can maximize the offensive talent on this team after an underachieving 2021. I do not know much about him a s acoach but hoping he can take this offense to a higher level. The talent is certainly there.
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Former Mets executive Zack Scott has been found not guilty of driving while intoxicated and not guilty of the lesser charge of driving while ability impaired in White Plains city court this morning.
Tim Britton
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Former Mets executive Zack Scott has been found not guilty of driving while intoxicated and not guilty of the lesser charge of driving while ability impaired in White Plains city court this morning.
This was the expected verdict. Below is an article from a few weeks ago, noting that this was expected:
"During the trial, Bendish argued that Scott didn't fail the standard field sobriety tests. And as seen on the bodycam footage shown during the trial, it did not indicate a person was intoxicated, as White Plains City Court judge Eric Press said. Press went onto note that Scott was basically parked in a lane of traffic when approached by the authorities."
"The prosecution's entire case was built off the bodycam footage as well as the testimony of two witnesses, the arresting officer Frank Confalone and sergeant John Guastella, both whom work for the White Plains Police Department."
in MA you either take a breathalyzer which if you pass you get let go, you fail you go to jail, or you refuse the breathalyzer in which case you are considered guilty and lose your license for a year. Not guilty of DUI per se, but of refusing to take a breathalyzer (and based on the field tests you may get a DUI still)
in MA you either take a breathalyzer which if you pass you get let go, you fail you go to jail, or you refuse the breathalyzer in which case you are considered guilty and lose your license for a year. Not guilty of DUI per se, but of refusing to take a breathalyzer (and based on the field tests you may get a DUI still)
Per the article: "Scott refused to take a chemical test to determine his blood-alcohol concentration, something Press described as a "major thing," with a negative tone behind it."
From a google search, I believe NY's law is different. Assuming by chemical test, they mean breathalyzer, a refusal to submit to a breathalyer results in a fine and a suspension of your license for a year. You can still separately be charged with DUI.
Per a criminal defense attorney's website, there are certain factors that must be met. I don't think the last two would apply here. But perhaps the arresting officer did not follow the first. Or Scott already lost his license as it was met. I don't know enough about those aspects, but it does appear that NY does not have the presumption of guilt based on a refusal of breathalyzer that some states do.
-By law, the arresting officer must make it clear that your license will be revoked if you refuse the test. In fact, police are required to (a) read this from a script and (b) state it twice. If this protocol was not followed, it may be possible to have your driving privileges restored, or even to get the charges dismissed.
-Police must measure your BAC within two hours of your arrest. During that period, you must be allowed to contact a lawyer, but only if you request it. If more than two hours passed or if you were prevented from getting legal advice, the refusal charge may not stand.
-Did the officer have probable cause to pull you over in the first place? If not, the drunk driving and Breathalyzer refusal charges may go away completely.
Don't know how good or bad of a choice he is, but he's long been regarded as a very smart baseball guy. Could go either way with a high profile ex-player. I assume they bring in an assistant HC as well.
a year ago scott thought he was going to build an analytics team
boy did things end up going in an unexpected direction for him. i think the org is better off with Eppler but feel for Scott given that he was thrust into a spotlight he just wasn't ready for. Hopefully like his statement said he's better on the other side of all this if/when he gets another shot (which he should at a non-GM level). I'd guess Boston scoops him up again.
Chavez seems like a perfectly acceptable hire. Assume there will be others on the staff with some of the other qualities necessary to prepare hitters but Chavez is i'm sure respected/liked by players and has had a nice diversity of experiences since retiring as a player. hitting is such an individual thing the first rules of hitting coaches should probably just be do no harm and be a good cheerleader. I'd expect Chavez should have a clear understanding of that perspective as well as the get on base mentality.
Don't know how good or bad of a choice he is, but he's long been regarded as a very smart baseball guy. Could go either way with a high profile ex-player. I assume they bring in an assistant HC as well.
Agreed it could go either way. Though I did like Chavez' approach to hitting as a player. He had good pop, but didn't have a crazy amount of strikeouts, and could work the count. Though the same could be said of Chili Davis...
I actually thought Chili had a mostly positive impact
there were obviously also some personnel changes (Alonso) that had a big impact from 2019 on but if you look back at it 2019 and 2020 were clearly the best seasons by the results (though 2020 certainly has an asterisk since it was the short year and Chili wasn't even there).
2018 - 9th in NL RC, 14 in NL BA
2019 - 2nd in NL RC, t-5th in NL BA
2020 - 1st in NL RC, 1st in NL BA
2021 - 8th in NL RC, 10th in NL BA
Chili was also clearly at least a little confrontational and hostile to any changes from the new regime, which is probably why he's been fired so frequently and never made it more than 3 seasons as a hitting coach anywhere. Moving on from him may have been justified but credit where it's due.
Net-net if Chavez has a similar approach but also more open minded with better people skills, then that sounds like a logical hire.
and whatever the price it might be wiser to just wait to buy a reliever in the middle of a good year for the stretch run at the deadline vs. guessing now.
there's enough out there in FA to build depth necessary for the regular season.
RE: I actually thought Chili had a mostly positive impact
there were obviously also some personnel changes (Alonso) that had a big impact from 2019 on but if you look back at it 2019 and 2020 were clearly the best seasons by the results (though 2020 certainly has an asterisk since it was the short year and Chili wasn't even there).
2018 - 9th in NL RC, 14 in NL BA
2019 - 2nd in NL RC, t-5th in NL BA
2020 - 1st in NL RC, 1st in NL BA
2021 - 8th in NL RC, 10th in NL BA
Chili was also clearly at least a little confrontational and hostile to any changes from the new regime, which is probably why he's been fired so frequently and never made it more than 3 seasons as a hitting coach anywhere. Moving on from him may have been justified but credit where it's due.
Net-net if Chavez has a similar approach but also more open minded with better people skills, then that sounds like a logical hire.
No issues with Chili his first three years. Last year, there were way too many players who had horrid years: McNeil, Conforto, Dom. Don't know if it was Chili, or who if anyone was to blame. But I would look beyond the numbers for last year.
imagine a combo of McHugh/Tepera would cost much more than the 16 million Kimbrel is owed and Ginn/Lee? Hard pass. Let's not forget Kimbrel looked shot in 2019 and stunk with the White Sox, he's about to be 34. Salary dump? Sure.
imagine a combo of McHugh/Tepera would cost much more than the 16 million Kimbrel is owed and Ginn/Lee? Hard pass. Let's not forget Kimbrel looked shot in 2019 and stunk with the White Sox, he's about to be 34. Salary dump? Sure.
I'm not saying I would do it, but I don't see that as a horrid proposal. You'd be getting Kimbrel for the entire year. Lee was terrible hitting in the majors. Will he ever be anything? And Ginn is what, a 4 or 5 at best?
Again, not saying I would do it, but I would think that's what the cost would be, and I wouldn't see it as a terrible trade.
imagine a combo of McHugh/Tepera would cost much more than the 16 million Kimbrel is owed and Ginn/Lee? Hard pass. Let's not forget Kimbrel looked shot in 2019 and stunk with the White Sox, he's about to be 34. Salary dump? Sure.
I'm not saying I would do it, but I don't see that as a horrid proposal. You'd be getting Kimbrel for the entire year. Lee was terrible hitting in the majors. Will he ever be anything? And Ginn is what, a 4 or 5 at best?
Again, not saying I would do it, but I would think that's what the cost would be, and I wouldn't see it as a terrible trade.
Why is Ginn a "4 or 5 at best"? MLB.com
"Ginn shows three promising pitches when he is the mound. The fastball sits 91-95 mph and comes with a good amount of sink and life, pushing the grade up a touch. He can also touch as high as 97 with the offering when he rears back. The mid-80s slider draws promising reviews for its ability to move over two planes and is a weapon in its own right. The changeup was developing and showed promising signs with some sink of its own. Ginn still features some violence in his delivery, but is much improved in that department since his high school days. His control wasn’t an issue prior to the surgery after he walked only 5.7 percent of the batters he faced at Mississippi State.
Results have been as hoped for Ginn coming into 2021. He was touching 95 mph again on the radar gun and still throwing plenty of strikes in early looks at Low-A and High-A. He's continuing to get stretched out in Brooklyn, but he appears to be right back on the track that made him such a big name in the 2020 Draft in the first place."
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Post TJS, Ginn has so far lived 91-94 with his sinker, but started to reach for more 5's and 6's in his last two starts of the summer. A good harbinger for a full velo rebound to his 93-96 t.97 amateur velo band.
Yes, Ginn gets grounders with the sink and run he gets on his...
Doug
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...so far that's a winning bet.
Next, the slider is plus at the next level and Ginn commands it well glove-side with plenty of depth.
Finally, the word is the changeup is coming along, giving Ginn the mix and command to be on track for a big league starter.
The pick is...
Doug
@FTLO_Baseball
...looking good to me now and if '22 brings mid 90s heat and success at double-A, we're going to see Ginn's name blow up on national rankings.
Duquette with a horrid trade proposal. Ginn and Lee for Kimbrel.
Horrid for the Mets?
Yes. Horrid for the Mets. 2 top prospects in the system and taking on 16 million in salary for a 34 year old who was awful with the White Sox? Pass.
Counterpoint: Ginn and especially Lee are only "top" prospects for the Mets because they don't have any depth in the system. Kimbrel was awful for the White Sox, yes. But overall last season, he still gave up only about a hit every two innings. He would be returning to the NL, where he had an 0.49 ERA with the Cubs last year in 36 games, with 13 hits given up in 36.2 innings, with 64 Ks.
I don't see Lee or Ginn as part of the Mets future. I don't see where they have much more trade value than a Kimbrel.
imagine a combo of McHugh/Tepera would cost much more than the 16 million Kimbrel is owed and Ginn/Lee? Hard pass. Let's not forget Kimbrel looked shot in 2019 and stunk with the White Sox, he's about to be 34. Salary dump? Sure.
I'm not saying I would do it, but I don't see that as a horrid proposal. You'd be getting Kimbrel for the entire year. Lee was terrible hitting in the majors. Will he ever be anything? And Ginn is what, a 4 or 5 at best?
Again, not saying I would do it, but I would think that's what the cost would be, and I wouldn't see it as a terrible trade.
Why is Ginn a "4 or 5 at best"? MLB.com
"Ginn shows three promising pitches when he is the mound. The fastball sits 91-95 mph and comes with a good amount of sink and life, pushing the grade up a touch. He can also touch as high as 97 with the offering when he rears back. The mid-80s slider draws promising reviews for its ability to move over two planes and is a weapon in its own right. The changeup was developing and showed promising signs with some sink of its own. Ginn still features some violence in his delivery, but is much improved in that department since his high school days. His control wasn’t an issue prior to the surgery after he walked only 5.7 percent of the batters he faced at Mississippi State.
Results have been as hoped for Ginn coming into 2021. He was touching 95 mph again on the radar gun and still throwing plenty of strikes in early looks at Low-A and High-A. He's continuing to get stretched out in Brooklyn, but he appears to be right back on the track that made him such a big name in the 2020 Draft in the first place."
Maybe a 3. Do you see him as a top of the rotation starter?
not even a huge Khalil Lee guy but to judge anything regarding his ability to hit on... 18 AB's... yes, Khalil Lee had 18 ab's in the majors in 2021 (4 starts). He posted a .951 OPS in AAA. You don't give away a good SP prospect and a potential 4th OF for a 34 year old RP owed 16 million. Kimbrel 4.56 FIP with the White Sox, 3.97 in 2020 (and hurt) and 8.00... yes 8.00 in 2019. Completely dominant 36 innings with the Cubs before the trade, otherwise red flags galore.
Duquette with a horrid trade proposal. Ginn and Lee for Kimbrel.
Horrid for the Mets?
Yes. Horrid for the Mets. 2 top prospects in the system and taking on 16 million in salary for a 34 year old who was awful with the White Sox? Pass.
Counterpoint: Ginn and especially Lee are only "top" prospects for the Mets because they don't have any depth in the system. Kimbrel was awful for the White Sox, yes. But overall last season, he still gave up only about a hit every two innings. He would be returning to the NL, where he had an 0.49 ERA with the Cubs last year in 36 games, with 13 hits given up in 36.2 innings, with 64 Ks.
I don't see Lee or Ginn as part of the Mets future. I don't see where they have much more trade value than a Kimbrel.
not even a huge Khalil Lee guy but to judge anything regarding his ability to hit on... 18 AB's... yes, Khalil Lee had 18 ab's in the majors in 2021 (4 starts). He posted a .951 OPS in AAA. You don't give away a good SP prospect and a potential 4th OF for a 34 year old RP owed 16 million. Kimbrel 4.56 FIP with the White Sox, 3.97 in 2020 (and hurt) and 8.00... yes 8.00 in 2019. Completely dominant 36 innings with the Cubs before the trade, otherwise red flags galore.
I like Lee. Probably more than you. And I like Ginn. But I don't think that's a horrid trade proposal. I think it would take a similar package. The difference is with the Mets it's their 5th and 8th ranked prospects.
With teams with a strong farm system, they would be their 10th and 25th ranked players.
Again, I'm not saying I would do the trade. I'd rather they throw money at relievers like you said. I just think that value-wise, that's not as bad a trade as you are making it out to be. I think it would take a similar package to get Kimbrel.
do not see Ginn as a likely #1 or #2 no. But he doesn't have to be to provide major value (including to the 2022 Mets). For a debut season coming off of TJ he was impressive. 64% ground ball% in A+
not even a huge Khalil Lee guy but to judge anything regarding his ability to hit on... 18 AB's... yes, Khalil Lee had 18 ab's in the majors in 2021 (4 starts). He posted a .951 OPS in AAA. You don't give away a good SP prospect and a potential 4th OF for a 34 year old RP owed 16 million. Kimbrel 4.56 FIP with the White Sox, 3.97 in 2020 (and hurt) and 8.00... yes 8.00 in 2019. Completely dominant 36 innings with the Cubs before the trade, otherwise red flags galore.
I like Lee. Probably more than you. And I like Ginn. But I don't think that's a horrid trade proposal. I think it would take a similar package. The difference is with the Mets it's their 5th and 8th ranked prospects.
With teams with a strong farm system, they would be their 10th and 25th ranked players.
Again, I'm not saying I would do the trade. I'd rather they throw money at relievers like you said. I just think that value-wise, that's not as bad a trade as you are making it out to be. I think it would take a similar package to get Kimbrel.
Very few teams have a JT Ginn as a #10 prospect. He was a lock 1st round pick and then had TJ. How many teams have a guy like that as their #10 prospect coming off a solid first year back? And how many teams are taking on a 16 million dollar RP? The Angels traded NOTHING for Iglesias last season. Off-season RP's offer very little trade value.
Nick Plummer, who the Mets picked up after being dumped by the Cardinals is the Mets 9th ranked prospect. While I do think he is an intriguing player, that just indicates how shallow the system is.
how much higher are you on Khalil lee when you're saying he's a "#25 prospect" in a system? lol. I said he has 4th OF upside. how many systems have 25 such upside players WITh a track record of success? Lee might have his flaws but his wRC+ by season... 149, 125, 136, 92, 112, 162. ONCE in his career has he posted a walk % below 10% (9.3)
Nick Plummer, who the Mets picked up after being dumped by the Cardinals is the Mets 9th ranked prospect. While I do think he is an intriguing player, that just indicates how shallow the system is.
Nick Plummer looked like a complete bust in 2019 posting an 88 wRC+ as an overage (22) player in A+ with a 33% k rate. For comparisons sake (Lee who obviously strikes out a ton) was 20 in A+ and posted a 136 wRC+ and a 24% k rate. I don't know that Lee will be better than Plummer but Plummer looked like an NP after his 2019 season.
RE: RE: I actually thought Chili had a mostly positive impact
No issues with Chili his first three years. Last year, there were way too many players who had horrid years: McNeil, Conforto, Dom. Don't know if it was Chili, or who if anyone was to blame. But I would look beyond the numbers for last year.
Chilli started in '19 so he was hitting coach for the equivalent of 1 full season in person and a 1/3 of a season remote prior to 2021 when he got fired on May 4th.
His 19 + 20 though did have some notable hitting achievements:
- Dom broke out from prior struggles as a below avg hitter
- Copnforto/McNeil/Nimmo each had 2 strong years
- Rosario had his best year in 2019 raising his BA to .282
- JDD broke out and had an especially big year in 2019 (and he was a guy who needed adjustments when he was acquired)
He also was fortunate to start at the same time Alonso debuted, not sure anyone deserves any credit for how well he performed right away - he's just a monster.
But most who remained of the above regressed last year amidst the conflict of philosophy that led to Chili getting fired 1 month in - specifically Dom, McNeil, Conforto.
I don't absolve Chili of any blame in that but I do think if this were a binary choice between the philosophies deployed in 19/20 under chili and whatever the opposing philosophy was in 21 I'd choose the former.
not even a huge Khalil Lee guy but to judge anything regarding his ability to hit on... 18 AB's... yes, Khalil Lee had 18 ab's in the majors in 2021 (4 starts). He posted a .951 OPS in AAA. You don't give away a good SP prospect and a potential 4th OF for a 34 year old RP owed 16 million. Kimbrel 4.56 FIP with the White Sox, 3.97 in 2020 (and hurt) and 8.00... yes 8.00 in 2019. Completely dominant 36 innings with the Cubs before the trade, otherwise red flags galore.
I like Lee. Probably more than you. And I like Ginn. But I don't think that's a horrid trade proposal. I think it would take a similar package. The difference is with the Mets it's their 5th and 8th ranked prospects.
With teams with a strong farm system, they would be their 10th and 25th ranked players.
Again, I'm not saying I would do the trade. I'd rather they throw money at relievers like you said. I just think that value-wise, that's not as bad a trade as you are making it out to be. I think it would take a similar package to get Kimbrel.
Very few teams have a JT Ginn as a #10 prospect. He was a lock 1st round pick and then had TJ. How many teams have a guy like that as their #10 prospect coming off a solid first year back? And how many teams are taking on a 16 million dollar RP? The Angels traded NOTHING for Iglesias last season. Off-season RP's offer very little trade value.
Just going on MLB.com's prospect rankings, Dodgers and Rays 9th ranked players are both 50 prospects. Depending on whether they like Ginn better than those, he could be 10.
Obviously the Rays wouldn't take on the money.
I was estimating when I said 10. But looking at the lists, it would likely be more around 8 for a lot of teams with good depth. I just don't think it's too outlandish of a deal.
Fangraphs had Plummer outside the Cardinals to 40 prospects with the note
"Nick Plummer, OF
We liked Plummer in high school but multiple hand surgeries have derailed the early stages of a career that was already likely to start slowly due to his background (he was a Michigan high schooler who only saw good pitching during the summer). Pro scouts don’t consider him a prospect, but we’re keeping an eye on him because of his pedigree."
Maybe he figured something out in 2021 but it's very, very uncommon for legit prospects to be allowed to hit FA (which happened with the Cardinals). He'll be 26 years old in July, 2 full years older than Lee
Rays system was described as "historically deep" as of a few months ago. We all know the Mets system is nowhere, nowhere near that. FG's gave Lee a 45 grade, for comparisons sake they also gave Pete Crow-Armstrong a 45
Fangraphs had Plummer outside the Cardinals to 40 prospects with the note
"Nick Plummer, OF
We liked Plummer in high school but multiple hand surgeries have derailed the early stages of a career that was already likely to start slowly due to his background (he was a Michigan high schooler who only saw good pitching during the summer). Pro scouts don’t consider him a prospect, but we’re keeping an eye on him because of his pedigree."
Maybe he figured something out in 2021 but it's very, very uncommon for legit prospects to be allowed to hit FA (which happened with the Cardinals). He'll be 26 years old in July, 2 full years older than Lee
I know he was dumped by the Cards. He's now the Mets 9th prospect. That was my point.
Fangraphs had Plummer outside the Cardinals to 40 prospects with the note
"Nick Plummer, OF
We liked Plummer in high school but multiple hand surgeries have derailed the early stages of a career that was already likely to start slowly due to his background (he was a Michigan high schooler who only saw good pitching during the summer). Pro scouts don’t consider him a prospect, but we’re keeping an eye on him because of his pedigree."
Maybe he figured something out in 2021 but it's very, very uncommon for legit prospects to be allowed to hit FA (which happened with the Cardinals). He'll be 26 years old in July, 2 full years older than Lee
I know he was dumped by the Cards. He's now the Mets 9th prospect. That was my point.
Plummer really has nothing to do with Lee. Lee may turn out a total bust and a NP but he's had 18 MLB AB's and mashed in AAA (even with the noted inflated BABIP and high K%). Teams do not give up 2 "top 10" prospects in their system including a guy that went first round, got hurt and still went second round with a high bonus, had a strong/solid debut season for a 34 year old RP making big money coming off a poor second half and poor recent history (2019, 2020 with a very strong first half 2021). It would be beyond unusual. Again, Iglesias was moved to LAA for nothing.
GB% was eye-opening level good. 57.7 in a-ball, 64.1 in A+. Guess how many big leaguers had better gb% in 2021? That would be 0. Luis Castillo led the league 56.6 Link - ( New Window )
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One big reason the Mets haven't officially announced any of the coaching additions yet: "Very thorough" background checks for everybody.
2:22
Odds that the season starts on time?
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12:22
I'm actually 70/30 in favor
And I'll tell you why
It's a mess right now, but on a fundamental level, they're not so far apart on things.
12:23
So I think it's longer than ideal to get serious
but then when talks become actually serious, it starts quickly
well, goes quickly
Deesha
@DeeshaThosar
To clear the air: Mets were considering Eric Chavez to become their bench coach before deciding he's a better fit as hitting coach, per sources. The team now intends to name a younger, analytics-driven individual as its bench coach.
An industry talent evaluator said on the condition of anonymity that Elian Soto is not regarded as “premium” a talent as was his brother, who received a $1.5 million signing bonus from the Nationals in 2015.
Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
Edgardo Alfonzo has reached out to the Mets hoping for a return in a coaching or player development capacity, but hasn't received any indication the organization is interested in rehiring him. Alfonzo still makes occasional appearances at Citi Field as a club ambassador.
i heard this from someone directly involved 6 weeks ago
2:22
Odds that the season starts on time?
AvatarDan Szymborski
12:22
I'm actually 70/30 in favor
And I'll tell you why
It's a mess right now, but on a fundamental level, they're not so far apart on things.
12:23
So I think it's longer than ideal to get serious
but then when talks become actually serious, it starts quickly
well, goes quickly
Passan wrote a good article yesterday where he polled a bunch of people on all sides (GMs, agents, even an owner) and had a list of common sense compromises that seem very likely to be where the CBA ends up going.
I don't see the same players racing to get deals signed in the old CBA being enthusiastic about missing paychecks. And unlike 2020 the owners can't comfortably sit back without fear of losing revenue as they did when there were no fans.
when it happens who knows but i think it gets done without missing games.
Fangraphs had Plummer outside the Cardinals to 40 prospects with the note
"Nick Plummer, OF
We liked Plummer in high school but multiple hand surgeries have derailed the early stages of a career that was already likely to start slowly due to his background (he was a Michigan high schooler who only saw good pitching during the summer). Pro scouts don’t consider him a prospect, but we’re keeping an eye on him because of his pedigree."
Maybe he figured something out in 2021 but it's very, very uncommon for legit prospects to be allowed to hit FA (which happened with the Cardinals). He'll be 26 years old in July, 2 full years older than Lee
I know he was dumped by the Cards. He's now the Mets 9th prospect. That was my point.
Plummer really has nothing to do with Lee. Lee may turn out a total bust and a NP but he's had 18 MLB AB's and mashed in AAA (even with the noted inflated BABIP and high K%). Teams do not give up 2 "top 10" prospects in their system including a guy that went first round, got hurt and still went second round with a high bonus, had a strong/solid debut season for a 34 year old RP making big money coming off a poor second half and poor recent history (2019, 2020 with a very strong first half 2021). It would be beyond unusual. Again, Iglesias was moved to LAA for nothing.
I agree the Mets won't be doing it. Because it is two top 10 prospects in THEIR system, and they have Cohen so they have plenty of money to burn. Though my estimations may have turned out to be a bit of hyperbole, Ginn and especially Lee would not be near the prospect ranking for teams with a deep farm. My point was that I don't think the value is too crazy.
An industry talent evaluator said on the condition of anonymity that Elian Soto is not regarded as “premium” a talent as was his brother, who received a $1.5 million signing bonus from the Nationals in 2015.
For what it's worth, Vlad Jr. claims the following: Vladimir Guerrero Jr. told Hector Gomez that Elian, who played in 2021 at the age of 15, hits the ball "harder than Juan Soto when he was 15 years old."
More importantly, Juan Soto is a FA in 3 years, brother will be 18 then. Elian would be a huge get for the Mets. I seem to recall Soto also intimating something about NY. Mets have as good a chance as any at landing him. Juan will be 26. Contract will be insane.
interview with Chavez from last month Link - ( New Window )
Great interview. This is a hell of a quote. Couldn't agree more about not throwing at bats away. Also the connection to Long seems notable given how well he was thought of here.
Quote:
When I left Oakland, as much as I performed and especially at the offensive level where I was very streaky, hot and cold. I threw away too many at-bats. There wasn’t enough quality at bats. You’re going into a slump and you just disappear for two weeks. It’s like, man, you may not have to feel your best, but at least you could get more quality at-bats. The biggest bridge was when I left Oakland and I went to New York,. I left Oakland as s a productive player and had some injuries, and I knew I had to reinvent myself. But when I went to New York, obviously being the backup, I said, ‘Where are these adjustments going to come from? How are you really going to change that?’ I just simplified things. It went from not really having an idea of what I was doing at the play to really studying with Kevin Long and talking about it and understanding how the body works and understanding what makes you successful at the plate. There was just a whole lot of mental stuff that when I left Oakland to go to New York that — I just had to mature as a player. I had to be different because the injuries took away my physical tools. So where was I going to make the jump to be competitive in this league?Literally, this is what I told myself: The most important thing for me is to give Joe Girardi four quality at-bats. Before I think as a hitter was, I was like, ‘Man, I need to I need to drive in runs. I need to hit doubles. I need to hit home runs. I just totally changed my mental preparation as far as what I wanted to accomplish. I told myself, defensively, just make every single routine (play) you possibly can make. If great plays and exciting plays come, that’s great. But I really just focused on slowing the game down it started with a mental commitment to that. You can talk about it. A lot of the phrases are cliche, but I committed to it. And then I really saw the results. I really felt like I was a better player as a backup because of where my head was mentally. The physical tools were gone. The injuries took over. I couldn’t play more than three or four days in a row. But I just committed to those simple things and I just realized how powerful the mind was, and then kind of transitioning into working with players over the last five or six years. I just saw how important it was.
what is perhaps even more notable is that it's not just talk, in his age 34 season with the Yankees he posted the highest rc of his career over 313 plate appearances.
I missed 04. And honestly it wasn't really intended to say that Chavez got better or had his best year - there were a bunch of other years where he posted better BA or SLG% or K/BB rates - more that it's impressive he found a way to adapt productively.
Even taking into account the a35/36 years in AZ, most players can't say that they found a way in the last 3 years of their careers to post numbers above their career averages.
Interesting @RumblePoniesBB manager Reid Brignac and pitching coach Jerome Williams were teammates on the 2014 @Phillies
Granderson would have been a really nice addition. That was a risky signing off his injuries but he was a really good met. should probably be even more beloved than he is because he was really probably the most valuable individual player by fwar bridging the no playoff group from 14 and the playoff years of 15/16. and he delivered in the playoffs with a near 900 ops during the WS run.
Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
Edgardo Alfonzo has reached out to the Mets hoping for a return in a coaching or player development capacity, but hasn't received any indication the organization is interested in rehiring him. Alfonzo still makes occasional appearances at Citi Field as a club ambassador.
So Fonzi leads the only Mets affiliate to win a title in forever or at least a rare title and he's promptly fired and asked never to return.
makes sense.
per Rosenthal Jeff Pickler in consideration for bench coach
sounds like he may be "the analytics guy". currently in Cincy but worked with Hefner in Minnesota and Zauzmer in LA. Here's a quick blurb on him from when cincy hired him.
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4. Book smart: Jeff Pickler
The Reds are being innovative this season, and a good example of this is the hiring of Jeff Pickler as an outfield and game-planning coach. Pickler spent the past 12 years working in scouting, player development and game strategy with an extensive background in analytics. While playing at the University of Tennessee, Pickler won Southeastern Conference Player of the Year and was a first-team All-American. He also was named Scholar Athlete of the Year in 1998 before graduating magna cum laude and later earning a master’s degree in teaching from National University.
and that scherzer in particular may campaign for it. assuming DH goes through he's my favorite available player in FA and the fact that he'd be cheaper because he's a DH is all the better.
Nimmo
Marte
Lindor
Alonso
Schwarber
Canha
McNeil
Escobar
McCann
would be one hell of a lineup.
and with JDD/Cano on bench Dom would be a pretty expendable piece to go out to bring back a SP.
After this Giants season, I am so ready for pitchers/catchers
not being a manager. this one made me think of the daily minors posts by DMM.
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“Minor League reports belong on this list, too. Reading them and seeing how people are doing and giving you a sense of an organization as a whole. This prospect got three hits. This kid made a great play, and it’s there in the reports. It’s another part of the routine of wholeness.”
this one was good too bc that NYY/SEA series has always stuck with me - rooting against the evil empire right before they became the evil empire:
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“The day before the playoffs start is even better. I remember the first time Mr. Steinbrenner complimented me was before Game 1 in ’95, before we played the Mariners. He patted me on the shoulder and said, ‘Nice going, kid.’”
ZiPS projects the 2022 Mets to have 7 regulars post 2.0+ fWAR, 6 or which in the 3+ range. ZiPS is not optimistic regarding a McCann rebound. 81 wRC+ .8 fWAR
Pitching side far less optimistic
ZiPS is not high on the Mets pitching depth with only 2 P's projected for 2+ fWAR and Megill/Walker tied for 3rd best SP... 1.3 fWAR #Mets
Szymborski said they have the rotation as the best in baseball in their depth charts, and that's with even with an extremely low projection on Carrasco (obviously a lot of that value hinges on JDG/Sherzer health). I'm not super high on Carrasco but I'd bet the over on the zips war projection at 1.2 (I think they transposed that on the graphic below). And we know they are very likely to add 1 more SP who I'd bet ends up the 3rd highest zips projection (for example Manea is projected at 2.8 fwar and Bassit at 2.5).
Good to see them predict strong McNeil and Lindor bounce backs (both right around .800 ops). Alonso doesn't need a bounce back but still a very strong projection (41 homers, 110 rbis). Every position except catcher projected above 2 fwar. And they will also probably have DH spot available and adding someone like Schwarber could be a gamechanger. Zips projected Schwarber at 2.5 war w/ 30 homers and a near .900 ops.
I’m confident about the Mets’ lineup, but I’m less sure here. Not because of the quality of the pitchers, mind you, but rather their health. We currently have the rotation as the best in baseball in our depth charts, but I happen to think the playing time scenarios are more optimistic than I would be."
He has Peterson/Williams/and "see if Lugo can start" as the depth at the MLB/High minors level.
RE: idk I see a lot of amount of optimism in these projections
And they will also probably have DH spot available and adding someone like Schwarber could be a gamechanger. Zips projected Schwarber at 2.5 war w/ 30 homers and a near .900 ops.
Schwarber would be fun. Really easy guy to root for.
if the season started tomorrow we would all have depth concerns too
the best in baseball because they have deGrom and Scherzer combining for a projected 11.2 fWAR. They have the other 8 SP's on their depth chart COMBINING for 7.7.
RE: if the season started tomorrow we would all have depth concerns too
but would any of us take a bet that they don't add more SP before ST begins? No matter what odds I was given I would not take that bet.
But what's wrong with commenting on the current roster makeup and pointing out the needs? I don't think any non-hyper optimistic person would be confident with Carrasco/Walker/Megill/Peterson as your 3-6 SP's opening day.
the best in baseball because they have deGrom and Scherzer combining for a projected 11.2 fWAR. They have the other 8 SP's on their depth chart COMBINING for 7.7.
do you think the will add more pitchers to their depth chart between now and ST?
projection for me is Mark Payton being a league average player in 2022. He's 30 years old, the Reds just sold him for cash and yet they project 1.5 fWAR over 379 PA's. I find it hard to believe he's even on the 40 man come opening day.
the best in baseball because they have deGrom and Scherzer combining for a projected 11.2 fWAR. They have the other 8 SP's on their depth chart COMBINING for 7.7.
do you think the will add more pitchers to their depth chart between now and ST?
Again, I'm kind of confused. Since when it pointing out flaws/needs not something that is done by fans of any sport? If anything ZiPS is saying the Mets have 2 incredible pitchers but after them need more. I'm legit confused with your issue here? Just point out the strengths of the team and not that they pretty clearly could use a legit SP and not rely on what they have internally?
RE: RE: if the season started tomorrow we would all have depth concerns too
but would any of us take a bet that they don't add more SP before ST begins? No matter what odds I was given I would not take that bet.
But what's wrong with commenting on the current roster makeup and pointing out the needs? I don't think any non-hyper optimistic person would be confident with Carrasco/Walker/Megill/Peterson as your 3-6 SP's opening day.
there's nothing wrong with it except it's obvious and already pretty well known. the mets have been public about the fact that they need more SP. Eppler said he wanted to add 2 or 3 SP before signing Scherzer. it's not like this is a typical offseason where they are sitting on their hands not addressing a need. I don't see anything all that notable in a projection telling us something we already knew. this team needs another #2/3 starter.
given the offseason is on pause i see more value in the projection model's data for the players that are signed rather than what's still on the to do list.
RE: RE: RE: if the season started tomorrow we would all have depth concerns too
but would any of us take a bet that they don't add more SP before ST begins? No matter what odds I was given I would not take that bet.
But what's wrong with commenting on the current roster makeup and pointing out the needs? I don't think any non-hyper optimistic person would be confident with Carrasco/Walker/Megill/Peterson as your 3-6 SP's opening day.
there's nothing wrong with it except it's obvious and already pretty well known. the mets have been public about the fact that they need more SP. Eppler said he wanted to add 2 or 3 SP before signing Scherzer. it's not like this is a typical offseason where they are sitting on their hands not addressing a need. I don't see anything all that notable in a projection telling us something we already knew. this team needs another #2/3 starter.
given the offseason is on pause i see more value in the projection model's data for the players that are signed rather than what's still on the to do list.
But where am I bitching about their "lack of effort"? I'm pointing out that ZiPS is not high on the Mets SP beyond the big 2. They think Taijuan Walker is what we saw last year, a 4th or 5th SP, and Williams/Peterson "filler" back end types. Lucchesi (who may not pitch in 2022) is their 3rd best SP projection.
rejected the Mets request to interview Ryan Flaherty to be their BC and Jeff Pickler turned down the Mets request to interview for the same position.
I'm surprised after the Matt Arnold stuff how many people don't understand that there is no "rule" about granting promotions. Came up again yesterday with the Flaherty news.
curious what the deal is with the Mets and Alfonzo. The claim was he was fired because he put winning ahead of player development (he did in fact win a title) but that was with Brodie running the show. There is no middle ground/way that can be mended? There must be more to this story right? Very weird.
RE: RE: RE: RE: if the season started tomorrow we would all have depth concerns too
But where am I bitching about their "lack of effort"? I'm pointing out that ZiPS is not high on the Mets SP beyond the big 2.
I didn't say you were bitching about anything im saying that part of the zips projection is uninteresting to me because it's likely they are just placeholders for other players (nothing to do with you). I think there's a better than 50-50 shot both Peterson/Megill are in AAA to start the year.
is it not fair to be more focused on the projections for the players who are more likely if not certain to actually be on the active roster?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: if the season started tomorrow we would all have depth concerns too
But where am I bitching about their "lack of effort"? I'm pointing out that ZiPS is not high on the Mets SP beyond the big 2.
I didn't say you were bitching about anything im saying that part of the zips projection is uninteresting to me because it's likely they are just placeholders for other players (nothing to do with you). I think there's a better than 50-50 shot both Peterson/Megill are in AAA to start the year.
is it not fair to be more focused on the projections for the players who are more likely if not certain to actually be on the active roster?
I didn't find any of their projections to be that interesting/outlandish. I guess them being THAT high on Alonso is notable but Lindor etc about what you'd expect.
I didn't find any of their projections to be that interesting/outlandish. I guess them being THAT high on Alonso is notable but Lindor etc about what you'd expect.
I don't disagree - Lindor maybe a little higher than expected and Marte/McNeil a little lower. Dom and JDD are both low too.
To me the most notable things were in order:
1. Lindor projection matching the 2nd best year of his career (4.7 war) - that's a strong projection and one I'd possibly take the under on. Though I do also think he has an opportunity for a true "pop year" kind of like Beltran's 2nd year here where he way exceeds expectations so maybe 4.7 is an accurate median outcome.
2. All 3 new hitters above 2.0 war. This is another outcome I'd possibly bet against. Individually I'd take the over on Marte (2.8) but the under on Escobar (2.9). Canha at 2.0 I could see either way. But all 3 over 2.0 seems aggressive considering first years in NY. I'd guess 1 of them has a mccann style disappointing year.
3. McNeil bounce back. I think they are still low on him likely because of where he falls in an age curve, but it's a statistical model so it's good to see statistically they see him bouncing back.
I would say the strength of the roster is that Alonso, McNeil, Lindor, Marte are all true top of division players - and zips seems to mostly agree with that. Nimmo too but that's pending health. JDG/Scherzer are the key to postseason success but over 162 games the every day guys are the key to winning 90+ and allowing the organization to do what's necessary to get to the postseason with JDG/Scherzer in their best form.
"If the Mets were to deal one of those players, it seems likely they’d target pitching help in return. No one around the league can match New York’s best two arms, with Scherzer and Jacob deGrom a potentially dominating pairing at the top. There’s a lot of uncertainty behind that duo, though.
Carlos Carrasco is usually very effective when healthy, but he was limited to twelve starts last year by various injuries and underwent postseason surgery to remove a bone fragment from his elbow. He’s not expected to miss much more than a bit of Spring Training action, but it’s the latest in a rather significant injury history for the 34-year-old. Taijuan Walker stayed healthy last season, but he followed up an All-Star first half with a 7.13 ERA/6.79 FIP after the Break. David Peterson struggled and battled oblique and foot injuries last season. Tylor Megill showed promising strikeout and walk numbers but gave up a lot of hard contact when batters did put the ball in play.
At least adding some sort of stabilizing back-of-the-rotation presence would seem to be a priority. The Reds and A’s are expected to make some higher-impact arms available via trade, and other teams like the Marlins and Brewers might have enough pitching depth to consider dealing a back-end guy for offensive help." As is the case with virtually every contender, the Mets could probably stand to add a reliever or two. Last year’s bullpen was a top ten unit by both ERA and strikeout/walk rate differential. But Aaron Loup has already departed, and Jeurys Familia (in whom the Mets apparently have some interest in re-signing) and midseason pickups Heath Hembree and Brad Hand all hit free agency. Link - ( New Window )
worrisome note from Buster Olney (as part of his piece on the best SP in baseball)
"DeGrom's status for the start of the 2022 season is unclear. But he demonstrated last year that when he's on the mound, he is the best there is, maybe the best there ever was." Link - ( New Window )
might be a little high just because I don't think he's going to get 531 PA's as a 33 year old on a deep team, and a guy who has hip problems/concerns. 531 PA's would be his second highest # ever so I'd bet against that but not heavily so.
1. Dom for Manea or Bassitt
2. Sign Schwarber (MLBTR projects 4x70m)
3. Trade for another depth starter with options (a la Trevor Williams)
4. Add 2 veteran relievers on 2 year deals (Lugo Diaz and May are entering walk years, makes sense to hedge next year's pen, I'd go for 2 w/ highest upside like McHugh, hope 1/2 hits). Would also bring back Familia on a 1 year.
That should add about $40m more to the payroll to take it right around $275-285m (though the CBT payroll total will be higher than that).
might be a little high just because I don't think he's going to get 531 PA's as a 33 year old on a deep team, and a guy who has hip problems/concerns. 531 PA's would be his second highest # ever so I'd bet against that but not heavily so.
Agreed on the playing time but I expect his performance when he plays to be relatively predictable/durable because I his core skills getting on base are pretty durable. the zips projected triple slash is basically his career average across the board.
like the Canha signing a lot. I just don't see him playing as much as the projection does. Steamer projects 1.9 fWAR over 580 PA's and basically a slight decline from his 2021 slash line. I do expect him to play a good amount but 580 PA's seems high for a 33 year old good/not great player with some durability issues on a team with some solid depth.
Apologies if this was posted earlier in the thread but looks like
the Nationals are getting Soto’s brother. I had thought the Mets were in good position with him, so this is a bit of a disappointment.
Yup.
Britt Ghiroli
@Britt_Ghiroli
Sources confirm: Elian Soto will be a National. It will not be until Jan of 2023. (If there's not a draft.) Heard big brother Juan was a factor.
First: @ByronKerr
RE: Apologies if this was posted earlier in the thread but looks like
FWIW @mets signing bonus for Elian Soto was only $50,000 (as is the Nats). Nothing against the kid but that gives you an idea of the caliber of prospect he's viewed as.
per @Ken_Rosenthal @mets have also rejected requests from other teams to interview employees. Somewhat surprisingly if only because @mets only had 1 coach under contract so presumably it was FO personnel (Tramuta, Tanous, Levin, Bryn Showalter?)
article says the Nats signing bonus for Elian Soto is more than 50k FWIW.
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...The Nationals offer, sources say, will be larger than $50,000 but still well below the $1.5 million the organization gave to Juan in 2016, which was a record amount for the organization at the time for a teenaged international free agent....
per @Ken_Rosenthal @mets have also rejected requests from other teams to interview employees. Somewhat surprisingly if only because @mets only had 1 coach under contract so presumably it was FO personnel (Tramuta, Tanous, Levin, Bryn Showalter?)
article says the Nats signing bonus for Elian Soto is more than 50k FWIW.
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...The Nationals offer, sources say, will be larger than $50,000 but still well below the $1.5 million the organization gave to Juan in 2016, which was a record amount for the organization at the time for a teenaged international free agent....
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I was told "not much more than the Mets paid". He's going to the Nats because of his brother. He didn't get much money to sign because he's not viewed as a big prospect.
put it this way, his agent is Scott Boras and Scott Boras had him close to an agreement on a 50K dollar deal, I think we can all agree Scott Boras knows the value of his clients (or overestimates it). The Nats probably raised their offer a bit just to make his brother happy. Before the Mets rumors I had never even heard his name. He's no Rodrick Arias or Mayea. In fact, fangraphs has a couple of 15 year olds on their international list, Soto didn't make it. Prefer more lottery tickets than less but this isn't one I'm losing sleep over.
if he ends up being the next vlad jr that's going to suck
I know he's not thought of that way so I doubt that's the case, and fortunately just about any other scenario is not that big of a deal.
that's interesting that someone requested interviewing a met employee. I could definitely see someone requesting Hefner during that period before Buck got hired. The FO guys harder to imagine since all were recently promoted and have basically been mets for a long time. but not impossible for the draft guys since they've done so well.
re: bailey I have no idea whether he is a good coach or a bad coach but I do like that they were open to bringing another pitching coach background on board given Hefner's inexperience.
i also like that they are getting blocked so much because that means they are going for the right people.
article says the Nats signing bonus for Elian Soto is more than 50k FWIW.
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...The Nationals offer, sources say, will be larger than $50,000 but still well below the $1.5 million the organization gave to Juan in 2016, which was a record amount for the organization at the time for a teenaged international free agent....
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I was told "not much more than the Mets paid". He's going to the Nats because of his brother. He didn't get much money to sign because he's not viewed as a big prospect.
yeah, I was just sharing the slight correction from the Athletic article.
noting Vlad Jr. got 3.9 million to sign and was viewed as a phenom since he was 14. I know Vlad praised Elian Soto but the fact of the matter is, when it comes to bloodlines, teams take special interest in family members of established players and Soto was agreeing to 50,000 with the Mets? Not exactly a great sign for how he's viewed by the league. Yes, bonus only means so much but the Mets signed 16 players this past draft to bonuses more than 50K. Their 20th round pick got 75,000.
course the Mets came in second for Vlad Jr.... and Ichiro... as well as Dice-K. Would have been nice to be #1 on the first 2, less so on the last one lol
hope im wrong but i think we can kiss the Nimmo extension goodbye
now repped by Boras. My guess is the Mets are willing to do something similar to what they offered Conforto a year ago. Going to Boras is shrewd because he now has that insight but if I were the mets I wouldn't go beyond the number for nimmo. Just too injury prone. Mets' Brandon Nimmo Switches Agencies Ahead Of Potential Contract Negotiations - ( New Window )
I like Nimmo but he needs to stay on the field. If he has a big year, we can make him a qualifying offer and no one is going outbid us for him if we want to keep him and he wants to stay.
Have hired a bench coach but it’s not a “big name” and yet to be revealed who
presumably it's a younger analytically focused coach along the lines of Bailey/Pickler. i like the general open mindedness of the process they've run with the staff so im sure it will be someone well regarded (as those 2 were said to be).
RE: RE: hope im wrong but i think we can kiss the Nimmo extension goodbye
now repped by Boras. My guess is the Mets are willing to do something similar to what they offered Conforto a year ago. Going to Boras is shrewd because he now has that insight but if I were the mets I wouldn't go beyond the number for nimmo. Just too injury prone. Mets' Brandon Nimmo Switches Agencies Ahead Of Potential Contract Negotiations - ( New Window )
I like Nimmo but he needs to stay on the field. If he has a big year, we can make him a qualifying offer and no one is going outbid us for him if we want to keep him and he wants to stay.
agree. the only reason to extend was if it were a fair deal like Buxton signed. That's not why you switch to Boras ahead of a negotiation though.
know he's had success in college but I'm happy Andy Stankiewicz passed. He's 57 years old and hasn't had a job in the pros since 2012 (minor league field coordinator). If you want a younger analytics heavy guy, it's almost certainly not going to be somebody who has been away from the MLB game for a decade.
The New York Post’s Mike Puma reports the New York Mets are working on a deal with former manager Bobby Valentine.
Bobby Valentine remains on the Mets’ radar as a potential special assistant in the front office. The 71-year-old Valentine recently retired from Sacred Heart University, where he served as the athletic director for eight years. Valentine, who managed the Rangers, Mets and Red Sox, has been largely removed from MLB since 2012. Last year he lost in a bid to become mayor of his hometown, Stamford, Conn. It’s unclear, however, to what degree Valentine would want to be involved if he returns to baseball.
i'd imagine he's friends with Cohen as 2 of the more prominent connecticuters? im sure he's got a relationship with buck too, i know i saw some positive comments from him on that hire. guess it depends on what the role is but bobby v is sharp and a good salesman so maybe it makes sense.
Seems like this would be a cushy paycheck for Valentine
i'd imagine he's friends with Cohen as 2 of the more prominent connecticuters? im sure he's got a relationship with buck too, i know i saw some positive comments from him on that hire. guess it depends on what the role is but bobby v is sharp and a good salesman so maybe it makes sense.
Valentine says a lot of BS but he said he personally recommended Buck to Peter Angelos when he got the Orioles job, he also said he's worked with Buck on TV.
RE: Seems like this would be a cushy paycheck for Valentine
not sure he’d really have anything to add baseball wise at this point in his life.
Doubt the paycheck is all that significant. Both Al Leiter and John Franco are on the Mets payroll as advisors and at least in Leiter's case apparently had "nothing" to do with the 2021 team after ST broke.
invented the wrap. I know his incognito dugout appearance after being kicked out is how his Mets time is memorialized (along with 2000 WS) but the invention of the wrap is exactly the kind of innovation and outside the box creativity missing right now with the Mets.
Sandwiches have been around for what, centuries? Most people felt like we have seen what sandwiches have to offer.
Then comes the wrap (out of necessity due to a broken toaster if you believe the anecdote). Bravo, Bobby V. I support this hiring.
if bobby v wasn't a relatively important piece of modern met history i doubt he'd be up for what is likely a figure head position with the mets.
also not political but he just ran a campaign for political office meaning bobby v is well credentialed as a figure head, especially in the thing he knows best (baseball).
Per @EvanDrellich Thursday, @mlb owners will present their new "core economics proposal" to @MLBPA #Mets
guesses:
higher LTT close to player's ask ($230-$245m)
eliminate draft pick compensation/penalties tied to FA/LTT
14 team playoff / universal DH
no change to service time
spend some time on the SNY team. Keith and Rob need to take a lot of time off these days, and having Bobby in there for 40-50 or so takes a year would add to the broadcasts IMO.
had some time to kill and went down a rabbit hole.
MLB revenues have increased every year (source).
MLB player salaries in aggregate have not (source).
those are the "core economics" both sides are haggling over. The players feel entitled to more money because the owners are getting increased revenues and franchise valuations while the portion of the pie the players are receiving has bounced around.
from the second sourced article by Passan above:
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Player salaries dipped to $4.05 billion in 2021 -- a $200 million drop from the record high in 2017 and the lowest since 2015, when the league still hadn't crossed the $4 billion mark.
The MLBPA's business is getting the players compensated and like every business they presumably want YoY growth if business good. My guess is their main goal is to get above 4.25bn and on track for consistent growth. The question is where they find that $200m+?
the simplest tool is raising the LTT. Only 2 teams exceeded it last year and 5 teams went right up to it without exceeding. It stands to reason the 5 teams would each spend more if it were higher and may even be eager to do so. The MLBPA proposed raising it to $245m which is $35m per team so if all 5 of those teams increased their spending that's an extra $175m right there (though that's an aggressive raise so all 5 might not spend all of it). The owners previous proposal went up to $214m so they are $34m apart. There's a good bet that gap narrows in this next proposal. I'd guess the owners offer is around $220m and eventually via negotiations they meet in the middle raising it to $225m-230m with set yoy increases.
There will be other stuff discussed that benefits one side or the other (additional playoff revenue for owners, DH which adds more well paid jobs for players, higher league minimum/benefits for minor leaguers) but the core is going to be the LTT imo. As much as small market owners may bitch I think they'd rather let big market owners spend more than be subject to a payroll floor (which would be the better/fairer solution). And as much as the players bitch about service time those changes would only impact a small subset of overage players.
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Breaking: The Mets will retire Keith Hernandez's No. 17 in a ceremony this July 9. A long overdue honor for a beloved Met.
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The retirement of Keith Hernandez’s number 17 is one of the most joyous announcements in Mets franchise history. Long time coming, but just perfect in conjunction with the upcoming 60th anniversary season. Bravo to the soul of a championship team.
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“Keith Hernandez, “I’m thrilled…I was very emotional when Steve called to let me know about the number retirement. This is the highest honor an organization can bestow upon a player. I also want to thank Mets fans, who have treated me like family since I arrived in 1983.”
Eno estimates DH to be worth about $50m to the players
LTT increase of $20m with looser penalties for overage should be worth about $100m
don't know what increasing the minimum salary is but I'd guess close to $25m
increasing pay in the minors would probably be even more than that
so bottomline it's pretty easy to find ~$200m more for the players.
and for the majority of owners it won't be any more of out their pocket if you net out the increase in playoff revenue.
never put anything past these 2 sides but there's no reason anyone should miss games. going to war over issues that only impact a small subset like overage FAs is pointless.
says the A's would hang up the phone on JDD and Vientos for Bassitt
Bassitt is a FA. A's would be getting rid of him for because they aren't going to pay him. That is a perfectly fair deal, and one I don't know I would do from the Mets perspective. A's may not want JDD and may prefer another prospect with more control, but they wouldn't hang up.
With 25 HRs in 83 games last year at the age of 21 in AA/AAA, I really wouldn't want to part with him for a rental like this. I'd prefer the Mets kept Alvarez, Baty, Mauricio, and Vientos. I could see giving up Mauricio or Vientos as the headline in a deal for a SP with at least a few years of control, but not a FA to be
not sure if he suggested that one or was just commenting but i often find the ones he throws out to seem random and untethered to any sort of precedent. jim duquettes are similar too.
not saying he's wrong - the mets shopped JDD all last year and seemingly nobody wanted him. He may not have any value. So it's basically whatever oakland thinks of Vientos, and he projects to have a similar profile to JDD (big RH power but no D value).
I'd personally prefer to hold Vientos more than Dom Smith but i'd imagine Bowden and many others would think Dom has way more value than Vientos. Every individual team will have different judgements on all players, albeit far more informed than any of us. Value wise a top 100ish prospect + another piece (like JDD) seems reasonable for a FA to be if the rumors are correct and oakland is looking to save $.
Eno estimates DH to be worth about $50m to the players
LTT increase of $20m with looser penalties for overage should be worth about $100m
don't know what increasing the minimum salary is but I'd guess close to $25m
increasing pay in the minors would probably be even more than that
so bottomline it's pretty easy to find ~$200m more for the players.
and for the majority of owners it won't be any more of out their pocket if you net out the increase in playoff revenue.
never put anything past these 2 sides but there's no reason anyone should miss games. going to war over issues that only impact a small subset like overage FAs is pointless.
Eno says the DH is worth very little to the players and isn't something they should focus on.
RE: Bowden's trade suggestions are usually out there
not sure if he suggested that one or was just commenting but i often find the ones he throws out to seem random and untethered to any sort of precedent. jim duquettes are similar too.
not saying he's wrong - the mets shopped JDD all last year and seemingly nobody wanted him. He may not have any value. So it's basically whatever oakland thinks of Vientos, and he projects to have a similar profile to JDD (big RH power but no D value).
I'd personally prefer to hold Vientos more than Dom Smith but i'd imagine Bowden and many others would think Dom has way more value than Vientos. Every individual team will have different judgements on all players, albeit far more informed than any of us. Value wise a top 100ish prospect + another piece (like JDD) seems reasonable for a FA to be if the rumors are correct and oakland is looking to save $.
The piece was fan submitted trade ideas that he commented on. He claims the Mariners would pass on Hancock for Reynolds, I find that very, very, very hard to believe. But yeah he seemingly doesn't view JDD or Vientos having a ton of trade value. Also says the Reds wouldn't be all that in Mauricio, aiming for OF's and SPing. Neither of which are strengths for the Mets system.
don't remember seeing this earlier but here's a good vientos interview
from Fangraphs in November. Some good answers about approach and adjustments he's made at the plate. Seems to have a pretty good head on his shoulders.
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Laurila: Looking at video of your home runs, it struck me that many have been to center and to the opposite field…
Vientos: “Yeah, that comes with my approach. I know my game, and my power is center, right center, right field, left center. Personally, I don’t try to pull the ball; I try to hit everything up the middle. That keeps my swing… it keeps my hands inside, instead of yanking the ball. It also helps me recognize spin a lot more, because I’m letting the ball travel deeper.”
Laurila: Do you know the distance of your longest home run?
Vientos: “I’ve heard 480 [feet], but that was in 2019 and wasn’t recorded. On TrackMan, I hit one 460 earlier this year. It was to left center.”
cited Vientos as a very hard worker with "huge" power and a below average pure athlete that was likely a 1B/DH at the MLB level. Blankmeyer generally speaking was nothing but positive so I found it at least notable.
cited Vientos as a very hard worker with "huge" power and a below average pure athlete that was likely a 1B/DH at the MLB level. Blankmeyer generally speaking was nothing but positive so I found it at least notable.
I should note, he knew the Mets prospects better than most people on the planet given the fact he ran the alternate site.
Eno estimates DH to be worth about $50m to the players
LTT increase of $20m with looser penalties for overage should be worth about $100m
don't know what increasing the minimum salary is but I'd guess close to $25m
increasing pay in the minors would probably be even more than that
so bottomline it's pretty easy to find ~$200m more for the players.
and for the majority of owners it won't be any more of out their pocket if you net out the increase in playoff revenue.
never put anything past these 2 sides but there's no reason anyone should miss games. going to war over issues that only impact a small subset like overage FAs is pointless.
Eno says the DH is worth very little to the players and isn't something they should focus on.
yeah I saw his tweet and thought it was incredibly stupid other than the valuation.
a) 15 new starting spots is valuable. It is 15 more players who get paid more every year, not to mention increasing the market competition for the other 15 clubs in the AL. And anyone who can swing a bat is a candidate (as opposed to say the small universe of players who would get paid earlier bc they are overages if the service time changed). He literally put the value on it and $50m is quite significant.
b) he made a comment that it helps the owners because pitchers don't get hurt as much. Isn't that also good news for the half of the players association that are pitchers?
DH is a no-brainer for both sides which is why everyone is so certain it will be in.
cited Vientos as a very hard worker with "huge" power and a below average pure athlete that was likely a 1B/DH at the MLB level. Blankmeyer generally speaking was nothing but positive so I found it at least notable.
I think Vientos is a great fit for DH and maybe a little LF/1B on occasion. Also why I think adding someone like Schwarber would be great because it would leave open some at bats for a righty.
I think the at bats this year penciled in for Canha, Escobar, and DH are the future at bats for Baty/Vientos as they prove ready for the pro game.
time to retire Strawberry's number. He's turned around his life, he's a Mets icon.
Agreed. As should Gooden. Both were on legitimate HOF trajectories until their problems took over. Should at least have their numbers retired.
Strawberry and his wife actually run a ministry down in South Florida. I saw him at a restaurant. Always feel weird about going up to people, but I did tell him I was a big fan.
suspect Baty has to really mash to see Queens this season. He doesn't have to be added to the 40 man and they currently have Escobar, McNeil, JDD, Guillorme, and even Cano as 3B options. That doesn't include Vientos/Blankenhorn both already on the 40 man and even Mauricio (who also is on the 40 man). Baty likely needs to really explode in 2022 (and the Mets have a need) to be called up before he has to be added.
cited Vientos as a very hard worker with "huge" power and a below average pure athlete that was likely a 1B/DH at the MLB level. Blankmeyer generally speaking was nothing but positive so I found it at least notable.
I think Vientos is a great fit for DH and maybe a little LF/1B on occasion. Also why I think adding someone like Schwarber would be great because it would leave open some at bats for a righty.
I think the at bats this year penciled in for Canha, Escobar, and DH are the future at bats for Baty/Vientos as they prove ready for the pro game.
Yeah, agreed that I would rather trade Dom than Vientos. His kind of power is pretty special. May even rival Alonso's.
Mets did set it up nicely with Escobar and Canha having two year deals, to be hopefully supplanted by the young guys. Alvarez should also be ready to take over fulltime from McCann by the time his contract is up as well
suspect Baty has to really mash to see Queens this season. He doesn't have to be added to the 40 man and they currently have Escobar, McNeil, JDD, Guillorme, and even Cano as 3B options. That doesn't include Vientos/Blankenhorn both already on the 40 man and even Mauricio (who also is on the 40 man). Baty likely needs to really explode in 2022 (and the Mets have a need) to be called up before he has to be added.
Agreed on Baty. I think he phases in next year when Escobar is in his walk year.
If Vientos plays well I think he comes up at some point when a spot arises (JDD, Canha, Escobar, or Alonso gets hurt, etc).
If he forces the issue with a 1.000 ops or something right away then I think they have to give him some DH time.
The main thing is that 2 years from now it's in the organizations best interest to have those 2 backfill Canha/Escobar so they can reallocate that $20m+ aav elsewhere.
Yeah, agreed that I would rather trade Dom than Vientos. His kind of power is pretty special. May even rival Alonso's.
Mets did set it up nicely with Escobar and Canha having two year deals, to be hopefully supplanted by the young guys. Alvarez should also be ready to take over fulltime from McCann by the time his contract is up as well
Mauricio could also time nicely with Marte in the OF.
Vientos' power in the minors last year was definitely comparable to Alonso-only, and he was younger than Alonso was when he reached those levels, and he got covid in the middle of the year.
The upside of 2 Alonso level RH bats in the middle of the lineup is almost incomprehensible and not upside I'd give up easily since he's so close to debuting. Not to rehash but it was far easier to give up PCA even if he's a safer bet down the road.
AFL results matter to the organization, but it sounded like after a hot start, it became clear Baty has some work to do.
Scouts came away with questions in regard to Baty. There is some belief he was simply tired after a long season but the swing looked long and slow (trouble with good velocity). I'm not particularly concerned but a 118 wRC+ is solid but not "he's very close to being a big big leaguer" good. That was good for 4th on his own team. I'm big on Baty but also think he's a year or so away.
from me. Things like retiring Keith's # and old timer's day are small, but IMO mean something. Winning obviously means more, but these small things do mean something.
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Keith Hernandez says that the Mets are going to have an Old Timers Day this year.
he has a similar overall contact profile, similar ability to draw walks, scouts similarly considered both solid pure hitters, both seemed athletically built for XBH but not the type of pure power of say Alonso/Vientos. Baty is a year ahead by age even with the covid year since he didn't go to college, so with 1 more year of development he'd end up hitting the big leagues at a similar age.
A conforto level hitter would be a great outcome, especially if he can stick at 3b.
1994 @mets
lose Pete Schourek off of waivers, 1995 he finishes 2nd in NL CY voting. Never again does he ever come close to approaching that level of success.
1994 @mets
lose Pete Schourek off of waivers, 1995 he finishes 2nd in NL CY voting. Never again does he ever come close to approaching that level of success.
That is bizarre. I did not remember him having a year that good. He was a swingman for them. I know he was in the bullpen on Ken Griffey Jr. Presents Major League Baseball. Trying to recall the team, but they had Gooden, Young, Saberhagen, Hillman and Sid in the rotation. Franco, Maddux, Innis in the bullpen with Schourek. Lineup I can recall Kent, Thompson, HoJo (my personal favorite childhood player), Coleman, Darrin Jackson, Eddie Murray, Hundley. Bench I remember Orsulak, Gallagher, Charlie O'Brien, and Chico Walker. I know I am missing a few players from that team.
missed Bonilla (duh), Bobby Jones, Tim Bogar, Jeff McKnight, and Doug Saunders. I honestly don't even remember Doug Saunders in the game.
Anyone ever play that game, or am I talking to myself? My alltime favorite video game. About 14 when it came out. I remember buying the baseball almanac, so I could put the players in. Classic Link - ( New Window )
missed Bonilla (duh), Bobby Jones, Tim Bogar, Jeff McKnight, and Doug Saunders. I honestly don't even remember Doug Saunders in the game.
Anyone ever play that game, or am I talking to myself? My alltime favorite video game. About 14 when it came out. I remember buying the baseball almanac, so I could put the players in. Classic Link - ( New Window )
I liked Griffey baseball on N64 better this this one which was SNES.
1994 @mets
lose Pete Schourek off of waivers, 1995 he finishes 2nd in NL CY voting. Never again does he ever come close to approaching that level of success.
That is bizarre. I did not remember him having a year that good. He was a swingman for them. I know he was in the bullpen on Ken Griffey Jr. Presents Major League Baseball. Trying to recall the team, but they had Gooden, Young, Saberhagen, Hillman and Sid in the rotation. Franco, Maddux, Innis in the bullpen with Schourek. Lineup I can recall Kent, Thompson, HoJo (my personal favorite childhood player), Coleman, Darrin Jackson, Eddie Murray, Hundley. Bench I remember Orsulak, Gallagher, Charlie O'Brien, and Chico Walker. I know I am missing a few players from that team.
I was randomly looking at CY voting and it reminded me of some forgotten random strong seasons and forgotten solid SP's... John Smiley, Shane Reynolds etc. I did not remember Schourek's huge season myself.
1994 @mets
lose Pete Schourek off of waivers, 1995 he finishes 2nd in NL CY voting. Never again does he ever come close to approaching that level of success.
That is bizarre. I did not remember him having a year that good. He was a swingman for them. I know he was in the bullpen on Ken Griffey Jr. Presents Major League Baseball. Trying to recall the team, but they had Gooden, Young, Saberhagen, Hillman and Sid in the rotation. Franco, Maddux, Innis in the bullpen with Schourek. Lineup I can recall Kent, Thompson, HoJo (my personal favorite childhood player), Coleman, Darrin Jackson, Eddie Murray, Hundley. Bench I remember Orsulak, Gallagher, Charlie O'Brien, and Chico Walker. I know I am missing a few players from that team.
What I remember is that the Mets sent PS down because Dallas Green felt he did not have "belly." And IIRC, they kept some reliever who sucked and was cut a few weeks later.
I remember his having a really good year after he left Mets but just looked at his stats and he kind of faded after that.
Jeff Kent (HOF)
Eddie Murray (HOF)
Hojo
Bobby Bo
Vince Coleman
Todd Hundley
Jeromy Burnitz
That's a lot of talent. I guess some guys had not developed yet and others were past their prime a bit. But, damn, they should have won more than 59 games!
Evan Drellich
@EvanDrellich
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MLB’s proposal today didn’t encourage the players. A couple small changes. Expectations weren’t high going in, so in that regard, the proposal actually went mostly as expected. Remember, movement tends to wait until the last minute (or beyond):
My guess is they maybe edged up the LTT a little bit also
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
MLB raised pay for younger players (higher minimum salary and more money for Super 2s) in their proposal. Players union saw overall offer as “disappointing.” No word about a counter yet. Long way to go (but fortunately there’s still time)
At the moment though the reality is that the owners are negotiating against themselves until the players make an offer, and the players not engaging makes it unlikely the owners will change their's much because they want to anchor their end as low as possible.
The players need to counter with something or else they will be the ones not negotiating in good faith this time.
Jeff Passan
@JeffPassan
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3m
Plenty more coming in a story at ESPN but the broad strokes of MLB's proposal, per sources:
- Funnel additional money to all players with 2+ years service
- Award draft picks to teams that don't manipulate service of successful top prospects
- Tweaks to proposed draft lottery
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
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Players union disappointment stems from no change from where MLB was on the luxury tax (thresholds or penalties), free agency or revenue sharing. They also prefer to see a greater increase in minimum player salary than MLB has offered. A’s said dudes remain far apart.
I clearly don't understand how minor league player rights work. @mets recently released Anthony Manuel (son of ex-manager Jerry Manuel) he had not played in the Mets organization since 2006
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
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MLB remans dead set against lowering free agency from 6 years to 5. Part of the concern stems from the history of the big stars jumping from smaller markets to big markets when they hit free agency and belief this would hurt competitive balance.
the current system is somewhere between 200-500m annually below what the players want.
DH = +50m for the players. Etc.
Expanded playoffs = extra revenue for all.
We can't expect MLB to negotiate with themselves. It's the player's turn to counter and identify their priorities. Take the increases for young players and early service time, increase the LTT, find a middle ground of projected increase to players salaries overall and make a deal.
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
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MLB remans dead set against lowering free agency from 6 years to 5. Part of the concern stems from the history of the big stars jumping from smaller markets to big markets when they hit free agency and belief this would hurt competitive balance.
wah wah. LAD lost Scherzer/Seager, Charles Johnson is worth 5.9 BILLION and let Gausman go. This "small market" stuff is absurd. John Fisher has a net worth of 3 billion. He didn't feel the urge to pay Marte 19.5 per. Miami "small market" Marlins were the runner up to sign Marte and they offered him 2 years 30 million to stay before trading him.
Ben Nicholson-Smith
@bnicholsonsmith
Also heard MLB owners offered a potential solution to service time manipulation in their proposal:
•if a highly-ranked prospect (within top 150 on prospect lists) plays a full year and finishes top five for a major award like MVP, Cy, RoY his team would get a bonus draft pick
like it or not the service time rules are the #1 thing keeping the small market teams viable. this gives them some incentive to be more aggressive with players who deserve it (the top prospects). Starting the clock earlier = more money and sooner for players.
Ben Nicholson-Smith
@bnicholsonsmith
Also heard MLB owners offered a potential solution to service time manipulation in their proposal:
•if a highly-ranked prospect (within top 150 on prospect lists) plays a full year and finishes top five for a major award like MVP, Cy, RoY his team would get a bonus draft pick
like it or not the service time rules are the #1 thing keeping the small market teams viable. this gives them some incentive to be more aggressive with players who deserve it (the top prospects). Starting the clock earlier = more money and sooner for players.
Players apparently 100% against this part of the proposal. DOA I was told.
what they are for. we know they are dead set against any form of a cap, which is the easiest way to align salary growth with league revenues.
they need to pick their priorities and start compromising somewhere as opposed to just asking for accommodations. the next move is in their court to counter.
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
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MLB offered a formula to provide more money to players with 2-plus years of service time in attempt to address concern about younger stars being vastly underpaid. The increased offer in minimum salary from $570,500 to $600K in 2022 (then scaled up in ‘23, etc.) has been on table.
Folks the reality is that the players could care less about the state of baseball in say years. There are massive issues in the game and if they aren’t addressed the fact is everyone in that sport will be making less. Pace of play, better equality and competitive teams, stars leaving small franchises and more parity in the playoffs are all things that will keep more teams involved and thus more fans engaged while also getting kids to become and stay fans. Instead of addressing these fundamental issues though the players just want to apply a bandaid of more money in short term at all costs. It’s very frustrating to watch.
Folks the reality is that the players could care less about the state of baseball in say years. There are massive issues in the game and if they aren’t addressed the fact is everyone in that sport will be making less. Pace of play, better equality and competitive teams, stars leaving small franchises and more parity in the playoffs are all things that will keep more teams involved and thus more fans engaged while also getting kids to become and stay fans. Instead of addressing these fundamental issues though the players just want to apply a bandaid of more money in short term at all costs. It’s very frustrating to watch.
Neither side is clean in this. I'm not convinced the owners care about the state of baseball in 60 years either. We already siphon money from successful, competitive teams to small market teams in the name of competitive balance. That was done in the name of better equality and more competitive teams.
You'd have to really show me something to make me believe the owners don't just want to take money back from players to pocket. If this dispute was just about the good of the sport, the owners would open up the books and have an honest discourse about a path forward.
the players say they want more competitive balance but they want to ditch the 1 feature of the existing landscape that keeps small market teams competitive (service time). they say they care about more compensation to young players but what they want is UFA as early as possible.
the small market owners cry poverty, some to obviously extreme lengths where their payrolls are a literal joke. but also gladly pocket revenue sharing and bemoan big markets spending.
all that said progress is incremental and given the reality that the players CBA is more generous than any other sport both sides should make some incremental progress to spare us fans of their bullshit.
unlike 2020 i blame the MLBPA more right now than the owners because they are talking out of both sides of their mouth. Every other sport has aligned salaries to a % of revenues (aka cap). That ensures salaries grow as revenues grow. And each sport has different nuances with hard caps, LTT, cap floors, etc. Pretty simple because team and player interests are aligned - grow the sport, grow the pot, grow the salaries. The MLBPA refuses to entertain that (remember the A-Rod comments he had to walk back?). Which is fine - if they like the current system better than a cap that's their right. But own it and negotiate in good faith towards a deal. If the owners don't like in 2020 then they will get the blame - like they did in 2020.
he has always profusely denied any steroid usage.
@mikemayer22
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Mets current reported coaching staff looks like this:
manager - Buck Showalter
1st base coach - Wayne Kirby
3rd base coach - Joey Cora
hitting coach - Eric Chavez
pitching coaching - Jeremy Hefner
Tim Britton
@TimBritton
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11m
Former Mets executive Zack Scott has been found not guilty of driving while intoxicated and not guilty of the lesser charge of driving while ability impaired in White Plains city court this morning.
Tim Britton
@TimBritton
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Former Mets executive Zack Scott has been found not guilty of driving while intoxicated and not guilty of the lesser charge of driving while ability impaired in White Plains city court this morning.
This was the expected verdict. Below is an article from a few weeks ago, noting that this was expected:
"During the trial, Bendish argued that Scott didn't fail the standard field sobriety tests. And as seen on the bodycam footage shown during the trial, it did not indicate a person was intoxicated, as White Plains City Court judge Eric Press said. Press went onto note that Scott was basically parked in a lane of traffic when approached by the authorities."
"The prosecution's entire case was built off the bodycam footage as well as the testimony of two witnesses, the arresting officer Frank Confalone and sergeant John Guastella, both whom work for the White Plains Police Department."
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in MA you either take a breathalyzer which if you pass you get let go, you fail you go to jail, or you refuse the breathalyzer in which case you are considered guilty and lose your license for a year. Not guilty of DUI per se, but of refusing to take a breathalyzer (and based on the field tests you may get a DUI still)
in MA you either take a breathalyzer which if you pass you get let go, you fail you go to jail, or you refuse the breathalyzer in which case you are considered guilty and lose your license for a year. Not guilty of DUI per se, but of refusing to take a breathalyzer (and based on the field tests you may get a DUI still)
Per the article: "Scott refused to take a chemical test to determine his blood-alcohol concentration, something Press described as a "major thing," with a negative tone behind it."
From a google search, I believe NY's law is different. Assuming by chemical test, they mean breathalyzer, a refusal to submit to a breathalyer results in a fine and a suspension of your license for a year. You can still separately be charged with DUI.
Per a criminal defense attorney's website, there are certain factors that must be met. I don't think the last two would apply here. But perhaps the arresting officer did not follow the first. Or Scott already lost his license as it was met. I don't know enough about those aspects, but it does appear that NY does not have the presumption of guilt based on a refusal of breathalyzer that some states do.
-By law, the arresting officer must make it clear that your license will be revoked if you refuse the test. In fact, police are required to (a) read this from a script and (b) state it twice. If this protocol was not followed, it may be possible to have your driving privileges restored, or even to get the charges dismissed.
-Police must measure your BAC within two hours of your arrest. During that period, you must be allowed to contact a lawyer, but only if you request it. If more than two hours passed or if you were prevented from getting legal advice, the refusal charge may not stand.
-Did the officer have probable cause to pull you over in the first place? If not, the drunk driving and Breathalyzer refusal charges may go away completely.
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Don't know how good or bad of a choice he is, but he's long been regarded as a very smart baseball guy. Could go either way with a high profile ex-player. I assume they bring in an assistant HC as well.
Chavez seems like a perfectly acceptable hire. Assume there will be others on the staff with some of the other qualities necessary to prepare hitters but Chavez is i'm sure respected/liked by players and has had a nice diversity of experiences since retiring as a player. hitting is such an individual thing the first rules of hitting coaches should probably just be do no harm and be a good cheerleader. I'd expect Chavez should have a clear understanding of that perspective as well as the get on base mentality.
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Don't know how good or bad of a choice he is, but he's long been regarded as a very smart baseball guy. Could go either way with a high profile ex-player. I assume they bring in an assistant HC as well.
Agreed it could go either way. Though I did like Chavez' approach to hitting as a player. He had good pop, but didn't have a crazy amount of strikeouts, and could work the count. Though the same could be said of Chili Davis...
2018 - 9th in NL RC, 14 in NL BA
2019 - 2nd in NL RC, t-5th in NL BA
2020 - 1st in NL RC, 1st in NL BA
2021 - 8th in NL RC, 10th in NL BA
Chili was also clearly at least a little confrontational and hostile to any changes from the new regime, which is probably why he's been fired so frequently and never made it more than 3 seasons as a hitting coach anywhere. Moving on from him may have been justified but credit where it's due.
Net-net if Chavez has a similar approach but also more open minded with better people skills, then that sounds like a logical hire.
should look into him as SP depth
there's enough out there in FA to build depth necessary for the regular season.
2018 - 9th in NL RC, 14 in NL BA
2019 - 2nd in NL RC, t-5th in NL BA
2020 - 1st in NL RC, 1st in NL BA
2021 - 8th in NL RC, 10th in NL BA
Chili was also clearly at least a little confrontational and hostile to any changes from the new regime, which is probably why he's been fired so frequently and never made it more than 3 seasons as a hitting coach anywhere. Moving on from him may have been justified but credit where it's due.
Net-net if Chavez has a similar approach but also more open minded with better people skills, then that sounds like a logical hire.
No issues with Chili his first three years. Last year, there were way too many players who had horrid years: McNeil, Conforto, Dom. Don't know if it was Chili, or who if anyone was to blame. But I would look beyond the numbers for last year.
Horrid for the Mets?
I'm not saying I would do it, but I don't see that as a horrid proposal. You'd be getting Kimbrel for the entire year. Lee was terrible hitting in the majors. Will he ever be anything? And Ginn is what, a 4 or 5 at best?
Again, not saying I would do it, but I would think that's what the cost would be, and I wouldn't see it as a terrible trade.
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Duquette with a horrid trade proposal. Ginn and Lee for Kimbrel.
Horrid for the Mets?
Yes. Horrid for the Mets. 2 top prospects in the system and taking on 16 million in salary for a 34 year old who was awful with the White Sox? Pass.
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imagine a combo of McHugh/Tepera would cost much more than the 16 million Kimbrel is owed and Ginn/Lee? Hard pass. Let's not forget Kimbrel looked shot in 2019 and stunk with the White Sox, he's about to be 34. Salary dump? Sure.
I'm not saying I would do it, but I don't see that as a horrid proposal. You'd be getting Kimbrel for the entire year. Lee was terrible hitting in the majors. Will he ever be anything? And Ginn is what, a 4 or 5 at best?
Again, not saying I would do it, but I would think that's what the cost would be, and I wouldn't see it as a terrible trade.
Why is Ginn a "4 or 5 at best"? MLB.com
"Ginn shows three promising pitches when he is the mound. The fastball sits 91-95 mph and comes with a good amount of sink and life, pushing the grade up a touch. He can also touch as high as 97 with the offering when he rears back. The mid-80s slider draws promising reviews for its ability to move over two planes and is a weapon in its own right. The changeup was developing and showed promising signs with some sink of its own. Ginn still features some violence in his delivery, but is much improved in that department since his high school days. His control wasn’t an issue prior to the surgery after he walked only 5.7 percent of the batters he faced at Mississippi State.
Results have been as hoped for Ginn coming into 2021. He was touching 95 mph again on the radar gun and still throwing plenty of strikes in early looks at Low-A and High-A. He's continuing to get stretched out in Brooklyn, but he appears to be right back on the track that made him such a big name in the 2020 Draft in the first place."
@FTLO_Baseball
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Post TJS, Ginn has so far lived 91-94 with his sinker, but started to reach for more 5's and 6's in his last two starts of the summer. A good harbinger for a full velo rebound to his 93-96 t.97 amateur velo band.
Yes, Ginn gets grounders with the sink and run he gets on his...
Doug
@FTLO_Baseball
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...so far that's a winning bet.
Next, the slider is plus at the next level and Ginn commands it well glove-side with plenty of depth.
Finally, the word is the changeup is coming along, giving Ginn the mix and command to be on track for a big league starter.
The pick is...
Doug
@FTLO_Baseball
...looking good to me now and if '22 brings mid 90s heat and success at double-A, we're going to see Ginn's name blow up on national rankings.
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Duquette with a horrid trade proposal. Ginn and Lee for Kimbrel.
Horrid for the Mets?
Yes. Horrid for the Mets. 2 top prospects in the system and taking on 16 million in salary for a 34 year old who was awful with the White Sox? Pass.
Counterpoint: Ginn and especially Lee are only "top" prospects for the Mets because they don't have any depth in the system. Kimbrel was awful for the White Sox, yes. But overall last season, he still gave up only about a hit every two innings. He would be returning to the NL, where he had an 0.49 ERA with the Cubs last year in 36 games, with 13 hits given up in 36.2 innings, with 64 Ks.
I don't see Lee or Ginn as part of the Mets future. I don't see where they have much more trade value than a Kimbrel.
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imagine a combo of McHugh/Tepera would cost much more than the 16 million Kimbrel is owed and Ginn/Lee? Hard pass. Let's not forget Kimbrel looked shot in 2019 and stunk with the White Sox, he's about to be 34. Salary dump? Sure.
I'm not saying I would do it, but I don't see that as a horrid proposal. You'd be getting Kimbrel for the entire year. Lee was terrible hitting in the majors. Will he ever be anything? And Ginn is what, a 4 or 5 at best?
Again, not saying I would do it, but I would think that's what the cost would be, and I wouldn't see it as a terrible trade.
Why is Ginn a "4 or 5 at best"? MLB.com
"Ginn shows three promising pitches when he is the mound. The fastball sits 91-95 mph and comes with a good amount of sink and life, pushing the grade up a touch. He can also touch as high as 97 with the offering when he rears back. The mid-80s slider draws promising reviews for its ability to move over two planes and is a weapon in its own right. The changeup was developing and showed promising signs with some sink of its own. Ginn still features some violence in his delivery, but is much improved in that department since his high school days. His control wasn’t an issue prior to the surgery after he walked only 5.7 percent of the batters he faced at Mississippi State.
Results have been as hoped for Ginn coming into 2021. He was touching 95 mph again on the radar gun and still throwing plenty of strikes in early looks at Low-A and High-A. He's continuing to get stretched out in Brooklyn, but he appears to be right back on the track that made him such a big name in the 2020 Draft in the first place."
Maybe a 3. Do you see him as a top of the rotation starter?
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Duquette with a horrid trade proposal. Ginn and Lee for Kimbrel.
Horrid for the Mets?
Yes. Horrid for the Mets. 2 top prospects in the system and taking on 16 million in salary for a 34 year old who was awful with the White Sox? Pass.
Counterpoint: Ginn and especially Lee are only "top" prospects for the Mets because they don't have any depth in the system. Kimbrel was awful for the White Sox, yes. But overall last season, he still gave up only about a hit every two innings. He would be returning to the NL, where he had an 0.49 ERA with the Cubs last year in 36 games, with 13 hits given up in 36.2 innings, with 64 Ks.
I don't see Lee or Ginn as part of the Mets future. I don't see where they have much more trade value than a Kimbrel.
Should say "big part of the Mets future"
I like Lee. Probably more than you. And I like Ginn. But I don't think that's a horrid trade proposal. I think it would take a similar package. The difference is with the Mets it's their 5th and 8th ranked prospects.
With teams with a strong farm system, they would be their 10th and 25th ranked players.
Again, I'm not saying I would do the trade. I'd rather they throw money at relievers like you said. I just think that value-wise, that's not as bad a trade as you are making it out to be. I think it would take a similar package to get Kimbrel.
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not even a huge Khalil Lee guy but to judge anything regarding his ability to hit on... 18 AB's... yes, Khalil Lee had 18 ab's in the majors in 2021 (4 starts). He posted a .951 OPS in AAA. You don't give away a good SP prospect and a potential 4th OF for a 34 year old RP owed 16 million. Kimbrel 4.56 FIP with the White Sox, 3.97 in 2020 (and hurt) and 8.00... yes 8.00 in 2019. Completely dominant 36 innings with the Cubs before the trade, otherwise red flags galore.
I like Lee. Probably more than you. And I like Ginn. But I don't think that's a horrid trade proposal. I think it would take a similar package. The difference is with the Mets it's their 5th and 8th ranked prospects.
With teams with a strong farm system, they would be their 10th and 25th ranked players.
Again, I'm not saying I would do the trade. I'd rather they throw money at relievers like you said. I just think that value-wise, that's not as bad a trade as you are making it out to be. I think it would take a similar package to get Kimbrel.
Very few teams have a JT Ginn as a #10 prospect. He was a lock 1st round pick and then had TJ. How many teams have a guy like that as their #10 prospect coming off a solid first year back? And how many teams are taking on a 16 million dollar RP? The Angels traded NOTHING for Iglesias last season. Off-season RP's offer very little trade value.
Nick Plummer looked like a complete bust in 2019 posting an 88 wRC+ as an overage (22) player in A+ with a 33% k rate. For comparisons sake (Lee who obviously strikes out a ton) was 20 in A+ and posted a 136 wRC+ and a 24% k rate. I don't know that Lee will be better than Plummer but Plummer looked like an NP after his 2019 season.
No issues with Chili his first three years. Last year, there were way too many players who had horrid years: McNeil, Conforto, Dom. Don't know if it was Chili, or who if anyone was to blame. But I would look beyond the numbers for last year.
Chilli started in '19 so he was hitting coach for the equivalent of 1 full season in person and a 1/3 of a season remote prior to 2021 when he got fired on May 4th.
His 19 + 20 though did have some notable hitting achievements:
- Dom broke out from prior struggles as a below avg hitter
- Copnforto/McNeil/Nimmo each had 2 strong years
- Rosario had his best year in 2019 raising his BA to .282
- JDD broke out and had an especially big year in 2019 (and he was a guy who needed adjustments when he was acquired)
He also was fortunate to start at the same time Alonso debuted, not sure anyone deserves any credit for how well he performed right away - he's just a monster.
But most who remained of the above regressed last year amidst the conflict of philosophy that led to Chili getting fired 1 month in - specifically Dom, McNeil, Conforto.
I don't absolve Chili of any blame in that but I do think if this were a binary choice between the philosophies deployed in 19/20 under chili and whatever the opposing philosophy was in 21 I'd choose the former.
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not even a huge Khalil Lee guy but to judge anything regarding his ability to hit on... 18 AB's... yes, Khalil Lee had 18 ab's in the majors in 2021 (4 starts). He posted a .951 OPS in AAA. You don't give away a good SP prospect and a potential 4th OF for a 34 year old RP owed 16 million. Kimbrel 4.56 FIP with the White Sox, 3.97 in 2020 (and hurt) and 8.00... yes 8.00 in 2019. Completely dominant 36 innings with the Cubs before the trade, otherwise red flags galore.
I like Lee. Probably more than you. And I like Ginn. But I don't think that's a horrid trade proposal. I think it would take a similar package. The difference is with the Mets it's their 5th and 8th ranked prospects.
With teams with a strong farm system, they would be their 10th and 25th ranked players.
Again, I'm not saying I would do the trade. I'd rather they throw money at relievers like you said. I just think that value-wise, that's not as bad a trade as you are making it out to be. I think it would take a similar package to get Kimbrel.
Very few teams have a JT Ginn as a #10 prospect. He was a lock 1st round pick and then had TJ. How many teams have a guy like that as their #10 prospect coming off a solid first year back? And how many teams are taking on a 16 million dollar RP? The Angels traded NOTHING for Iglesias last season. Off-season RP's offer very little trade value.
Just going on MLB.com's prospect rankings, Dodgers and Rays 9th ranked players are both 50 prospects. Depending on whether they like Ginn better than those, he could be 10.
Obviously the Rays wouldn't take on the money.
I was estimating when I said 10. But looking at the lists, it would likely be more around 8 for a lot of teams with good depth. I just don't think it's too outlandish of a deal.
"Nick Plummer, OF
We liked Plummer in high school but multiple hand surgeries have derailed the early stages of a career that was already likely to start slowly due to his background (he was a Michigan high schooler who only saw good pitching during the summer). Pro scouts don’t consider him a prospect, but we’re keeping an eye on him because of his pedigree."
Maybe he figured something out in 2021 but it's very, very uncommon for legit prospects to be allowed to hit FA (which happened with the Cardinals). He'll be 26 years old in July, 2 full years older than Lee
"Nick Plummer, OF
We liked Plummer in high school but multiple hand surgeries have derailed the early stages of a career that was already likely to start slowly due to his background (he was a Michigan high schooler who only saw good pitching during the summer). Pro scouts don’t consider him a prospect, but we’re keeping an eye on him because of his pedigree."
Maybe he figured something out in 2021 but it's very, very uncommon for legit prospects to be allowed to hit FA (which happened with the Cardinals). He'll be 26 years old in July, 2 full years older than Lee
I know he was dumped by the Cards. He's now the Mets 9th prospect. That was my point.
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"Nick Plummer, OF
We liked Plummer in high school but multiple hand surgeries have derailed the early stages of a career that was already likely to start slowly due to his background (he was a Michigan high schooler who only saw good pitching during the summer). Pro scouts don’t consider him a prospect, but we’re keeping an eye on him because of his pedigree."
Maybe he figured something out in 2021 but it's very, very uncommon for legit prospects to be allowed to hit FA (which happened with the Cardinals). He'll be 26 years old in July, 2 full years older than Lee
I know he was dumped by the Cards. He's now the Mets 9th prospect. That was my point.
Plummer really has nothing to do with Lee. Lee may turn out a total bust and a NP but he's had 18 MLB AB's and mashed in AAA (even with the noted inflated BABIP and high K%). Teams do not give up 2 "top 10" prospects in their system including a guy that went first round, got hurt and still went second round with a high bonus, had a strong/solid debut season for a 34 year old RP making big money coming off a poor second half and poor recent history (2019, 2020 with a very strong first half 2021). It would be beyond unusual. Again, Iglesias was moved to LAA for nothing.
Steamer likes him better but still nothing special. 3.68 FIP, that would be good for 60th in baseball vs. 2021 numbers.
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One big reason the Mets haven't officially announced any of the coaching additions yet: "Very thorough" background checks for everybody.
Odds that the season starts on time?
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I'm actually 70/30 in favor
And I'll tell you why
It's a mess right now, but on a fundamental level, they're not so far apart on things.
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So I think it's longer than ideal to get serious
but then when talks become actually serious, it starts quickly
well, goes quickly
@DeeshaThosar
To clear the air: Mets were considering Eric Chavez to become their bench coach before deciding he's a better fit as hitting coach, per sources. The team now intends to name a younger, analytics-driven individual as its bench coach.
An industry talent evaluator said on the condition of anonymity that Elian Soto is not regarded as “premium” a talent as was his brother, who received a $1.5 million signing bonus from the Nationals in 2015.
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Meet the Manager Baseball!
Reid Brignac set to lead the 2022 @RumblePoniesBB
along with the rest of the coaching staff:
Jerome Williams, Pitching Coach
Tommy Joseph, Hitting Coach
Mariano Duncan, Bench Coach
Ryan Orr, Performance Coach
Vanessa Weisbach, Athletic Trainer
@NYPost_Mets
Edgardo Alfonzo has reached out to the Mets hoping for a return in a coaching or player development capacity, but hasn't received any indication the organization is interested in rehiring him. Alfonzo still makes occasional appearances at Citi Field as a club ambassador.
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AvatarDan Szymborski
12:22
I'm actually 70/30 in favor
And I'll tell you why
It's a mess right now, but on a fundamental level, they're not so far apart on things.
12:23
So I think it's longer than ideal to get serious
but then when talks become actually serious, it starts quickly
well, goes quickly
Passan wrote a good article yesterday where he polled a bunch of people on all sides (GMs, agents, even an owner) and had a list of common sense compromises that seem very likely to be where the CBA ends up going.
I don't see the same players racing to get deals signed in the old CBA being enthusiastic about missing paychecks. And unlike 2020 the owners can't comfortably sit back without fear of losing revenue as they did when there were no fans.
when it happens who knows but i think it gets done without missing games.
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Fangraphs had Plummer outside the Cardinals to 40 prospects with the note
"Nick Plummer, OF
We liked Plummer in high school but multiple hand surgeries have derailed the early stages of a career that was already likely to start slowly due to his background (he was a Michigan high schooler who only saw good pitching during the summer). Pro scouts don’t consider him a prospect, but we’re keeping an eye on him because of his pedigree."
Maybe he figured something out in 2021 but it's very, very uncommon for legit prospects to be allowed to hit FA (which happened with the Cardinals). He'll be 26 years old in July, 2 full years older than Lee
I know he was dumped by the Cards. He's now the Mets 9th prospect. That was my point.
Plummer really has nothing to do with Lee. Lee may turn out a total bust and a NP but he's had 18 MLB AB's and mashed in AAA (even with the noted inflated BABIP and high K%). Teams do not give up 2 "top 10" prospects in their system including a guy that went first round, got hurt and still went second round with a high bonus, had a strong/solid debut season for a 34 year old RP making big money coming off a poor second half and poor recent history (2019, 2020 with a very strong first half 2021). It would be beyond unusual. Again, Iglesias was moved to LAA for nothing.
I agree the Mets won't be doing it. Because it is two top 10 prospects in THEIR system, and they have Cohen so they have plenty of money to burn. Though my estimations may have turned out to be a bit of hyperbole, Ginn and especially Lee would not be near the prospect ranking for teams with a deep farm. My point was that I don't think the value is too crazy.
An industry talent evaluator said on the condition of anonymity that Elian Soto is not regarded as “premium” a talent as was his brother, who received a $1.5 million signing bonus from the Nationals in 2015.
For what it's worth, Vlad Jr. claims the following: Vladimir Guerrero Jr. told Hector Gomez that Elian, who played in 2021 at the age of 15, hits the ball "harder than Juan Soto when he was 15 years old."
More importantly, Juan Soto is a FA in 3 years, brother will be 18 then. Elian would be a huge get for the Mets. I seem to recall Soto also intimating something about NY. Mets have as good a chance as any at landing him. Juan will be 26. Contract will be insane.
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Great interview. This is a hell of a quote. Couldn't agree more about not throwing at bats away. Also the connection to Long seems notable given how well he was thought of here.
what is perhaps even more notable is that it's not just talk, in his age 34 season with the Yankees he posted the highest rc of his career over 313 plate appearances.
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Full coaching staff for the Low-A St. Lucie Mets in 2022:
Manager: Robbie Robinson
Hitting: Victor Burgos
Pitching: Victor Ramos
Bench: Gilbert Gomez
Burgos is new to the organization, Ramos was in the DSL last year (coaching Joel Diaz), Robinson and Gomez were in the FCL.
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Full coaching staff for the Low-A St. Lucie Mets in 2022:
Manager: Robbie Robinson
Hitting: Victor Burgos
Pitching: Victor Ramos
Bench: Gilbert Gomez
Burgos is new to the organization, Ramos was in the DSL last year (coaching Joel Diaz), Robinson and Gomez were in the FCL.
Diaz was named as one of BA's 10 sleeper pitching prospects. Definitely one to watch.
I missed 04. And honestly it wasn't really intended to say that Chavez got better or had his best year - there were a bunch of other years where he posted better BA or SLG% or K/BB rates - more that it's impressive he found a way to adapt productively.
Even taking into account the a35/36 years in AZ, most players can't say that they found a way in the last 3 years of their careers to post numbers above their career averages.
Interesting @RumblePoniesBB manager Reid Brignac and pitching coach Jerome Williams were teammates on the 2014 @Phillies
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Here is the coaching staff for the High-A Brooklyn Cyclones in 2022:
Manager: Luis Rivera
Hitting: Richie Benes
Pitching: AJ Sager
Bench: Chris Newell
Sager is new to the organization, having previously been the Tigers’ minor league pitching coordinator.
Interesting @RumblePoniesBB manager Reid Brignac and pitching coach Jerome Williams were teammates on the 2014 @Phillies
Granderson would have been a really nice addition. That was a risky signing off his injuries but he was a really good met. should probably be even more beloved than he is because he was really probably the most valuable individual player by fwar bridging the no playoff group from 14 and the playoff years of 15/16. and he delivered in the playoffs with a near 900 ops during the WS run.
@NYPost_Mets
Edgardo Alfonzo has reached out to the Mets hoping for a return in a coaching or player development capacity, but hasn't received any indication the organization is interested in rehiring him. Alfonzo still makes occasional appearances at Citi Field as a club ambassador.
So Fonzi leads the only Mets affiliate to win a title in forever or at least a rare title and he's promptly fired and asked never to return.
makes sense.
The Reds are being innovative this season, and a good example of this is the hiring of Jeff Pickler as an outfield and game-planning coach. Pickler spent the past 12 years working in scouting, player development and game strategy with an extensive background in analytics. While playing at the University of Tennessee, Pickler won Southeastern Conference Player of the Year and was a first-team All-American. He also was named Scholar Athlete of the Year in 1998 before graduating magna cum laude and later earning a master’s degree in teaching from National University.
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Nimmo
Marte
Lindor
Alonso
Schwarber
Canha
McNeil
Escobar
McCann
would be one hell of a lineup.
and with JDD/Cano on bench Dom would be a pretty expendable piece to go out to bring back a SP.
this one was good too bc that NYY/SEA series has always stuck with me - rooting against the evil empire right before they became the evil empire:
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Pitching side far less optimistic
ZiPS is not high on the Mets pitching depth with only 2 P's projected for 2+ fWAR and Megill/Walker tied for 3rd best SP... 1.3 fWAR #Mets
Good to see them predict strong McNeil and Lindor bounce backs (both right around .800 ops). Alonso doesn't need a bounce back but still a very strong projection (41 homers, 110 rbis). Every position except catcher projected above 2 fwar. And they will also probably have DH spot available and adding someone like Schwarber could be a gamechanger. Zips projected Schwarber at 2.5 war w/ 30 homers and a near .900 ops.
"The Mets project rather well, though health and depth concerns with the pitching staff linger. "
I'm not formulating my own story here, HE said it
I’m confident about the Mets’ lineup, but I’m less sure here. Not because of the quality of the pitchers, mind you, but rather their health. We currently have the rotation as the best in baseball in our depth charts, but I happen to think the playing time scenarios are more optimistic than I would be."
He has Peterson/Williams/and "see if Lugo can start" as the depth at the MLB/High minors level.
Schwarber would be fun. Really easy guy to root for.
But what's wrong with commenting on the current roster makeup and pointing out the needs? I don't think any non-hyper optimistic person would be confident with Carrasco/Walker/Megill/Peterson as your 3-6 SP's opening day.
do you think the will add more pitchers to their depth chart between now and ST?
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the best in baseball because they have deGrom and Scherzer combining for a projected 11.2 fWAR. They have the other 8 SP's on their depth chart COMBINING for 7.7.
do you think the will add more pitchers to their depth chart between now and ST?
Again, I'm kind of confused. Since when it pointing out flaws/needs not something that is done by fans of any sport? If anything ZiPS is saying the Mets have 2 incredible pitchers but after them need more. I'm legit confused with your issue here? Just point out the strengths of the team and not that they pretty clearly could use a legit SP and not rely on what they have internally?
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but would any of us take a bet that they don't add more SP before ST begins? No matter what odds I was given I would not take that bet.
But what's wrong with commenting on the current roster makeup and pointing out the needs? I don't think any non-hyper optimistic person would be confident with Carrasco/Walker/Megill/Peterson as your 3-6 SP's opening day.
there's nothing wrong with it except it's obvious and already pretty well known. the mets have been public about the fact that they need more SP. Eppler said he wanted to add 2 or 3 SP before signing Scherzer. it's not like this is a typical offseason where they are sitting on their hands not addressing a need. I don't see anything all that notable in a projection telling us something we already knew. this team needs another #2/3 starter.
given the offseason is on pause i see more value in the projection model's data for the players that are signed rather than what's still on the to do list.
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but would any of us take a bet that they don't add more SP before ST begins? No matter what odds I was given I would not take that bet.
But what's wrong with commenting on the current roster makeup and pointing out the needs? I don't think any non-hyper optimistic person would be confident with Carrasco/Walker/Megill/Peterson as your 3-6 SP's opening day.
there's nothing wrong with it except it's obvious and already pretty well known. the mets have been public about the fact that they need more SP. Eppler said he wanted to add 2 or 3 SP before signing Scherzer. it's not like this is a typical offseason where they are sitting on their hands not addressing a need. I don't see anything all that notable in a projection telling us something we already knew. this team needs another #2/3 starter.
given the offseason is on pause i see more value in the projection model's data for the players that are signed rather than what's still on the to do list.
But where am I bitching about their "lack of effort"? I'm pointing out that ZiPS is not high on the Mets SP beyond the big 2. They think Taijuan Walker is what we saw last year, a 4th or 5th SP, and Williams/Peterson "filler" back end types. Lucchesi (who may not pitch in 2022) is their 3rd best SP projection.
I'm surprised after the Matt Arnold stuff how many people don't understand that there is no "rule" about granting promotions. Came up again yesterday with the Flaherty news.
But where am I bitching about their "lack of effort"? I'm pointing out that ZiPS is not high on the Mets SP beyond the big 2.
I didn't say you were bitching about anything im saying that part of the zips projection is uninteresting to me because it's likely they are just placeholders for other players (nothing to do with you). I think there's a better than 50-50 shot both Peterson/Megill are in AAA to start the year.
is it not fair to be more focused on the projections for the players who are more likely if not certain to actually be on the active roster?
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But where am I bitching about their "lack of effort"? I'm pointing out that ZiPS is not high on the Mets SP beyond the big 2.
I didn't say you were bitching about anything im saying that part of the zips projection is uninteresting to me because it's likely they are just placeholders for other players (nothing to do with you). I think there's a better than 50-50 shot both Peterson/Megill are in AAA to start the year.
is it not fair to be more focused on the projections for the players who are more likely if not certain to actually be on the active roster?
I didn't find any of their projections to be that interesting/outlandish. I guess them being THAT high on Alonso is notable but Lindor etc about what you'd expect.
I didn't find any of their projections to be that interesting/outlandish. I guess them being THAT high on Alonso is notable but Lindor etc about what you'd expect.
I don't disagree - Lindor maybe a little higher than expected and Marte/McNeil a little lower. Dom and JDD are both low too.
To me the most notable things were in order:
1. Lindor projection matching the 2nd best year of his career (4.7 war) - that's a strong projection and one I'd possibly take the under on. Though I do also think he has an opportunity for a true "pop year" kind of like Beltran's 2nd year here where he way exceeds expectations so maybe 4.7 is an accurate median outcome.
2. All 3 new hitters above 2.0 war. This is another outcome I'd possibly bet against. Individually I'd take the over on Marte (2.8) but the under on Escobar (2.9). Canha at 2.0 I could see either way. But all 3 over 2.0 seems aggressive considering first years in NY. I'd guess 1 of them has a mccann style disappointing year.
3. McNeil bounce back. I think they are still low on him likely because of where he falls in an age curve, but it's a statistical model so it's good to see statistically they see him bouncing back.
I would say the strength of the roster is that Alonso, McNeil, Lindor, Marte are all true top of division players - and zips seems to mostly agree with that. Nimmo too but that's pending health. JDG/Scherzer are the key to postseason success but over 162 games the every day guys are the key to winning 90+ and allowing the organization to do what's necessary to get to the postseason with JDG/Scherzer in their best form.
Carlos Carrasco is usually very effective when healthy, but he was limited to twelve starts last year by various injuries and underwent postseason surgery to remove a bone fragment from his elbow. He’s not expected to miss much more than a bit of Spring Training action, but it’s the latest in a rather significant injury history for the 34-year-old. Taijuan Walker stayed healthy last season, but he followed up an All-Star first half with a 7.13 ERA/6.79 FIP after the Break. David Peterson struggled and battled oblique and foot injuries last season. Tylor Megill showed promising strikeout and walk numbers but gave up a lot of hard contact when batters did put the ball in play.
At least adding some sort of stabilizing back-of-the-rotation presence would seem to be a priority. The Reds and A’s are expected to make some higher-impact arms available via trade, and other teams like the Marlins and Brewers might have enough pitching depth to consider dealing a back-end guy for offensive help." As is the case with virtually every contender, the Mets could probably stand to add a reliever or two. Last year’s bullpen was a top ten unit by both ERA and strikeout/walk rate differential. But Aaron Loup has already departed, and Jeurys Familia (in whom the Mets apparently have some interest in re-signing) and midseason pickups Heath Hembree and Brad Hand all hit free agency.
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"DeGrom's status for the start of the 2022 season is unclear. But he demonstrated last year that when he's on the mound, he is the best there is, maybe the best there ever was."
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2. Sign Schwarber (MLBTR projects 4x70m)
3. Trade for another depth starter with options (a la Trevor Williams)
4. Add 2 veteran relievers on 2 year deals (Lugo Diaz and May are entering walk years, makes sense to hedge next year's pen, I'd go for 2 w/ highest upside like McHugh, hope 1/2 hits). Would also bring back Familia on a 1 year.
That should add about $40m more to the payroll to take it right around $275-285m (though the CBT payroll total will be higher than that).
Agreed on the playing time but I expect his performance when he plays to be relatively predictable/durable because I his core skills getting on base are pretty durable. the zips projected triple slash is basically his career average across the board.
Yup.
Britt Ghiroli
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Sources confirm: Elian Soto will be a National. It will not be until Jan of 2023. (If there's not a draft.) Heard big brother Juan was a factor.
First: @ByronKerr
Came on here to post that, as I just saw that. Sucks
I’m really dreading the expanded playoffs. 7 teams per league is going to be a mess. Hoping against hope the players can hold out at 6 per.
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I was told "not much more than the Mets paid". He's going to the Nats because of his brother. He didn't get much money to sign because he's not viewed as a big prospect.
that's interesting that someone requested interviewing a met employee. I could definitely see someone requesting Hefner during that period before Buck got hired. The FO guys harder to imagine since all were recently promoted and have basically been mets for a long time. but not impossible for the draft guys since they've done so well.
re: bailey I have no idea whether he is a good coach or a bad coach but I do like that they were open to bringing another pitching coach background on board given Hefner's inexperience.
i also like that they are getting blocked so much because that means they are going for the right people.
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...The Nationals offer, sources say, will be larger than $50,000 but still well below the $1.5 million the organization gave to Juan in 2016, which was a record amount for the organization at the time for a teenaged international free agent....
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I was told "not much more than the Mets paid". He's going to the Nats because of his brother. He didn't get much money to sign because he's not viewed as a big prospect.
yeah, I was just sharing the slight correction from the Athletic article.
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I like Nimmo but he needs to stay on the field. If he has a big year, we can make him a qualifying offer and no one is going outbid us for him if we want to keep him and he wants to stay.
presumably it's a younger analytically focused coach along the lines of Bailey/Pickler. i like the general open mindedness of the process they've run with the staff so im sure it will be someone well regarded (as those 2 were said to be).
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now repped by Boras. My guess is the Mets are willing to do something similar to what they offered Conforto a year ago. Going to Boras is shrewd because he now has that insight but if I were the mets I wouldn't go beyond the number for nimmo. Just too injury prone. Mets' Brandon Nimmo Switches Agencies Ahead Of Potential Contract Negotiations - ( New Window )
I like Nimmo but he needs to stay on the field. If he has a big year, we can make him a qualifying offer and no one is going outbid us for him if we want to keep him and he wants to stay.
agree. the only reason to extend was if it were a fair deal like Buxton signed. That's not why you switch to Boras ahead of a negotiation though.
That was Chavez. They considered him as Buck's bench coach, then settled on hitting coach.
Bobby Valentine remains on the Mets’ radar as a potential special assistant in the front office. The 71-year-old Valentine recently retired from Sacred Heart University, where he served as the athletic director for eight years. Valentine, who managed the Rangers, Mets and Red Sox, has been largely removed from MLB since 2012. Last year he lost in a bid to become mayor of his hometown, Stamford, Conn. It’s unclear, however, to what degree Valentine would want to be involved if he returns to baseball.
Valentine says a lot of BS but he said he personally recommended Buck to Peter Angelos when he got the Orioles job, he also said he's worked with Buck on TV.
Doubt the paycheck is all that significant. Both Al Leiter and John Franco are on the Mets payroll as advisors and at least in Leiter's case apparently had "nothing" to do with the 2021 team after ST broke.
Sandwiches have been around for what, centuries? Most people felt like we have seen what sandwiches have to offer.
Then comes the wrap (out of necessity due to a broken toaster if you believe the anecdote). Bravo, Bobby V. I support this hiring.
NOT BEING POLITICAL JUST FACTUAL... Christie suggested Valentine to Trump as a potential Ambassador to Japan.
also not political but he just ran a campaign for political office meaning bobby v is well credentialed as a figure head, especially in the thing he knows best (baseball).
Less goofball, more in-the-dirt straight-on baseball, is what's needed.
Less goofball, more in-the-dirt straight-on baseball, is what's needed.
Valentine (if he comes in) will be a special assistant in the FO. Again, Leiter/Franco have these titles now. They mean almost nothing.
guesses:
higher LTT close to player's ask ($230-$245m)
eliminate draft pick compensation/penalties tied to FA/LTT
14 team playoff / universal DH
no change to service time
MLB revenues have increased every year (source).
MLB player salaries in aggregate have not (source).
those are the "core economics" both sides are haggling over. The players feel entitled to more money because the owners are getting increased revenues and franchise valuations while the portion of the pie the players are receiving has bounced around.
from the second sourced article by Passan above:
The MLBPA's business is getting the players compensated and like every business they presumably want YoY growth if business good. My guess is their main goal is to get above 4.25bn and on track for consistent growth. The question is where they find that $200m+?
the simplest tool is raising the LTT. Only 2 teams exceeded it last year and 5 teams went right up to it without exceeding. It stands to reason the 5 teams would each spend more if it were higher and may even be eager to do so. The MLBPA proposed raising it to $245m which is $35m per team so if all 5 of those teams increased their spending that's an extra $175m right there (though that's an aggressive raise so all 5 might not spend all of it). The owners previous proposal went up to $214m so they are $34m apart. There's a good bet that gap narrows in this next proposal. I'd guess the owners offer is around $220m and eventually via negotiations they meet in the middle raising it to $225m-230m with set yoy increases.
There will be other stuff discussed that benefits one side or the other (additional playoff revenue for owners, DH which adds more well paid jobs for players, higher league minimum/benefits for minor leaguers) but the core is going to be the LTT imo. As much as small market owners may bitch I think they'd rather let big market owners spend more than be subject to a payroll floor (which would be the better/fairer solution). And as much as the players bitch about service time those changes would only impact a small subset of overage players.
Anthony DiComo
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Breaking: The Mets will retire Keith Hernandez's No. 17 in a ceremony this July 9. A long overdue honor for a beloved Met.
Howie Rose
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The retirement of Keith Hernandez’s number 17 is one of the most joyous announcements in Mets franchise history. Long time coming, but just perfect in conjunction with the upcoming 60th anniversary season. Bravo to the soul of a championship team.
@Metsmerized
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“Keith Hernandez, “I’m thrilled…I was very emotional when Steve called to let me know about the number retirement. This is the highest honor an organization can bestow upon a player. I also want to thank Mets fans, who have treated me like family since I arrived in 1983.”
Never stopped the Ponzis from parading them out there for '86 mets merchandise and ticket sales.
Just the worst owners.
LTT increase of $20m with looser penalties for overage should be worth about $100m
don't know what increasing the minimum salary is but I'd guess close to $25m
increasing pay in the minors would probably be even more than that
so bottomline it's pretty easy to find ~$200m more for the players.
and for the majority of owners it won't be any more of out their pocket if you net out the increase in playoff revenue.
never put anything past these 2 sides but there's no reason anyone should miss games. going to war over issues that only impact a small subset like overage FAs is pointless.
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Bassitt is a FA. A's would be getting rid of him for because they aren't going to pay him. That is a perfectly fair deal, and one I don't know I would do from the Mets perspective. A's may not want JDD and may prefer another prospect with more control, but they wouldn't hang up.
With 25 HRs in 83 games last year at the age of 21 in AA/AAA, I really wouldn't want to part with him for a rental like this. I'd prefer the Mets kept Alvarez, Baty, Mauricio, and Vientos. I could see giving up Mauricio or Vientos as the headline in a deal for a SP with at least a few years of control, but not a FA to be
not saying he's wrong - the mets shopped JDD all last year and seemingly nobody wanted him. He may not have any value. So it's basically whatever oakland thinks of Vientos, and he projects to have a similar profile to JDD (big RH power but no D value).
I'd personally prefer to hold Vientos more than Dom Smith but i'd imagine Bowden and many others would think Dom has way more value than Vientos. Every individual team will have different judgements on all players, albeit far more informed than any of us. Value wise a top 100ish prospect + another piece (like JDD) seems reasonable for a FA to be if the rumors are correct and oakland is looking to save $.
LTT increase of $20m with looser penalties for overage should be worth about $100m
don't know what increasing the minimum salary is but I'd guess close to $25m
increasing pay in the minors would probably be even more than that
so bottomline it's pretty easy to find ~$200m more for the players.
and for the majority of owners it won't be any more of out their pocket if you net out the increase in playoff revenue.
never put anything past these 2 sides but there's no reason anyone should miss games. going to war over issues that only impact a small subset like overage FAs is pointless.
Eno says the DH is worth very little to the players and isn't something they should focus on.
not saying he's wrong - the mets shopped JDD all last year and seemingly nobody wanted him. He may not have any value. So it's basically whatever oakland thinks of Vientos, and he projects to have a similar profile to JDD (big RH power but no D value).
I'd personally prefer to hold Vientos more than Dom Smith but i'd imagine Bowden and many others would think Dom has way more value than Vientos. Every individual team will have different judgements on all players, albeit far more informed than any of us. Value wise a top 100ish prospect + another piece (like JDD) seems reasonable for a FA to be if the rumors are correct and oakland is looking to save $.
The piece was fan submitted trade ideas that he commented on. He claims the Mariners would pass on Hancock for Reynolds, I find that very, very, very hard to believe. But yeah he seemingly doesn't view JDD or Vientos having a ton of trade value. Also says the Reds wouldn't be all that in Mauricio, aiming for OF's and SPing. Neither of which are strengths for the Mets system.
Vientos: “Yeah, that comes with my approach. I know my game, and my power is center, right center, right field, left center. Personally, I don’t try to pull the ball; I try to hit everything up the middle. That keeps my swing… it keeps my hands inside, instead of yanking the ball. It also helps me recognize spin a lot more, because I’m letting the ball travel deeper.”
Laurila: Do you know the distance of your longest home run?
Vientos: “I’ve heard 480 [feet], but that was in 2019 and wasn’t recorded. On TrackMan, I hit one 460 earlier this year. It was to left center.”
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I should note, he knew the Mets prospects better than most people on the planet given the fact he ran the alternate site.
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LTT increase of $20m with looser penalties for overage should be worth about $100m
don't know what increasing the minimum salary is but I'd guess close to $25m
increasing pay in the minors would probably be even more than that
so bottomline it's pretty easy to find ~$200m more for the players.
and for the majority of owners it won't be any more of out their pocket if you net out the increase in playoff revenue.
never put anything past these 2 sides but there's no reason anyone should miss games. going to war over issues that only impact a small subset like overage FAs is pointless.
Eno says the DH is worth very little to the players and isn't something they should focus on.
yeah I saw his tweet and thought it was incredibly stupid other than the valuation.
a) 15 new starting spots is valuable. It is 15 more players who get paid more every year, not to mention increasing the market competition for the other 15 clubs in the AL. And anyone who can swing a bat is a candidate (as opposed to say the small universe of players who would get paid earlier bc they are overages if the service time changed). He literally put the value on it and $50m is quite significant.
b) he made a comment that it helps the owners because pitchers don't get hurt as much. Isn't that also good news for the half of the players association that are pitchers?
DH is a no-brainer for both sides which is why everyone is so certain it will be in.
I think Vientos is a great fit for DH and maybe a little LF/1B on occasion. Also why I think adding someone like Schwarber would be great because it would leave open some at bats for a righty.
I think the at bats this year penciled in for Canha, Escobar, and DH are the future at bats for Baty/Vientos as they prove ready for the pro game.
Agreed. As should Gooden. Both were on legitimate HOF trajectories until their problems took over. Should at least have their numbers retired.
Strawberry and his wife actually run a ministry down in South Florida. I saw him at a restaurant. Always feel weird about going up to people, but I did tell him I was a big fan.
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I think Vientos is a great fit for DH and maybe a little LF/1B on occasion. Also why I think adding someone like Schwarber would be great because it would leave open some at bats for a righty.
I think the at bats this year penciled in for Canha, Escobar, and DH are the future at bats for Baty/Vientos as they prove ready for the pro game.
Yeah, agreed that I would rather trade Dom than Vientos. His kind of power is pretty special. May even rival Alonso's.
Mets did set it up nicely with Escobar and Canha having two year deals, to be hopefully supplanted by the young guys. Alvarez should also be ready to take over fulltime from McCann by the time his contract is up as well
Agreed on Baty. I think he phases in next year when Escobar is in his walk year.
If Vientos plays well I think he comes up at some point when a spot arises (JDD, Canha, Escobar, or Alonso gets hurt, etc).
If he forces the issue with a 1.000 ops or something right away then I think they have to give him some DH time.
The main thing is that 2 years from now it's in the organizations best interest to have those 2 backfill Canha/Escobar so they can reallocate that $20m+ aav elsewhere.
Yeah, agreed that I would rather trade Dom than Vientos. His kind of power is pretty special. May even rival Alonso's.
Mets did set it up nicely with Escobar and Canha having two year deals, to be hopefully supplanted by the young guys. Alvarez should also be ready to take over fulltime from McCann by the time his contract is up as well
Mauricio could also time nicely with Marte in the OF.
Vientos' power in the minors last year was definitely comparable to Alonso-only, and he was younger than Alonso was when he reached those levels, and he got covid in the middle of the year.
The upside of 2 Alonso level RH bats in the middle of the lineup is almost incomprehensible and not upside I'd give up easily since he's so close to debuting. Not to rehash but it was far easier to give up PCA even if he's a safer bet down the road.
@Jacob_Resnick
Since 2006, players to hit 20+ HR with a .920+ OPS before turning 22 at Double-A:
Mark Vientos (‘21)
Javier Báez (‘13)
Oscar Taveras (‘12)
Mike Moustakas (‘10)
Giancarlo Stanton (‘10)
Evan Longoria (‘07)
Colby Rasmus (‘07)
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Scouts came away with questions in regard to Baty. There is some belief he was simply tired after a long season but the swing looked long and slow (trouble with good velocity). I'm not particularly concerned but a 118 wRC+ is solid but not "he's very close to being a big big leaguer" good. That was good for 4th on his own team. I'm big on Baty but also think he's a year or so away.
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Keith Hernandez says that the Mets are going to have an Old Timers Day this year.
A conforto level hitter would be a great outcome, especially if he can stick at 3b.
lose Pete Schourek off of waivers, 1995 he finishes 2nd in NL CY voting. Never again does he ever come close to approaching that level of success.
lose Pete Schourek off of waivers, 1995 he finishes 2nd in NL CY voting. Never again does he ever come close to approaching that level of success.
That is bizarre. I did not remember him having a year that good. He was a swingman for them. I know he was in the bullpen on Ken Griffey Jr. Presents Major League Baseball. Trying to recall the team, but they had Gooden, Young, Saberhagen, Hillman and Sid in the rotation. Franco, Maddux, Innis in the bullpen with Schourek. Lineup I can recall Kent, Thompson, HoJo (my personal favorite childhood player), Coleman, Darrin Jackson, Eddie Murray, Hundley. Bench I remember Orsulak, Gallagher, Charlie O'Brien, and Chico Walker. I know I am missing a few players from that team.
Anyone ever play that game, or am I talking to myself? My alltime favorite video game. About 14 when it came out. I remember buying the baseball almanac, so I could put the players in. Classic
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Anyone ever play that game, or am I talking to myself? My alltime favorite video game. About 14 when it came out. I remember buying the baseball almanac, so I could put the players in. Classic Link - ( New Window )
I liked Griffey baseball on N64 better this this one which was SNES.
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lose Pete Schourek off of waivers, 1995 he finishes 2nd in NL CY voting. Never again does he ever come close to approaching that level of success.
That is bizarre. I did not remember him having a year that good. He was a swingman for them. I know he was in the bullpen on Ken Griffey Jr. Presents Major League Baseball. Trying to recall the team, but they had Gooden, Young, Saberhagen, Hillman and Sid in the rotation. Franco, Maddux, Innis in the bullpen with Schourek. Lineup I can recall Kent, Thompson, HoJo (my personal favorite childhood player), Coleman, Darrin Jackson, Eddie Murray, Hundley. Bench I remember Orsulak, Gallagher, Charlie O'Brien, and Chico Walker. I know I am missing a few players from that team.
I was randomly looking at CY voting and it reminded me of some forgotten random strong seasons and forgotten solid SP's... John Smiley, Shane Reynolds etc. I did not remember Schourek's huge season myself.
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lose Pete Schourek off of waivers, 1995 he finishes 2nd in NL CY voting. Never again does he ever come close to approaching that level of success.
That is bizarre. I did not remember him having a year that good. He was a swingman for them. I know he was in the bullpen on Ken Griffey Jr. Presents Major League Baseball. Trying to recall the team, but they had Gooden, Young, Saberhagen, Hillman and Sid in the rotation. Franco, Maddux, Innis in the bullpen with Schourek. Lineup I can recall Kent, Thompson, HoJo (my personal favorite childhood player), Coleman, Darrin Jackson, Eddie Murray, Hundley. Bench I remember Orsulak, Gallagher, Charlie O'Brien, and Chico Walker. I know I am missing a few players from that team.
What I remember is that the Mets sent PS down because Dallas Green felt he did not have "belly." And IIRC, they kept some reliever who sucked and was cut a few weeks later.
I remember his having a really good year after he left Mets but just looked at his stats and he kind of faded after that.
Eddie Murray (HOF)
Hojo
Bobby Bo
Vince Coleman
Todd Hundley
Jeromy Burnitz
That's a lot of talent. I guess some guys had not developed yet and others were past their prime a bit. But, damn, they should have won more than 59 games!
Evan Drellich
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MLB’s proposal today didn’t encourage the players. A couple small changes. Expectations weren’t high going in, so in that regard, the proposal actually went mostly as expected. Remember, movement tends to wait until the last minute (or beyond):
@JonHeyman
MLB raised pay for younger players (higher minimum salary and more money for Super 2s) in their proposal. Players union saw overall offer as “disappointing.” No word about a counter yet. Long way to go (but fortunately there’s still time)
At the moment though the reality is that the owners are negotiating against themselves until the players make an offer, and the players not engaging makes it unlikely the owners will change their's much because they want to anchor their end as low as possible.
The players need to counter with something or else they will be the ones not negotiating in good faith this time.
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The Mets have signed left-handed reliever Alex Claudio to a minor league deal per @BaseballAmerica
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Claudio had a 5.51 ERA in the big leagues last season, but had a career 3.44 ERA coming into the year.
Nogosek also returns on a minor league deal
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Plenty more coming in a story at ESPN but the broad strokes of MLB's proposal, per sources:
- Funnel additional money to all players with 2+ years service
- Award draft picks to teams that don't manipulate service of successful top prospects
- Tweaks to proposed draft lottery
@JonHeyman
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Players union disappointment stems from no change from where MLB was on the luxury tax (thresholds or penalties), free agency or revenue sharing. They also prefer to see a greater increase in minimum player salary than MLB has offered. A’s said dudes remain far apart.
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MLB remans dead set against lowering free agency from 6 years to 5. Part of the concern stems from the history of the big stars jumping from smaller markets to big markets when they hit free agency and belief this would hurt competitive balance.
DH = +50m for the players. Etc.
Expanded playoffs = extra revenue for all.
We can't expect MLB to negotiate with themselves. It's the player's turn to counter and identify their priorities. Take the increases for young players and early service time, increase the LTT, find a middle ground of projected increase to players salaries overall and make a deal.
@JonHeyman
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MLB remans dead set against lowering free agency from 6 years to 5. Part of the concern stems from the history of the big stars jumping from smaller markets to big markets when they hit free agency and belief this would hurt competitive balance.
wah wah. LAD lost Scherzer/Seager, Charles Johnson is worth 5.9 BILLION and let Gausman go. This "small market" stuff is absurd. John Fisher has a net worth of 3 billion. He didn't feel the urge to pay Marte 19.5 per. Miami "small market" Marlins were the runner up to sign Marte and they offered him 2 years 30 million to stay before trading him.
Slusser cautioned it could still become an issue if tied to other issues but as a standalone both sides are okay with it.
@bnicholsonsmith
Also heard MLB owners offered a potential solution to service time manipulation in their proposal:
•if a highly-ranked prospect (within top 150 on prospect lists) plays a full year and finishes top five for a major award like MVP, Cy, RoY his team would get a bonus draft pick
like it or not the service time rules are the #1 thing keeping the small market teams viable. this gives them some incentive to be more aggressive with players who deserve it (the top prospects). Starting the clock earlier = more money and sooner for players.
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@bnicholsonsmith
Also heard MLB owners offered a potential solution to service time manipulation in their proposal:
•if a highly-ranked prospect (within top 150 on prospect lists) plays a full year and finishes top five for a major award like MVP, Cy, RoY his team would get a bonus draft pick
like it or not the service time rules are the #1 thing keeping the small market teams viable. this gives them some incentive to be more aggressive with players who deserve it (the top prospects). Starting the clock earlier = more money and sooner for players.
Players apparently 100% against this part of the proposal. DOA I was told.
@bnicholsonsmith
Also heard MLB’s offer to players today included 14 teams in playoffs
That's arguably players' biggest bargaining chip: owners clearly want expanded playoffs.
they need to pick their priorities and start compromising somewhere as opposed to just asking for accommodations. the next move is in their court to counter.
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MLB offered a formula to provide more money to players with 2-plus years of service time in attempt to address concern about younger stars being vastly underpaid. The increased offer in minimum salary from $570,500 to $600K in 2022 (then scaled up in ‘23, etc.) has been on table.
OF Simon Juan for $1.9 million and OF Willy Fanas to $1.5 million.
Neither side is clean in this. I'm not convinced the owners care about the state of baseball in 60 years either. We already siphon money from successful, competitive teams to small market teams in the name of competitive balance. That was done in the name of better equality and more competitive teams.
You'd have to really show me something to make me believe the owners don't just want to take money back from players to pocket. If this dispute was just about the good of the sport, the owners would open up the books and have an honest discourse about a path forward.
the small market owners cry poverty, some to obviously extreme lengths where their payrolls are a literal joke. but also gladly pocket revenue sharing and bemoan big markets spending.
all that said progress is incremental and given the reality that the players CBA is more generous than any other sport both sides should make some incremental progress to spare us fans of their bullshit.
unlike 2020 i blame the MLBPA more right now than the owners because they are talking out of both sides of their mouth. Every other sport has aligned salaries to a % of revenues (aka cap). That ensures salaries grow as revenues grow. And each sport has different nuances with hard caps, LTT, cap floors, etc. Pretty simple because team and player interests are aligned - grow the sport, grow the pot, grow the salaries. The MLBPA refuses to entertain that (remember the A-Rod comments he had to walk back?). Which is fine - if they like the current system better than a cap that's their right. But own it and negotiate in good faith towards a deal. If the owners don't like in 2020 then they will get the blame - like they did in 2020.