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Lessons to be learnt from the 1974 Giants

Archer : 12/13/2021 8:38 pm

In 1974 the Giants were a very bad team, as bad as the Giants are now.

The Giants had Norm Snead as their QB and were floundering.

The Giants felt that it was imperative that they obtain a top QB to be competitive. So, the Giants traded a first round and second draft pick to the Dallas Cowboys for 31 year old Craig Morton.

Morton was a top QB, but he was made expendable by the ascendency of Rodger Staubach.
Among Morton's accomplishments in 1970 lead the Cowboys to the Super bowl, where they lost to Baltimore. But Morton had established himself as a media darling with star appeal.

Giant fans universally applauded Giants management for acquiring Morton and felt that he would turn the Giants around.

However, the acquisition of Morton turned out to be an unmitigated disaster.
The first-round pick that was traded to Dallas was the second overall pick and was used to select Hall of Fame DT Randy White.

Morton played 34 games with the Giants. During that time the Giants record was 8-25.

By trading for Morton, the Giants used draft capital that should have been used to improve bad a OL and an equally bad DL.
So, the Giants remained bad, and eventually the fans turned on Morton and in 1976 he was summarily traded to Denver.

To add insult to injury Morton went to a good Bronco team and he had a renaissance.
At age 34, Morton revived his career with the Broncos, finishing the season as the second-rated passer in the AFC.

Morton was named the NFL Comeback Player of the Year for 1977 and selected All-AFC by the Sporting News.
Morton in interviews credited his new found success with Denver due to a great supporting cast on offense and defense.

The Giants on the other hand continued to flounder, brought back Snead who gave way to Joe Pisarcik as their QB.

The Giants remained the laughingstock of the NFL until the arrival of Phil Simms, Lawrence Taylor, Bill Parcells, and George Young.

Presently the Giants are in a similar position as they were in 1974.
I caution Giant fans to heed history and acknowledge that there is no quick fix to building a competitive team.
The Giants must build the team, they must spend their resources on the lines, the linebackers, etc. and not on short term fixes.

It will start with a new GM and a plan to build the team via the draft.
100% right  
Josh in MD : 12/13/2021 8:45 pm : link
(but it's founder, not flounder).
Except, if  
Josh in MD : 12/13/2021 8:46 pm : link
you mean to suggest that, as the old saying goes, the fish stinks from the head.
Thank you for this  
Hammer : 12/13/2021 9:07 pm : link
And to those that want Russell Wilson, you have been warned.
Great posts  
Ike#88 : 12/13/2021 9:22 pm : link
Wilson would be an idiot to come here if our braintrust is that stupid. The Snead , Morton, Snead years were very painful. This draft is the chance to right the ship and cannot be squandered.
Great post  
GiantTuff1 : 12/13/2021 9:23 pm : link
Thank you for sharing this perspective.

People are piling on Judge, but the reality is the Giants don’t have the horses, period.

Build this team smartly.

I’m encouraged with the draft capital available and hope they spend it intelligently with whoever is making those decisions.
The problem wasn't trading for Morton  
HomerJones45 : 12/13/2021 9:32 pm : link
they needed a qb, and Morton was a championship qb. The problem was they gave up on it too soon and left us with nothing at the qb spot until Simms got drafted. Morton played another 7 or 8 years.
I was at Morton's first game as a Giant.  
BigBlueNH : 12/13/2021 9:35 pm : link
It was my first Giants game. At the Yale Bowl. I was 14. Lost to the Cowboys to drop to 1-6, on our way to a 2-12 record.

Agree with everything in this post. Our roster sucks, top to bottom. Adding Russell Wilson to this roster, at the cost of massive cap space and multiple high draft picks, will work out just as well as adding Morton to the 74 team.
Morton  
Paulie Walnuts : 12/13/2021 9:35 pm : link
Fell apart in the Super bowl. I remember him shaking his fist at the crowds he was booed mercilessly
The problem was that the team around Morton stunk.  
Red Dog : 12/13/2021 9:39 pm : link
See any parallels with the team today?
Great thread by Archer  
Paulie Walnuts : 12/13/2021 9:41 pm : link
Thank you
Agreed,  
darren in pdx : 12/13/2021 9:49 pm : link
if they're going to use their draft capital this year on a QB, they better extremely certain that they are a huge upgrade over Jones. I'd rather they use Jones as a lame duck QB and build up the rest of the team, then look for their QB of the future in 2023 if the QB class is better or they can afford a better vet in FA.
The Giants also traded Earl Morrall  
DSPCSP : 12/13/2021 9:50 pm : link
to Miami for some unknown guy. He was involved in Miami's unbeaten season. Lesson #2
Josh  
Archer : 12/13/2021 9:56 pm : link
floun·der
verb
struggle or stagger helplessly or clumsily in water or mud.
"he was floundering about in the shallow offshore waters"

be in serious difficulty.
"many firms are floundering"


Morton had to resort to...  
GA5 : 12/13/2021 10:11 pm : link
hypnotherapy to try to overcome his problems.
RE: 100% right  
Matt M. : 12/13/2021 10:46 pm : link
In comment 15494697 Josh in MD said:
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(but it's founder, not flounder).
He was right...it is flounder.
Both right about the Giants  
Paulie Walnuts : 12/13/2021 10:58 pm : link
Founder is like a ship sinking its foundering Founder' means "to sink" or "to collapse" or "to fail." 'Flounder' means "to struggle to move" or "to proceed clumsily."
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If Jimmy G becomes available  
kdog77 : 12/13/2021 11:03 pm : link
don't be surprised that Judge pushes to sign him.
Giants also fired John McVay  
Paulie Walnuts : 12/13/2021 11:04 pm : link
After the fumble. McVay went on to a very successful run in SF
McVay was GM in SF...  
GA5 : 12/14/2021 12:13 am : link
not head coach. Sean McVay still hates us for firing grandpa.
RE: The Giants also traded Earl Morrall  
aquidneck : 12/14/2021 12:32 am : link
In comment 15494778 DSPCSP said:
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to Miami for some unknown guy. He was involved in Miami's unbeaten season. Lesson #2


Morrall was long gone by 1974. Traded to Baltimore not Miami before the 1968 season.

Morrall would replace an injured Johmny Unitas in 1969 and leas the Colts to their first super bowl (where they lost to the Jets).

Morrall joined the Miami Dolphins in 1972 at the age of 38 in time for their undefeated season. He played four more years and retired at 42.
excellent comparison  
Allen in CNJ : 12/14/2021 5:05 am : link
and thanks for putting this into perspective
Exactly  
jeff57 : 12/14/2021 6:07 am : link
You don’t trade high first round picks. That’s not how you build a team.
RE: Giants also fired John McVay  
jeff57 : 12/14/2021 6:09 am : link
In comment 15494832 Paulie Walnuts said:
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After the fumble. McVay went on to a very successful run in SF


McVay was a terrible coach. Another example of why you shouldn’t hire interim coaches.
in a Russel Wilson thread about two weeks ago  
Fred-in-Florida : 12/14/2021 6:17 am : link
I pointed out reasons not to trade for him.

My final comment was

" Maybe Craig Morton is still available"!
RE: I was at Morton's first game as a Giant.  
EricJ : 12/14/2021 6:17 am : link
In comment 15494760 BigBlueNH said:
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It was my first Giants game.


I was at that game also..
Long way of saying trading for Wilson won't help  
LauderdaleMatty : 12/14/2021 7:03 am : link
Good post but the loons who think Wilson could win here won't stop.

They arent winning in Seattle with him.

The other lesson from the 70s s they when the Mara's run things totally the team will suck. They need a true VP of football operations. Until then these losers picking a GM and coach will just prolong this disaster


I don't watch the games anymore. I might again but not until major changes happen
For Archer: The turnaround should be credited to Ray Perkins and  
Ivan15 : 12/14/2021 7:57 am : link
George Young. They brought in Simms and Parcells. The defense improved to respectable and better mostly with players already there. LT came later.
good post Archer  
Victor in CT : 12/14/2021 8:04 am : link
well done.
RE: Josh  
pivo : 12/14/2021 8:13 am : link
In comment 15494783 Archer said:
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floun·der
verb
struggle or stagger helplessly or clumsily in water or mud.
"he was floundering about in the shallow offshore waters"

be in serious difficulty.
"many firms are floundering"



From the online dictionary:

What's the difference between flounder and founder?
'Founder' means "to sink" or "to collapse" or "to fail." 'Flounder' means "to struggle to move" or "to proceed clumsily."

Sounds like you're both right...
RE: Morton  
truebluelarry : 12/14/2021 9:08 am : link
In comment 15494762 Paulie Walnuts said:
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Fell apart in the Super bowl. I remember him shaking his fist at the crowds he was booed mercilessly


Morton got the living shit beat out of him by the Dallas Doomsday front that day. He probably spent a week in the ice tub following that game.
Geez, no wonder Gil Brandt has such a great reputation.  
Reese's Pieces : 12/14/2021 10:23 am : link
No knock on Gil. I'm a big fan when he's on Sirius.

Dallas wins the division in 73 at 10 - 4 and Dallas has the first overall pick: Too Tall Jones.

They fall to 8-6 the next year, but Dallas has the second overall pick: Randy White.

In-between with Dallas' own 73 season pick he chose Hollywood Henderson, who wasn't great, but had probably his best season the year the 'Boys won the 'Bowl.
That Morton trade  
OlyWABigBlue : 12/14/2021 10:41 am : link
As a 10-year old sports obsessed kid, I hated that trade from the moment it was announced. I hated the Cowboys and didn't want Morton because even as a kid, I recognized that the Cowboys had a much better shot at losing when Morton was playing than when Staubach was playing.

In what is now an obvious parallel, the best part of the Giants seasons in the mid-70's was draft day and that trade totally hosed it up, especially when Randy White was a no-brainer. He was projected as top pick at least a year before he was draft eligible.
1973 to 1980 were really the height of awful play  
PatersonPlank : 12/14/2021 11:06 am : link
a combined 31-83-1, so on average 3.8-10.3
RE: 1973 to 1980 were really the height of awful play  
PatersonPlank : 12/14/2021 11:12 am : link
In comment 15495187 PatersonPlank said:
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a combined 31-83-1, so on average 3.8-10.3


In fact from 1973-1976 they were 12-43-1, so 3 wins per season. Just awful
I have a very different memory of the Morton trade.  
Section331 : 12/14/2021 11:55 am : link
The buzz prior to the trade was that the Giants would trade for Archie Manning, and the news of the Morton trade was met with more derision than praise. Morton "led" the Cowboys to the SB in 1970 is faint praise - he completed less than 50% of his passes. He had 3 RB's rush for almost 2,000 yards combined, and he had one of the best defenses in the league.

I still remember how dispirited my father was when that trade was announced, his exact words were "it's like thinking you're getting Angie Dickinson, but you end up with Phyllis Diller."

I'm not sure what lessons are to be learned here - don't throw away draft picks for an aging, washed up QB?
Cowboys Always Get The Last Laugh  
varco : 12/14/2021 12:04 pm : link
Trading Morton cleared the way for Staubach as well as enabling them the get Randy White. Talk about a Double Whammy on the Giants. During those years, we were totally clueless. Rubes waiting to be taken to the cleaners in each trade. Remember Jim Del Gaizo? Another QB Gem from Miami.
The pre-George Young Giants  
lawguy9801 : 12/14/2021 12:20 pm : link
Unfortunately, John Mara learned at the foot of his idiot father who so ran the team into the ground (e.g. drafting players based on their writeup in Street & Smith's Magazine) and who deadlocked with the 50-50 co-owner (again, what a stupid way to have a business structured), such that Pete Rozelle had to appoint George Young to bring the team out of the stone age and actually make them functional.

The only sustained success the Giants have had in the past almost 60 years is tied to that decision. Now that the fruits of the George Young era have expired, we are back to the Wellington/John Mara bumbling, idiotic "Giants Way" of doing business, where the team is a "first class" organization and is super-duper nice to everyone consistent with the "Giants Way" but gets their teeth kicked in on the field on a weekly basis. But at least the Mara family has full employment, which is the ultimate goal, so there's a bright side.
RE: Cowboys Always Get The Last Laugh  
PatersonPlank : 12/14/2021 12:20 pm : link
In comment 15495301 varco said:
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Trading Morton cleared the way for Staubach as well as enabling them the get Randy White. Talk about a Double Whammy on the Giants. During those years, we were totally clueless. Rubes waiting to be taken to the cleaners in each trade. Remember Jim Del Gaizo? Another QB Gem from Miami.


Del Gaizo, Randy Johnson, Jerry Goldsteyn, Randy Dean, Joe Pisarcik. The 1970's Giants QB list, murderers row.
Yes, Yes, Yes, and Yes.  
clatterbuck : 12/14/2021 12:27 pm : link
Let's not repeat the failures of the past. The Giants gave two #1s and two #2s for Fran Tarkenton before going that route again with Morton. Tarkenton elevated the Giants to mediocrity (one winning season) before becoming a prima donna pain-in-the-ass and forcing a trade back to the Vikings. Three number one picks and two number twos squandered within the span of seven years were major contributors to that darkest era of Giants football. Russell Wilson is a mirage.
RE: RE: Cowboys Always Get The Last Laugh  
clatterbuck : 12/14/2021 12:31 pm : link
In comment 15495328 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 15495301 varco said:


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Trading Morton cleared the way for Staubach as well as enabling them the get Randy White. Talk about a Double Whammy on the Giants. During those years, we were totally clueless. Rubes waiting to be taken to the cleaners in each trade. Remember Jim Del Gaizo? Another QB Gem from Miami.



Del Gaizo, Randy Johnson, Jerry Goldsteyn, Randy Dean, Joe Pisarcik. The 1970's Giants QB list, murderers row.


And we traded a #3 for Del Gaizo, a left-handed QB whom Bill Arnsparger fell in love with when he was Dolphins DC and Del Gaizo was a backup.
RE: Cowboys Always Get The Last Laugh  
pivo : 12/14/2021 12:38 pm : link
In comment 15495301 varco said:
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Trading Morton cleared the way for Staubach as well as enabling them the get Randy White. Talk about a Double Whammy on the Giants. During those years, we were totally clueless. Rubes waiting to be taken to the cleaners in each trade. Remember Jim Del Gaizo? Another QB Gem from Miami.


Topped (by a long shot) by the Herschel Walker trade...Vikes made us look smart
RE: RE: 1973 to 1980 were really the height of awful play  
jeff57 : 12/14/2021 1:13 pm : link
In comment 15495202 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 15495187 PatersonPlank said:


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a combined 31-83-1, so on average 3.8-10.3



In fact from 1973-1976 they were 12-43-1, so 3 wins per season. Just awful


The glory days of the Yale Bowl and Shea.
RE: Cowboys Always Get The Last Laugh  
jeff57 : 12/14/2021 1:14 pm : link
In comment 15495301 varco said:
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Trading Morton cleared the way for Staubach as well as enabling them the get Randy White. Talk about a Double Whammy on the Giants. During those years, we were totally clueless. Rubes waiting to be taken to the cleaners in each trade. Remember Jim Del Gaizo? Another QB Gem from Miami.


I swear I don’t remember Del Gazio.
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