can maximize the offensive talent on this team after an underachieving 2021. I do not know much about him a s acoach but hoping he can take this offense to a higher level. The talent is certainly there.
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Former Mets executive Zack Scott has been found not guilty of driving while intoxicated and not guilty of the lesser charge of driving while ability impaired in White Plains city court this morning.
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Former Mets executive Zack Scott has been found not guilty of driving while intoxicated and not guilty of the lesser charge of driving while ability impaired in White Plains city court this morning.
This was the expected verdict. Below is an article from a few weeks ago, noting that this was expected:
"During the trial, Bendish argued that Scott didn't fail the standard field sobriety tests. And as seen on the bodycam footage shown during the trial, it did not indicate a person was intoxicated, as White Plains City Court judge Eric Press said. Press went onto note that Scott was basically parked in a lane of traffic when approached by the authorities."
"The prosecution's entire case was built off the bodycam footage as well as the testimony of two witnesses, the arresting officer Frank Confalone and sergeant John Guastella, both whom work for the White Plains Police Department."
in MA you either take a breathalyzer which if you pass you get let go, you fail you go to jail, or you refuse the breathalyzer in which case you are considered guilty and lose your license for a year. Not guilty of DUI per se, but of refusing to take a breathalyzer (and based on the field tests you may get a DUI still)
in MA you either take a breathalyzer which if you pass you get let go, you fail you go to jail, or you refuse the breathalyzer in which case you are considered guilty and lose your license for a year. Not guilty of DUI per se, but of refusing to take a breathalyzer (and based on the field tests you may get a DUI still)
Per the article: "Scott refused to take a chemical test to determine his blood-alcohol concentration, something Press described as a "major thing," with a negative tone behind it."
From a google search, I believe NY's law is different. Assuming by chemical test, they mean breathalyzer, a refusal to submit to a breathalyer results in a fine and a suspension of your license for a year. You can still separately be charged with DUI.
Per a criminal defense attorney's website, there are certain factors that must be met. I don't think the last two would apply here. But perhaps the arresting officer did not follow the first. Or Scott already lost his license as it was met. I don't know enough about those aspects, but it does appear that NY does not have the presumption of guilt based on a refusal of breathalyzer that some states do.
-By law, the arresting officer must make it clear that your license will be revoked if you refuse the test. In fact, police are required to (a) read this from a script and (b) state it twice. If this protocol was not followed, it may be possible to have your driving privileges restored, or even to get the charges dismissed.
-Police must measure your BAC within two hours of your arrest. During that period, you must be allowed to contact a lawyer, but only if you request it. If more than two hours passed or if you were prevented from getting legal advice, the refusal charge may not stand.
-Did the officer have probable cause to pull you over in the first place? If not, the drunk driving and Breathalyzer refusal charges may go away completely.
Don't know how good or bad of a choice he is, but he's long been regarded as a very smart baseball guy. Could go either way with a high profile ex-player. I assume they bring in an assistant HC as well.
a year ago scott thought he was going to build an analytics team
boy did things end up going in an unexpected direction for him. i think the org is better off with Eppler but feel for Scott given that he was thrust into a spotlight he just wasn't ready for. Hopefully like his statement said he's better on the other side of all this if/when he gets another shot (which he should at a non-GM level). I'd guess Boston scoops him up again.
Chavez seems like a perfectly acceptable hire. Assume there will be others on the staff with some of the other qualities necessary to prepare hitters but Chavez is i'm sure respected/liked by players and has had a nice diversity of experiences since retiring as a player. hitting is such an individual thing the first rules of hitting coaches should probably just be do no harm and be a good cheerleader. I'd expect Chavez should have a clear understanding of that perspective as well as the get on base mentality.
Don't know how good or bad of a choice he is, but he's long been regarded as a very smart baseball guy. Could go either way with a high profile ex-player. I assume they bring in an assistant HC as well.
Agreed it could go either way. Though I did like Chavez' approach to hitting as a player. He had good pop, but didn't have a crazy amount of strikeouts, and could work the count. Though the same could be said of Chili Davis...
I actually thought Chili had a mostly positive impact
there were obviously also some personnel changes (Alonso) that had a big impact from 2019 on but if you look back at it 2019 and 2020 were clearly the best seasons by the results (though 2020 certainly has an asterisk since it was the short year and Chili wasn't even there).
2018 - 9th in NL RC, 14 in NL BA
2019 - 2nd in NL RC, t-5th in NL BA
2020 - 1st in NL RC, 1st in NL BA
2021 - 8th in NL RC, 10th in NL BA
Chili was also clearly at least a little confrontational and hostile to any changes from the new regime, which is probably why he's been fired so frequently and never made it more than 3 seasons as a hitting coach anywhere. Moving on from him may have been justified but credit where it's due.
Net-net if Chavez has a similar approach but also more open minded with better people skills, then that sounds like a logical hire.
and whatever the price it might be wiser to just wait to buy a reliever in the middle of a good year for the stretch run at the deadline vs. guessing now.
there's enough out there in FA to build depth necessary for the regular season.
RE: I actually thought Chili had a mostly positive impact
there were obviously also some personnel changes (Alonso) that had a big impact from 2019 on but if you look back at it 2019 and 2020 were clearly the best seasons by the results (though 2020 certainly has an asterisk since it was the short year and Chili wasn't even there).
2018 - 9th in NL RC, 14 in NL BA
2019 - 2nd in NL RC, t-5th in NL BA
2020 - 1st in NL RC, 1st in NL BA
2021 - 8th in NL RC, 10th in NL BA
Chili was also clearly at least a little confrontational and hostile to any changes from the new regime, which is probably why he's been fired so frequently and never made it more than 3 seasons as a hitting coach anywhere. Moving on from him may have been justified but credit where it's due.
Net-net if Chavez has a similar approach but also more open minded with better people skills, then that sounds like a logical hire.
No issues with Chili his first three years. Last year, there were way too many players who had horrid years: McNeil, Conforto, Dom. Don't know if it was Chili, or who if anyone was to blame. But I would look beyond the numbers for last year.
imagine a combo of McHugh/Tepera would cost much more than the 16 million Kimbrel is owed and Ginn/Lee? Hard pass. Let's not forget Kimbrel looked shot in 2019 and stunk with the White Sox, he's about to be 34. Salary dump? Sure.
imagine a combo of McHugh/Tepera would cost much more than the 16 million Kimbrel is owed and Ginn/Lee? Hard pass. Let's not forget Kimbrel looked shot in 2019 and stunk with the White Sox, he's about to be 34. Salary dump? Sure.
I'm not saying I would do it, but I don't see that as a horrid proposal. You'd be getting Kimbrel for the entire year. Lee was terrible hitting in the majors. Will he ever be anything? And Ginn is what, a 4 or 5 at best?
Again, not saying I would do it, but I would think that's what the cost would be, and I wouldn't see it as a terrible trade.
imagine a combo of McHugh/Tepera would cost much more than the 16 million Kimbrel is owed and Ginn/Lee? Hard pass. Let's not forget Kimbrel looked shot in 2019 and stunk with the White Sox, he's about to be 34. Salary dump? Sure.
I'm not saying I would do it, but I don't see that as a horrid proposal. You'd be getting Kimbrel for the entire year. Lee was terrible hitting in the majors. Will he ever be anything? And Ginn is what, a 4 or 5 at best?
Again, not saying I would do it, but I would think that's what the cost would be, and I wouldn't see it as a terrible trade.
Why is Ginn a "4 or 5 at best"? MLB.com
"Ginn shows three promising pitches when he is the mound. The fastball sits 91-95 mph and comes with a good amount of sink and life, pushing the grade up a touch. He can also touch as high as 97 with the offering when he rears back. The mid-80s slider draws promising reviews for its ability to move over two planes and is a weapon in its own right. The changeup was developing and showed promising signs with some sink of its own. Ginn still features some violence in his delivery, but is much improved in that department since his high school days. His control wasn’t an issue prior to the surgery after he walked only 5.7 percent of the batters he faced at Mississippi State.
Results have been as hoped for Ginn coming into 2021. He was touching 95 mph again on the radar gun and still throwing plenty of strikes in early looks at Low-A and High-A. He's continuing to get stretched out in Brooklyn, but he appears to be right back on the track that made him such a big name in the 2020 Draft in the first place."
"Doug
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Post TJS, Ginn has so far lived 91-94 with his sinker, but started to reach for more 5's and 6's in his last two starts of the summer. A good harbinger for a full velo rebound to his 93-96 t.97 amateur velo band.
Yes, Ginn gets grounders with the sink and run he gets on his...
Doug
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...so far that's a winning bet.
Next, the slider is plus at the next level and Ginn commands it well glove-side with plenty of depth.
Finally, the word is the changeup is coming along, giving Ginn the mix and command to be on track for a big league starter.
The pick is...
Doug
@FTLO_Baseball
...looking good to me now and if '22 brings mid 90s heat and success at double-A, we're going to see Ginn's name blow up on national rankings.
Duquette with a horrid trade proposal. Ginn and Lee for Kimbrel.
Horrid for the Mets?
Yes. Horrid for the Mets. 2 top prospects in the system and taking on 16 million in salary for a 34 year old who was awful with the White Sox? Pass.
Counterpoint: Ginn and especially Lee are only "top" prospects for the Mets because they don't have any depth in the system. Kimbrel was awful for the White Sox, yes. But overall last season, he still gave up only about a hit every two innings. He would be returning to the NL, where he had an 0.49 ERA with the Cubs last year in 36 games, with 13 hits given up in 36.2 innings, with 64 Ks.
I don't see Lee or Ginn as part of the Mets future. I don't see where they have much more trade value than a Kimbrel.
imagine a combo of McHugh/Tepera would cost much more than the 16 million Kimbrel is owed and Ginn/Lee? Hard pass. Let's not forget Kimbrel looked shot in 2019 and stunk with the White Sox, he's about to be 34. Salary dump? Sure.
I'm not saying I would do it, but I don't see that as a horrid proposal. You'd be getting Kimbrel for the entire year. Lee was terrible hitting in the majors. Will he ever be anything? And Ginn is what, a 4 or 5 at best?
Again, not saying I would do it, but I would think that's what the cost would be, and I wouldn't see it as a terrible trade.
Why is Ginn a "4 or 5 at best"? MLB.com
"Ginn shows three promising pitches when he is the mound. The fastball sits 91-95 mph and comes with a good amount of sink and life, pushing the grade up a touch. He can also touch as high as 97 with the offering when he rears back. The mid-80s slider draws promising reviews for its ability to move over two planes and is a weapon in its own right. The changeup was developing and showed promising signs with some sink of its own. Ginn still features some violence in his delivery, but is much improved in that department since his high school days. His control wasn’t an issue prior to the surgery after he walked only 5.7 percent of the batters he faced at Mississippi State.
Results have been as hoped for Ginn coming into 2021. He was touching 95 mph again on the radar gun and still throwing plenty of strikes in early looks at Low-A and High-A. He's continuing to get stretched out in Brooklyn, but he appears to be right back on the track that made him such a big name in the 2020 Draft in the first place."
Maybe a 3. Do you see him as a top of the rotation starter?
not even a huge Khalil Lee guy but to judge anything regarding his ability to hit on... 18 AB's... yes, Khalil Lee had 18 ab's in the majors in 2021 (4 starts). He posted a .951 OPS in AAA. You don't give away a good SP prospect and a potential 4th OF for a 34 year old RP owed 16 million. Kimbrel 4.56 FIP with the White Sox, 3.97 in 2020 (and hurt) and 8.00... yes 8.00 in 2019. Completely dominant 36 innings with the Cubs before the trade, otherwise red flags galore.
Duquette with a horrid trade proposal. Ginn and Lee for Kimbrel.
Horrid for the Mets?
Yes. Horrid for the Mets. 2 top prospects in the system and taking on 16 million in salary for a 34 year old who was awful with the White Sox? Pass.
Counterpoint: Ginn and especially Lee are only "top" prospects for the Mets because they don't have any depth in the system. Kimbrel was awful for the White Sox, yes. But overall last season, he still gave up only about a hit every two innings. He would be returning to the NL, where he had an 0.49 ERA with the Cubs last year in 36 games, with 13 hits given up in 36.2 innings, with 64 Ks.
I don't see Lee or Ginn as part of the Mets future. I don't see where they have much more trade value than a Kimbrel.
not even a huge Khalil Lee guy but to judge anything regarding his ability to hit on... 18 AB's... yes, Khalil Lee had 18 ab's in the majors in 2021 (4 starts). He posted a .951 OPS in AAA. You don't give away a good SP prospect and a potential 4th OF for a 34 year old RP owed 16 million. Kimbrel 4.56 FIP with the White Sox, 3.97 in 2020 (and hurt) and 8.00... yes 8.00 in 2019. Completely dominant 36 innings with the Cubs before the trade, otherwise red flags galore.
I like Lee. Probably more than you. And I like Ginn. But I don't think that's a horrid trade proposal. I think it would take a similar package. The difference is with the Mets it's their 5th and 8th ranked prospects.
With teams with a strong farm system, they would be their 10th and 25th ranked players.
Again, I'm not saying I would do the trade. I'd rather they throw money at relievers like you said. I just think that value-wise, that's not as bad a trade as you are making it out to be. I think it would take a similar package to get Kimbrel.
do not see Ginn as a likely #1 or #2 no. But he doesn't have to be to provide major value (including to the 2022 Mets). For a debut season coming off of TJ he was impressive. 64% ground ball% in A+
not even a huge Khalil Lee guy but to judge anything regarding his ability to hit on... 18 AB's... yes, Khalil Lee had 18 ab's in the majors in 2021 (4 starts). He posted a .951 OPS in AAA. You don't give away a good SP prospect and a potential 4th OF for a 34 year old RP owed 16 million. Kimbrel 4.56 FIP with the White Sox, 3.97 in 2020 (and hurt) and 8.00... yes 8.00 in 2019. Completely dominant 36 innings with the Cubs before the trade, otherwise red flags galore.
I like Lee. Probably more than you. And I like Ginn. But I don't think that's a horrid trade proposal. I think it would take a similar package. The difference is with the Mets it's their 5th and 8th ranked prospects.
With teams with a strong farm system, they would be their 10th and 25th ranked players.
Again, I'm not saying I would do the trade. I'd rather they throw money at relievers like you said. I just think that value-wise, that's not as bad a trade as you are making it out to be. I think it would take a similar package to get Kimbrel.
Very few teams have a JT Ginn as a #10 prospect. He was a lock 1st round pick and then had TJ. How many teams have a guy like that as their #10 prospect coming off a solid first year back? And how many teams are taking on a 16 million dollar RP? The Angels traded NOTHING for Iglesias last season. Off-season RP's offer very little trade value.
Nick Plummer, who the Mets picked up after being dumped by the Cardinals is the Mets 9th ranked prospect. While I do think he is an intriguing player, that just indicates how shallow the system is.
how much higher are you on Khalil lee when you're saying he's a "#25 prospect" in a system? lol. I said he has 4th OF upside. how many systems have 25 such upside players WITh a track record of success? Lee might have his flaws but his wRC+ by season... 149, 125, 136, 92, 112, 162. ONCE in his career has he posted a walk % below 10% (9.3)
Nick Plummer, who the Mets picked up after being dumped by the Cardinals is the Mets 9th ranked prospect. While I do think he is an intriguing player, that just indicates how shallow the system is.
Nick Plummer looked like a complete bust in 2019 posting an 88 wRC+ as an overage (22) player in A+ with a 33% k rate. For comparisons sake (Lee who obviously strikes out a ton) was 20 in A+ and posted a 136 wRC+ and a 24% k rate. I don't know that Lee will be better than Plummer but Plummer looked like an NP after his 2019 season.
RE: RE: I actually thought Chili had a mostly positive impact
No issues with Chili his first three years. Last year, there were way too many players who had horrid years: McNeil, Conforto, Dom. Don't know if it was Chili, or who if anyone was to blame. But I would look beyond the numbers for last year.
Chilli started in '19 so he was hitting coach for the equivalent of 1 full season in person and a 1/3 of a season remote prior to 2021 when he got fired on May 4th.
His 19 + 20 though did have some notable hitting achievements:
- Dom broke out from prior struggles as a below avg hitter
- Copnforto/McNeil/Nimmo each had 2 strong years
- Rosario had his best year in 2019 raising his BA to .282
- JDD broke out and had an especially big year in 2019 (and he was a guy who needed adjustments when he was acquired)
He also was fortunate to start at the same time Alonso debuted, not sure anyone deserves any credit for how well he performed right away - he's just a monster.
But most who remained of the above regressed last year amidst the conflict of philosophy that led to Chili getting fired 1 month in - specifically Dom, McNeil, Conforto.
I don't absolve Chili of any blame in that but I do think if this were a binary choice between the philosophies deployed in 19/20 under chili and whatever the opposing philosophy was in 21 I'd choose the former.
not even a huge Khalil Lee guy but to judge anything regarding his ability to hit on... 18 AB's... yes, Khalil Lee had 18 ab's in the majors in 2021 (4 starts). He posted a .951 OPS in AAA. You don't give away a good SP prospect and a potential 4th OF for a 34 year old RP owed 16 million. Kimbrel 4.56 FIP with the White Sox, 3.97 in 2020 (and hurt) and 8.00... yes 8.00 in 2019. Completely dominant 36 innings with the Cubs before the trade, otherwise red flags galore.
I like Lee. Probably more than you. And I like Ginn. But I don't think that's a horrid trade proposal. I think it would take a similar package. The difference is with the Mets it's their 5th and 8th ranked prospects.
With teams with a strong farm system, they would be their 10th and 25th ranked players.
Again, I'm not saying I would do the trade. I'd rather they throw money at relievers like you said. I just think that value-wise, that's not as bad a trade as you are making it out to be. I think it would take a similar package to get Kimbrel.
Very few teams have a JT Ginn as a #10 prospect. He was a lock 1st round pick and then had TJ. How many teams have a guy like that as their #10 prospect coming off a solid first year back? And how many teams are taking on a 16 million dollar RP? The Angels traded NOTHING for Iglesias last season. Off-season RP's offer very little trade value.
Just going on MLB.com's prospect rankings, Dodgers and Rays 9th ranked players are both 50 prospects. Depending on whether they like Ginn better than those, he could be 10.
Obviously the Rays wouldn't take on the money.
I was estimating when I said 10. But looking at the lists, it would likely be more around 8 for a lot of teams with good depth. I just don't think it's too outlandish of a deal.
Fangraphs had Plummer outside the Cardinals to 40 prospects with the note
"Nick Plummer, OF
We liked Plummer in high school but multiple hand surgeries have derailed the early stages of a career that was already likely to start slowly due to his background (he was a Michigan high schooler who only saw good pitching during the summer). Pro scouts don’t consider him a prospect, but we’re keeping an eye on him because of his pedigree."
Maybe he figured something out in 2021 but it's very, very uncommon for legit prospects to be allowed to hit FA (which happened with the Cardinals). He'll be 26 years old in July, 2 full years older than Lee
Rays system was described as "historically deep" as of a few months ago. We all know the Mets system is nowhere, nowhere near that. FG's gave Lee a 45 grade, for comparisons sake they also gave Pete Crow-Armstrong a 45
Fangraphs had Plummer outside the Cardinals to 40 prospects with the note
"Nick Plummer, OF
We liked Plummer in high school but multiple hand surgeries have derailed the early stages of a career that was already likely to start slowly due to his background (he was a Michigan high schooler who only saw good pitching during the summer). Pro scouts don’t consider him a prospect, but we’re keeping an eye on him because of his pedigree."
Maybe he figured something out in 2021 but it's very, very uncommon for legit prospects to be allowed to hit FA (which happened with the Cardinals). He'll be 26 years old in July, 2 full years older than Lee
I know he was dumped by the Cards. He's now the Mets 9th prospect. That was my point.
Fangraphs had Plummer outside the Cardinals to 40 prospects with the note
"Nick Plummer, OF
We liked Plummer in high school but multiple hand surgeries have derailed the early stages of a career that was already likely to start slowly due to his background (he was a Michigan high schooler who only saw good pitching during the summer). Pro scouts don’t consider him a prospect, but we’re keeping an eye on him because of his pedigree."
Maybe he figured something out in 2021 but it's very, very uncommon for legit prospects to be allowed to hit FA (which happened with the Cardinals). He'll be 26 years old in July, 2 full years older than Lee
I know he was dumped by the Cards. He's now the Mets 9th prospect. That was my point.
Plummer really has nothing to do with Lee. Lee may turn out a total bust and a NP but he's had 18 MLB AB's and mashed in AAA (even with the noted inflated BABIP and high K%). Teams do not give up 2 "top 10" prospects in their system including a guy that went first round, got hurt and still went second round with a high bonus, had a strong/solid debut season for a 34 year old RP making big money coming off a poor second half and poor recent history (2019, 2020 with a very strong first half 2021). It would be beyond unusual. Again, Iglesias was moved to LAA for nothing.
GB% was eye-opening level good. 57.7 in a-ball, 64.1 in A+. Guess how many big leaguers had better gb% in 2021? That would be 0. Luis Castillo led the league 56.6 Link - ( New Window )
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One big reason the Mets haven't officially announced any of the coaching additions yet: "Very thorough" background checks for everybody.
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Odds that the season starts on time?
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I'm actually 70/30 in favor
And I'll tell you why
It's a mess right now, but on a fundamental level, they're not so far apart on things.
12:23
So I think it's longer than ideal to get serious
but then when talks become actually serious, it starts quickly
well, goes quickly
Deesha
@DeeshaThosar
To clear the air: Mets were considering Eric Chavez to become their bench coach before deciding he's a better fit as hitting coach, per sources. The team now intends to name a younger, analytics-driven individual as its bench coach.
he has always profusely denied any steroid usage.
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Mets current reported coaching staff looks like this:
manager - Buck Showalter
1st base coach - Wayne Kirby
3rd base coach - Joey Cora
hitting coach - Eric Chavez
pitching coaching - Jeremy Hefner
Tim Britton
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Former Mets executive Zack Scott has been found not guilty of driving while intoxicated and not guilty of the lesser charge of driving while ability impaired in White Plains city court this morning.
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Former Mets executive Zack Scott has been found not guilty of driving while intoxicated and not guilty of the lesser charge of driving while ability impaired in White Plains city court this morning.
This was the expected verdict. Below is an article from a few weeks ago, noting that this was expected:
"During the trial, Bendish argued that Scott didn't fail the standard field sobriety tests. And as seen on the bodycam footage shown during the trial, it did not indicate a person was intoxicated, as White Plains City Court judge Eric Press said. Press went onto note that Scott was basically parked in a lane of traffic when approached by the authorities."
"The prosecution's entire case was built off the bodycam footage as well as the testimony of two witnesses, the arresting officer Frank Confalone and sergeant John Guastella, both whom work for the White Plains Police Department."
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in MA you either take a breathalyzer which if you pass you get let go, you fail you go to jail, or you refuse the breathalyzer in which case you are considered guilty and lose your license for a year. Not guilty of DUI per se, but of refusing to take a breathalyzer (and based on the field tests you may get a DUI still)
in MA you either take a breathalyzer which if you pass you get let go, you fail you go to jail, or you refuse the breathalyzer in which case you are considered guilty and lose your license for a year. Not guilty of DUI per se, but of refusing to take a breathalyzer (and based on the field tests you may get a DUI still)
Per the article: "Scott refused to take a chemical test to determine his blood-alcohol concentration, something Press described as a "major thing," with a negative tone behind it."
From a google search, I believe NY's law is different. Assuming by chemical test, they mean breathalyzer, a refusal to submit to a breathalyer results in a fine and a suspension of your license for a year. You can still separately be charged with DUI.
Per a criminal defense attorney's website, there are certain factors that must be met. I don't think the last two would apply here. But perhaps the arresting officer did not follow the first. Or Scott already lost his license as it was met. I don't know enough about those aspects, but it does appear that NY does not have the presumption of guilt based on a refusal of breathalyzer that some states do.
-By law, the arresting officer must make it clear that your license will be revoked if you refuse the test. In fact, police are required to (a) read this from a script and (b) state it twice. If this protocol was not followed, it may be possible to have your driving privileges restored, or even to get the charges dismissed.
-Police must measure your BAC within two hours of your arrest. During that period, you must be allowed to contact a lawyer, but only if you request it. If more than two hours passed or if you were prevented from getting legal advice, the refusal charge may not stand.
-Did the officer have probable cause to pull you over in the first place? If not, the drunk driving and Breathalyzer refusal charges may go away completely.
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Don't know how good or bad of a choice he is, but he's long been regarded as a very smart baseball guy. Could go either way with a high profile ex-player. I assume they bring in an assistant HC as well.
Chavez seems like a perfectly acceptable hire. Assume there will be others on the staff with some of the other qualities necessary to prepare hitters but Chavez is i'm sure respected/liked by players and has had a nice diversity of experiences since retiring as a player. hitting is such an individual thing the first rules of hitting coaches should probably just be do no harm and be a good cheerleader. I'd expect Chavez should have a clear understanding of that perspective as well as the get on base mentality.
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Chavez will help them!!
Don't know how good or bad of a choice he is, but he's long been regarded as a very smart baseball guy. Could go either way with a high profile ex-player. I assume they bring in an assistant HC as well.
Agreed it could go either way. Though I did like Chavez' approach to hitting as a player. He had good pop, but didn't have a crazy amount of strikeouts, and could work the count. Though the same could be said of Chili Davis...
2018 - 9th in NL RC, 14 in NL BA
2019 - 2nd in NL RC, t-5th in NL BA
2020 - 1st in NL RC, 1st in NL BA
2021 - 8th in NL RC, 10th in NL BA
Chili was also clearly at least a little confrontational and hostile to any changes from the new regime, which is probably why he's been fired so frequently and never made it more than 3 seasons as a hitting coach anywhere. Moving on from him may have been justified but credit where it's due.
Net-net if Chavez has a similar approach but also more open minded with better people skills, then that sounds like a logical hire.
should look into him as SP depth
there's enough out there in FA to build depth necessary for the regular season.
2018 - 9th in NL RC, 14 in NL BA
2019 - 2nd in NL RC, t-5th in NL BA
2020 - 1st in NL RC, 1st in NL BA
2021 - 8th in NL RC, 10th in NL BA
Chili was also clearly at least a little confrontational and hostile to any changes from the new regime, which is probably why he's been fired so frequently and never made it more than 3 seasons as a hitting coach anywhere. Moving on from him may have been justified but credit where it's due.
Net-net if Chavez has a similar approach but also more open minded with better people skills, then that sounds like a logical hire.
No issues with Chili his first three years. Last year, there were way too many players who had horrid years: McNeil, Conforto, Dom. Don't know if it was Chili, or who if anyone was to blame. But I would look beyond the numbers for last year.
Horrid for the Mets?
I'm not saying I would do it, but I don't see that as a horrid proposal. You'd be getting Kimbrel for the entire year. Lee was terrible hitting in the majors. Will he ever be anything? And Ginn is what, a 4 or 5 at best?
Again, not saying I would do it, but I would think that's what the cost would be, and I wouldn't see it as a terrible trade.
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Duquette with a horrid trade proposal. Ginn and Lee for Kimbrel.
Horrid for the Mets?
Yes. Horrid for the Mets. 2 top prospects in the system and taking on 16 million in salary for a 34 year old who was awful with the White Sox? Pass.
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imagine a combo of McHugh/Tepera would cost much more than the 16 million Kimbrel is owed and Ginn/Lee? Hard pass. Let's not forget Kimbrel looked shot in 2019 and stunk with the White Sox, he's about to be 34. Salary dump? Sure.
I'm not saying I would do it, but I don't see that as a horrid proposal. You'd be getting Kimbrel for the entire year. Lee was terrible hitting in the majors. Will he ever be anything? And Ginn is what, a 4 or 5 at best?
Again, not saying I would do it, but I would think that's what the cost would be, and I wouldn't see it as a terrible trade.
Why is Ginn a "4 or 5 at best"? MLB.com
"Ginn shows three promising pitches when he is the mound. The fastball sits 91-95 mph and comes with a good amount of sink and life, pushing the grade up a touch. He can also touch as high as 97 with the offering when he rears back. The mid-80s slider draws promising reviews for its ability to move over two planes and is a weapon in its own right. The changeup was developing and showed promising signs with some sink of its own. Ginn still features some violence in his delivery, but is much improved in that department since his high school days. His control wasn’t an issue prior to the surgery after he walked only 5.7 percent of the batters he faced at Mississippi State.
Results have been as hoped for Ginn coming into 2021. He was touching 95 mph again on the radar gun and still throwing plenty of strikes in early looks at Low-A and High-A. He's continuing to get stretched out in Brooklyn, but he appears to be right back on the track that made him such a big name in the 2020 Draft in the first place."
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Post TJS, Ginn has so far lived 91-94 with his sinker, but started to reach for more 5's and 6's in his last two starts of the summer. A good harbinger for a full velo rebound to his 93-96 t.97 amateur velo band.
Yes, Ginn gets grounders with the sink and run he gets on his...
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...so far that's a winning bet.
Next, the slider is plus at the next level and Ginn commands it well glove-side with plenty of depth.
Finally, the word is the changeup is coming along, giving Ginn the mix and command to be on track for a big league starter.
The pick is...
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...looking good to me now and if '22 brings mid 90s heat and success at double-A, we're going to see Ginn's name blow up on national rankings.
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Duquette with a horrid trade proposal. Ginn and Lee for Kimbrel.
Horrid for the Mets?
Yes. Horrid for the Mets. 2 top prospects in the system and taking on 16 million in salary for a 34 year old who was awful with the White Sox? Pass.
Counterpoint: Ginn and especially Lee are only "top" prospects for the Mets because they don't have any depth in the system. Kimbrel was awful for the White Sox, yes. But overall last season, he still gave up only about a hit every two innings. He would be returning to the NL, where he had an 0.49 ERA with the Cubs last year in 36 games, with 13 hits given up in 36.2 innings, with 64 Ks.
I don't see Lee or Ginn as part of the Mets future. I don't see where they have much more trade value than a Kimbrel.
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In comment 15532468 DanMetroMan said:
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imagine a combo of McHugh/Tepera would cost much more than the 16 million Kimbrel is owed and Ginn/Lee? Hard pass. Let's not forget Kimbrel looked shot in 2019 and stunk with the White Sox, he's about to be 34. Salary dump? Sure.
I'm not saying I would do it, but I don't see that as a horrid proposal. You'd be getting Kimbrel for the entire year. Lee was terrible hitting in the majors. Will he ever be anything? And Ginn is what, a 4 or 5 at best?
Again, not saying I would do it, but I would think that's what the cost would be, and I wouldn't see it as a terrible trade.
Why is Ginn a "4 or 5 at best"? MLB.com
"Ginn shows three promising pitches when he is the mound. The fastball sits 91-95 mph and comes with a good amount of sink and life, pushing the grade up a touch. He can also touch as high as 97 with the offering when he rears back. The mid-80s slider draws promising reviews for its ability to move over two planes and is a weapon in its own right. The changeup was developing and showed promising signs with some sink of its own. Ginn still features some violence in his delivery, but is much improved in that department since his high school days. His control wasn’t an issue prior to the surgery after he walked only 5.7 percent of the batters he faced at Mississippi State.
Results have been as hoped for Ginn coming into 2021. He was touching 95 mph again on the radar gun and still throwing plenty of strikes in early looks at Low-A and High-A. He's continuing to get stretched out in Brooklyn, but he appears to be right back on the track that made him such a big name in the 2020 Draft in the first place."
Maybe a 3. Do you see him as a top of the rotation starter?
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In comment 15532445 DanMetroMan said:
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Duquette with a horrid trade proposal. Ginn and Lee for Kimbrel.
Horrid for the Mets?
Yes. Horrid for the Mets. 2 top prospects in the system and taking on 16 million in salary for a 34 year old who was awful with the White Sox? Pass.
Counterpoint: Ginn and especially Lee are only "top" prospects for the Mets because they don't have any depth in the system. Kimbrel was awful for the White Sox, yes. But overall last season, he still gave up only about a hit every two innings. He would be returning to the NL, where he had an 0.49 ERA with the Cubs last year in 36 games, with 13 hits given up in 36.2 innings, with 64 Ks.
I don't see Lee or Ginn as part of the Mets future. I don't see where they have much more trade value than a Kimbrel.
Should say "big part of the Mets future"
I like Lee. Probably more than you. And I like Ginn. But I don't think that's a horrid trade proposal. I think it would take a similar package. The difference is with the Mets it's their 5th and 8th ranked prospects.
With teams with a strong farm system, they would be their 10th and 25th ranked players.
Again, I'm not saying I would do the trade. I'd rather they throw money at relievers like you said. I just think that value-wise, that's not as bad a trade as you are making it out to be. I think it would take a similar package to get Kimbrel.
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not even a huge Khalil Lee guy but to judge anything regarding his ability to hit on... 18 AB's... yes, Khalil Lee had 18 ab's in the majors in 2021 (4 starts). He posted a .951 OPS in AAA. You don't give away a good SP prospect and a potential 4th OF for a 34 year old RP owed 16 million. Kimbrel 4.56 FIP with the White Sox, 3.97 in 2020 (and hurt) and 8.00... yes 8.00 in 2019. Completely dominant 36 innings with the Cubs before the trade, otherwise red flags galore.
I like Lee. Probably more than you. And I like Ginn. But I don't think that's a horrid trade proposal. I think it would take a similar package. The difference is with the Mets it's their 5th and 8th ranked prospects.
With teams with a strong farm system, they would be their 10th and 25th ranked players.
Again, I'm not saying I would do the trade. I'd rather they throw money at relievers like you said. I just think that value-wise, that's not as bad a trade as you are making it out to be. I think it would take a similar package to get Kimbrel.
Very few teams have a JT Ginn as a #10 prospect. He was a lock 1st round pick and then had TJ. How many teams have a guy like that as their #10 prospect coming off a solid first year back? And how many teams are taking on a 16 million dollar RP? The Angels traded NOTHING for Iglesias last season. Off-season RP's offer very little trade value.
Nick Plummer looked like a complete bust in 2019 posting an 88 wRC+ as an overage (22) player in A+ with a 33% k rate. For comparisons sake (Lee who obviously strikes out a ton) was 20 in A+ and posted a 136 wRC+ and a 24% k rate. I don't know that Lee will be better than Plummer but Plummer looked like an NP after his 2019 season.
No issues with Chili his first three years. Last year, there were way too many players who had horrid years: McNeil, Conforto, Dom. Don't know if it was Chili, or who if anyone was to blame. But I would look beyond the numbers for last year.
Chilli started in '19 so he was hitting coach for the equivalent of 1 full season in person and a 1/3 of a season remote prior to 2021 when he got fired on May 4th.
His 19 + 20 though did have some notable hitting achievements:
- Dom broke out from prior struggles as a below avg hitter
- Copnforto/McNeil/Nimmo each had 2 strong years
- Rosario had his best year in 2019 raising his BA to .282
- JDD broke out and had an especially big year in 2019 (and he was a guy who needed adjustments when he was acquired)
He also was fortunate to start at the same time Alonso debuted, not sure anyone deserves any credit for how well he performed right away - he's just a monster.
But most who remained of the above regressed last year amidst the conflict of philosophy that led to Chili getting fired 1 month in - specifically Dom, McNeil, Conforto.
I don't absolve Chili of any blame in that but I do think if this were a binary choice between the philosophies deployed in 19/20 under chili and whatever the opposing philosophy was in 21 I'd choose the former.
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not even a huge Khalil Lee guy but to judge anything regarding his ability to hit on... 18 AB's... yes, Khalil Lee had 18 ab's in the majors in 2021 (4 starts). He posted a .951 OPS in AAA. You don't give away a good SP prospect and a potential 4th OF for a 34 year old RP owed 16 million. Kimbrel 4.56 FIP with the White Sox, 3.97 in 2020 (and hurt) and 8.00... yes 8.00 in 2019. Completely dominant 36 innings with the Cubs before the trade, otherwise red flags galore.
I like Lee. Probably more than you. And I like Ginn. But I don't think that's a horrid trade proposal. I think it would take a similar package. The difference is with the Mets it's their 5th and 8th ranked prospects.
With teams with a strong farm system, they would be their 10th and 25th ranked players.
Again, I'm not saying I would do the trade. I'd rather they throw money at relievers like you said. I just think that value-wise, that's not as bad a trade as you are making it out to be. I think it would take a similar package to get Kimbrel.
Very few teams have a JT Ginn as a #10 prospect. He was a lock 1st round pick and then had TJ. How many teams have a guy like that as their #10 prospect coming off a solid first year back? And how many teams are taking on a 16 million dollar RP? The Angels traded NOTHING for Iglesias last season. Off-season RP's offer very little trade value.
Just going on MLB.com's prospect rankings, Dodgers and Rays 9th ranked players are both 50 prospects. Depending on whether they like Ginn better than those, he could be 10.
Obviously the Rays wouldn't take on the money.
I was estimating when I said 10. But looking at the lists, it would likely be more around 8 for a lot of teams with good depth. I just don't think it's too outlandish of a deal.
"Nick Plummer, OF
We liked Plummer in high school but multiple hand surgeries have derailed the early stages of a career that was already likely to start slowly due to his background (he was a Michigan high schooler who only saw good pitching during the summer). Pro scouts don’t consider him a prospect, but we’re keeping an eye on him because of his pedigree."
Maybe he figured something out in 2021 but it's very, very uncommon for legit prospects to be allowed to hit FA (which happened with the Cardinals). He'll be 26 years old in July, 2 full years older than Lee
"Nick Plummer, OF
We liked Plummer in high school but multiple hand surgeries have derailed the early stages of a career that was already likely to start slowly due to his background (he was a Michigan high schooler who only saw good pitching during the summer). Pro scouts don’t consider him a prospect, but we’re keeping an eye on him because of his pedigree."
Maybe he figured something out in 2021 but it's very, very uncommon for legit prospects to be allowed to hit FA (which happened with the Cardinals). He'll be 26 years old in July, 2 full years older than Lee
I know he was dumped by the Cards. He's now the Mets 9th prospect. That was my point.
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Fangraphs had Plummer outside the Cardinals to 40 prospects with the note
"Nick Plummer, OF
We liked Plummer in high school but multiple hand surgeries have derailed the early stages of a career that was already likely to start slowly due to his background (he was a Michigan high schooler who only saw good pitching during the summer). Pro scouts don’t consider him a prospect, but we’re keeping an eye on him because of his pedigree."
Maybe he figured something out in 2021 but it's very, very uncommon for legit prospects to be allowed to hit FA (which happened with the Cardinals). He'll be 26 years old in July, 2 full years older than Lee
I know he was dumped by the Cards. He's now the Mets 9th prospect. That was my point.
Plummer really has nothing to do with Lee. Lee may turn out a total bust and a NP but he's had 18 MLB AB's and mashed in AAA (even with the noted inflated BABIP and high K%). Teams do not give up 2 "top 10" prospects in their system including a guy that went first round, got hurt and still went second round with a high bonus, had a strong/solid debut season for a 34 year old RP making big money coming off a poor second half and poor recent history (2019, 2020 with a very strong first half 2021). It would be beyond unusual. Again, Iglesias was moved to LAA for nothing.
Steamer likes him better but still nothing special. 3.68 FIP, that would be good for 60th in baseball vs. 2021 numbers.
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One big reason the Mets haven't officially announced any of the coaching additions yet: "Very thorough" background checks for everybody.
Odds that the season starts on time?
AvatarDan Szymborski
12:22
I'm actually 70/30 in favor
And I'll tell you why
It's a mess right now, but on a fundamental level, they're not so far apart on things.
12:23
So I think it's longer than ideal to get serious
but then when talks become actually serious, it starts quickly
well, goes quickly
@DeeshaThosar
To clear the air: Mets were considering Eric Chavez to become their bench coach before deciding he's a better fit as hitting coach, per sources. The team now intends to name a younger, analytics-driven individual as its bench coach.