[quote]In the past two weeks alone, sources say:
Receiver Marvin Jones -- one of the locker room's most respected and mild-mannered veterans -- became so angry with Meyer's public and private criticism of the receiver group that he left the facility until other staff members convinced him to come back and had a heated argument with Meyer during practice.
During a staff meeting, Meyer delivered a biting message that he's a winner and his assistant coaches are losers, according to several people informed of the contents of the meeting, challenging each coach individually to explain when they've ever won and forcing them to defend their résumés.
Contrary to his public statements that it was injury-related, Meyer ordered Robinson's benching after an opening-drive fumble in last week's 37-7 road loss to the Rams, then had running backs coach Bernie Parmalee stop Robinson from re-entering the game, insisting Carlos Hyde (who played for Meyer at Ohio State) stay in. Only after Lawrence questioned Meyer on the sideline about Robinson's absence was Robinson allowed to return late in the second quarter. (Speaking to reporters this week, Lawrence said: "Bottom line is James is one of our best players and he's got to be on the field and we addressed it, and I feel like we're in a good spot and the whole team, we're good.")
Several Jaguars players vented their frustration to Rams players after that game, sources say, reiterating a common complaint that Meyer -- who had no prior NFL experience -- doesn't treat them like adults. And the staff meeting follows a pattern of tense interactions between Meyer and his assistants dating back to the offseason. After opening the preseason with consecutive losses, for instance, sources say Meyer informed assistants that he was sick of being embarrassed and if the team didn't start winning immediately, some of them wouldn't be around for a second year.
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Really? Jimmy Johnson, Coughlin, and Carroll did pretty damn well. Harbaugh did well. Dick Vermeil, too.
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College coaches rarely make it in the NFL. Saban is a classic example. And all this is terrible for Trevor Lawrence.
Really? Jimmy Johnson, Coughlin, and Carroll did pretty damn well. Harbaugh did well. Dick Vermeil, too.
You can name a lot of failures too.
Really? Jimmy Johnson, Coughlin, and Carroll did pretty damn well. Harbaugh did well. Dick Vermeil, too.
You can name a lot of failures too.
Agreed. I just objected to the word "rarely".
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This is true, but there are some college coaches who can recruit and are terrific at the x's and o's as well. Urban Meyer and Dabo Swinney are the poster children for the recruiting first coaches who either overwhelm their opponents with talent or hire terrific coordinators.
Are you back to being fucking asshole again?
Get a life
I think it's just Meyer being Meyer, but the result may be the same.
The craziest part about this Urban Meyer foolishness is that he really didn’t want to coach again, but ego and MONEY changed his mind. Now he’s miserable and unlike in college, he’s miserable and LOSING.
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College coaches rarely make it in the NFL. Saban is a classic example. And all this is terrible for Trevor Lawrence.
Really? Jimmy Johnson, Coughlin, and Carroll did pretty damn well. Harbaugh did well. Dick Vermeil, too.
Jimmy Johnson is the only coach who was largely a college coach before he went to the NFL. The others (Coughlin, Carroll, Harbaugh) had more experience in the NFL. Harbaugh went back to college when the NFL got too tough for him in San Francisco
Coughlin was a longtime NFL assistant before spending a couple of years with Boston College, so he was largely an NFL coach
Dick Vermeil was a head coach at UCLA for two years before going to the Eagles in 1976, then got his ass kicked in the NFL for his first 3 years before the Eagles improved. Then he quit the Eagles because he couldn't handle the rigors of the NFL, and took a long hiatus from coaching before returning with the Rams. When Vermeil won the Super Bowl with the Rams he was considered an NFL coach, not a college coach
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College coaches rarely make it in the NFL. Saban is a classic example. And all this is terrible for Trevor Lawrence.
Really? Jimmy Johnson, Coughlin, and Carroll did pretty damn well. Harbaugh did well. Dick Vermeil, too.
Jimmy Johnson is the only coach who was largely a college coach before he went to the NFL. The others (Coughlin, Carroll, Harbaugh) had more experience in the NFL. Harbaugh went back to college when the NFL got too tough for him in San Francisco
Harbaugh started off at San Diego State and then went to Stanford before he went to the 9ers.
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College coaches rarely make it in the NFL. Saban is a classic example. And all this is terrible for Trevor Lawrence.
Really? Jimmy Johnson, Coughlin, and Carroll did pretty damn well. Harbaugh did well. Dick Vermeil, too.
Jimmy Johnson is the only coach who was largely a college coach before he went to the NFL. The others (Coughlin, Carroll, Harbaugh) had more experience in the NFL. Harbaugh went back to college when the NFL got too tough for him in San Francisco
Harbaugh started off at San Diego State and then went to Stanford before he went to the 9ers.
The rigors of coaching in the NFL were too much for Harbaugh. His 49ers team was initially successful but started to fall apart before he left for Michigan. His NFL record is OK but no better than Jim Fassel's, for example
The rigors of coaching in the NFL were too much for Harbaugh. His 49ers team was initially successful but started to fall apart before he left for Michigan. His NFL record is OK but no better than Jim Fassel's, for example
No it wasn't. He and Baalke couldn't get along. So ownership sided with Baalke and fired Harbaugh.
And as a reminder, Harbaugh got to a SB and lost to the Ravens and his brother. He was having success.
Sus.
A hit piece? That would mean that what Jones said/did didn’t happen, or that players post game weren’t actually complaining about Meyer. I find that to be close to impossible given Meyers track record.
Plenty of teams stink, how many have these reports coming out?
Its like the saying just because you're paranoid don't mean they're not after you.
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The rigors of coaching in the NFL were too much for Harbaugh. His 49ers team was initially successful but started to fall apart before he left for Michigan. His NFL record is OK but no better than Jim Fassel's, for example
No it wasn't. He and Baalke couldn't get along. So ownership sided with Baalke and fired Harbaugh.
And as a reminder, Harbaugh got to a SB and lost to the Ravens and his brother. He was having success.
Jim Harbaugh's record in the NFL is an incomplete and will always be so unless he returns. He had success for a short time but he'd have to be successful again in the NFL after he leaves Michigan, if he ever leaves there, to complete the resume
I'm guessing he gets all the monies without doing any of the work.
Its like the saying just because you're paranoid don't mean they're not after you.
A hit piece is something that’s false but written to sound true. So that means everything described in it didn’t happen - do you actually believe that?
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College coaches rarely make it in the NFL. Saban is a classic example. And all this is terrible for Trevor Lawrence.
Really? Jimmy Johnson, Coughlin, and Carroll did pretty damn well. Harbaugh did well. Dick Vermeil, too.
Jimmy Johnson is the only coach who was largely a college coach before he went to the NFL. The others (Coughlin, Carroll, Harbaugh) had more experience in the NFL. Harbaugh went back to college when the NFL got too tough for him in San Francisco
Harbaugh started off at San Diego State and then went to Stanford before he went to the 9ers.
The rigors of coaching in the NFL were too much for Harbaugh. His 49ers team was initially successful but started to fall apart before he left for Michigan. His NFL record is OK but no better than Jim Fassel's, for example
Harbaugh left the NFL because of his clashing with Jed York. His NFL record is ok, huh? He had a .695 winning percentage. 44-19 is only ok to you?
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could bring that dysfunctional org (and ours) to multiple championship games.
Coughlin contributed to dysfuntion in his last go-round with the Jaguars and in case you haven't noticed the Giants won plenty of championships before Coughlin; and Coughlin was part of the problem in his last few years with the Giants (contributing to the mismanagement of both Plaxico and OBJ and a big part of the draft day decisions that so many on BBI blame for the team's plunge from contender to pretender). For all the talk of Coughlin being a disciplinarian, it was an undisciplined team that he lost control of.
Good for Meyer. These players have done absolutely nothing with which to be credited, Morrone ran a country club, and Meyer's job is to kick some ass. You want to be treated like adults, act like adults and put the work in-this is not jr league soccer where everyone gets a participation trophy. If the receivers are getting criticized, they should be; the Jax receivers have been bad, and Mr. Respected Voice in the locker room who hasn't played on a winning team in 6 years is part of it-his respected voice hasn't done anything to improve his fellow receivers. And who the fuck is Lawrence to be telling coaches who should play and who shouldn't. Go sit down Trevor, you've got enough to work on with your own play, and if we want your opinion, we'll ask for it.
These players are doing exactly what they did with Morrone- whining to the press, the owner, the union- any one they can find that will listen to them. Anything instead of buckling down and going to work to get better.
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could bring that dysfunctional org (and ours) to multiple championship games.
Coughlin contributed to dysfuntion in his last go-round with the Jaguars and in case you haven't noticed the Giants won plenty of championships before Coughlin; and Coughlin was part of the problem in his last few years with the Giants (contributing to the mismanagement of both Plaxico and OBJ and a big part of the draft day decisions that so many on BBI blame for the team's plunge from contender to pretender). For all the talk of Coughlin being a disciplinarian, it was an undisciplined team that he lost control of.
A TC hater from way back. How are you enjoying the three stooges we've had since TC got the boot? Should turn around any day now, right? I see you have learned absolutely nothing.
Good for Meyer. These players have done absolutely nothing with which to be credited, Morrone ran a country club, and Meyer's job is to kick some ass. You want to be treated like adults, act like adults and put the work in-this is not jr league soccer where everyone gets a participation trophy. If the receivers are getting criticized, they should be; the Jax receivers have been bad, and Mr. Respected Voice in the locker room who hasn't played on a winning team in 6 years is part of it-his respected voice hasn't done anything to improve his fellow receivers. And who the fuck is Lawrence to be telling coaches who should play and who shouldn't. Go sit down Trevor, you've got enough to work on with your own play, and if we want your opinion, we'll ask for it.
These players are doing exactly what they did with Morrone- whining to the press, the owner, the union- any one they can find that will listen to them. Anything instead of buckling down and going to work to get better.
Why is this news? Same thing going on for years over there.
This is basically who Meyer is working for. Would not be surprised if he planted the story to deflect the blame for the dysfunction so people will get off his back on social media.
Yeah, only 17 years elapsed since our prior Super Bowl with Parcells. Coughlin was just fortunate to arrive right when the winning started happening again. What a weird swipe at our last great coach.
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The rigors of coaching in the NFL were too much for Harbaugh. His 49ers team was initially successful but started to fall apart before he left for Michigan. His NFL record is OK but no better than Jim Fassel's, for example
No it wasn't. He and Baalke couldn't get along. So ownership sided with Baalke and fired Harbaugh.
And as a reminder, Harbaugh got to a SB and lost to the Ravens and his brother. He was having success.
I think you made his point, because Fassel did exactly that - get to a Superbowl and lose to the Ravens.
Losing cultures take big change to transform. The transition is often not a comfortable one.
TC had the press all over him almost from day 1. Some players revolted but in time learned how his methods would help build a champion. TC bended a little and showed how he cared about his players (he even said he always did but did not show it) but he never compromised on his demands and expectations.
Pretty stupid taking a shot at our two time SB champion coach. Parcells has called him one of the two very best coaches he ever had. BB called him a great coach. Tough to stay in the same place for too long. Even tougher when the talent level goes way down.
His record as an executive is another story. His first run in Jacksonville ended because he became a bad drafter and a worse cap manager. His second run ended with 25% of all NFLPA grievances being filed against his team and a letter from the NFLPA not to sign in Jacksonville. He gave Nick Foles 88 million dollars/45 million guaranteed. He gave Blake Bortles 65 million/26 million guaranteed. He alienated Leonard Fournette and traded Jalen Ramsey among others who are still productive, valuable players in the NFL.
Looking back on his last few years with the Giants and hearing John Mara say no Giants coach ever had more say over the personnel, IMO it puts some perspective on why Reese and Ross weren't fired at the same. The problem for Giant fans is that Reese and Ross were as least as much of the problem as Coughlin was and John Mara didn't know it. Which IMO explains where the Giants are now.
After the Coughlin mess you would think Jacksonville couldn't get more dysfunctional but maybe that's wrong. They're turning Lawrence into the next David Carr or Tim Couch. As far as Urban Meyer goes I hope he sticks around for at least another year of getting humiliated. Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.