ND Safety, Kyle Hamilton. Would you consider him with the Giants 1st pick? Crazy, I know, but I might. Not just the numbers but watching him play. The numbers? 6'4", 220, 4.4. Quick twitch, reads O's like a pro, hits like a truck. I'd hate to be the QB who has to complete passes with him in the defensive backfield. With he and McKinney? LIGHTS OUT!
Is there such a thing as a shut down safety?
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I can't disagree. But then there's the thing about BPA. Frankly I'd be surprised if the first 5 picks aren't some combination of OL, DL/ER & DB in this particular draft.
And we should definitely keep drafting for need.
It has been a major benefit to our roster for the past decade.
Ok, @Mustanglover_, we get it. You can retreat to your cave now.
Agree 1000%
I’m surprised this question is even asked..
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If we're seeing better return on our investment on the defensive side of the ball, then why not invest your resources there?
Ok, @Mustanglover_, we get it. You can retreat to your cave now.
Surely you jest?
I'd probably take Ed Reed if he was there at 5 so I want to hear just how good he really is, or isn't.
I'm biased, I'm familiar with him and his family. Good folks. Kyle can handle NYC.
I'd probably take Ed Reed if he was there at 5 so I want to hear just how good he really is, or isn't.
If he's Ed Reed or Ronnie Lott then you consider picking him at #5 or trade out of the slot because somebody will pay a lot to get him.
We cannot walk out of this draft without a few high quality oline.
We must rebuild the oline. For those of you who want a new QB, maybe even drafting one this year or next, they have no chance and can be ruined or injured if we do not build an oline.
I like Toney, but the pick should have been an online and if we didn't like the value at that point we should have a traded down again.
For the record: it would be great if an OL was far and away the top graded player available when we pick. But if that isn't the case you go with the more talented player. People want to shout about need, well that's how you end up with the Ereck Flowers and Justin Pughs of the world.
With the pass rush we have, even they can't cover for 10 seconds
And this isn't exactly an argument for Hamilton per se but for building the roster in general. There's not a single exceptional player on this roster right now. Not a one. That absolutely has to change regardless of what the biggest need is.
Nobody is a can’t miss player. See: Saquon Barkley. You don’t take a safety this high in the draft unless the team is ready to win now. The Giants already have 2 good safeties.
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To fix the online but we have two first round picks. If he’s a true can’t miss difference maker you pick him.
Nobody is a can’t miss player. See: Saquon Barkley. You don’t take a safety this high in the draft unless the team is ready to win now. The Giants already have 2 good safeties.
There are plenty of can’t misses in history. Drafting Oline for the sake of it is how you end up with Ereck Flowers. I’m not advocating for Hamilton but it
Shouldn’t be dismissed.
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To fix the online but we have two first round picks. If he’s a true can’t miss difference maker you pick him.
Nobody is a can’t miss player. See: Saquon Barkley. You don’t take a safety this high in the draft unless the team is ready to win now. The Giants already have 2 good safeties.
There are plenty of can’t misses in history. Drafting Oline for the sake of it is how you end up with Ereck Flowers. I’m not advocating for Hamilton but it
Shouldn’t be dismissed.
Nobody is a can’t miss. They all have to go make themselves. Go look at the Ed Reed draft. HOF safety drafted in the late teens by the Ravens. Bryant McKinney was drafted high in the 1st round. I would rather the Giants have the pro bowl OT than the HOF safety because safety is the least important position in todays NFL defense and a HOF safety adds exactly zero wins to this team right now. Safety is a position that you add that puts you over the top. Not one that you build around anymore.
We gotta take the best players. Period.
We gotta take the best players. Period.
BPA does not always apply. Do you think if the BPA was a RB that they should take a RB? We all saw how that has worked out. BPA does not always apply especially when both lines are broken. You cannot be competing this league with a horrible OL, pass rush, and QB.
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I can’t believe some of us here are still saying things like just take OL or just take DL.
We gotta take the best players. Period.
BPA does not always apply. Do you think if the BPA was a RB that they should take a RB? We all saw how that has worked out. BPA does not always apply especially when both lines are broken. You cannot be competing this league with a horrible OL, pass rush, and QB.
Ok I’d rather have Ronnie Lott than Ereck Flowers. Your logic is horribly flawed.
We gotta take the best players. Period.
Especially since we’re no where close to competing.
A good GM and coach can make it work. I doubt Hamilton will be available with our pick anyway, I think he’s going to the Jets.
But if you have Kyle Hamilton as a top 4 player in the draft and Evan Neal as the 10th best player, you take Hamilton every time. And then with the other pick, take the best player again. If we go defense, defense with our first two picks, is anyone going to be mad? No. We need great talent on this team. If Hamilton and Stingley are considered superior talents, you take both of them.
This is the bottom line
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I can’t believe some of us here are still saying things like just take OL or just take DL.
We gotta take the best players. Period.
BPA does not always apply. Do you think if the BPA was a RB that they should take a RB? We all saw how that has worked out. BPA does not always apply especially when both lines are broken. You cannot be competing this league with a horrible OL, pass rush, and QB.
Ok I’d rather have Ronnie Lott than Ereck Flowers. Your logic is horribly flawed.
You’re not guaranteed Ronnie Lott at all. I’d rather whiff trying on an OL than I would whiff on a meaningless safety/slot corner. This team does not have the luxury of drafting a safety not after spending a 2nd round pick and investing money in another one. It’s a gross misuse of draft capital and a decision that a horrible GM like Dave Gettleman would do. You want the same trash results? That’s what it would be.
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This team needs talent
This is the bottom line
Wrong. Absolutely wrong. If a QB was the BPA do you think the Jags would take him? Nope. If KC somehow had the 1st pick and a QB was the BPA are they taking a QB? Nope. Just look at the Saquon Barkley pick. It’s evidence enough to use a combination of BPA and need at the same time.
The point is - if your team sucks - you need to draft the best football players.
If the Giants went to the SB twice in a row and lost each time because they didn’t have a pass rush then yeah, you might consider the edge rusher over another position.
The entire team besides the left tackle and the safety cannot be considered part of the long term plan. Draft the best fucking players and be done with it.
However, if he’s mid tier and you’ve got an all world athlete on defense sitting there for you, you take him instead.
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This team needs talent
This is the bottom line
Wrong. Absolutely wrong. If a QB was the BPA do you think the Jags would take him? Nope. If KC somehow had the 1st pick and a QB was the BPA are they taking a QB? Nope. Just look at the Saquon Barkley pick. It’s evidence enough to use a combination of BPA and need at the same time.
Then u trade down in those scenarios QB is different