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3-Round Mock Draft from Tankathon:

M.S. : 1/4/2022 8:34 am

(posted 19 Hours Ago)

And the Giants select:

#5 Kyle Hamilton Safety Notre Dame
#8 Ikem Ekwonu IOL/OT NC State
#36 Kingsley Enagbare EDGE South Carolina
#67 Jarrett Patterson IOL Notre Dame
#79 Phidarian Mathis DL Alabama

If you believe Kyle Hamilton is just a flat-out playmaker, then one can justify this pick for what is probably our strongest or second strongest unit on the team.

I think Ekwonu is fantastic and will start on Day One, and maybe Jarrett Patterson as well.

I'll take it!

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Not bad  
jeff57 : 1/4/2022 8:43 am : link
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Not sure I’d pass on Bell or Ridder  
Mike in NY : 1/4/2022 8:49 am : link
In Round 2
I will never get on board  
superspynyg : 1/4/2022 8:50 am : link
with a saftey at 5 when we have 4 oline spots to fill. These THey have Hamilton ranked as 5th best prospect, so they just gave him to us at 5. And I like Hamilton. But we have Ryan and McKinney.

Now Stingley is a different story.

Go Oline early and often. OR Edge.
RE: I will never get on board  
M.S. : 1/4/2022 8:55 am : link
In comment 15529024 superspynyg said:
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with a saftey at 5 when we have 4 oline spots to fill. These THey have Hamilton ranked as 5th best prospect, so they just gave him to us at 5. And I like Hamilton. But we have Ryan and McKinney.

Now Stingley is a different story.

Go Oline early and often. OR Edge.

I hear ya, and I am pretty much in agreement. But Colin at GBN believes:

(1) High performing teams depend on a few key play-makers;
(2) The Giants are bereft of play-makers;
(3) Ergo, Kyle Hamilton, if you believe he is a play-maker.

That said, I have no problem at all going LOS with our first 5 selections!
Safety is currently the best unit on the team  
BillT : 1/4/2022 8:59 am : link
If they don’t think Karlaftis is worth the five then they should trade down. This is the same mistake as the Barkley pick. A really high pick and a talented player at a position that doesn’t justify it.
RE: Safety is currently the best unit on the team  
M.S. : 1/4/2022 9:05 am : link
In comment 15529043 BillT said:
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If they don’t think Karlaftis is worth the five then they should trade down. This is the same mistake as the Barkley pick. A really high pick and a talented player at a position that doesn’t justify it.

I think Safety is different than running back if only for the fact that the latter depends on the O-line for success and probably has a shorter average career than the former. In any event, I'm all primed for LOS with the first two picks. Or, LOS with the first pick and maybe trade down with the second.
RE: RE: Safety is currently the best unit on the team  
BillT : 1/4/2022 9:16 am : link
In comment 15529053 M.S. said:
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In comment 15529043 BillT said:


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If they don’t think Karlaftis is worth the five then they should trade down. This is the same mistake as the Barkley pick. A really high pick and a talented player at a position that doesn’t justify it.


I think Safety is different than running back if only for the fact that the latter depends on the O-line for success and probably has a shorter average career than the former. In any event, I'm all primed for LOS with the first two picks. Or, LOS with the first pick and maybe trade down with the second.

Yes, safety is different than RB but it’s also a very solid unit talent wise. We’re desperate for pass rushers and OL. Spending the five on a safety is the same mistake as the Barkley pick at a different position. Sure he’d be good and we’d have just what we have now. A team with the same holes that gave us this season.
RE: RE: RE: Safety is currently the best unit on the team  
M.S. : 1/4/2022 9:36 am : link
In comment 15529083 BillT said:
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In comment 15529053 M.S. said:


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In comment 15529043 BillT said:


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If they don’t think Karlaftis is worth the five then they should trade down. This is the same mistake as the Barkley pick. A really high pick and a talented player at a position that doesn’t justify it.


I think Safety is different than running back if only for the fact that the latter depends on the O-line for success and probably has a shorter average career than the former. In any event, I'm all primed for LOS with the first two picks. Or, LOS with the first pick and maybe trade down with the second.


Yes, safety is different than RB but it’s also a very solid unit talent wise. We’re desperate for pass rushers and OL. Spending the five on a safety is the same mistake as the Barkley pick at a different position. Sure he’d be good and we’d have just what we have now. A team with the same holes that gave us this season.

I'm 100% for going LOS early and often! But it could be argued that -- if Kyle Hamilton is indeed a great play-maker -- then maybe he elevates a decent defense to a very strong one! The argument then is just how much incrementally better is Kyle Hamilton than what we currently have at Safety. In any event, I'm not rooting to select Kyle Hamilton. I'm just presenting the argument why the Giants might take him -- to add a difference maker.
Sorry but NO  
UGADawgs7 : 1/4/2022 9:46 am : link
On Hamilton. This team needs OL, ILB, Edge, TE, etc. yes a S is a need without Peppers but this team needs line and ILB help too much. They’ll have picks 5/8 if it ends today. Take Cross and Green/ Ekwonu for OG, or take Cross, Dean and take more OL round 2 or with one of the 3rds. Safety isn’t as big of a need.
Safety at 5?  
Giant John : 1/4/2022 9:48 am : link
No thanks.
RE: Sorry but NO  
Mike from Ohio : 1/4/2022 9:49 am : link
In comment 15529143 UGADawgs7 said:
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On Hamilton. This team needs OL, ILB, Edge, TE, etc. yes a S is a need without Peppers but this team needs line and ILB help too much. They’ll have picks 5/8 if it ends today. Take Cross and Green/ Ekwonu for OG, or take Cross, Dean and take more OL round 2 or with one of the 3rds. Safety isn’t as big of a need.


Drafting for need only? I guess you want to keep rolling with Gettleman because this lines up with exactly what he would do.

You draft players, not positions. On a team bereft of talent you don't skip top tier talent for second tier talent because it is where the immediate hole is.
For the Giants  
Giants : 1/4/2022 9:56 am : link
that is a horrific draft. Giants have to address the OL and DL . Safety position is not a problem the Giants need to go in first or second round. For another NFL team that might be a bad draft it just doesn’t fit the Giants
Sorry  
Giants : 1/4/2022 9:58 am : link
Meant to say for another NFL team that might not be a bad draft
That’s the problem with the giants  
MtDizzle : 1/4/2022 10:16 am : link
They draft on need over best player available. If Hamilton is the best player available you take him and worry about the rest later.
I’d take  
Tuckrule : 1/4/2022 10:37 am : link
Cross tackle
Ekwonu guard
RE: That’s the problem with the giants  
markky : 1/4/2022 10:40 am : link
In comment 15529219 MtDizzle said:
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They draft on need over best player available. If Hamilton is the best player available you take him and worry about the rest later.


absolutely. time to start collecting talent. we're not good next year anyway.
I don't love a safety at #5 either  
arniefez : 1/4/2022 10:54 am : link
but it's not a RB and if the Giants got the other 4 players on the list too sign me up.
Most interesting to me  
JonC : 1/4/2022 10:56 am : link
is Pickett and Corral both in the top 10.
Here's is mine...  
rasbutant : 1/4/2022 11:05 am : link
5. Kenny Pickett QB
8. Ikem Ekwonu G/T
36. Myjai Snaders EDGE (or Cameron Thomas hmm tough choice)
67. Chad Muma LB
79. Sean Rhyan G/T

or
5. Kenny Pickett QB
8. Ikem Ekwonu G/T
36. Bernhard Raimann T
67. Chad Muma LB
79. Zach Harrison EDGE
Also no.  
Red Dog : 1/4/2022 11:34 am : link
Top five picks need to have 2 or 3 OLs and an Edge Rusher. A Safety at #5 is precisely what they do not need now.
Look again  
Jerry K : 1/4/2022 11:48 am : link
That mock has the Giants picking 2 OL and 2 DL/Edge in the first three rounds. Those are our top needs. And we are not really set at safety other than McKinney.
RE: Most interesting to me  
Go Terps : 1/4/2022 11:52 am : link
In comment 15529322 JonC said:
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is Pickett and Corral both in the top 10.


Yup.
"now" is a bad strategy  
JonC : 1/4/2022 12:11 pm : link
Draft isn't entirely about now, and now would be a good time to put talent in the pipeline at S, where Peppers is a question mark, and Love potentially replaces Ryan in a year, etc.

Get out of the mindset that the draft is about need and the next season at hand.
RE:  
WillVAB : 1/4/2022 12:14 pm : link
In comment 15529494 JonC said:
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Draft isn't entirely about now, and now would be a good time to put talent in the pipeline at S, where Peppers is a question mark, and Love potentially replaces Ryan in a year, etc.

Get out of the mindset that the draft is about need and the next season at hand.


Cool, what OL talent is in the pipeline?
If you think Hamilton can be a perennial pro bowler  
mfsd : 1/4/2022 12:15 pm : link
by all means take him at 5. Nothing wrong with drafting into the strength of the team (some people griped that LB was the strength of the defense and we didn’t need another OLB in 81, but we took LT anyway).

Logan Ryan aint around much longer, and this team needs elite talent anywhere
That absolutely works  
youngd1974 : 1/4/2022 12:21 pm : link
Putting Hamilton next to Mckinney. So many things you can do scheme wise. You have Ekwonu and Patterson. Plus a pretty good talent at Edge. Get me a couple guards rounds 4 - 7 and we're good.
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JonC : 1/4/2022 12:21 pm : link
In comment 15529500 WillVAB said:
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In comment 15529494 JonC said:


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Draft isn't entirely about now, and now would be a good time to put talent in the pipeline at S, where Peppers is a question mark, and Love potentially replaces Ryan in a year, etc.

Get out of the mindset that the draft is about need and the next season at hand.



Cool, what OL talent is in the pipeline?


Hopefully someday NYG will not suck at finding it, but it doesn't have to be top 10 picks, especially when their LT is already in place.

Maybe one makes the grade, and maybe not. Draft the best players, you know this.
We have holes everywhere, don't draft for  
Section331 : 1/4/2022 1:12 pm : link
position. If Hamilton is the next coming of Ed Reed, you don't pass him by because you have Logan Ryan. We need playmakers. If Hamilton fits the bill, come on board.
Dont like it  
giantstock : 1/4/2022 1:16 pm : link
The team's offense is brutally awful. You need forward thinking with the OL being awful, the Tight Ends being awful and the top WR's injury prone.

For fun when I have done mocks I usually get Patterson at Center too, but he is a question. You only have one legit guy on offense per Tanks draft in the top 5 and with only one other possibility in the top 5.

I don’t like those odds considering long term we have huge questions with the OL, TE and WR and potentially for RB and QB.

If anything say no to Mathis and get another offensive player. Enagbare should also be able to help against the run and there has to be some belief that Martinez is coming back. You don't "need" Mathis / a DT when if at worst trade a bit down and get a long term possible solution on offense.
Impact versus need  
Colin@gbn : 1/4/2022 1:20 pm : link
Afternoon M.S,. Jon et al: Interesting discussion. I personally have no idea who the Giants will take with their early picks this but it is going to be really fascinating to see what direction the new G.M. wants to take the team. More particularly, how will they address the age old question of whether to use =your early picks to add impact players or to fill holes. If nothing else the new guy should feel like he's got a bit of time and doesn't have to force picks to win right away.

My guess is going into the draft that the Giants would love to come away with one of Hutchinson, Thibodeaux or Neal, but they're likely to be gone by #5 so what do you given that the other two blue-chip top 5 guys are DBs. Certainly Hamilton and Stngley are really good players. Hamilton is a big kid who can come and play LB on passing downs, but he's also really athletic with sideline-to-sideline range and the agility to cover wideouts if needed.

At the same time, though, when looking around the NFL these days what seems pretty clear is that all the top teams (maybe with the exception of Tennessee) have elite or near elite passing games and at least some ability to rush the passer and slow the other team's passing game down.

I look at Cincinnati, for example, who everybody thought would take Sewell the OT last April and instead they chose the WR and went last to first. Again, there's other stuff involved but its hard to argue that Chase isn't the guy making that team go right now. Similar story over at Miami with Waddle and their 7-game winning streak.

And I know it won't be popular with the fan base, but if I'm the new Giants' guy my first order of business is to finish the job with the skill positions. That was supposed to be the goal last but neither Golladay nor Toney have played much and haven't been healthy when they have played, but neither is a true #1 receiver or a legit deep threat. An I just think you have to add someone with that skill set with the first 2-3 picks.

And you can't win in the NFL without being able to rush the passer and even if Hutch and Thibo go 1-2 there are going to be some really good pass rushers with top ten grades. Again this is the team that coined the phrase 'you can never have enough people that can rush the passer' but hasn't taken a DE with a first round pick in over a decade!

At the same time, I am not going to rule out taking at OT in the first round. However, I don't believe you take an OT simply to upgrade the OL or because Solder and Peart aren't very good. You take an OT early because you want to be able to run 4- and 5-receiver sets and in order to do that you need to confident that your OTs can protect the edge. And good OTs are hard to find. One of the things I might consider would be use my 2-3-4 round picks in some fashion to trade for some veteran offensive linemen who might be a safer bet than relying on rookie draft picks.

Should be an interesting 3-4 months.
If Hamilton can also play LB on passing down  
Payasdaddy : 1/4/2022 1:25 pm : link
Along with deep safety, May be worth it
Of course he needs to be all pro level to justify
There are 4- 5 guys  
giantstock : 1/4/2022 1:25 pm : link
You can take ahead of Mathis. If Mathis is higher in value then trade down.
Probably should be a little more prudent in realizing that  
Jimmy Googs : 1/4/2022 1:29 pm : link
pre-draft blue chips are not the same subset of guys that are actual blue chips during their rookie years. The last couple years are good examples of that.

Also the theme that the blue chips will always run out before the Giants pick is also not the case.

just sayin' as we move quickly into draft discussions for 2022...
Until they figure out their identity as a team  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 1/4/2022 1:32 pm : link
and draft to that, it's a crapshoot.
RE: Impact versus need  
giantstock : 1/4/2022 1:33 pm : link
In comment 15529616 Colin@gbn said:
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Afternoon M.S,. Jon et al: Interesting discussion. I personally have no idea who the Giants will take with their early picks this but it is going to be really fascinating to see what direction the new G.M. wants to take the team. More particularly, how will they address the age old question of whether to use =your early picks to add impact players or to fill holes. If nothing else the new guy should feel like he's got a bit of time and doesn't have to force picks to win right away.

My guess is going into the draft that the Giants would love to come away with one of Hutchinson, Thibodeaux or Neal, but they're likely to be gone by #5 so what do you given that the other two blue-chip top 5 guys are DBs. Certainly Hamilton and Stngley are really good players. Hamilton is a big kid who can come and play LB on passing downs, but he's also really athletic with sideline-to-sideline range and the agility to cover wideouts if needed.

At the same time, though, when looking around the NFL these days what seems pretty clear is that all the top teams (maybe with the exception of Tennessee) have elite or near elite passing games and at least some ability to rush the passer and slow the other team's passing game down.

I look at Cincinnati, for example, who everybody thought would take Sewell the OT last April and instead they chose the WR and went last to first. Again, there's other stuff involved but its hard to argue that Chase isn't the guy making that team go right now. Similar story over at Miami with Waddle and their 7-game winning streak.

And I know it won't be popular with the fan base, but if I'm the new Giants' guy my first order of business is to finish the job with the skill positions. That was supposed to be the goal last but neither Golladay nor Toney have played much and haven't been healthy when they have played, but neither is a true #1 receiver or a legit deep threat. An I just think you have to add someone with that skill set with the first 2-3 picks.

And you can't win in the NFL without being able to rush the passer and even if Hutch and Thibo go 1-2 there are going to be some really good pass rushers with top ten grades. Again this is the team that coined the phrase 'you can never have enough people that can rush the passer' but hasn't taken a DE with a first round pick in over a decade!

At the same time, I am not going to rule out taking at OT in the first round. However, I don't believe you take an OT simply to upgrade the OL or because Solder and Peart aren't very good. You take an OT early because you want to be able to run 4- and 5-receiver sets and in order to do that you need to confident that your OTs can protect the edge. And good OTs are hard to find. One of the things I might consider would be use my 2-3-4 round picks in some fashion to trade for some veteran offensive linemen who might be a safer bet than relying on rookie draft picks.

Should be an interesting 3-4 months.


Cinci has Burrow - can't compare him vs teams that don't have a bonafide stud QB. What if you don't have the stud QB? And hopefully long-term Burrow will hold up. He is getting pretty beaten up, isn't he?

Miami has done nothing to emulate. They aren't making the playoffs again. Why use them as a model?
This was well said...  
Jimmy Googs : 1/4/2022 1:38 pm : link

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However, I don't believe you take an OT simply to upgrade the OL or because Solder and Peart aren't very good. You take an OT early because you want to be able to run 4- and 5-receiver sets and in order to do that you need to confident that your OTs can protect the edge. And good OTs are hard to find.
Hard pass on Hamilton  
LoveFootball : 1/4/2022 2:17 pm : link
Unless we trade down dramatically. Much more needs, many more talented professional football prospects.
Colin  
JonC : 1/4/2022 2:24 pm : link
I'm right there with you. Let's hope it's not simply an Abrams elevation before the most exciting time of the year for NYG fans, lol.
RE: Colin  
Sean : 1/4/2022 2:25 pm : link
In comment 15529732 JonC said:
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I'm right there with you. Let's hope it's not simply an Abrams elevation before the most exciting time of the year for NYG fans, lol.

Has everything been pretty tight lipped over at 1925 Giants Dr? Any tidbits at this point?
So far nothing new  
JonC : 1/4/2022 2:30 pm : link
I've heard Judge is expected to stay, and they want a GM who shares his vision. That's pretty vague tho, it could be someone from another team with ties to Judge, or it could be Abrams in the end. From the point of hire, the next move to watch is Jones and do they draft one with enough tools to compete with him.
RE: Hard pass on Hamilton  
Bear vs Shark : 1/4/2022 2:31 pm : link
In comment 15529716 LoveFootball said:
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Unless we trade down dramatically. Much more needs, many more talented professional football prospects.
I can at least see the thought process regarding need, but I've never heard anyone say Hamilton isn't a fantastic prospect and extremely talented
RE: So far nothing new  
Section331 : 1/4/2022 2:33 pm : link
In comment 15529739 JonC said:
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I've heard Judge is expected to stay, and they want a GM who shares his vision. That's pretty vague tho, it could be someone from another team with ties to Judge, or it could be Abrams in the end. From the point of hire, the next move to watch is Jones and do they draft one with enough tools to compete with him.


That is such backwards thinking. So they're giving Judge another year, and want to find a GM who aligns with JJ's philosophy, what happens if Judge craps out next year? Now you've got a GM you hired mostly because he shared JJ's philosophy. That doesn't sound too promising.
RE: So far nothing new  
Angel Eyes : 1/4/2022 2:35 pm : link
In comment 15529739 JonC said:
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I've heard Judge is expected to stay, and they want a GM who shares his vision. That's pretty vague tho, it could be someone from another team with ties to Judge, or it could be Abrams in the end. From the point of hire, the next move to watch is Jones and do they draft one with enough tools to compete with him.

What is Judge’s vision?
RE: So far nothing new  
Sean : 1/4/2022 2:36 pm : link
In comment 15529739 JonC said:
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I've heard Judge is expected to stay, and they want a GM who shares his vision. That's pretty vague tho, it could be someone from another team with ties to Judge, or it could be Abrams in the end. From the point of hire, the next move to watch is Jones and do they draft one with enough tools to compete with him.

Appreciate it as always Jon.
RE: RE: So far nothing new  
JonC : 1/4/2022 3:15 pm : link
In comment 15529747 Section331 said:
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In comment 15529739 JonC said:


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I've heard Judge is expected to stay, and they want a GM who shares his vision. That's pretty vague tho, it could be someone from another team with ties to Judge, or it could be Abrams in the end. From the point of hire, the next move to watch is Jones and do they draft one with enough tools to compete with him.



That is such backwards thinking. So they're giving Judge another year, and want to find a GM who aligns with JJ's philosophy, what happens if Judge craps out next year? Now you've got a GM you hired mostly because he shared JJ's philosophy. That doesn't sound too promising.


I'm in the same camp as you, I hate the half-measures approach and thought process. Thinking this way, they could say let's keep DG in place, punt the whole thing for one more year due to injuries, covid, and not being rash in making changes yet again.
For all those opposed to Hamilton  
Giants73 : 1/4/2022 3:21 pm : link
Last years draft LB was not a position of need for the Cowboys yet they followed their rankings and took Parsons who was an upgrade to Smith. But they already had Vander Eche and Smith on the team. As good as Parsons is, upgrading Logan Ryan with Hamilton is just as great of an upgrade.
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