His draft record with KC (2009-12) is good. He took players like Eric Berry, Tyson Jackson and Dontari Poe with admittedly high firsts. Also selected Rodney Hudson in the 2nd ( a player I wanted for NYG). When he was Asst GM in Atlanta, the lower round picks an AGM would typically have control of we’re a mixed bag but there were successes and the team was a consistent contender.
But a lot of people have reservations. What are they? Why shouldn’t we welcome his being a GM possibility?
That s the extent of what I know about any quarterback f these guys.
My question is this, does Pioli get to hire someone else from the outside to be Asst GM, or is he saddled with Abrams?
Let's get somebody who's qualified and has a plan that's not from 25 years ago. Maybe somebody who isn't 5 years from retirement this time. and most importantly, isn't from within the organization. The giants are guilty of groupthink at this point and need new blood and new ideas.
"In January, Kansas City Star reporter Kent Babb published a piece that interviewed former Chiefs' head coach Todd Haley in which Haley indicated his belief that the team had bugged his personal cell phone.[15] Other employees referenced team security walking the halls of the offices to ensure that office blinds were always drawn during practice to not avoid giving away information, and one fan referenced threats of having personal belongings, like cellular phones, confiscated. Such behaviors were attributed to Pioli's desire to maintain absolute secrecy about the facility.[15]"
it was certainly a while ago and i don't recall specifics but i remember he jettisoned tyler thigpen for matt cassell which was a stupid move IMO.
not sure what he did with atlanta.
He was with Dimitroff in Atlanta. Pioli is now doing the media thing to get another job. Something Reese doesn’t bother doing, give him credit there.
He's probably not awful as a personnel guy. I think the resistance is that he's as "in-house" as possible without literally being in house.
Head Coach: Todd Haley (first time HC, hotshot OC from Pittsburgh)
QB: Traded 34th pick overall to NE for Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel
3rd pick in 2009 draft: DE Tyson Jackson in a weak draft
2009: 4-12
2010: 10-6, AFC West champ
2011: 7-9, fired Todd Haley (quick hook - clearly not based solely on performance)
2012: 2-14, fired
It looks like the big misstep was hiring Haley as coach. There are documented personality issues there.
After a pretty poor draft in 2009 he did well the following two years:
- 2010 - Eric Berry, Dexter McCluster, and Kendrick Lewis
- 2011 - After missing huge on WR Jonathan Baldwin in round 1, he hit huge on three consecutive picks: Rodney Hudson, Justin Houston, and Allen Bailey
From 2014-2019 Pioli was assistant GM in Atlanta, working with Thomas Dimitroff (another guy who figures to be in consideration).
He has played the game and knows the game.
He is not the "bland" choice the Giants have made in the past and would bring some air of freshness to the organization.
He has connections and I think could attract players who in the past may have avoided the Gmen.
Is he a slam dunk, of course not. But, if we are really going to be different take a chance on someone who is CHOMPING at the bit to do the job!
I know this shouldn't be the bar, but either would be a vast improvement over Gettleman.
He has played the game and knows the game.
He is not the "bland" choice the Giants have made in the past and would bring some air of freshness to the organization.
He has connections and I think could attract players who in the past may have avoided the Gmen.
Is he a slam dunk, of course not. But, if we are really going to be different take a chance on someone who is CHOMPING at the bit to do the job!
Riddick would push hard for Pickett if he is the guy. He is high on him.
90% of the work done is unobservable
Personally I wouldn't even bother forming an opinion and being pleased/ upset when they are announced.
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of trying something way different and giving Louis Riddick a shot.
He has played the game and knows the game.
He is not the "bland" choice the Giants have made in the past and would bring some air of freshness to the organization.
He has connections and I think could attract players who in the past may have avoided the Gmen.
Is he a slam dunk, of course not. But, if we are really going to be different take a chance on someone who is CHOMPING at the bit to do the job!
Riddick would push hard for Pickett if he is the guy. He is high on him.
Wasn't Riddick bullish on Barkley and Haskins? I have a hard time getting over that...
I'm not sure that anybody can tell Arthur Blank anything, but I don't feel Dimitroff was successful in this area with regard to the ATL coaching choices or the roster builds. Mike Smith was hell-bent on stopping the run when they should have been building nickel and sub defenses to protect the late game leads their offense was producing during Matt R's prime.
I think the Giants have outdated scouting methodologies, namely when it comes to QB (apparently they had Jones ranked above Murray and also seemed to have no interest in Jackson, for example). Finding someone to implement appropriate systems is critical.
He’s seems better suited as the guy behind the guy — just like Gettleman.
He has played the game and knows the game.
He is not the "bland" choice the Giants have made in the past and would bring some air of freshness to the organization.
He has connections and I think could attract players who in the past may have avoided the Gmen.
Is he a slam dunk, of course not. But, if we are really going to be different take a chance on someone who is CHOMPING at the bit to do the job!
I would've supported this more 3-4 years ago when he was closer to the game. Now? He'd just be a puppet IMO.
The KC work was okay until the 4th year when things got ugly with Haley and the team imploded.
And then he was second fiddle to Dimitrof in ATL. BFD.
Since then? Nothing...
So I'm not convinced he can be the lead and build a winner, especially this Chernobyl situation we have at Jints Central now.
Let's go younger and more outside...
One positive about Pioli is that he’s a long-time vet executive, he’s rich and he can tell the owners to take a hike when pressured on a particular decision because he can likely find another job if the Giants were to fire him.
I think that last point is an important consideration (which is unfortunate, but it is what it is).
A major con of Pioli is apparently some lunatic behavior in KC. If I were to interview Pioli, I would want go over what went down there in some detail to make sure he’d learned from it.
BUT that Banks interview with Pioli makes me suspect he is a very serious inside candidate for the Giants. This may be the one of many discussions of Pioli in BBI’s future.
Btw, Pioli has a track record of unearthing starting level OLs later in the draft.
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of trying something way different and giving Louis Riddick a shot.
He has played the game and knows the game.
He is not the "bland" choice the Giants have made in the past and would bring some air of freshness to the organization.
He has connections and I think could attract players who in the past may have avoided the Gmen.
Is he a slam dunk, of course not. But, if we are really going to be different take a chance on someone who is CHOMPING at the bit to do the job!
Riddick would push hard for Pickett if he is the guy. He is high on him.
Wasn't Riddick bullish on Barkley and Haskins? I have a hard time getting over that...
It happens and SY (no offense to him at all) was bullish on Rosen.
Ravens have done a nice job, the COLTS have done a great job- look at their Oline (Nelson, Smith) add in Leonard on defense.. They have done a great job retooling..
LOL, some of them. Dodds from Indy is my guy but I understand that I don't have the full picture here so I'm not even that picky. I just see the Giants problem the same as some of those old European Royal families - they've married inside the family so much that the offspring has a jaw shaped like a zeppelin and can't stop drooling on itself. They need to go outside - the further the better.
I would add the 49ers to this. Notice, too, the other key factor those organization have? Quality coaching.
* Get feedback from others and interviews who are the more forward thinking guys on the list.
* Narrow it down to 2-3 names.
And then call Ernie Accorsi and go with what he says...
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of trying something way different and giving Louis Riddick a shot.
He has played the game and knows the game.
He is not the "bland" choice the Giants have made in the past and would bring some air of freshness to the organization.
He has connections and I think could attract players who in the past may have avoided the Gmen.
Is he a slam dunk, of course not. But, if we are really going to be different take a chance on someone who is CHOMPING at the bit to do the job!
Riddick would push hard for Pickett if he is the guy. He is high on him.
Wasn't Riddick bullish on Barkley and Haskins? I have a hard time getting over that...
It happens and SY (no offense to him at all) was bullish on Rosen.
I liked Rosen too, not as much as Josh Allen, bit Rosen was my #2 QB.
My question is this, does Pioli get to hire someone else from the outside to be Asst GM, or is he saddled with Abrams?
Yeah this is my take also. This is about as outside as the Giants would normally go
it was certainly a while ago and i don't recall specifics but i remember he jettisoned tyler thigpen for matt cassell which was a stupid move IMO.
not sure what he did with atlanta.
Tyler Thigpen won ONE (1) game in his NFL career. I'm not sure how anyone can consider replacing him a "stupid move" in any way.
Then, you have everyone else with no track record at all as a GM. There is no way to know who the next John Lynch is.
I am not a John Mara fan AT ALL. The guy is THE problem right now. We also want him to choose a GM that is currently NOT inside of our organization. No matter who he selects, there will be some serious criticism... because there is no clear answer here.
None of us know who "the guy" is. Nobody in these threads is even pretending. All we see are people posting who they DONT want.
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of trying something way different and giving Louis Riddick a shot.
He has played the game and knows the game.
He is not the "bland" choice the Giants have made in the past and would bring some air of freshness to the organization.
He has connections and I think could attract players who in the past may have avoided the Gmen.
Is he a slam dunk, of course not. But, if we are really going to be different take a chance on someone who is CHOMPING at the bit to do the job!
Riddick would push hard for Pickett if he is the guy. He is high on him.
Wasn't Riddick bullish on Barkley and Haskins? I have a hard time getting over that...
George Young drafted Cedric Jones and Thomas Lewis in the first round.
I'm not necessarily a Riddick supporter, but I don't think any GM candidate (especially a talking head) can be held to a 1.000 record.
That said, if Mara is dead set on a TV personality, I'd prefer Daniel Jeremiah.
That said, if Mara is dead set on a TV personality, I'd prefer Daniel Jeremiah.
That's a very interesting and good call. Jeremiah is very impressive. He was the only analyst I know touting Slater over Sewell as the best OL prospect...
Instead, what I want to see is an interview short list for the GM spot where every candidate looks like a well-qualified expert with substantial personnel experience with a successful franchise either as GM or an Asst GM/equiv position, where your reaction is that they are a sensible name and likely have the capacity to do the job well.
Compare that with the shambolic 2018 short list, which had DG and three other names which were jokes (the broadcaster, Ross and Abrams). DG was the only true viable candidate. The result - which has been disastrous - was baked into the cake when Accorsi helped Mara set up the short list. If DG had faced reasonable competition - say from other Asst GMs or former GMs from high performing front offices - it would have been difficult to support hiring him. His track record with Carolina was ok but not outstanding, he was old and not up to speed on cutting edge NFL thinking, and he is inarticulate.
That’s what I think should happen. Will that result in us hiring the next Bill Walsh? Absolutely not, but it will help prevent the next decade of this franchise from mirroring the last decade.
Pioli isn’t perfect and isn’t my ideal choice, but he does meet the criteria and isn’t a laughable Giants GM candidate.
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That said, if Mara is dead set on a TV personality, I'd prefer Daniel Jeremiah.
That's a very interesting and good call. Jeremiah is very impressive. He was the only analyst I know touting Slater over Sewell as the best OL prospect...