like the Canha signing a lot. I just don't see him playing as much as the projection does. Steamer projects 1.9 fWAR over 580 PA's and basically a slight decline from his 2021 slash line. I do expect him to play a good amount but 580 PA's seems high for a 33 year old good/not great player with some durability issues on a team with some solid depth.
Apologies if this was posted earlier in the thread but looks like
the Nationals are getting Soto’s brother. I had thought the Mets were in good position with him, so this is a bit of a disappointment.
Yup.
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Sources confirm: Elian Soto will be a National. It will not be until Jan of 2023. (If there's not a draft.) Heard big brother Juan was a factor.
First: @ByronKerr
RE: Apologies if this was posted earlier in the thread but looks like
FWIW @mets signing bonus for Elian Soto was only $50,000 (as is the Nats). Nothing against the kid but that gives you an idea of the caliber of prospect he's viewed as.
per @Ken_Rosenthal @mets have also rejected requests from other teams to interview employees. Somewhat surprisingly if only because @mets only had 1 coach under contract so presumably it was FO personnel (Tramuta, Tanous, Levin, Bryn Showalter?)
article says the Nats signing bonus for Elian Soto is more than 50k FWIW.
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...The Nationals offer, sources say, will be larger than $50,000 but still well below the $1.5 million the organization gave to Juan in 2016, which was a record amount for the organization at the time for a teenaged international free agent....
per @Ken_Rosenthal @mets have also rejected requests from other teams to interview employees. Somewhat surprisingly if only because @mets only had 1 coach under contract so presumably it was FO personnel (Tramuta, Tanous, Levin, Bryn Showalter?)
article says the Nats signing bonus for Elian Soto is more than 50k FWIW.
Quote:
...The Nationals offer, sources say, will be larger than $50,000 but still well below the $1.5 million the organization gave to Juan in 2016, which was a record amount for the organization at the time for a teenaged international free agent....
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I was told "not much more than the Mets paid". He's going to the Nats because of his brother. He didn't get much money to sign because he's not viewed as a big prospect.
put it this way, his agent is Scott Boras and Scott Boras had him close to an agreement on a 50K dollar deal, I think we can all agree Scott Boras knows the value of his clients (or overestimates it). The Nats probably raised their offer a bit just to make his brother happy. Before the Mets rumors I had never even heard his name. He's no Rodrick Arias or Mayea. In fact, fangraphs has a couple of 15 year olds on their international list, Soto didn't make it. Prefer more lottery tickets than less but this isn't one I'm losing sleep over.
if he ends up being the next vlad jr that's going to suck
I know he's not thought of that way so I doubt that's the case, and fortunately just about any other scenario is not that big of a deal.
that's interesting that someone requested interviewing a met employee. I could definitely see someone requesting Hefner during that period before Buck got hired. The FO guys harder to imagine since all were recently promoted and have basically been mets for a long time. but not impossible for the draft guys since they've done so well.
re: bailey I have no idea whether he is a good coach or a bad coach but I do like that they were open to bringing another pitching coach background on board given Hefner's inexperience.
i also like that they are getting blocked so much because that means they are going for the right people.
article says the Nats signing bonus for Elian Soto is more than 50k FWIW.
Quote:
...The Nationals offer, sources say, will be larger than $50,000 but still well below the $1.5 million the organization gave to Juan in 2016, which was a record amount for the organization at the time for a teenaged international free agent....
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I was told "not much more than the Mets paid". He's going to the Nats because of his brother. He didn't get much money to sign because he's not viewed as a big prospect.
yeah, I was just sharing the slight correction from the Athletic article.
noting Vlad Jr. got 3.9 million to sign and was viewed as a phenom since he was 14. I know Vlad praised Elian Soto but the fact of the matter is, when it comes to bloodlines, teams take special interest in family members of established players and Soto was agreeing to 50,000 with the Mets? Not exactly a great sign for how he's viewed by the league. Yes, bonus only means so much but the Mets signed 16 players this past draft to bonuses more than 50K. Their 20th round pick got 75,000.
course the Mets came in second for Vlad Jr.... and Ichiro... as well as Dice-K. Would have been nice to be #1 on the first 2, less so on the last one lol
hope im wrong but i think we can kiss the Nimmo extension goodbye
now repped by Boras. My guess is the Mets are willing to do something similar to what they offered Conforto a year ago. Going to Boras is shrewd because he now has that insight but if I were the mets I wouldn't go beyond the number for nimmo. Just too injury prone. Mets' Brandon Nimmo Switches Agencies Ahead Of Potential Contract Negotiations - ( New Window )
I like Nimmo but he needs to stay on the field. If he has a big year, we can make him a qualifying offer and no one is going outbid us for him if we want to keep him and he wants to stay.
Have hired a bench coach but it’s not a “big name” and yet to be revealed who
presumably it's a younger analytically focused coach along the lines of Bailey/Pickler. i like the general open mindedness of the process they've run with the staff so im sure it will be someone well regarded (as those 2 were said to be).
RE: RE: hope im wrong but i think we can kiss the Nimmo extension goodbye
now repped by Boras. My guess is the Mets are willing to do something similar to what they offered Conforto a year ago. Going to Boras is shrewd because he now has that insight but if I were the mets I wouldn't go beyond the number for nimmo. Just too injury prone. Mets' Brandon Nimmo Switches Agencies Ahead Of Potential Contract Negotiations - ( New Window )
I like Nimmo but he needs to stay on the field. If he has a big year, we can make him a qualifying offer and no one is going outbid us for him if we want to keep him and he wants to stay.
agree. the only reason to extend was if it were a fair deal like Buxton signed. That's not why you switch to Boras ahead of a negotiation though.
know he's had success in college but I'm happy Andy Stankiewicz passed. He's 57 years old and hasn't had a job in the pros since 2012 (minor league field coordinator). If you want a younger analytics heavy guy, it's almost certainly not going to be somebody who has been away from the MLB game for a decade.
The New York Post’s Mike Puma reports the New York Mets are working on a deal with former manager Bobby Valentine.
Bobby Valentine remains on the Mets’ radar as a potential special assistant in the front office. The 71-year-old Valentine recently retired from Sacred Heart University, where he served as the athletic director for eight years. Valentine, who managed the Rangers, Mets and Red Sox, has been largely removed from MLB since 2012. Last year he lost in a bid to become mayor of his hometown, Stamford, Conn. It’s unclear, however, to what degree Valentine would want to be involved if he returns to baseball.
i'd imagine he's friends with Cohen as 2 of the more prominent connecticuters? im sure he's got a relationship with buck too, i know i saw some positive comments from him on that hire. guess it depends on what the role is but bobby v is sharp and a good salesman so maybe it makes sense.
Seems like this would be a cushy paycheck for Valentine
i'd imagine he's friends with Cohen as 2 of the more prominent connecticuters? im sure he's got a relationship with buck too, i know i saw some positive comments from him on that hire. guess it depends on what the role is but bobby v is sharp and a good salesman so maybe it makes sense.
Valentine says a lot of BS but he said he personally recommended Buck to Peter Angelos when he got the Orioles job, he also said he's worked with Buck on TV.
RE: Seems like this would be a cushy paycheck for Valentine
not sure he’d really have anything to add baseball wise at this point in his life.
Doubt the paycheck is all that significant. Both Al Leiter and John Franco are on the Mets payroll as advisors and at least in Leiter's case apparently had "nothing" to do with the 2021 team after ST broke.
invented the wrap. I know his incognito dugout appearance after being kicked out is how his Mets time is memorialized (along with 2000 WS) but the invention of the wrap is exactly the kind of innovation and outside the box creativity missing right now with the Mets.
Sandwiches have been around for what, centuries? Most people felt like we have seen what sandwiches have to offer.
Then comes the wrap (out of necessity due to a broken toaster if you believe the anecdote). Bravo, Bobby V. I support this hiring.
if bobby v wasn't a relatively important piece of modern met history i doubt he'd be up for what is likely a figure head position with the mets.
also not political but he just ran a campaign for political office meaning bobby v is well credentialed as a figure head, especially in the thing he knows best (baseball).
Per @EvanDrellich Thursday, @mlb owners will present their new "core economics proposal" to @MLBPA #Mets
guesses:
higher LTT close to player's ask ($230-$245m)
eliminate draft pick compensation/penalties tied to FA/LTT
14 team playoff / universal DH
no change to service time
spend some time on the SNY team. Keith and Rob need to take a lot of time off these days, and having Bobby in there for 40-50 or so takes a year would add to the broadcasts IMO.
had some time to kill and went down a rabbit hole.
MLB revenues have increased every year (source).
MLB player salaries in aggregate have not (source).
those are the "core economics" both sides are haggling over. The players feel entitled to more money because the owners are getting increased revenues and franchise valuations while the portion of the pie the players are receiving has bounced around.
from the second sourced article by Passan above:
Quote:
Player salaries dipped to $4.05 billion in 2021 -- a $200 million drop from the record high in 2017 and the lowest since 2015, when the league still hadn't crossed the $4 billion mark.
The MLBPA's business is getting the players compensated and like every business they presumably want YoY growth if business good. My guess is their main goal is to get above 4.25bn and on track for consistent growth. The question is where they find that $200m+?
the simplest tool is raising the LTT. Only 2 teams exceeded it last year and 5 teams went right up to it without exceeding. It stands to reason the 5 teams would each spend more if it were higher and may even be eager to do so. The MLBPA proposed raising it to $245m which is $35m per team so if all 5 of those teams increased their spending that's an extra $175m right there (though that's an aggressive raise so all 5 might not spend all of it). The owners previous proposal went up to $214m so they are $34m apart. There's a good bet that gap narrows in this next proposal. I'd guess the owners offer is around $220m and eventually via negotiations they meet in the middle raising it to $225m-230m with set yoy increases.
There will be other stuff discussed that benefits one side or the other (additional playoff revenue for owners, DH which adds more well paid jobs for players, higher league minimum/benefits for minor leaguers) but the core is going to be the LTT imo. As much as small market owners may bitch I think they'd rather let big market owners spend more than be subject to a payroll floor (which would be the better/fairer solution). And as much as the players bitch about service time those changes would only impact a small subset of overage players.
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Breaking: The Mets will retire Keith Hernandez's No. 17 in a ceremony this July 9. A long overdue honor for a beloved Met.
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The retirement of Keith Hernandez’s number 17 is one of the most joyous announcements in Mets franchise history. Long time coming, but just perfect in conjunction with the upcoming 60th anniversary season. Bravo to the soul of a championship team.
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“Keith Hernandez, “I’m thrilled…I was very emotional when Steve called to let me know about the number retirement. This is the highest honor an organization can bestow upon a player. I also want to thank Mets fans, who have treated me like family since I arrived in 1983.”
Yup.
Britt Ghiroli
@Britt_Ghiroli
Sources confirm: Elian Soto will be a National. It will not be until Jan of 2023. (If there's not a draft.) Heard big brother Juan was a factor.
First: @ByronKerr
Came on here to post that, as I just saw that. Sucks
I’m really dreading the expanded playoffs. 7 teams per league is going to be a mess. Hoping against hope the players can hold out at 6 per.
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* Bryn Alderson
Quote:
...The Nationals offer, sources say, will be larger than $50,000 but still well below the $1.5 million the organization gave to Juan in 2016, which was a record amount for the organization at the time for a teenaged international free agent....
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I was told "not much more than the Mets paid". He's going to the Nats because of his brother. He didn't get much money to sign because he's not viewed as a big prospect.
that's interesting that someone requested interviewing a met employee. I could definitely see someone requesting Hefner during that period before Buck got hired. The FO guys harder to imagine since all were recently promoted and have basically been mets for a long time. but not impossible for the draft guys since they've done so well.
re: bailey I have no idea whether he is a good coach or a bad coach but I do like that they were open to bringing another pitching coach background on board given Hefner's inexperience.
i also like that they are getting blocked so much because that means they are going for the right people.
Quote:
article says the Nats signing bonus for Elian Soto is more than 50k FWIW.
Quote:
...The Nationals offer, sources say, will be larger than $50,000 but still well below the $1.5 million the organization gave to Juan in 2016, which was a record amount for the organization at the time for a teenaged international free agent....
behind paywall - ( New Window )
I was told "not much more than the Mets paid". He's going to the Nats because of his brother. He didn't get much money to sign because he's not viewed as a big prospect.
yeah, I was just sharing the slight correction from the Athletic article.
Mets' Brandon Nimmo Switches Agencies Ahead Of Potential Contract Negotiations - ( New Window )
I like Nimmo but he needs to stay on the field. If he has a big year, we can make him a qualifying offer and no one is going outbid us for him if we want to keep him and he wants to stay.
presumably it's a younger analytically focused coach along the lines of Bailey/Pickler. i like the general open mindedness of the process they've run with the staff so im sure it will be someone well regarded (as those 2 were said to be).
Quote:
now repped by Boras. My guess is the Mets are willing to do something similar to what they offered Conforto a year ago. Going to Boras is shrewd because he now has that insight but if I were the mets I wouldn't go beyond the number for nimmo. Just too injury prone. Mets' Brandon Nimmo Switches Agencies Ahead Of Potential Contract Negotiations - ( New Window )
I like Nimmo but he needs to stay on the field. If he has a big year, we can make him a qualifying offer and no one is going outbid us for him if we want to keep him and he wants to stay.
agree. the only reason to extend was if it were a fair deal like Buxton signed. That's not why you switch to Boras ahead of a negotiation though.
That was Chavez. They considered him as Buck's bench coach, then settled on hitting coach.
Bobby Valentine remains on the Mets’ radar as a potential special assistant in the front office. The 71-year-old Valentine recently retired from Sacred Heart University, where he served as the athletic director for eight years. Valentine, who managed the Rangers, Mets and Red Sox, has been largely removed from MLB since 2012. Last year he lost in a bid to become mayor of his hometown, Stamford, Conn. It’s unclear, however, to what degree Valentine would want to be involved if he returns to baseball.
Valentine says a lot of BS but he said he personally recommended Buck to Peter Angelos when he got the Orioles job, he also said he's worked with Buck on TV.
Doubt the paycheck is all that significant. Both Al Leiter and John Franco are on the Mets payroll as advisors and at least in Leiter's case apparently had "nothing" to do with the 2021 team after ST broke.
Sandwiches have been around for what, centuries? Most people felt like we have seen what sandwiches have to offer.
Then comes the wrap (out of necessity due to a broken toaster if you believe the anecdote). Bravo, Bobby V. I support this hiring.
NOT BEING POLITICAL JUST FACTUAL... Christie suggested Valentine to Trump as a potential Ambassador to Japan.
also not political but he just ran a campaign for political office meaning bobby v is well credentialed as a figure head, especially in the thing he knows best (baseball).
Less goofball, more in-the-dirt straight-on baseball, is what's needed.
Less goofball, more in-the-dirt straight-on baseball, is what's needed.
Valentine (if he comes in) will be a special assistant in the FO. Again, Leiter/Franco have these titles now. They mean almost nothing.
guesses:
higher LTT close to player's ask ($230-$245m)
eliminate draft pick compensation/penalties tied to FA/LTT
14 team playoff / universal DH
no change to service time
MLB revenues have increased every year (source).
MLB player salaries in aggregate have not (source).
those are the "core economics" both sides are haggling over. The players feel entitled to more money because the owners are getting increased revenues and franchise valuations while the portion of the pie the players are receiving has bounced around.
from the second sourced article by Passan above:
The MLBPA's business is getting the players compensated and like every business they presumably want YoY growth if business good. My guess is their main goal is to get above 4.25bn and on track for consistent growth. The question is where they find that $200m+?
the simplest tool is raising the LTT. Only 2 teams exceeded it last year and 5 teams went right up to it without exceeding. It stands to reason the 5 teams would each spend more if it were higher and may even be eager to do so. The MLBPA proposed raising it to $245m which is $35m per team so if all 5 of those teams increased their spending that's an extra $175m right there (though that's an aggressive raise so all 5 might not spend all of it). The owners previous proposal went up to $214m so they are $34m apart. There's a good bet that gap narrows in this next proposal. I'd guess the owners offer is around $220m and eventually via negotiations they meet in the middle raising it to $225m-230m with set yoy increases.
There will be other stuff discussed that benefits one side or the other (additional playoff revenue for owners, DH which adds more well paid jobs for players, higher league minimum/benefits for minor leaguers) but the core is going to be the LTT imo. As much as small market owners may bitch I think they'd rather let big market owners spend more than be subject to a payroll floor (which would be the better/fairer solution). And as much as the players bitch about service time those changes would only impact a small subset of overage players.
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Breaking: The Mets will retire Keith Hernandez's No. 17 in a ceremony this July 9. A long overdue honor for a beloved Met.
Howie Rose
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The retirement of Keith Hernandez’s number 17 is one of the most joyous announcements in Mets franchise history. Long time coming, but just perfect in conjunction with the upcoming 60th anniversary season. Bravo to the soul of a championship team.
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@Metsmerized
“Keith Hernandez, “I’m thrilled…I was very emotional when Steve called to let me know about the number retirement. This is the highest honor an organization can bestow upon a player. I also want to thank Mets fans, who have treated me like family since I arrived in 1983.”
Never stopped the Ponzis from parading them out there for '86 mets merchandise and ticket sales.
Just the worst owners.