2022 NFL Mock Draft: Giants trade up to #2 for edge rusher

Kayvon & Neal falling to the Giants I can't think of a better scenario.

on Neal at the moment. Maybe as a guard, which we need desperately, but not sure how he does as a OT.

But Willis also like to see a trade down with the 2nd first to regain some draft capital in this years and next years draft. KT and Hutchinson are in top tier class as far as blue chip edge guys goes in this draft. I like a some of the others too, but think they can be had a few slots lower iif a team wants to jump up into the 5-6 hole. If they could land one of the top 2 edges and trade down for a future 1st again next year, that’s a home run. Fill in the OL, LBers with the rest of the draft.

but I would much rather get the impact defender from this draft, since I don't see the talent at QB or OT.

They convince themselves that the next best player is basically just as good. I don’t like trading up, but don’t try to tell me that next best is just as good.

3rd next year and a 5th this year, I'd be all for that. Grab Hutch or Thibs in the 2 spot, grab Lindenbaum, Ikem, or Neal at 6

In comment 15504823 JonC said:

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but I would much rather get the impact defender from this draft, since I don't see the talent at QB or OT.

I believe the price is THREE #2s.

Hutchinson & Lindenbaum is a lot of f#cking concrete. 2 badly needed trench warriors.

NYG will need to be smarter, #2 picks are very important.

for a non QB imo

Can't sacrifice any picks except to collect more. We're not one or two players away, we need all the warm bodies we can get a hold of.

In comment 15504797 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:

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on Neal at the moment. Maybe as a guard, which we need desperately, but not sure how he does as a OT.

Outside of LT they need a whole new line so I don’t care if he can play guard or tackle at this point. The only other possible “starter” we have besides Thomas next year is Lemieux at LG. Peart couldn’t even beat out Solder so he’s a swing tackle at best, Hernandez is (better be) gone and Gates’ career is essentially over.

You build a team with quality, not quantity. I understand, "Well we have a lot of slots to fill", but I don't believe that filling a lot of slots with lesser players is better than filling some of the slots with top flight talents.

for your pass rusher of choice. (Hutchinson?)

Then trade down from #6 to re-secure picks, while still landing Lindenbaum/OL. Lindenbaum isn't quite on the tier of Quenton Nelson, as an iOL he may slide past the ultra-premium range.

In comment 15504870 JB_in_DC said:

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for a non QB imo

I think it’s a smart strategy than staying out and reaching for someone. Giants will have to keep their ears open as well, if there is a lot of buzz around players they should look to get the guy they like the most with one of their top picks and trade the other to get some of that capital back. I rather an elite prospect than miss out on the blue chippers altogether and have to settle for two quality picks that were likely over drafted. This draft has a lot of OL talent, I don’t care fir the guys at the top end of it though

As a principle, I tend to agree and have posted it many times here. But, if there's a real difference maker there I'm not opposed to it, price permitting. Thibs is a difference maker.

A shame they didn't just pick Parsons last April. Poor decisions continue to haunt this franchise.

In comment 15504882 JonC said:

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As a principle, I tend to agree and have posted it many times here. But, if there's a real difference maker there I'm not opposed to it, price permitting. Thibs is a difference maker. A shame they didn't just pick Parsons last April. Poor decisions continue to haunt this franchise.

Is he though?

I trust your opinion it’s just he looked rather pedestrian to me in his two games vs Utah at the end of the year. Granted that’s not a big sample but j don’t believe there’s any potential NFL OT’s on Utah.

I like the two UM guys much better and would rather stay put than give up any picks.

In comment 15504856 M.S. said:

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In comment 15504823 JonC said: Quote: but I would much rather get the impact defender from this draft, since I don't see the talent at QB or OT. I believe the price is THREE #2s.

It wouldn't cost as much. The Jets had to pay a premium because they were going after a QB.

In comment 15504886 Eman11 said:

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In comment 15504882 JonC said: Quote: As a principle, I tend to agree and have posted it many times here. But, if there's a real difference maker there I'm not opposed to it, price permitting. Thibs is a difference maker. A shame they didn't just pick Parsons last April. Poor decisions continue to haunt this franchise. Is he though? I trust your opinion it’s just he looked rather pedestrian to me in his two games vs Utah at the end of the year. Granted that’s not a big sample but j don’t believe there’s any potential NFL OT’s on Utah. I like the two UM guys much better and would rather stay put than give up any picks.

Not an expert but I've heard the comp on Thibodeau is Clowney.

we need Edge but not that bad. There's other ways to get better there without giving up multiple high picks.

considering we need 2 Guards, A RT and a Center.

The Giants desperately need an impact player on defense. If Thibodeaux is the real deal and ends up an all-pro pass rusher it will have a huge impact on the whole defense. It makes everyone better and still lands a massive right tackle to pair with Thomas.
This is not going to be a 1-year rebuild and we need big-time pieces going forward the more impact talent you add the better.

Maybe grab a 3 and 5
Probably still get Linderbaum
ER. KT has some boom / bust in him. Rather take Ojagbo at ER if he is top ten on board
Would really love to grab an ILB in first 3rds along an OT and TE too
And cluster 2wr in 4th/5th area

We potentially have 5 picks in the first 75 selections with a good chance of 2 first rounders in the top 6 choices. For a team needing a whole lot it aint gonna get better than that. Not trading down or trading for a 1 pick next year. We know where we are drafting this year. Next year is all speculative.

The roster with real NFL talent. You DO NOT trade up for a non QB that’s just as idiotic as every other move the Giants have made in the last 5 drafts. Please just don’t screw this one up. Take BPA, Stingley, Hamilton, Neal, Cross, Karlaftis and Lindebaum have to all be in play in any number of combination. Do I need a first round oline man absolutely not. Peart has looked decent and Giants can always add oline through free agency. If I can replace Adoree Jackson with Derek Stingley that’s a huge win. If I can replace Jabrill Peppers with Kyle Hamilton that’s a huge win. Giants need to get younger, cheaper and better in most positions not just oline.

Most fans will not be fans of this take but the Giants are desperately lacking elite game changing talent. I’m taking an elite corner over an above average oline man any day and twice on Sunday.

In comment 15504895 Chip said:

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considering we need 2 Guards, A RT and a Center.

You're not getting all those pieces in one year anyway. And if you can do this trade while still keeping 2nd round picks, then I think you get those pieces within 2 years (Edge and Tackle/C/G this year in the 1st, another OL in the 2nd next year, another OL in the 2nd next year).

But yeah, the team also needs a WR, so who knows.

Is going to be good.

I wouldn't draft Thibodeaux if he dropped to us at 5.

Where do we sign up for this pipe dream?

In comment 15504823 JonC said:

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but I would much rather get the impact defender from this draft, since I don't see the talent at QB or OT.

I think you would also have to be comfortable with Neal playing right tackle.

In comment 15504922 Bruner4329 said:

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We potentially have 5 picks in the first 75 selections with a good chance of 2 first rounders in the top 6 choices. For a team needing a whole lot it aint gonna get better than that. Not trading down or trading for a 1 pick next year. We know where we are drafting this year. Next year is all speculative.

Look at the Giants 2nd rounders over the years...
Ojulari and McKinney were both hits. Tomlinson was also solid
But there is also Shepard, Baker (traded up to end of R1), Hernandez, Richburg etc. 2nd rounders- even high ones- are hit or miss.

So, if you believe you can acquire a highly impactful edge that is a Miller/Garrett/Mack level prospect, I don’t really mind giving up 2 or 3 second rounders..

The Giants aren’t going to fill a dozen holes on the roster in one draft, and they certainly aren’t going to do it with those 3 second rounders either. Nobody will have any second thoughts about trading 3 second rounders if Thibodeux is a 15 plus sacks per year type of player.

I guess the counter argument- is Thibodeux a better value than Ojabo/Karlaftis + 3 rounders...really depends how they grade out.

But I’m never against trading up to secure elite talent at a premier position. 2nd round picks are incredibly overrated on this board- look at all of the “mock drafts with a trade down” that have been posted in here over the years...bet you a lot of those 2nd rounders in their mocks aren’t in the league or starters anymore

In comment 15504941 barens said:

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In comment 15504823 JonC said: Quote: but I would much rather get the impact defender from this draft, since I don't see the talent at QB or OT. I think you would also have to be comfortable with Neal playing right tackle.

If he's a 10 year pro-bowler at guard I'd take him anyway.

and I'm not a big fan of picking a RT in the top 10.

to give up valuable 2nd round picks when you arent one or two players away from anything...

If only we were that lucky.

interest in trading up and very little in trading down from what will presumably two top 10 picks. I'd pick up the phone and listen to trade down offers, but it would take a lot to get me to move. We have a lot of picks and as someone said, game changers are more likely to be in the top half of the first round. The key is to get better FO personnel to make those judgments.

In comment 15504886 Eman11 said:

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In comment 15504882 JonC said: Quote: As a principle, I tend to agree and have posted it many times here. But, if there's a real difference maker there I'm not opposed to it, price permitting. Thibs is a difference maker. A shame they didn't just pick Parsons last April. Poor decisions continue to haunt this franchise. Is he though? I trust your opinion it’s just he looked rather pedestrian to me in his two games vs Utah at the end of the year. Granted that’s not a big sample but j don’t believe there’s any potential NFL OT’s on Utah. I like the two UM guys much better and would rather stay put than give up any picks.

Thibs is a difference maker. He's got some maturity and playing within structure things to work on in order to be a successful pro. But, the tools are there (and better prospect than Clowney) to be a building block.

but even if they start making the right decisions they arent going to fix this mess in one if season.

They arent going to find 4 starters on the OL in this draft. That's asinine.

I keep reading that they should use the first four picks all on OL as if that will suddenly fix the line.

They need to draft smart. Address the OL but don't force picks (Pugh anyone?)

You won't fix stupid with more stupid.

OL or BUST!!!

Mock season is already adding mock trades? Getting an early start on the lunacy, I see.

it's a non-starter.

oh, wait...

Throw the second 3rd rounder from this year
And the 2nd rounder in 2023.

That offer would work for Howie Roseman.

we are DESPERATE for OL and ER, and will force an overpay.
Sorry. I forgot to add to previous post.

down with the second selection to recoup some of the lost picks from the trade up is also something I would like. Thibodeaux is the best pure pass rusher in the draft.

In comment 15505046 BigBlueBuff said:

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Mock season is already adding mock trades? Getting an early start on the lunacy, I see.

True… but my real lunacy has been watching the Giants over the past nine seasons. Now that’s just plain nuts.

neutralized by a TE in 2 Utah games this year. Just don't feel like he should be rated that high.

is a good player, but he's not a transcendent player at Edge worth that draft capital. He's not Myles Garrett or Von Miller, two much better prospects. So, buyer beware on him.

There are Edge prospects that will be available in rounds 2 and 3 that have a lot of upside. No need to force a need for an overrated player.

but how much of an impact can they truly have? You look at guys like Myles Garrett and TJ Watt, who are probably the top 2 edge defenders in the NFL and their teams are ~.500 and on the playoff fringe.
If KT is that good and falls to us, great, but I would be wary of giving up any draft picks. NYG is functionally an expansion-level roster with all of its current holes. I would prefer to trade Chicago's pick for pick in the 10-15 range and pick up an extra first rounder next year if possible.

creating hypothetical scenarios based on hypothetical scenarios?

In comment 15505245 Knineteen said:

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creating hypothetical scenarios based on hypothetical scenarios?

You must be new to BBI. Welcome

pick 2 OL and an edge player in the first 3 picks no matter the order we need foundational players on the line

In comment 15504876 River Mike said:

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You build a team with quality, not quantity. I understand, "Well we have a lot of slots to fill", but I don't believe that filling a lot of slots with lesser players is better than filling some of the slots with top flight talents.

Agree, wholeheartedly. Give me two guys who can lock down a position, as opposed to 4 who you have to mix and match to fill a hole.

Two guys who can EACH lock down a position...

In comment 15505158 Bill in UT said:

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neutralized by a TE in 2 Utah games this year. Just don't feel like he should be rated that high.

Reminds me of when some people said Ronnie Stanley was overrated because a guy from Clemson had a good game against him. Fast forward and Stanley is one of the sport’s best left tackles and Shaq Lawson is on his third team and has 1 sack in 13 games this year.

Using one game or one opponent to judge a prospect isn’t the best way IMO.