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| 6. NEW YORK GIANTS (VIA CHICAGO): EDGE GEORGE KARLAFTIS, PURDUE Karlaftis was one of the most consistent edge-rushers in the country this past season, finishing with a 90.6 pass-rushing grade. He’s got inside-outside versatility and a motor that won’t quit. At 275 pounds, he’d be a decidedly different kind of edge rusher across from the speedier Azeez Ojulari. |
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| 7. NEW YORK GIANTS: OT CHARLES CROSS, MISSISSIPPI STATE The Giants need pass protection in any way, shape or form they can get it. Cross can bring that to the tackle position when Nate Solder moves on. He allowed only 16 pressures on a ridiculous 719 pass-blocking snaps this season. |
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LT - Thomas
LG - Wilson
C - Linderbaum
RG- Kinnard
RT - Cross
settle this for once, the defense is good enough to pass on the edge for now.
Karlaftis has 4.5...I get there are more thing to pass rushing but getting home is a big factor.
Other guys we should be looking at along with OL should be
LB DEVIN LLOYD, UTAH (I see a lot of Micah Parsons in his game)
EDGE DAVID OJABO, MICHIGAN - late riser because this is his only year of production but he has the size, spped, and strength and production this year.
LT - Thomas
LG - Wilson
C - Linderbaum
RG- Kinnard
RT - Cross
settle this for once, the defense is good enough to pass on the edge for now.
Thing with Linderbaum is that many mock drafts have him mocked in the teens mainly for positional value. So picking him at like 7 may be a reach, for a center. A trade back would work and grab him around 11-12.
I would go for more of a project edge rusher in the 2nd rnd just so we got the premium picks carved out for the o-line. Even with 2 new first rnd starters our line will have holes in it because we have to replace 4 out 5 starters as it stands. And Gates may never be the same.
But, man do I want Neal on this team - young Pro Bowl type bookends (Thomas & Neal) - that would be the end of our seemingly unending nightmare.
Who do you like? Corral? Willis? Pickett? Someone else?
But, man do I want Neal on this team - young Pro Bowl type bookends (Thomas & Neal) - that would be the end of our seemingly unending nightmare.
We have to hope a team trades with the Jets for a QB and the Jets pick a SB or Hamilton with their next pick for us to get Neal. Pff has him going to the Jets at 4.
I hope not. This team needs a OLine before they throw yet another high draft pick QB into the mix. He'd have the same problem Jones has, no OLine to protect him. Fix the OLine first!!
Personally I think we are almost setting any QB up for failure because the pieces in place around the QB isn't very good, the OL being the obvious one but at some point the QB has to make things happen in spite of what's around him and that's not something that's been happening here lately.
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The odds of them selecting a quarterback increase by the day.
Who do you like? Corral? Willis? Pickett? Someone else?
I like Corral best. Live arm, quick release, mobile, tough...to me he looks the part. Willis is obviously very physically talented, but I would want to run an offense that features his running ability. If we fired Judge and hired Greg Roman he might make sense.
Pickett scares me a little on two fronts. First, he wasn't particularly productive until this year. Second, the hand size thing bugs me, I can't lie.
I've got to catch up on Ridder, and I like Malik Cunningham from Louisville.
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The odds of them selecting a quarterback increase by the day.
Who do you like? Corral? Willis? Pickett? Someone else?
I like Corral best. Live arm, quick release, mobile, tough...to me he looks the part. Willis is obviously very physically talented, but I would want to run an offense that features his running ability. If we fired Judge and hired Greg Roman he might make sense.
Pickett scares me a little on two fronts. First, he wasn't particularly productive until this year. Second, the hand size thing bugs me, I can't lie.
I've got to catch up on Ridder, and I like Malik Cunningham from Louisville.
I hope we don't go QB this year for the simple fact that again we would be drafting a QB in a weak QB class. The year to have taken one was in 2018, 2020 and 2021. We took one in 2019 where the best QB was already taken. I say ride Jones for 1 more year, and draft an actual good prospect like Stroud, Young or whoever in 2023
Why not? lol
It there's no QB worthy of taking, you don't take him.
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Building the OL and then getting the QB is not a thing. It doesn't work that way.
Why not? lol
It there's no QB worthy of taking, you don't take him.
That's true about not reaching for a quarterback, but you don't intentionally wait for the OL to be built before pursuing the quarterback. NFL timelines don't work that way.
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Building the OL and then getting the QB is not a thing. It doesn't work that way.
Why not? lol
It there's no QB worthy of taking, you don't take him.
That's true about not reaching for a quarterback, but you don't intentionally wait for the OL to be built before pursuing the quarterback. NFL timelines don't work that way.
You don't pass on a generational QB just because we have other needs. If the Giants had the first pick last year, they would take Lawrence no questions asked because you don't pass those guys up. However you don't draft a QB just to take one or force one. Thats what the Bears did with Fields, Giants with Jones ect...
It will be real disappointing to continue on the path with a rookie QB with an OL that is a disaster.
Make no mistake, we really need 4 starters on the OL. But again if the guy isnt there dont force it. We dont know what we have in Gates post injury. We need a pass rusher and there are a few we can grab. I think there will be an OL and a ER available to us that can overhaul this team. We can get some interior OL later.
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I’d rather just draft a tackle and the center, and then draft a guard in the second. Maybe we can have a line with
LT - Thomas
LG - Wilson
C - Linderbaum
RG- Kinnard
RT - Cross
settle this for once, the defense is good enough to pass on the edge for now.
Thing with Linderbaum is that many mock drafts have him mocked in the teens mainly for positional value. So picking him at like 7 may be a reach, for a center. A trade back would work and grab him around 11-12.
If you think this guy is the goods and can anchor an offensive line at the point of attack, you take him at 7. Reaching isn't the worst thing in the world if you get the pick right.
It will be real disappointing to continue on the path with a rookie QB with an OL that is a disaster.
Make no mistake, we really need 4 starters on the OL. But again if the guy isnt there dont force it. We dont know what we have in Gates post injury. We need a pass rusher and there are a few we can grab. I think there will be an OL and a ER available to us that can overhaul this team. We can get some interior OL later.
So you're saying to draft for need.
And if they want to get some extra picks, trade the 2nd of their 1st round picks for either an extra #1 next year or an additional #2 and more this year. They got the Bears #1 next year moving down 10 places from #11. They would get at least next years #1 plus some additional picks this year for the #5 or #6 pick.
The new GM will need to figure out whether the players available at #5 and #6 are worth the pick or if moving back for a spot mid-range would be better value plus the additional picks.
I would go OL with our high first and look toward Edge with the 2nd 1st rounder. Add OL and LB in round 2.
We have 2 3rd round picks so if they want to take a flyer on a QB there that would be fine.
He just doesnt have the it factor. On an allstar team he can win but we are sooooo far from that point.
So even if you think a QB is worth the 15th pick, if you have the 10th pick, you don't mess around, you take them at 10. That is positional value / Need / BPA all rolled into one.
Same with OLine, if you have a guy ranked 15th, taking them at 10 isn't going to make a difference unless there was a guy you had ranked 6th that fell to 10. 6 to 15 to great a differential. But 10 to 15 nah, take the need/positional value.
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Dont force a pick. Dont draft for need. We currently have 2 top 10 picks, this draft can change the dynamic of this team. Its not a time to gamble. There are some true game changers in this draft and we will have our shot to get 2 of them.
It will be real disappointing to continue on the path with a rookie QB with an OL that is a disaster.
Make no mistake, we really need 4 starters on the OL. But again if the guy isnt there dont force it. We dont know what we have in Gates post injury. We need a pass rusher and there are a few we can grab. I think there will be an OL and a ER available to us that can overhaul this team. We can get some interior OL later.
So you're saying to draft for need.
BPA was how we got a God-touched running back like Saquon.
Clearly people here DO want to pick for need. The thing is there the Giants have needs everywhere.
Clearly people here DO want to pick for need. The thing is there the Giants have needs everywhere.
We didn't need a running back in the first round, yet we drafted him.
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Had we drafted the best player in that draft we'd have ended up with Lamar Jackson.
Clearly people here DO want to pick for need. The thing is there the Giants have needs everywhere.
We didn't need a running back in the first round, yet we drafted him.
That's because our GM is a moron. Not only was it a terrible resource allocation at a completely fungible position, but the player wasn't particularly good either.
Which Michigan kid? Ojabo? He barely played last year (his first year). And this year he popped.
He has a very high ceiling.
I would go for more of a project edge rusher in the 2nd rnd just so we got the premium picks carved out for the o-line. Even with 2 new first rnd starters our line will have holes in it because we have to replace 4 out 5 starters as it stands. And Gates may never be the same.
Nevertheless, they should make the O better, both in run and in pass pro, hopefully in run blocking. Even with all DGs screwups, and even with all their injury downtime, there are weapons here that with another 1/2 second of block maintenance , or pass protection where receivers have time to make their cuts, get open, so that DJ/ whoever has a better opportunity to get the pass off and get the pass to them, can have sustained drives, maybe even find a way to break the red zone mental block.
On another note, lots of BBIers were touting Carolina when they snagged JoeBrady. Maybe he’d be a better fit as OC here.
Clearly people here DO want to pick for need. The thing is there the Giants have needs everywhere.
You touting the latest QB you’re dick riding this month just because you want a QB is no different. In fact it’s worse because the Giants will be selecting an inferior talent relative to who’s available if they force a QB in this draft.
Please draft the BPA with our first 2 picks. If it happens to be a QB well done but don't reach because of need.
I happen to like the idea of drafting Ridder in the second round. I need to do a little more homework on him at this time.
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Had we drafted the best player in that draft we'd have ended up with Lamar Jackson.
Clearly people here DO want to pick for need. The thing is there the Giants have needs everywhere.
We didn't need a running back in the first round, yet we drafted him.
That's because our GM is a moron. Not only was it a terrible resource allocation at a completely fungible position, but the player wasn't particularly good either.
LOL - now you're trying to say Barkley wasn't good in college? He should not have been the 2nd pick, but come the fuck on - he was a TERRIFIC college player. In three years had over 5,000 total yards from scrimmage and 50+ TD's
The depths you will go to defend your narrative...
Oh, and Lamar Jackson rushed for more yards and more TDs in college on fewer carries. As a quarterback.
The excuses and rationalizations...those were the narrative.
If you're talking about Lorenzo Carter you're kidding yourself.
As far as 3-4 and 4-3 is concerned, the Giants use a 4-2 nickel defense quite a lot, but the problem is that the edge rushers aren't built to set the edge in the run game or get past the offensive linemen on passing downs (that is if they're trying to). Either we double-down on 3-4 which means getting a 3-4 DE who can also play DT and moving Dexter Lawrence to NT (which the Giants seem adverse to) or we go for a 4-3 DE who can hold up against the run.
No one wants to force a pick. Giants need difference makers and they need them at some of the most critical positions.
Giants have an awful OL, bad pass rush, and a QB who isn't a difference maker. If you think a QB is a difference maker (top ten) of course you take him regardless of the situation around him. But you can snag a vet in the 10-20 range for less than a first, so you need the conviction he's a top ten talent. QBR is a flawed stat but you look at the linked rankings and a few guys in the 10-20 range could be available in the offseason.
I also can't see any NFL team filling 4 OL spots with rookies, I think at most you bring in two early selections and a mid-round developmental guy. Need an FA to solidify things, but plenty of overpaid salaries to cut on this team.
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I would stick with a 3-4 and look for two OL. 3-4 ERs are easier to find than 4-3 ERs, heck we kind of have two young pieces already and there's the likes of Markus Golden hanging around in FA.
If you're talking about Lorenzo Carter you're kidding yourself.
As far as 3-4 and 4-3 is concerned, the Giants use a 4-2 nickel defense quite a lot, but the problem is that the edge rushers aren't built to set the edge in the run game or get past the offensive linemen on passing downs (that is if they're trying to). Either we double-down on 3-4 which means getting a 3-4 DE who can also play DT and moving Dexter Lawrence to NT (which the Giants seem adverse to) or we go for a 4-3 DE who can hold up against the run.
Oluzari and Roche, kind of sort of as I mentioned.
Oh, and Lamar Jackson rushed for more yards and more TDs in college on fewer carries. As a quarterback.
Yet even the Ravens themselves drafted Hayden Hurst over Lamar...
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Barkley didn't like contact, he danced too much, and he didn't give a shit about blocking.
Oh, and Lamar Jackson rushed for more yards and more TDs in college on fewer carries. As a quarterback.
Yet even the Ravens themselves drafted Hayden Hurst over Lamar...
Yup. And that was stupid.