The Giants are years away from winning anything. While I am steadfast that Jones is not the guy, bringing in Wilson and giving up God knows what in exchange, plus the huge salary which isn't even doable, would be a huge mistake IMO.
RE: Any team bringing in Wilson needs to be ready to win now
The Giants are years away from winning anything. While I am steadfast that Jones is not the guy, bringing in Wilson and giving up God knows what in exchange, plus the huge salary which isn't even doable, would be a huge mistake IMO.
I agree with what you say here, but OP just posed the question Wilson or Carroll and I was just answering.
Jones can't be counted on whether you believe in him or not. Who knows about this injury. They say full recovery but are you putting all your eggs in that basket? We can't do it and I am really curious to see who they bring in. Whether it's a veteran or a rookie, it has to be someone who can play at a much higher level than we have seen this season(Jones' play included)
RE: Any team bringing in Wilson needs to be ready to win now
The Giants are years away from winning anything. While I am steadfast that Jones is not the guy, bringing in Wilson and giving up God knows what in exchange, plus the huge salary which isn't even doable, would be a huge mistake IMO.
Wilson has a lot of tread left
What’s wrong with getting to ~500 next year and really start competing in 2023
RE: RE: Any team bringing in Wilson needs to be ready to win now
The Giants are years away from winning anything. While I am steadfast that Jones is not the guy, bringing in Wilson and giving up God knows what in exchange, plus the huge salary which isn't even doable, would be a huge mistake IMO.
I agree with what you say here, but OP just posed the question Wilson or Carroll and I was just answering.
Right. Im just saying Wilson is a non-starter for me.
Wilson will be unattainable. Seattle will demand something like 3 first round picks for him. The Giants can’t give up their draft capital lacking so much talent on the roster.
But if Seattle did ask for a first and a second only, I’d do it in a heartbeat. Russell Wilson is still really, really good.
The Giants are years away from winning anything. While I am steadfast that Jones is not the guy, bringing in Wilson and giving up God knows what in exchange, plus the huge salary which isn't even doable, would be a huge mistake IMO.
This just isn't true. Getting Wilson isn't a 1 year proposition, its a multi year engagement, one that has a better likelihood of getting the organization back on track than continuing to make boneheaded decisions at QB, among other positions.
What's everyone so scared of anyway? If it didn't work we'd be right where we are now.
Wilson will be unattainable. Seattle will demand something like 3 first round picks for him. The Giants can’t give up their draft capital lacking so much talent on the roster.
But if Seattle did ask for a first and a second only, I’d do it in a heartbeat. Russell Wilson is still really, really good.
There’s people in the league that think the deal happens for less than everyone thinks fwiw
sure i'd take him as our HC, but not over a QB like Wilson if that's what the choice is.
That said, and i'm asterisking this because I really don't know the dynamic in Seattle, but i'd potentially reconsider if it can be proven he wasn't responsible for so many of the awful picks and trades these last few years.
Russ Wilson on this team would be a huge mistake. It is going to take more than just a QB especially one that isn't Mahomes, Brady, or Rogers for this team to become anything.
And one of the major problems with this team is coaching and Joe Judge. The guy has 0 vision for what this team is. Developed 0 players into anything. If anything players got worse under him.
the Giants would be stupid to give up draft choices for Wilson at his age. Then again the Giants have consistently made stupid moves...stupid is as stupid does--- Welcome Mr. Wilson!
No disrespect, but he's on the wrong side of 70, and hasn't been able to stop the Hawks' slide into mediocrity. It would be Wilson easily, and I'm not one who is keen to give up multiple premium picks for a QB who will turn 34 next season.
Russ Wilson on this team would be a huge mistake. It is going to take more than just a QB especially one that isn't Mahomes, Brady, or Rogers for this team to become anything.
And one of the major problems with this team is coaching and Joe Judge. The guy has 0 vision for what this team is. Developed 0 players into anything. If anything players got worse under him.
Yeah, you might be right. Get a great coach and even Mike Glennon will look like an MVP, right?
I have no real strong opinion on the matter, but the benefit of a guy like Wilson, or any other QB who is established and knows what they're doing/talking about...
When a Jason Garrett or Freddie Kitchens or Joe Judge says, "ok, so here's what we're gonna do... (insert stupid shit here)" An established guy, whos making alot of cash, can very easily say, "Hey dummy, this will never work. Here's why. And, by the way, this is why you've sucked the entire time you've been here... We need to be doing (whatever that isnt stupid)"
They may be NFL coaches, but they're not rocket scientists. Much closer to gym teachers than PhD's. They need a guy whose seen the field, who knows what this hare-brained shits going to look like when you go live.
Whereas Daniel Jones, whose been in the league for 5 mins and probably recognizes he's lucky to be in the league says, "OK coach, sounds good, I can do it."
He's 33 years old. Based on the last two years he's on the downside.
Seattle isn't giving him away. Those top draft picks we have are gold. They could fill a couple of big needs.
His salary cap hit keeps us from getting a topnotch free agent.
Years ago the Giants made a trade for an experience and successful QB. They traded with Dallas for Craig Morton. With no offense line he wasn't any better than who we had before him.
Oh BTW the draft choice they gave to Dallas turned out to be Randy White. remember him??
He's 33 years old. Based on the last two years he's on the downside.
Seattle isn't giving him away. Those top draft picks we have are gold. They could fill a couple of big needs.
His salary cap hit keeps us from getting a topnotch free agent.
Years ago the Giants made a trade for an experience and successful QB. They traded with Dallas for Craig Morton. With no offense line he wasn't any better than who we had before him.
Oh BTW the draft choice they gave to Dallas turned out to be Randy White. remember him??
Wilson has a no trade clause, he essentially controls the price
Carrol. Adding Wilson would have huge draft capital and salary cap
As was stated earlier, Russ is not the missing piece.
I'm not a big Pete Carrol fan, but he's an experienced coach with success. That's more than I can say for our past three coaches.
Given the above, I'd easily take Carrol over Russ.
IMO this isn't a BB/Brady scenario, i think Wilson has been far more responsible for their success than Carroll has. Wilson is the 2nd most efficient QB in the history of the game (i'm discounting Mahomes since he hasn't played long enough), that matters a lot.
RE: RE: Any team bringing in Wilson needs to be ready to win now
The Giants are years away from winning anything. While I am steadfast that Jones is not the guy, bringing in Wilson and giving up God knows what in exchange, plus the huge salary which isn't even doable, would be a huge mistake IMO.
Wilson has a lot of tread left
What’s wrong with getting to ~500 next year and really start competing in 2023
This is how I look at it too.
We are over thinking shit again. If we can add a guy like Wilson and still manage to realistically add to the roster after adding Wilson, and I don't mean 2005 spending sprees, just have some room to move, and I think we would, we should consider adding Wilson.
Fuck this shit about years away and whatever else. Simple question--are we improving the team if we add Wilson and can we then continue to slowly bolster the roster afterwards? Yes? Fuck this nonsense. This franchise most definitely needs to panic. Can we even just get to 8-9 wins next year? Get back on the fucking NFL grid? Rebuild my ass. There's your rebuild.
Now, if the future of the roster is in doubt IF we add a Wilson and his contract that's another story, but I ain't buyin that shit one fucking bit and neither should anyone else. I know we love cap talk around here, but the Giants were 2 years, TWO years! from having to pay Jones a mtn of money if he developed into a star.
Save me the bullshit about future cap space. I aint hearing it. Look at the teams around the NFL that are winning right now and how many high priced super star vets they employ. Then look at us.
If the cost is doable, the Giants had better entertain the notion of trading for Wilson unless they have a hard on for a QB in the draft and feel they can get him.
the Giants won't make this kind of move for Wilson because it puts everyone on the hot seat. They are scared shitless of making this kind of move. Every move they make is laced with fear. They want to win, but they are more afraid of failure than anything else.
Prove me wrong. They won't.
RE: RE: Carrol. Adding Wilson would have huge draft capital and salary cap
IMO this isn't a BB/Brady scenario, i think Wilson has been far more responsible for their success than Carroll has. Wilson is the 2nd most efficient QB in the history of the game (i'm discounting Mahomes since he hasn't played long enough), that matters a lot.
i thin kyou have a boner for Wilson who is on the wrong side of 30 ; have no idea what you're talking about with Caroll and talking out of your hat in general. Wilson is not the 2nd most efficient passer of this era ;let alone of all time (whatever that means anyway)
the Giants won't make this kind of move for Wilson because it puts everyone on the hot seat. They are scared shitless of making this kind of move. Every move they make is laced with fear. They want to win, but they are more afraid of failure than anything else.
Prove me wrong. They won't.
1000% correct. It’s why they tried to run it back with Eli, they’ve won with him and we’re afraid of failing with a new QB.
the Giants won't make this kind of move for Wilson because it puts everyone on the hot seat. They are scared shitless of making this kind of move. Every move they make is laced with fear. They want to win, but they are more afraid of failure than anything else.
Prove me wrong. They won't.
It proves nothing. Doing stupid stuff like trading for Wilson drafting a lamar Jackson and building an offense around him; while it may seem exciting , cool , and daring. Is actually really dumb.
History is full of examples where giving up all your draft picks and pea-brained ideas that defy historical precedent for the one guy you think is going to be the difference maker ends in disaster. Mike Ditka paying a Kings Ransom for Ricky Williams etc
RE: RE: RE: Carrol. Adding Wilson would have huge draft capital and salary cap
IMO this isn't a BB/Brady scenario, i think Wilson has been far more responsible for their success than Carroll has. Wilson is the 2nd most efficient QB in the history of the game (i'm discounting Mahomes since he hasn't played long enough), that matters a lot.
i thin kyou have a boner for Wilson who is on the wrong side of 30 ; have no idea what you're talking about with Caroll and talking out of your hat in general. Wilson is not the 2nd most efficient passer of this era ;let alone of all time (whatever that means anyway)
He actually is. Rodgers 1, Mahomes 2, Wilson 3, Brady 4. Those guys score and don't turn the ball over, incase you needed a little definition on what "efficiency means". And 3 of the 4 are over 30, 1 almost 40, and one over 40. Your argument is being proven wrong right in your face.
You are such a terrible poster, go away.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Carrol. Adding Wilson would have huge draft capital and salary cap
He actually is. Rodgers 1, Mahomes 2, Wilson 3, Brady 4. Those guys score and don't turn the ball over, incase you needed a little definition on what "efficiency means". And 3 of the 4 are over 30, 1 almost 40, and one over 40. Your argument is being proven wrong right in your face.
You are such a terrible poster, go away.
Wilson is not in those guys class. Anyone who has a clue could tell you that. Rodgers and Brady are probably 2 of the greatest to ever play the game and Mahomes looks to be on his way. Russ Wilson is not one of the all time greats and it is just that simple.
The Giants are years away from winning anything. While I am steadfast that Jones is not the guy, bringing in Wilson and giving up God knows what in exchange, plus the huge salary which isn't even doable, would be a huge mistake IMO.
Wilson has a lot of tread left
What’s wrong with getting to ~500 next year and really start competing in 2023
I sgree. Wilson has us at least 2 or 3 wins better this year which is around 500.
I am on the wilson train
Top qvs just arent sure things...look st pretty much all of em. They have all had their struggles. Wilson is a proven winner and instantly makes our team better
Wilson is likely to play another 5+ years at a high level
He actually is. Rodgers 1, Mahomes 2, Wilson 3, Brady 4. Those guys score and don't turn the ball over, incase you needed a little definition on what "efficiency means". And 3 of the 4 are over 30, 1 almost 40, and one over 40. Your argument is being proven wrong right in your face.
You are such a terrible poster, go away.
Wilson is not in those guys class. Anyone who has a clue could tell you that. Rodgers and Brady are probably 2 of the greatest to ever play the game and Mahomes looks to be on his way. Russ Wilson is not one of the all time greats and it is just that simple.
You'd be surprised how hard it is to convince people that Wilson is overrated.
People think it's hate, but Eli Manning in his prime was a better postseason QB than Wilson ever was. He won't compete with Wilson's regular season stats or whatever, but end of the day, nobody ever lost to the Seattle Seahawks in the postseason or Super Bowl because of him primarily (and same goes for the postseason games since then).
Top notch mobility, a great deep ball, a great 2 minute drill, and smart football decisions make up for a lot of things. It often by itself makes you look amazing until several months into the season and after New Year's Day, it won't help you against disciplined defenses playing Cover 2 taking away your deep throws.
I don't know how much longer Carroll is going to coach, but he's just what the Giants need: An experienced head coach who has won and has the respect of his players. Its worth noting that the year they won the super bowl they did it with an offensive line that was decimated by injuries. For much of the season both starting tackles were injured and they were playing with guys signed off the street. While much of their success could be attributed to Willson, Lynch and their great defense, credit has to be given to the HC that was able to game plan around those injuries.
I'd rather have a coach the wrong side of 70 than a QB the wrong side of 30.
I don't know how much longer Carroll is going to coach, but he's just what the Giants need: An experienced head coach who has won and has the respect of his players. Its worth noting that the year they won the super bowl they did it with an offensive line that was decimated by injuries. For much of the season both starting tackles were injured and they were playing with guys signed off the street. While much of their success could be attributed to Willson, Lynch and their great defense, credit has to be given to the HC that was able to game plan around those injuries.
I'd rather have a coach the wrong side of 70 than a QB the wrong side of 30.
Really, why? Who are all these great coaches post-70 and how many of them took on a rebuild?
In contrast, how many really good NFL QB's are 33+ and how long are they good for? Mannings, Roethlisberger, Brees, Brady, Rodgers, and Wilson basically make up every Super Bowl over the last 20 years except for a handful - not enough of a sample size?
Great QB's typically stay great in this league outside of a freak injury. How many great QB's hit a brick wall at 33?
I don't know how much longer Carroll is going to coach, but he's just what the Giants need: An experienced head coach who has won and has the respect of his players. Its worth noting that the year they won the super bowl they did it with an offensive line that was decimated by injuries. For much of the season both starting tackles were injured and they were playing with guys signed off the street. While much of their success could be attributed to Willson, Lynch and their great defense, credit has to be given to the HC that was able to game plan around those injuries.
I'd rather have a coach the wrong side of 70 than a QB the wrong side of 30.
Really, why? Who are all these great coaches post-70 and how many of them took on a rebuild?
In contrast, how many really good NFL QB's are 33+ and how long are they good for? Mannings, Roethlisberger, Brees, Brady, Rodgers, and Wilson basically make up every Super Bowl over the last 20 years except for a handful - not enough of a sample size?
Great QB's typically stay great in this league outside of a freak injury. How many great QB's hit a brick wall at 33?
I have no idea if either Carroll or Wilson want to come here. No, I don’t know any 70 year old coaches that took on a rebuild, but I do know a 60 year old coach who took on a rebuild and won 2 super bowls. I can’t think of any 33 year old QB’s who came to a team as bad as the Giants and succeeded.
I agree with what you say here, but OP just posed the question Wilson or Carroll and I was just answering.
Wilson has a lot of tread left
What’s wrong with getting to ~500 next year and really start competing in 2023
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The Giants are years away from winning anything. While I am steadfast that Jones is not the guy, bringing in Wilson and giving up God knows what in exchange, plus the huge salary which isn't even doable, would be a huge mistake IMO.
I agree with what you say here, but OP just posed the question Wilson or Carroll and I was just answering.
Right. Im just saying Wilson is a non-starter for me.
But if Seattle did ask for a first and a second only, I’d do it in a heartbeat. Russell Wilson is still really, really good.
This just isn't true. Getting Wilson isn't a 1 year proposition, its a multi year engagement, one that has a better likelihood of getting the organization back on track than continuing to make boneheaded decisions at QB, among other positions.
What's everyone so scared of anyway? If it didn't work we'd be right where we are now.
But if Seattle did ask for a first and a second only, I’d do it in a heartbeat. Russell Wilson is still really, really good.
There’s people in the league that think the deal happens for less than everyone thinks fwiw
That said, and i'm asterisking this because I really don't know the dynamic in Seattle, but i'd potentially reconsider if it can be proven he wasn't responsible for so many of the awful picks and trades these last few years.
And one of the major problems with this team is coaching and Joe Judge. The guy has 0 vision for what this team is. Developed 0 players into anything. If anything players got worse under him.
We may not be contenders for the super bowl next year, but we will be better than 4-13.
we treated him badly. Warner still hates us.
We will have to grow our own I'm afraid
And one of the major problems with this team is coaching and Joe Judge. The guy has 0 vision for what this team is. Developed 0 players into anything. If anything players got worse under him.
Yeah, you might be right. Get a great coach and even Mike Glennon will look like an MVP, right?
We may not be contenders for the super bowl next year, but we will be better than 4-13.
Adding Wilson + a RT alone probably makes them a potential wild card team.
When a Jason Garrett or Freddie Kitchens or Joe Judge says, "ok, so here's what we're gonna do... (insert stupid shit here)" An established guy, whos making alot of cash, can very easily say, "Hey dummy, this will never work. Here's why. And, by the way, this is why you've sucked the entire time you've been here... We need to be doing (whatever that isnt stupid)"
They may be NFL coaches, but they're not rocket scientists. Much closer to gym teachers than PhD's. They need a guy whose seen the field, who knows what this hare-brained shits going to look like when you go live.
Whereas Daniel Jones, whose been in the league for 5 mins and probably recognizes he's lucky to be in the league says, "OK coach, sounds good, I can do it."
Narrator: "He couldn't"
He fell into a team that knows how to draft, that is all...He is a product of the environment in Seattle.
Seattle isn't giving him away. Those top draft picks we have are gold. They could fill a couple of big needs.
His salary cap hit keeps us from getting a topnotch free agent.
Years ago the Giants made a trade for an experience and successful QB. They traded with Dallas for Craig Morton. With no offense line he wasn't any better than who we had before him.
Oh BTW the draft choice they gave to Dallas turned out to be Randy White. remember him??
Seattle isn't giving him away. Those top draft picks we have are gold. They could fill a couple of big needs.
His salary cap hit keeps us from getting a topnotch free agent.
Years ago the Giants made a trade for an experience and successful QB. They traded with Dallas for Craig Morton. With no offense line he wasn't any better than who we had before him.
Oh BTW the draft choice they gave to Dallas turned out to be Randy White. remember him??
Wilson has a no trade clause, he essentially controls the price
As was stated earlier, Russ is not the missing piece.
I'm not a big Pete Carrol fan, but he's an experienced coach with success. That's more than I can say for our past three coaches.
Given the above, I'd easily take Carrol over Russ.
As was stated earlier, Russ is not the missing piece.
I'm not a big Pete Carrol fan, but he's an experienced coach with success. That's more than I can say for our past three coaches.
Given the above, I'd easily take Carrol over Russ.
IMO this isn't a BB/Brady scenario, i think Wilson has been far more responsible for their success than Carroll has. Wilson is the 2nd most efficient QB in the history of the game (i'm discounting Mahomes since he hasn't played long enough), that matters a lot.
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The Giants are years away from winning anything. While I am steadfast that Jones is not the guy, bringing in Wilson and giving up God knows what in exchange, plus the huge salary which isn't even doable, would be a huge mistake IMO.
Wilson has a lot of tread left
What’s wrong with getting to ~500 next year and really start competing in 2023
This is how I look at it too.
We are over thinking shit again. If we can add a guy like Wilson and still manage to realistically add to the roster after adding Wilson, and I don't mean 2005 spending sprees, just have some room to move, and I think we would, we should consider adding Wilson.
Fuck this shit about years away and whatever else. Simple question--are we improving the team if we add Wilson and can we then continue to slowly bolster the roster afterwards? Yes? Fuck this nonsense. This franchise most definitely needs to panic. Can we even just get to 8-9 wins next year? Get back on the fucking NFL grid? Rebuild my ass. There's your rebuild.
Now, if the future of the roster is in doubt IF we add a Wilson and his contract that's another story, but I ain't buyin that shit one fucking bit and neither should anyone else. I know we love cap talk around here, but the Giants were 2 years, TWO years! from having to pay Jones a mtn of money if he developed into a star.
Save me the bullshit about future cap space. I aint hearing it. Look at the teams around the NFL that are winning right now and how many high priced super star vets they employ. Then look at us.
If the cost is doable, the Giants had better entertain the notion of trading for Wilson unless they have a hard on for a QB in the draft and feel they can get him.
Prove me wrong. They won't.
IMO this isn't a BB/Brady scenario, i think Wilson has been far more responsible for their success than Carroll has. Wilson is the 2nd most efficient QB in the history of the game (i'm discounting Mahomes since he hasn't played long enough), that matters a lot.
i thin kyou have a boner for Wilson who is on the wrong side of 30 ; have no idea what you're talking about with Caroll and talking out of your hat in general. Wilson is not the 2nd most efficient passer of this era ;let alone of all time (whatever that means anyway)
Prove me wrong. They won't.
1000% correct. It’s why they tried to run it back with Eli, they’ve won with him and we’re afraid of failing with a new QB.
Prove me wrong. They won't.
It proves nothing. Doing stupid stuff like trading for Wilson drafting a lamar Jackson and building an offense around him; while it may seem exciting , cool , and daring. Is actually really dumb.
History is full of examples where giving up all your draft picks and pea-brained ideas that defy historical precedent for the one guy you think is going to be the difference maker ends in disaster. Mike Ditka paying a Kings Ransom for Ricky Williams etc
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IMO this isn't a BB/Brady scenario, i think Wilson has been far more responsible for their success than Carroll has. Wilson is the 2nd most efficient QB in the history of the game (i'm discounting Mahomes since he hasn't played long enough), that matters a lot.
i thin kyou have a boner for Wilson who is on the wrong side of 30 ; have no idea what you're talking about with Caroll and talking out of your hat in general. Wilson is not the 2nd most efficient passer of this era ;let alone of all time (whatever that means anyway)
He actually is. Rodgers 1, Mahomes 2, Wilson 3, Brady 4. Those guys score and don't turn the ball over, incase you needed a little definition on what "efficiency means". And 3 of the 4 are over 30, 1 almost 40, and one over 40. Your argument is being proven wrong right in your face.
You are such a terrible poster, go away.
He actually is. Rodgers 1, Mahomes 2, Wilson 3, Brady 4. Those guys score and don't turn the ball over, incase you needed a little definition on what "efficiency means". And 3 of the 4 are over 30, 1 almost 40, and one over 40. Your argument is being proven wrong right in your face.
You are such a terrible poster, go away.
Wilson is not in those guys class. Anyone who has a clue could tell you that. Rodgers and Brady are probably 2 of the greatest to ever play the game and Mahomes looks to be on his way. Russ Wilson is not one of the all time greats and it is just that simple.
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The Giants are years away from winning anything. While I am steadfast that Jones is not the guy, bringing in Wilson and giving up God knows what in exchange, plus the huge salary which isn't even doable, would be a huge mistake IMO.
Wilson has a lot of tread left
What’s wrong with getting to ~500 next year and really start competing in 2023
I sgree. Wilson has us at least 2 or 3 wins better this year which is around 500.
I am on the wilson train
Top qvs just arent sure things...look st pretty much all of em. They have all had their struggles. Wilson is a proven winner and instantly makes our team better
Honestly, Seattle should move on and try to rebuild that team with Wilson as QB.
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He actually is. Rodgers 1, Mahomes 2, Wilson 3, Brady 4. Those guys score and don't turn the ball over, incase you needed a little definition on what "efficiency means". And 3 of the 4 are over 30, 1 almost 40, and one over 40. Your argument is being proven wrong right in your face.
You are such a terrible poster, go away.
Wilson is not in those guys class. Anyone who has a clue could tell you that. Rodgers and Brady are probably 2 of the greatest to ever play the game and Mahomes looks to be on his way. Russ Wilson is not one of the all time greats and it is just that simple.
You'd be surprised how hard it is to convince people that Wilson is overrated.
People think it's hate, but Eli Manning in his prime was a better postseason QB than Wilson ever was. He won't compete with Wilson's regular season stats or whatever, but end of the day, nobody ever lost to the Seattle Seahawks in the postseason or Super Bowl because of him primarily (and same goes for the postseason games since then).
Top notch mobility, a great deep ball, a great 2 minute drill, and smart football decisions make up for a lot of things. It often by itself makes you look amazing until several months into the season and after New Year's Day, it won't help you against disciplined defenses playing Cover 2 taking away your deep throws.
Just don't get your hopes up in the postseason.
I'd rather have a coach the wrong side of 70 than a QB the wrong side of 30.
I'd rather have a coach the wrong side of 70 than a QB the wrong side of 30.
Really, why? Who are all these great coaches post-70 and how many of them took on a rebuild?
In contrast, how many really good NFL QB's are 33+ and how long are they good for? Mannings, Roethlisberger, Brees, Brady, Rodgers, and Wilson basically make up every Super Bowl over the last 20 years except for a handful - not enough of a sample size?
Great QB's typically stay great in this league outside of a freak injury. How many great QB's hit a brick wall at 33?
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I don't know how much longer Carroll is going to coach, but he's just what the Giants need: An experienced head coach who has won and has the respect of his players. Its worth noting that the year they won the super bowl they did it with an offensive line that was decimated by injuries. For much of the season both starting tackles were injured and they were playing with guys signed off the street. While much of their success could be attributed to Willson, Lynch and their great defense, credit has to be given to the HC that was able to game plan around those injuries.
I'd rather have a coach the wrong side of 70 than a QB the wrong side of 30.
Really, why? Who are all these great coaches post-70 and how many of them took on a rebuild?
In contrast, how many really good NFL QB's are 33+ and how long are they good for? Mannings, Roethlisberger, Brees, Brady, Rodgers, and Wilson basically make up every Super Bowl over the last 20 years except for a handful - not enough of a sample size?
Great QB's typically stay great in this league outside of a freak injury. How many great QB's hit a brick wall at 33?