Is Joe Judge the worst coach in the league?

but yeah, i get your point I can't see any fanbase, even ones desperate to get rid of their coach such as the Bears, trading their unwanted coach for Judge.

and I don't think it's close.

which is saying something given sirianni and mccarthy are in the divison. i know the lions record is terrible but i'd rather have dan campbell as our HC than judge.

i think he's bottom 3. we've seen this story with three coaches now. somewhat promising first season, then get noticeably worse the second season with the wheels all but falling off.

mara can't pick coaches to save his life.

sure.

He’s close, but not the worst

Urban Meyer
Dan Campbell
David Culley

Possibly Robert Saleh

All worse

Judge is close though

if were talking gameday management. Yes he is the worst. The stats back it up. But alot of coaching goes on away from the fans eyes and we still dont know how bad Judge is behind the scenes.

The one constant is the longer a coach stays on the giants the worse he gets. Which points to something deeply wrong within the org. That will probably never leave unless the team is sold or the nfl steps in.

says he's up there. But not the worst. I don't think any of the other crappy teams would want him simply because they already know what suck looks like. Winning another game or two does nothing for them.

And obviously fans of winning or middling teams won't want him, cause well, he sucks!!

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Definitely one of the top 5 finalist for the Turd HC of the NFL honors.

head coach the worst in the league with not even 2 seasons under his belt is one of the stupidest fucking things I've read on this board.

Seriously Giants fans used to be a higher level fan, you're all just Jets fans now in Giants clothing.

embarrassment.

In comment 15485575 allstarjim said:

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Nagy's resume looks like Vince Lombardi's compared to Joe Judge. He won 12 games with Trubisky.

Listen I'm just trying to say he's in contention for worst in the league. Don't the Giants expect better? Can't they find anyone better or qualified for that matter?

Said it about a guy who left us and went headcochin' in Cleveland.
Maybe he's learning on the job. Maybe he'll be great at his next stop and we'll never get a thank you.
People speak with certainties, never recognize the human part of the equation.
A great coach can lose it, a bad coach learn and become great. I think judge shows signs of being a leader, time outside and strategy can be learned, leadership might be unlearnable.

In comment 15485593 Rory said:

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head coach the worst in the league with not even 2 seasons under his belt is one of the stupidest fucking things I've read on this board. Seriously Giants fans used to be a higher level fan, you're all just Jets fans now in Giants clothing. embarrassment.

Have you watched his teams play the last 2 years? Have you watched him coach?

Exactly how much time do you need to evaluate him?

Which coaches are underperforming their perceived talent?

I would say the Giants and Bears are underperforming perceived talent maybe Seattle, Cleveland, and Minnesota also.

New York Jets, Houston Texans, Jacksonville Jaguars, and Detroit Lions are right where the talent on the team says they should be.

Said it about a guy who left us and went headcochin' in Cleveland.
Maybe he's learning on the job. Maybe he'll be great at his next stop and we'll never get a thank you.
People speak with certainties, never recognize the human part of the equation.
A great coach can lose it, a bad coach learn and become great. I think judge shows signs of being a leader, time outs and strategy can be learned, leadership - maybe not.

In comment 15485593 Rory said:
[quote] head coach the worst in the league with not even 2 seasons under his belt is one of the stupidest fucking things I've read on this board.

Seriously Giants fans used to be a higher level fan, you're all just Jets fans now in Giants clothing.

embarrassment. I couldn't agree more.

You are what your record is.

Joe Judge is an absolute shitshow!

In comment 15485593 Rory said:

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head coach the worst in the league with not even 2 seasons under his belt is one of the stupidest fucking things I've read on this board. Seriously Giants fans used to be a higher level fan, you're all just Jets fans now in Giants clothing. embarrassment.

Giants fans were never a higher level fan. Every fan base says that about themselves, and they are all wrong. Cheering for a certain team does not imbue individuals with more class or dignity.

... but we are better than this as a fan base. Stability does matter and there have been encouraging moments. I thought his clock management last year was good - this year, he's regressed. We need a new QB, a new GM, a new OC, new everything - stability at HC is key to me.

He is, but it’s not independent of the talent he’s got either. When Toney, Shep, Golladay, EE, half the OL, and now DJ are out, there’s a fallout from that. We’re not deep to start with and playing this buncha jags isn’t helping.

Banks told the story of hearing Parcells say to his assistants frequently “you MFers are not getting me fired…” I think JJ better get the bull by the horns, get guys off scholarship, and start lighting a fire. After almost getting canned his first year, Parcells decided if he’s going, he’s going out doing things HIS way. I think JJ better start thinking like that. Solder sucks, put Peart on the field to sink or swim. Challenge him. Make these guys less comfortable.

talks out his ass alot with zero improvement anywhere...I would say he is not there yet but is already in the discussion.

Is there anything anyone can point to? Because I honestly cannot think of a single thing about him as a coach that you can point to and say...well at least he does that well, he can build off that.

There's nothing.

He has a lot to learn before he’s any good, if and when that happens.

In comment 15485620 Mike from Ohio said:

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In comment 15485593 Rory said: Quote: head coach the worst in the league with not even 2 seasons under his belt is one of the stupidest fucking things I've read on this board. Seriously Giants fans used to be a higher level fan, you're all just Jets fans now in Giants clothing. embarrassment. Giants fans were never a higher level fan. Every fan base says that about themselves, and they are all wrong. Cheering for a certain team does not imbue individuals with more class or dignity.

I'm not sure about that, stability within the organization was always something that had importance to Giants fans where some of the other struggling franchises could not show the patience needed to rebuild a winning franchise properly.

But now we just want to tear it all down every year because the high hopeful expectations were not meant and we now cant show patience.

Lets be honest the season was lost when we lost 3/5 of a average offensive line and Barkley re-injured himself.

I guarantee if we truly do tear it all down again we will be having these conversations again in 2 years.

In comment 15485622 Daniel in MI said:

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He is, but it’s not independent of the talent he’s got either. When Toney, Shep, Golladay, EE, half the OL, and now DJ are out, there’s a fallout from that. We’re not deep to start with and playing this buncha jags isn’t helping. Banks told the story of hearing Parcells say to his assistants frequently “you MFers are not getting me fired…” I think JJ better get the bull by the horns, get guys off scholarship, and start lighting a fire. After almost getting canned his first year, Parcells decided if he’s going, he’s going out doing things HIS way. I think JJ better start thinking like that. Solder sucks, put Peart on the field to sink or swim. Challenge him. Make these guys less comfortable.

exactly. at this point everyone should be off scholarship - assistant coaches and players. if Barkley won't block, sit him until he proves in practice that he can block. if hernandez sucks then sit him. send a frickin message. if you suck you sit. we're going to lose anyway, start building a meritocracy. it will pay off down the road. the team is an undisciplined mess.

It was posed for HC openings. I was thinking that would almost certainly be no, but what about other positions? He was never a coordinator on either side of the ball. Is his only option going back to a ST coordinator?

daniel jones the worst qb in the league?

would like a word. Is Judge a good head coach? No but there are also bad head coaches who have had worst records than Judge the past 2 years.

In comment 15485645 NotIraInSI said:

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daniel jones the worst qb in the league?

He's not close to the worst. But, he's not close to the best either.

But he is a clown.

In comment 15485622 Daniel in MI said:

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He is, but it’s not independent of the talent he’s got either. When Toney, Shep, Golladay, EE, half the OL, and now DJ are out, there’s a fallout from that. We’re not deep to start with and playing this buncha jags isn’t helping. Banks told the story of hearing Parcells say to his assistants frequently “you MFers are not getting me fired…” I think JJ better get the bull by the horns, get guys off scholarship, and start lighting a fire. After almost getting canned his first year, Parcells decided if he’s going, he’s going out doing things HIS way. I think JJ better start thinking like that. Solder sucks, put Peart on the field to sink or swim. Challenge him. Make these guys less comfortable.

He ain’t no Parcells.

In comment 15485596 TyreeHelmet said:

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In comment 15485575 allstarjim said: Quote: . Nagy's resume looks like Vince Lombardi's compared to Joe Judge. He won 12 games with Trubisky. Listen I'm just trying to say he's in contention for worst in the league. Don't the Giants expect better? Can't they find anyone better or qualified for that matter?

Nagy, an offensive coach, won that year thanks to Vic Fangio. Number one scoring defense in the NFL that year.

Nagy is terrible. Judge is not a bad coach. You need players to win. DG has poisoned the team, and you expect miracles from Judge. That's not how it works.

This team makes on the field like they are never properly prepared. Meanwhile JJ is preaching about fundys and being prepared.
Something is disconnected somewhere.
I get that DG has built a shit team...but at least 2 of the games this year were lost due to coaching incompetence.

if he fires joe then he will be paying 3 head coaches. that's a lot of coin.

In comment 15485682 NotIraInSI said:

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if he fires joe then he will be paying 3 head coaches. that's a lot of coin.

So, it's better to continue employing someone who can't do the job?

In comment 15485650 shadow_spinner0 said:

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would like a word. Is Judge a good head coach? No but there are also bad head coaches who have had worst records than Judge the past 2 years.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but of the current coaches employed last season and this year, he is tied with Rhule for the worse record at 10-18.

I don't think the Jets or Lions would trade their coaches for Judge either.

People can blame injuries and the roster all they want. The bottom line is he hasn't won. And honestly he's had 3 "good" wins in 2 seasons, and that's being generous.

I hope he turns it around and becomes a great coach. But what specifically does he or has shown you to even consider it? He makes in game blunders that a low level college coach shouldn't make.

In comment 15485689 Matt M. said:

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In comment 15485682 NotIraInSI said: Quote: if he fires joe then he will be paying 3 head coaches. that's a lot of coin. So, it's better to continue employing someone who can't do the job?

money always is a factor,always.plus staff.

In comment 15485682 NotIraInSI said:

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if he fires joe then he will be paying 3 head coaches. that's a lot of coin.

mcadoo is paid off. shurmur will be after this season.

Urban Meyer - Definitely the worst coach in the NFL
David Culley
Mike McCarthey - Does he actually do anything? The OC and DC are really good though
Matt Nagy
Pete Carrol

Pros:

Players seem to like him
He seems to understand a good defense
He seems organized and can fulfil a CEO-esque function

Cons:

He seems to have absolutely no idea what constitutes a good offense
His in-game management is definitely bottom of the league
He's spoken a lot about player development, but I'm not sure we've seen it yet
He seems rigid in his ways and he seems unwilling to learn from his mistakes.

In comment 15485712 AdamBrag said:

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Urban Meyer - Definitely the worst coach in the NFL David Culley Mike McCarthey - Does he actually do anything? The OC and DC are really good though Matt Nagy Pete Carrol

pete carrol.really? he will be in the hall of fame.mike mac has won a lot. nagy won 12 games with mitch.meyer give him more time then lets see.

according to BBI, we have the worst coach in the league, we had the worst offensive coordinator in the league, we have the worst GM in the league.

But ya know what, I kind of think it's the players. Did changing coordinators magically make things better? Don't think so. would a different coach make a big difference. Uh, maybe. Is calling timeouts at the right time going to fix what's wrong with the Giants?

There's lots of problems here, but the biggest issue is the players. I don't think Bill Belichick couldn't make these guys winners. Yeah, maybe they'd win a few more games, but don't kid yourself. They need an offensive line and that would go a heck of a long way toward fixing everything else.

In comment 15485712 AdamBrag said:

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Urban Meyer - Definitely the worst coach in the NFL David Culley Mike McCarthey - Does he actually do anything? The OC and DC are really good though Matt Nagy Pete Carrol

You think Pete Carrol is a worse coach than Joe Judge?

In comment 15485749 TyreeHelmet said:

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In comment 15485712 AdamBrag said: Quote: Urban Meyer - Definitely the worst coach in the NFL David Culley Mike McCarthey - Does he actually do anything? The OC and DC are really good though Matt Nagy Pete Carrol You think Pete Carrol is a worse coach than Joe Judge?

Pete Carrol might be the 2nd worst coach in the NFL. He has a top 5 QB, great WRs and consistently can't produce offense.

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and I don't think it's close.

100% agreement.

In comment 15485597 Grizz99 said:

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Said it about a guy who left us and went headcochin' in Cleveland. Maybe he's learning on the job. Maybe he'll be great at his next stop and we'll never get a thank you. People speak with certainties, never recognize the human part of the equation. A great coach can lose it, a bad coach learn and become great. I think judge shows signs of being a leader, time outside and strategy can be learned, leadership might be unlearnable.

The mythology surrounding Belichik is curious. Never was he described as "worst coach in the league" and his record in Cleveland has been serially misrepresented here. He took over a team that had gone 3-13 the year before and doubled the win count to 6. The following year, the Browns won 7 games and were .500 in December when they lost 3 out of their last 4 by a grand total of 12 points. The following year, they went 7-9 again being over .500 in early December before losing their last 3. The following year, they went 11-5 and made the playoffs. The year after that was a total meltdown amid rumors that Modell was moving the team and the team did move- in the middle of the night.

So, there was immediate improvement in the record and the point differential despite taking over a disaster and having a totally unsettled qb situation. Any resemblance between early Lil Bill and the yo-you we are running out there is purely coincidental.

NYG is a bottom five organization, top to bottom. Bottom 10 if you want to bput all your hopes on the injuries truly be the issue rather than an org full of poor performers.

Zero redeeming qualities. No sense of a game. Can’t game plan. Makes zero adjustments. Makes players worse not better. Not sure if you can find a worst coach. Would probably suck even as a pee wee or HS coach. Shows no promise at all.

In comment 15485763 JonC said:

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NYG is a bottom five organization, top to bottom. Bottom 10 if you want to bput all your hopes on the injuries truly be the issue rather than an org full of poor performers.

throw in the josh brown fiasco the equipment guys selling fake gameday jerseys scandal and the current hostile workplace lawsuit.today they are definitely bottom 2.

looks like we are going by teams record and not really the coach.....let Bill coach the Lions next year and he'll be in the bottom tier...and BBI calling for his head!!!!