(posted 19 Hours Ago)
And the Giants select:
#5 Kyle Hamilton Safety Notre Dame
#8 Ikem Ekwonu IOL/OT NC State
#36 Kingsley Enagbare EDGE South Carolina
#67 Jarrett Patterson IOL Notre Dame
#79 Phidarian Mathis DL Alabama
If you believe Kyle Hamilton is just a flat-out playmaker, then one can justify this pick for what is probably our strongest or second strongest unit on the team.
I think Ekwonu is fantastic and will start on Day One, and maybe Jarrett Patterson as well.
I'll take it!
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Now Stingley is a different story.
Go Oline early and often. OR Edge.
Now Stingley is a different story.
Go Oline early and often. OR Edge.
I hear ya, and I am pretty much in agreement. But Colin at GBN believes:
(1) High performing teams depend on a few key play-makers;
(2) The Giants are bereft of play-makers;
(3) Ergo, Kyle Hamilton, if you believe he is a play-maker.
That said, I have no problem at all going LOS with our first 5 selections!
I think Safety is different than running back if only for the fact that the latter depends on the O-line for success and probably has a shorter average career than the former. In any event, I'm all primed for LOS with the first two picks. Or, LOS with the first pick and maybe trade down with the second.
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If they don’t think Karlaftis is worth the five then they should trade down. This is the same mistake as the Barkley pick. A really high pick and a talented player at a position that doesn’t justify it.
I think Safety is different than running back if only for the fact that the latter depends on the O-line for success and probably has a shorter average career than the former. In any event, I'm all primed for LOS with the first two picks. Or, LOS with the first pick and maybe trade down with the second.
Yes, safety is different than RB but it’s also a very solid unit talent wise. We’re desperate for pass rushers and OL. Spending the five on a safety is the same mistake as the Barkley pick at a different position. Sure he’d be good and we’d have just what we have now. A team with the same holes that gave us this season.
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If they don’t think Karlaftis is worth the five then they should trade down. This is the same mistake as the Barkley pick. A really high pick and a talented player at a position that doesn’t justify it.
I think Safety is different than running back if only for the fact that the latter depends on the O-line for success and probably has a shorter average career than the former. In any event, I'm all primed for LOS with the first two picks. Or, LOS with the first pick and maybe trade down with the second.
Yes, safety is different than RB but it’s also a very solid unit talent wise. We’re desperate for pass rushers and OL. Spending the five on a safety is the same mistake as the Barkley pick at a different position. Sure he’d be good and we’d have just what we have now. A team with the same holes that gave us this season.
I'm 100% for going LOS early and often! But it could be argued that -- if Kyle Hamilton is indeed a great play-maker -- then maybe he elevates a decent defense to a very strong one! The argument then is just how much incrementally better is Kyle Hamilton than what we currently have at Safety. In any event, I'm not rooting to select Kyle Hamilton. I'm just presenting the argument why the Giants might take him -- to add a difference maker.
Drafting for need only? I guess you want to keep rolling with Gettleman because this lines up with exactly what he would do.
You draft players, not positions. On a team bereft of talent you don't skip top tier talent for second tier talent because it is where the immediate hole is.
Ekwonu guard
absolutely. time to start collecting talent. we're not good next year anyway.
8. Ikem Ekwonu G/T
36. Myjai Snaders EDGE (or Cameron Thomas hmm tough choice)
67. Chad Muma LB
79. Sean Rhyan G/T
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5. Kenny Pickett QB
8. Ikem Ekwonu G/T
36. Bernhard Raimann T
67. Chad Muma LB
79. Zach Harrison EDGE
Yup.
Get out of the mindset that the draft is about need and the next season at hand.
Get out of the mindset that the draft is about need and the next season at hand.
Cool, what OL talent is in the pipeline?
Logan Ryan aint around much longer, and this team needs elite talent anywhere
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Draft isn't entirely about now, and now would be a good time to put talent in the pipeline at S, where Peppers is a question mark, and Love potentially replaces Ryan in a year, etc.
Get out of the mindset that the draft is about need and the next season at hand.
Cool, what OL talent is in the pipeline?
Hopefully someday NYG will not suck at finding it, but it doesn't have to be top 10 picks, especially when their LT is already in place.
Maybe one makes the grade, and maybe not. Draft the best players, you know this.
For fun when I have done mocks I usually get Patterson at Center too, but he is a question. You only have one legit guy on offense per Tanks draft in the top 5 and with only one other possibility in the top 5.
I don’t like those odds considering long term we have huge questions with the OL, TE and WR and potentially for RB and QB.
If anything say no to Mathis and get another offensive player. Enagbare should also be able to help against the run and there has to be some belief that Martinez is coming back. You don't "need" Mathis / a DT when if at worst trade a bit down and get a long term possible solution on offense.
My guess is going into the draft that the Giants would love to come away with one of Hutchinson, Thibodeaux or Neal, but they're likely to be gone by #5 so what do you given that the other two blue-chip top 5 guys are DBs. Certainly Hamilton and Stngley are really good players. Hamilton is a big kid who can come and play LB on passing downs, but he's also really athletic with sideline-to-sideline range and the agility to cover wideouts if needed.
At the same time, though, when looking around the NFL these days what seems pretty clear is that all the top teams (maybe with the exception of Tennessee) have elite or near elite passing games and at least some ability to rush the passer and slow the other team's passing game down.
I look at Cincinnati, for example, who everybody thought would take Sewell the OT last April and instead they chose the WR and went last to first. Again, there's other stuff involved but its hard to argue that Chase isn't the guy making that team go right now. Similar story over at Miami with Waddle and their 7-game winning streak.
And I know it won't be popular with the fan base, but if I'm the new Giants' guy my first order of business is to finish the job with the skill positions. That was supposed to be the goal last but neither Golladay nor Toney have played much and haven't been healthy when they have played, but neither is a true #1 receiver or a legit deep threat. An I just think you have to add someone with that skill set with the first 2-3 picks.
And you can't win in the NFL without being able to rush the passer and even if Hutch and Thibo go 1-2 there are going to be some really good pass rushers with top ten grades. Again this is the team that coined the phrase 'you can never have enough people that can rush the passer' but hasn't taken a DE with a first round pick in over a decade!
At the same time, I am not going to rule out taking at OT in the first round. However, I don't believe you take an OT simply to upgrade the OL or because Solder and Peart aren't very good. You take an OT early because you want to be able to run 4- and 5-receiver sets and in order to do that you need to confident that your OTs can protect the edge. And good OTs are hard to find. One of the things I might consider would be use my 2-3-4 round picks in some fashion to trade for some veteran offensive linemen who might be a safer bet than relying on rookie draft picks.
Should be an interesting 3-4 months.
Of course he needs to be all pro level to justify
Also the theme that the blue chips will always run out before the Giants pick is also not the case.
just sayin' as we move quickly into draft discussions for 2022...
My guess is going into the draft that the Giants would love to come away with one of Hutchinson, Thibodeaux or Neal, but they're likely to be gone by #5 so what do you given that the other two blue-chip top 5 guys are DBs. Certainly Hamilton and Stngley are really good players. Hamilton is a big kid who can come and play LB on passing downs, but he's also really athletic with sideline-to-sideline range and the agility to cover wideouts if needed.
At the same time, though, when looking around the NFL these days what seems pretty clear is that all the top teams (maybe with the exception of Tennessee) have elite or near elite passing games and at least some ability to rush the passer and slow the other team's passing game down.
I look at Cincinnati, for example, who everybody thought would take Sewell the OT last April and instead they chose the WR and went last to first. Again, there's other stuff involved but its hard to argue that Chase isn't the guy making that team go right now. Similar story over at Miami with Waddle and their 7-game winning streak.
And I know it won't be popular with the fan base, but if I'm the new Giants' guy my first order of business is to finish the job with the skill positions. That was supposed to be the goal last but neither Golladay nor Toney have played much and haven't been healthy when they have played, but neither is a true #1 receiver or a legit deep threat. An I just think you have to add someone with that skill set with the first 2-3 picks.
And you can't win in the NFL without being able to rush the passer and even if Hutch and Thibo go 1-2 there are going to be some really good pass rushers with top ten grades. Again this is the team that coined the phrase 'you can never have enough people that can rush the passer' but hasn't taken a DE with a first round pick in over a decade!
At the same time, I am not going to rule out taking at OT in the first round. However, I don't believe you take an OT simply to upgrade the OL or because Solder and Peart aren't very good. You take an OT early because you want to be able to run 4- and 5-receiver sets and in order to do that you need to confident that your OTs can protect the edge. And good OTs are hard to find. One of the things I might consider would be use my 2-3-4 round picks in some fashion to trade for some veteran offensive linemen who might be a safer bet than relying on rookie draft picks.
Should be an interesting 3-4 months.
Cinci has Burrow - can't compare him vs teams that don't have a bonafide stud QB. What if you don't have the stud QB? And hopefully long-term Burrow will hold up. He is getting pretty beaten up, isn't he?
Miami has done nothing to emulate. They aren't making the playoffs again. Why use them as a model?
Has everything been pretty tight lipped over at 1925 Giants Dr? Any tidbits at this point?
That is such backwards thinking. So they're giving Judge another year, and want to find a GM who aligns with JJ's philosophy, what happens if Judge craps out next year? Now you've got a GM you hired mostly because he shared JJ's philosophy. That doesn't sound too promising.
What is Judge’s vision?
Appreciate it as always Jon.
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I've heard Judge is expected to stay, and they want a GM who shares his vision. That's pretty vague tho, it could be someone from another team with ties to Judge, or it could be Abrams in the end. From the point of hire, the next move to watch is Jones and do they draft one with enough tools to compete with him.
That is such backwards thinking. So they're giving Judge another year, and want to find a GM who aligns with JJ's philosophy, what happens if Judge craps out next year? Now you've got a GM you hired mostly because he shared JJ's philosophy. That doesn't sound too promising.
I'm in the same camp as you, I hate the half-measures approach and thought process. Thinking this way, they could say let's keep DG in place, punt the whole thing for one more year due to injuries, covid, and not being rash in making changes yet again.