Possible Giants insider tweet re: GM search

I wondered if the NFL world was too small and unique to have attention from professional search firms. I googled and found out it is not. The interview subject is still at Korn Ferry. Using an outside firm guarantees ownership looks beyond its current insular view.
2015 interview regarding headhunter searches - ( New Window )

The case for retaining Shurmur was much stronger than retaining Judge. At least with Shurmur he had experience getting the most out of QBs, developing a good offense, etc.

Fire Judge. The guy's a buffoon.

Y'all giving JJ heat...remember Mara thinks he's the next Parcells or BB, ya know...he's going to be one of the best coaches in NFL history.

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Judge has to go

In comment 15531777 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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If true. Could simply mean a outside guy who will play nice and work within the structure. Mara may not take heat in the media but his fan base is plenty disgusted and he knows that. Most want to hear the Mara’s are out of the football side and so and so is taking over. He is not fooling anyone and the last decade proves it.

It'll be a fake outsider like Scott Pioli then.

I said Maybe as paying another 2 year coach is a serious waste of $ but think about this. We won 2 SB's with Eli and then we draft an Eli lookalike from the Cutcliffe coached Duke team. The talent was not there but he looked the part. Everything was going to be as it was. Mara is a pollyanna no one can dispute that.

In comment 15531854 BrettNYG10 said:

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The case for retaining Shurmur was much stronger than retaining Judge. At least with Shurmur he had experience getting the most out of QBs, developing a good offense, etc. Fire Judge. The guy's a buffoon.

And Jones had a rookie season that could have been built on.

In comment 15531785 Go Terps said:

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He’s hedging his bet that there are more dumb ass fans than knowledgeable fans. As long as there are more dumb ones…. He will do half measures and band aid this gaping wound…

That’s why no one should go to this last game. Don’t sell your ticket… just leave an empty seat. That will get Maras attention

I think financial is a part of it. It could cost tens of millions to make some of the changes we want. The franchise is worth 4.3 billion but they have half and there’s 11 Mara’s. Plus they laid out a lot of money this past offseason.

Retaining Abrams and retaining Judge. Chris Mara retained… Pettit too I’m sure. We have an awful owner and a garbage staff.

It’s easy for us fans to say tear it down, but he’s committed a lot to Judge:

-The day he was introduced, he calls out that it was the most impressive interview he’s been a part of.
-He says the day he was introduced, he has the responsibility to be more patient this time around.
-The general consensus around Judge was VERY optimistic after the first year despite being 6-10. Fans mostly loved him. Go back to BBI last winter/spring - the talk was giving Judge MORE influence.
-I don’t doubt that he had influence in the draft room when it came to trading down multiple times.
-Mara allowed Judge to go over budget for his staff.
-It was just last July he was on the coaches podcast with Sean McVay and he was thought highly of.

Fast forward to January 2022 and everyone wants him fired. I get that this is a tough call for Mara, he has to be floored it has turned out this way. Most of BBI would be too.

In comment 15531832 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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John Mara might be the worst owner in NY sports. And that is saying something.

Daniel Snyder says hi.

and make certain that Mara knows Half ass measures won't be tolerated by the fans/paying customers.

I agree with a lot of your thoughts but things change sometimes and you have to respond. The wrong decisions now can still have a impact years down the road. It’s also a dangerous message you send to the players and others in the organization regarding accountability.

What would make me feel better is knowing his thoughts on DJ, SB to start. What draft selections was he in favor of. What was his involvement in FA. What his plan for staff adjustments on offense? Mara would know these answers and that should be considered.

The biggest issue I see it is very rare to have two years with negative results trending the wrong way and recovering to big success. Vermeil is the only one I can think of.

Is he telling the new GM that Judge stays regardless, or is Judge staying until the new GM decides if he wants him and dthe GM has the authority to fire him if he sees fit?

Doesn’t have to be beholden to the Mara’s or some organizational deep state. If the new GM is smart he can tell everyone to go fuck themselves and build the team the way he wants to. Ultimately, it will be the GM’s head on the chopping block in 3-4 years if it doesn’t work out, not the Mara’s.

You’re right about Vermeil. What’s funny is he did it twice, with the Eagles in the 70s and the Rams in the 90s. Pretty remarkable.

But I don’t see how the 22 Giants will fit the script and allow Judge to gain some momentum. Especially because he looks like he’s melting down. I think Sean is right about Matt Patricia being the right comp.

was there a typo? It says Mara knows he can't retain Judge and promote Abrahams and then goes on to say he'll retain Judge and Abrahams..?

In comment 15531917 WillVAB said:

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Doesn’t have to be beholden to the Mara’s or some organizational deep state. If the new GM is smart he can tell everyone to go fuck themselves and build the team the way he wants to. Ultimately, it will be the GM’s head on the chopping block in 3-4 years if it doesn’t work out, not the Mara’s.

I tend to agree with this. I also think Gettleman was making the calls in 2018 & 2019 primarily, and he probably has lost power recently.

Gad just kept his mouth shut during the season, we would have accepted a third year from him, despite the inadequacies and ineptness we’ve seen.
But the man seems genuinely unstable and à certifiable liar. He embarrasses himself and the organization every time he opens his mouth. Not acceptable

would suck. They've all got to go.

In comment 15531922 Dave on the UWS said:

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Gad just kept his mouth shut during the season, we would have accepted a third year from him, despite the inadequacies and ineptness we’ve seen. But the man seems genuinely unstable and à certifiable liar. He embarrasses himself and the organization every time he opens his mouth. Not acceptable

Oh I agree. I just have to think Mara has to be absolutely stunned with these developments.

Came out exonerating Abrams, I knew that meant he was Teflon Don.

I really have no hope for this franchise right now.

I was just pointing out how rare it is and I am not in favor of retention. Vermeil had also won a Rose Bowl at UCLA so at least he had a body of work and accomplishment as HC.

Sean made good points of what Mara may be thinking. I was pointing out how difficult it is from a historical perspective and some other considerations.

Are we listening to some random Twitter account?

Having to keep Judge and Abrams.

In comment 15531930 cokeduplt said:

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Are we listening to some random Twitter account?

Evidently trial balloons are being launched all over. So get on board and start hammering away.

In comment 15531932 US1 Giants said:

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Having to keep Judge and Abrams.

I would edit your statement by one word - remove "new" add "quality".

...people have been quoting this guy yet haven't scrolled through his tweets and run with the very first one.

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In comment 15531785 Go Terps said: Quote: . I've never met the man, but I don't think he's the sharpest tool in the shed.

He is a smart man who fell victim to groupthink. And the worst part is he doesn't know that he is part of a groupthink.

Proposed in that tweet is more incremental, reactivity that will likely lead to further clown-show results. What is needed is organizational transformation - keep the Mara family out of the draft war room and lock the door - give the GM powers over coaching, personnel managers and scouts. Weed out the long tenured, under performing cronies.

In comment 15531919 darren in pdx said:

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was there a typo? It says Mara knows he can't retain Judge and promote Abrahams and then goes on to say he'll retain Judge and Abrahams..?

No typo. Mara wants to keep Judge and promote Abrams to the GM position but he can't do the latter. So Judge stays, Abrams remain in the same position and an outside GM is hired.

In comment 15531941 Ryan said:

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...people have been quoting this guy yet haven't scrolled through his tweets and run with the very first one.

Lol. Figured his first tweet would be bigger news.

Changing HC and GM and not cleaning house is the definition of insanity.

Something really wrong with the minds of the owners. They must be delusional if they believe the fans have not figured out they are the problem.

In comment 15531922 Dave on the UWS said:

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Gad just kept his mouth shut during the season, we would have accepted a third year from him, despite the inadequacies and ineptness we’ve seen. But the man seems genuinely unstable and à certifiable liar. He embarrasses himself and the organization every time he opens his mouth. Not acceptable

IDK. The on field product is worse than what McAdoo (before his mid season firing) or Shurmur was producing at this point. While that rant was really problematic, it’s the results that are the issue. Even if I grant the excuse that Gettleman’s roster is the biggest problem, Judge has done an abominable job in the things he’s completely in control of.

As for Mara, he seems to want to correct old mistakes by making a new mistake. I don’t think retaining Judge for one year is quite the hindrance to finding a new GM that others do, but why make any decisions before starting the process? It reeks of not learning any lessons from this entire debacle.

Gettleman's gone; Abrams's on shaky ground; he'll hire a new GM from the outside.

He'll tell the new guy how he feels, but give him the authority to do anything the new hire wants.

In comment 15531961 Manny in CA said:

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Gettleman's gone; Abrams's on shaky ground; he'll hire a new GM from the outside. He'll tell the new guy how he feels, but give him the authority to do anything the new hire wants.

I tend to agree, or at least hope this is how it plays out. Schefter essentially said the same thing on Ranaans podcast.

Vacchiano mentioned how it may be difficult to hire a new GM and then try to hire a new HC after that, just due to the logistics of it. Which some others have mentioned here.

he wants to make bad choices, but the fans are forcing him to make good decisions.

Then, compound his mistake by telling the next GM ..

"hey, I want you to come in here and run things, BUT you need to keep the coach. Dont worry, if the team does not improve, we will keep you beyond your expiration date because it was our decision to select your coach for you."

In comment 15531854 BrettNYG10 said:

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The case for retaining Shurmur was much stronger than retaining Judge. At least with Shurmur he had experience getting the most out of QBs, developing a good offense, etc. Fire Judge. The guy's a buffoon.

agreed. he's horrific. just talk with no actual plan or identity. just a horrible phony bullshit lying loser. Shurmur's team won 2 of 3 to end season and Jones looked like a top 10 QB. His regression is squarely on Judge and his pathetic staff.

But the new GM works with Judge, it’s another 1/2 measure for the Mara clan to maintain control.
And a threat to outdo 64-80.

I could be wrong.
Nah!

Lol. Who is going to hire this salary cap expert as a GM. Our cap situation is horrendous. Maybe Enron needs a new CFO.

That’s insane. 1 coach for two players.

The 1970 Giants had maybe 6-7 coaches.

What would you say your biggest strengths

“Well the standard ones you want in a GM. Bootlicking, rubber stamping, vague expertise without much demonstrated results. Willingness to be scape goated or steamrolled completely. I’m the total package.”

Yeah well… We are looking for skills like scouting, technology systems.

“People tell me I’m smart and the head of innovation that works for me is way above average at overseeing physical abuse of other employees”

Is this really how you were evaluated at your last job?

“Culture is everything for us. We are a classy, no excuses bunch. We’d have had the most wins in the NFL while I was assistant GM if it wasn’t for COVID, Y2K, 9/11 was really hard on everyone. Our fans were the meanest. Our players were always getting injured. I was never really given a chance to spread my wings and fly but you know, sometimes that happens when your surrounded by brilliant, nice, spectacular and beautiful Eagles. Soaring to glory, always.”

You are aware you were the only team in the last 4 years to never have a winning record?

***Abrams now rocking back and forth muttering to himself*** “So smart, so smart and glorious. All the players call me and tell me how smart we are… and classy, smart and classy. You can do this Kevin, John told you this might happen. Just stick to your guns. ***He now pulls out his finger guns*** Pew… Pew… Pew… …”

I think Gettleman's judgment (stupidity) is the problem. Not to say better scouts won't be turned away, just saying Gettleman's free agent signings and draft decisions were for the most part disastrous.

just load the buggy......the great John madden had this wisdom.......nyg need a franchise saving GM to clean house....with extreme prejudice. its a full on, juggernaut of a shit show that needs a relentless power wash.

In comment 15531770 Go Terps said:

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"Heh heh heh heh, clowns are funny."

But let's keep in mind that it could be, you know, total bullshit.

In comment 15532056 santacruzom said:

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But let's keep in mind that it could be, you know, total bullshit.

his plan was to promote Abrams. Hopefully it's true and the heat is being felt to the extent wider changes are made.