-region regional favorite. So when I finished my lunch I went right back outside. No lingering to watch and no concern. I was better off for it. In previous iterations of this Giants desert years, you'd want to see the defense or specials play. Brad Van Pelt, Jessie Armstead, Joe Danello, Dave Jennings...I can only watch Gano so many times. Poor guy. Poor us.
I don’t feel any reason why I should watch it now….it sounds like it was all bad.
But, I do have. Few thoughts going forward:
1. 100% agree…we need a major upgrade in draft personnel. We have to many duds and not enough studs, especially in rounds 1-3.
2. I think trading Barkley makes sense. He is not any better than a cheaper Booker. That is 7.2 million saved.
3. I hope 2 of our first 3 draft picks are OL.
4. Cut Riley Dixon after the season
5. Hoping Jake Fromm plays well enough to pass Glennon on the pecking order
6. I hope I never read the names Solder and Hernandez on this site next year
I don’t feel any reason why I should watch it now….it sounds like it was all bad.
But, I do have. Few thoughts going forward:
1. 100% agree…we need a major upgrade in draft personnel. We have to many duds and not enough studs, especially in rounds 1-3.
2. I think trading Barkley makes sense. He is not any better than a cheaper Booker. That is 7.2 million saved.
3. I hope 2 of our first 3 draft picks are OL.
4. Cut Riley Dixon after the season
5. Hoping Jake Fromm plays well enough to pass Glennon on the pecking order
6. I hope I never read the names Solder and Hernandez on this site next year
but this is his first year back from a bad injury and he had a pretty bad ankle injury as well this year. It is very reasonable to expect him to improve next year. I wonder if this could affect his agility for pass blocking as well?
A lot of people get a lot of blame for the offense sucking. Is it all of Judge, Garrett, Jones, and Barkley's fault? I'm sure they all have their flaws, but the abysmal offensive line dominates everything else wrong with this team.
If it was me I'd be inclined (if the value is there) to draft offensive linemen with as many as the first 4 or 5 picks. Is there a risk you could wind up with a guy with the talent to start who doesn't have a spot? For one that seems like a low likelihood right now. And for two, until the problem is fixed nothing else really matters on this team. ALL resources should go to the line. Maybe there's room for an edge rusher, but anything else you do on this team is largely wasted without. Nothing else matters and Jones and Barkley and a lot of other people will look a lot better if you fix the line. Not perfect, but better.
The issues with Barkley did not just appear this year
Because of the ACL or the ankle. He was always a contact-shy dancer without gap discipline. Always looking for the home run play. His pass protection needed improvement before he got hurt. He never ran or played to his physical size. The injuries are just compounding existent issues.
I don’t feel any reason why I should watch it now….it sounds like it was all bad.
But, I do have. Few thoughts going forward:
1. 100% agree…we need a major upgrade in draft personnel. We have to many duds and not enough studs, especially in rounds 1-3.
2. I think trading Barkley makes sense. He is not any better than a cheaper Booker. That is 7.2 million saved.
3. I hope 2 of our first 3 draft picks are OL.
4. Cut Riley Dixon after the season
5. Hoping Jake Fromm plays well enough to pass Glennon on the pecking order
6. I hope I never read the names Solder and Hernandez on this site next year
I actaully LOL'd in agreement at #6. Sad. After watching some of Glennon and hearing reviews I don't doubt Fromm could supplant him at #2. Maybe, if we are REALLY lucky, it somehow motivates DJ and he gets better. Wishful thinking....
I know he has his detractors and I certainly don’t like his arm talent but I found him an intriguing talent. When he’s accurate, his timing is really high level. His WRs would turn around for the ball, and POW it was there. That extra fraction of a second is all important in gaining extra yards. Football is a game of inches.
In the 2nd half, he began missing some throws (only reason the contest didn’t turn into a massive blowout) so that’s an improvement area for sure. If you are a smart low-arm strength passer, then you need to be consistently very accurate to be successful in the NFL.
I came away really curious to see how Tua’s career develops. Also impressed with the coaches designing an offense around his strengths. And Waddle is the bomb.
What was interesting about the Giants? Absolutely nothing,
I have been a Giants fan for 60 years, I remember as a ballboy giving the ball to Francis Asbury and the great kidding of Spyder and Willie. I have been through the hills and valleys but this seems different. I no longer have the G-men passion I have always had, because there was always hope and seeming light at the end of the tunnel. Not anymore. I am not hopeful, short of major IMO changes the team will remain hopeless. The measure of success many say is within ones attitude. I wonder when we will see a dramatic attitude change here. Please forgive my musings, just a frustrated fan who is tired of the losing record and attitude..
with this OL. The OL flat out sucks at run blocking. For this line, you need a Booker.
However, Barkley will give you some very nice return for your money IF the line is halfway decent. I'd rather have a more talented Booker type, but you can live with Barkley's warts if you improve the line.
The line needs improvement, and I have no doubt a lot of effort will go into fixing it. I have doubt about the success of the effort. Still, improve the line, Barkley's style will have success. Whether the line improves enough in the next year or two is another question.
If Barkley continues to struggle behind a crappy line, I can't see a huge second contract for him anywhere. If the line improves and his success goes up, so will his going price. But, if you think he's getting a big deal off his current production, you're delusional.
RE: The issues with Barkley did not just appear this year
Because of the ACL or the ankle. He was always a contact-shy dancer without gap discipline. Always looking for the home run play. His pass protection needed improvement before he got hurt. He never ran or played to his physical size. The injuries are just compounding existent issues.
I dont know what they pay a RB Coach for.
I think the 2018 season people point to (which was a bunch of injuries ago) was also helped a LOT by having Eli back there to line him up.
I would not mind seeing Barkley moved off season for whatever pick they could get saving $7.2 mill . (Feel the same with Jones at this point but this injury may can that idea.)
When we combine this with his pass blocking troubles, how do we get from one of your highest draft grades ever to lacking natural skill/fluidity? Was he the beneficiary of a good/great OL in college and is now exposed by the reality of the NFL?
Good luck Jake Fromm
When we combine this with his pass blocking troubles, how do we get from one of your highest draft grades ever to lacking natural skill/fluidity? Was he the beneficiary of a good/great OL in college and is now exposed by the reality of the NFL?
I don't want to speak for anyone, but I think it's likely that leg injuries have negated his top-end speed and burst. He just isn't the explosive player we drafted. He isn't breaking tackles and bouncing to the outside anymore. I'd like to see the difference in yards after contact since his injury.
Compound that with his inability to block and he is a borderline detriment to the team out there.
Maybe on a better team with a good OL and smarter coaches, before injuries ruined his career, he could have been a highlight film. Or if you're old enough he's early career Rodney Hampton and the Giants need him to be Dan Reeves Rodney Hampton. Not comparing them as players just that young Rodney could cut on a dime and make people miss - probably better than Barkley but not as much top end speed - and Dan Reeves turned him into a between the tackles 4 yards a cloud of astroturf back.
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"Barkley appears to fear contact and lack natural skill/fluidity."
When we combine this with his pass blocking troubles, how do we get from one of your highest draft grades ever to lacking natural skill/fluidity? Was he the beneficiary of a good/great OL in college and is now exposed by the reality of the NFL?
I don't want to speak for anyone, but I think it's likely that leg injuries have negated his top-end speed and burst. He just isn't the explosive player we drafted. He isn't breaking tackles and bouncing to the outside anymore. I'd like to see the difference in yards after contact since his injury.
Compound that with his inability to block and he is a borderline detriment to the team out there.
When he hits the hole he is still explosive. On his two big runs he just out accelerated the defenders - it surprised me.
But he is just not a power runner at all. Sy was right though, since half time last week he has actually made an effort to push the pile.
I think there are teams on which he would be better used and would perform better with a creative coaching staff.
Do we have any indication when Glennon actually sustained the concussion? He seemed to sharply regress as the game went on and I have to believe this had something to do with it.
Watching this game was torture. I openly asked my friends "why are we even doing this?" I guess as Sy said we should focus on the young guys. But watching the game feels more like an obligation/burden than something fun. Part of it is how much I dislike the folks running things, so hopefully that will change next year.
In retrospect our first red flag with him should have been how much he talked about "taking care of his body" to have a long career after we drafted him, there was never any "I'll do what I need to in order to win" talk. Not only did that not workout at all for him, but it gave us a little bit of a snap shot into his mentality.
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but man, he's epitomizing "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane". Charmin soft. 235 lb. backs should be running over DBs, not trying to hurdle them. What a disappointment.
In retrospect our first red flag with him should have been how much he talked about "taking care of his body" to have a long career after we drafted him, there was never any "I'll do what I need to in order to win" talk. Not only did that not workout at all for him, but it gave us a little bit of a snap shot into his mentality.
good points Bitey
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but man, he's epitomizing "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane". Charmin soft. 235 lb. backs should be running over DBs, not trying to hurdle them. What a disappointment.
In retrospect our first red flag with him should have been how much he talked about "taking care of his body" to have a long career after we drafted him, there was never any "I'll do what I need to in order to win" talk. Not only did that not workout at all for him, but it gave us a little bit of a snap shot into his mentality.
good points Bitey
Yeah I don’t think he is long for this team. Should open up trade discussions in the off season, maybe the Jets will want him he can go to the team he grew up rooting for. If they can get a late 1st or early 2nd I’d sell him for sure. He’s just not worth resigning nor is he even worth his current contract, Booker deserves more burn than him for how he plays. Never thought I’d say that. It’s a shame, but you need to know when to cut your loses and move on. Will hurt less considering this is a completely lost year, and the Giants are still likely 3-5 years away especially with the uncertainty around Jones too.
If I’m those players mentioned, any other stater, and even moreso about backups , backups to back ups and PS and offthestreet players, I’m am showcasing that I’m a football player the next 5 weeks because there will be a lot of openings on this team and if I do that I have a chance to come back here next season with an opportunity to get a fresh start and maybe advance, possibly the only place I can advance.
Herandez is done with the Giants at the end of the season. So is Solder. And it looks like they don't have any long-term interest in Peart. Gates also can't be counted on to return next year, and Wilson is an unknown. Lemieux is a backup in all likelihood. After four years of DG, the OL is still a mess.
Not sure what to do about Barkley. I agree with those who say his lower leg injuries may have robbed him of his breakaway speed, but there is no excuse for him being run over or completely whiffing in pass blocking, certainly not in his third year. I'd probably look to trade him, but his value is likely very low right now.
We're closer on defense, but need edge rushers and LBs that can hold the edge on running plays. Our LBs simply don't have enough sideline to sideline speed.
I liked what I saw from Robinson and Williams.
But Barkley has zero football work ethic. Part of his hype was that he was an incomplete player, but thanks to his drive & determination he would turn weaknesses into strengths. He promised he'd work on pass pro, etc.
His pass pro has gotten worse. His inside running has gotten worse. His receiving skills have gotten worse.
There's been no development to any aspect of his game. In fact he's regressed everywhere.
But Barkley has zero football work ethic. Part of his hype was that he was an incomplete player, but thanks to his drive & determination he would turn weaknesses into strengths. He promised he'd work on pass pro, etc.
His pass pro has gotten worse. His inside running has gotten worse. His receiving skills have gotten worse.
There's been no development to any aspect of his game. In fact he's regressed everywhere.
Yeah I agree more or less. I know injuries probably play a part, but he hasn’t developed his game at all as a player. Not sure if it’s him or coaching , or combo of both. But it is fair to say he has regressed, and my confidence that he can be the player we saw his rookie year has flown out the window. I would happily sell him for whatever they can get.
"...the ability to pound the ball with the running game is still the most economic and safest way to play football. NYG won’t ever run the ball without 3, maybe even 4 new starters on this offensive line. I already have some thoughts in relation to how this organization needs to build for 2022 and beyond, but I will let the rest of the year play out first. However, I will say this right now: if this team wants to succeed and get on track, their draft resources noted above need to be thrown into this position group. Over and over."
My Translation:
With the exception of our Left Tackle, for every current starter who starts next season, that is equivalent to 3 losses right off the bat. Should all 4 start, the team is handicapped with 12 losses before the season even begins. Depend upon it.
When we combine this with his pass blocking troubles, how do we get from one of your highest draft grades ever to lacking natural skill/fluidity? Was he the beneficiary of a good/great OL in college and is now exposed by the reality of the NFL?
These are human beings. Some work hard at a constant rate, others do not. Some have intrinsic toughness, others do not. Some have a mental block after injury, some do not.
This cannot be predicted.
I can recite Sy's list of young guys as fast as anyone because it's the key element in responding to: "I don't understand why you'd watch that team every Sunday". Quincy Roche is also on my list.
Do we have any indication when Glennon actually sustained the concussion? He seemed to sharply regress as the game went on and I have to believe this had something to do with it.
I really don't. I didn't go back and look for it.
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"Barkley appears to fear contact and lack natural skill/fluidity."
When we combine this with his pass blocking troubles, how do we get from one of your highest draft grades ever to lacking natural skill/fluidity? Was he the beneficiary of a good/great OL in college and is now exposed by the reality of the NFL?
I don't want to speak for anyone, but I think it's likely that leg injuries have negated his top-end speed and burst. He just isn't the explosive player we drafted. He isn't breaking tackles and bouncing to the outside anymore. I'd like to see the difference in yards after contact since his injury.
Compound that with his inability to block and he is a borderline detriment to the team out there.
A major problem is he does bounce outside too many times (including off the line blocking assignments and run design) to the tackles when he needs to run inside them with more authority. The issue is he doesn’t have same twitch and elusive quickness on the edge and combined with lack of power and physical running at point of attack usually spells the end knell for significant career as a premier back going forward. Everyone knew he wasn’t good at helping with blocking assignments coming out of college but it’s still bad enough that’s a liability. Barkley might be best served going somewhere else as a rotational back to spell a few runs and be an option in passing game/3rd downs.
If I’m those players mentioned, any other stater, and even moreso about backups , backups to back ups and PS and offthestreet players, I’m am showcasing that I’m a football player the next 5 weeks because there will be a lot of openings on this team and if I do that I have a chance to come back here next season with an opportunity to get a fresh start and maybe advance, possibly the only place I can advance.
There aren’t a lot of openings next year for current backups to start on the 2022 Giants because this coaching staff makes up its mind on a player early and doesn’t give the player an opportunity to show more.
Add to that the numerous passes he threw behind receivers that were open - - such as the John Ross play. Based on what I saw, this man has no place being in a starting lineup in the NFL. I don't have any idea of what Fromm can bring, but Glennon was so overmatched by the challenge Fromm cannot be a worse chose. Even Brian Lewerke can do better then Glennon.
My hope is when they jogged off the field and into the runway, Judge told Glennon "son, you have a concussion and can't start next week".
Add to that the numerous passes he threw behind receivers that were open - - such as the John Ross play. Based on what I saw, this man has no place being in a starting lineup in the NFL. I don't have any idea of what Fromm can bring, but Glennon was so overmatched by the challenge Fromm cannot be a worse chose. Even Brian Lewerke can do better then Glennon.
My hope is when they jogged off the field and into the runway, Judge told Glennon "son, you have a concussion and can't start next week".
Meanwhile, Colt McCoy did very well in Arizona when Murray was out.
You're kidding
Great post.
But, I do have. Few thoughts going forward:
1. 100% agree…we need a major upgrade in draft personnel. We have to many duds and not enough studs, especially in rounds 1-3.
2. I think trading Barkley makes sense. He is not any better than a cheaper Booker. That is 7.2 million saved.
3. I hope 2 of our first 3 draft picks are OL.
4. Cut Riley Dixon after the season
5. Hoping Jake Fromm plays well enough to pass Glennon on the pecking order
6. I hope I never read the names Solder and Hernandez on this site next year
But, I do have. Few thoughts going forward:
1. 100% agree…we need a major upgrade in draft personnel. We have to many duds and not enough studs, especially in rounds 1-3.
2. I think trading Barkley makes sense. He is not any better than a cheaper Booker. That is 7.2 million saved.
3. I hope 2 of our first 3 draft picks are OL.
4. Cut Riley Dixon after the season
5. Hoping Jake Fromm plays well enough to pass Glennon on the pecking order
6. I hope I never read the names Solder and Hernandez on this site next year
Sounds like you didn't miss anything
Umm, NO..
A lot of people get a lot of blame for the offense sucking. Is it all of Judge, Garrett, Jones, and Barkley's fault? I'm sure they all have their flaws, but the abysmal offensive line dominates everything else wrong with this team.
If it was me I'd be inclined (if the value is there) to draft offensive linemen with as many as the first 4 or 5 picks. Is there a risk you could wind up with a guy with the talent to start who doesn't have a spot? For one that seems like a low likelihood right now. And for two, until the problem is fixed nothing else really matters on this team. ALL resources should go to the line. Maybe there's room for an edge rusher, but anything else you do on this team is largely wasted without. Nothing else matters and Jones and Barkley and a lot of other people will look a lot better if you fix the line. Not perfect, but better.
I dont know what they pay a RB Coach for.
But, I do have. Few thoughts going forward:
1. 100% agree…we need a major upgrade in draft personnel. We have to many duds and not enough studs, especially in rounds 1-3.
2. I think trading Barkley makes sense. He is not any better than a cheaper Booker. That is 7.2 million saved.
3. I hope 2 of our first 3 draft picks are OL.
4. Cut Riley Dixon after the season
5. Hoping Jake Fromm plays well enough to pass Glennon on the pecking order
6. I hope I never read the names Solder and Hernandez on this site next year
I actaully LOL'd in agreement at #6. Sad. After watching some of Glennon and hearing reviews I don't doubt Fromm could supplant him at #2. Maybe, if we are REALLY lucky, it somehow motivates DJ and he gets better. Wishful thinking....
In the 2nd half, he began missing some throws (only reason the contest didn’t turn into a massive blowout) so that’s an improvement area for sure. If you are a smart low-arm strength passer, then you need to be consistently very accurate to be successful in the NFL.
I came away really curious to see how Tua’s career develops. Also impressed with the coaches designing an offense around his strengths. And Waddle is the bomb.
What was interesting about the Giants? Absolutely nothing,
I don't know, that can be portrayed in so many ways- cap issues, doing a favor to SB, DG's issue etc..
However, Barkley will give you some very nice return for your money IF the line is halfway decent. I'd rather have a more talented Booker type, but you can live with Barkley's warts if you improve the line.
The line needs improvement, and I have no doubt a lot of effort will go into fixing it. I have doubt about the success of the effort. Still, improve the line, Barkley's style will have success. Whether the line improves enough in the next year or two is another question.
If Barkley continues to struggle behind a crappy line, I can't see a huge second contract for him anywhere. If the line improves and his success goes up, so will his going price. But, if you think he's getting a big deal off his current production, you're delusional.
I dont know what they pay a RB Coach for.
I think the 2018 season people point to (which was a bunch of injuries ago) was also helped a LOT by having Eli back there to line him up.
Glenon just stood there like a statue for the pass rusher to just reach over and grab him expecting him to be where he should be.